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Jul 15 03:00:08 <fdsa> and "opkg install python-mini pyserial"?
Jul 15 03:00:13 <Bartman007> that should already be in opkg.conf if you are running 8.09.1 ...
Jul 15 03:00:58 <fdsa> ok, thanks
Jul 15 03:01:12 <fdsa> think the fon will have enough room for those packages?
Jul 15 03:01:18 <Bartman007> and if you aren't running 8.09.1, what are you running?
Jul 15 03:01:28 <fdsa> now im running ddwrt
Jul 15 03:01:54 <fdsa> but im planning on installing 8.09.1 over tftp
Jul 15 03:02:03 <Bartman007> ah.
Jul 15 03:02:05 <fdsa> or redboot serial
Jul 15 03:02:19 <fdsa> is that the only way to go when going from ddwrt?
Jul 15 03:02:29 <fdsa> i dont know of another way
Jul 15 03:03:04 <Bartman007> redboot should be used
Jul 15 03:04:04 <Bartman007> the serial port on a fonera is used a console, you would have to compile your own build to prevent the firmware to use the serial port for that purpose. and if this is a fonera 2100, they have a nasty issue where the device doesn't boot if the tx pin is connected, hangs while the bootloader is initializing.
Jul 15 03:04:44 <fdsa> yes, i read about that
Jul 15 03:04:53 <fdsa> well damn...
Jul 15 03:05:04 <fdsa> i guess im going to have to lean a little more
Jul 15 03:05:29 <fdsa> what do u recommend for a windows based openwrt build setup?
Jul 15 03:05:40 <fdsa> virtual ubuntu installation?
Jul 15 03:06:02 <fdsa> i guess i could do a full one
Jul 15 03:06:37 <Bartman007> won't work on windows, you will have to build in a virtual machine or linux box.
Jul 15 03:09:19 <fdsa> any idea how to disable the serial port as the console?
Jul 15 03:09:49 <fdsa> how do you access it then?  ssh?
Jul 15 03:10:51 <Bartman007> yes. ssh would be your only method of accessing it. which is why we don't recommend doing it. remember that you'll also have an issue w/ that specific device booting when serial is connected.
Jul 15 03:10:56 <fdsa> ouch, now that i think about it, its going to be nasty if the router wont boot with TX connected
Jul 15 03:11:09 <fdsa> that means im screwed on power outages
Jul 15 03:11:39 <fdsa> yep
Jul 15 03:11:52 <fdsa> i also have a wrt54gl
Jul 15 03:12:07 <fdsa> thinking about getting an asus also
Jul 15 03:12:21 <fdsa> but fonera was appealing $$$-wise
Jul 15 03:12:28 <fdsa> and i already have it
Jul 15 03:12:37 <fdsa> i think the 54gl has 2 ports
Jul 15 03:12:47 <fdsa> maybe i could use the second one
Jul 15 03:14:41 <Bartman007> yes, but I doubt python will fit.
Jul 15 03:15:46 <fdsa> what do you recommend?
Jul 15 03:16:09 <fdsa> i need a openwrt router with enough flash not to be a problem
Jul 15 03:16:14 <fdsa> and a serial port
Jul 15 03:16:19 <fdsa> i was thinking WL-520gU
Jul 15 03:17:36 <Bartman007> that have 4MB of flash, same as the wrt54gl, and only a single serial port, but usb could be used for a flash drive and a second serial port.
Jul 15 03:18:09 <Bartman007> the fonera 2 is fairly cheap, has 8MB of flash, and a usb port.
Jul 15 03:19:30 <fdsa> this might be a stupid question, but can you plug a hub into the usb ports and use multiple devices on the routers with usb?
Jul 15 03:19:44 <Bartman007> yes
Jul 15 03:33:59 <mankash> hi Bartman
Jul 15 05:21:28 <russell_> fairly cheap as in 50 euros?
Jul 15 05:25:38 <russell_> oh.  heh.  "The Fonera 2.0n will be available for sale online and at select retailers in October for just $99."
Jul 15 09:26:54 <CIA-29> markus * r16849 /packages/net/openvpn/ (Makefile files/openvpn.config):
Jul 15 09:26:54 <CIA-29> change config to use absolute paths based on /etc/openvpn
Jul 15 09:26:54 <CIA-29> patch by Jerry Askew via OpenWrt-devel
Jul 15 09:57:38 <CIA-29> florian * r16850 /packages/admin/sudo/ (Makefile patches/101-install_no_strip.patch): [package] update sudo to 1.7.2 (#5514)
Jul 15 10:00:23 <CIA-29> florian * r16851 /packages/net/sslh/files/ (sslh.config sslh.init): [package] fix sslh init and config files (#5517)
Jul 15 10:05:30 <danage> xMff: good morning and ping
Jul 15 10:54:15 <neomilium> Hi, I have some strange problem: i have wrote a Makefile for a library which depends on libpthread. all goes fine, but when I install package using "opkg install" all depends are downloaded and installed but libpthread doesn't... I had to "opkg install libpthread" manually to be able to sue my library
Jul 15 10:55:09 <[florian]> hey, please check that you actually have libpthread listed in Depends in the control file of your ipkg
Jul 15 11:00:07 <neomilium> [florian]: in fact, libpthread is not listed in Depends section but others are.
Jul 15 11:00:36 <neomilium> what's going wrong ?
Jul 15 11:00:37 <[florian]> my guess is that you made a typo ;)
Jul 15 11:04:54 <neomilium> I think i have foung my fault :
Jul 15 11:05:03 <neomilium> s/foung/found/
Jul 15 11:05:27 <neomilium> in "define Package/pcsc-lite/Default"
Jul 15 11:05:39 <neomilium> i had "DEPENDS:=+libpthread"
Jul 15 11:05:53 <neomilium> in "define Package/libpcsclite"
Jul 15 11:06:09 <neomilium> i "$(call Package/pcsc-lite/Default)"
Jul 15 11:06:25 <neomilium> but have "DEPENDS:=+libusb"
Jul 15 11:07:00 <neomilium> and I think that override the first, isn't it [florian] ?
Jul 15 11:15:28 <xMff> danage: pong
Jul 15 11:15:40 <danage> hi thanks xMff
Jul 15 11:16:10 <danage> phaidros and i are planning to migrate stuff from oldwiki namespace to nuwiki articles, but i lack permissions to do so
Jul 15 11:16:45 <danage> we have determined that the documentation structure is at a level where it's sufficiently settled in order to allow for runtime improvements to the structure
Jul 15 11:17:16 <danage> (did that make sense) in other words we want to put it online, and make further improvements to the structure during runtime, much like the general wiki concept
Jul 15 11:17:48 <xMff> ok
Jul 15 11:18:04 <danage> i need to be able to move pages and use redirection so as to preserve existing links
Jul 15 11:18:12 <danage> can you do that for me?
Jul 15 11:18:43 <[florian]> neomilium: :=+ does not work
Jul 15 11:18:55 <[florian]> neomilium: either you override it with += or you define it with :=
Jul 15 11:19:32 <xMff> danage: you can't move pages as moderator?
Jul 15 11:19:45 <neomilium> [florian]: that's strange, many package prefix their depencies with "+"
Jul 15 11:20:11 <danage> xMff: nope.
Jul 15 11:20:15 <neomilium> that's not :=+ but := and +libstuff
Jul 15 11:20:27 <[florian]> oh right sorry about that
Jul 15 11:20:59 <[florian]> I do not quite understand what you want, does your program depend on both libusb and libpthread ?
Jul 15 11:21:25 <neomilium> [florian]: but you 're right on this point : using := override first value
Jul 15 11:22:38 <neomilium> [florian]: yes, it's a Makefile that produce more than one package and all need pthreads, but only one need libusb.
Jul 15 11:22:46 <xMff> danage: you're admin now ;)
Jul 15 11:23:23 <neomilium> [florian]: that's fine, that's seems to work now. ^^ Thanks [florian]
Jul 15 11:23:28 <[florian]> neomilium: ok, then yes, then use DEPENDS:= +libpthread in your Default macro, then override it with DEPENDS += +libusb ;)
Jul 15 11:23:36 <[florian]> neomilium: yw
Jul 15 11:23:49 <danage> xMff: thanks. do you think it would make sense allowing mods to move/redirect as well?
Jul 15 11:24:40 <xMff> danage: yes but I don't have time to look into it, phaidros did some research and there were problems iirc
Jul 15 11:25:10 <danage> xMff: ok sure no problem just asking :)
Jul 15 12:35:45 <danage> xMff: i am having problems setting up a redirector. it's my lack of understanding of the system. is there a redirector setup page for EVERY wiki page or is there ONE redirector setup for everything?
Jul 15 12:38:11 <xMff> all in one list
Jul 15 12:38:28 <xMff> oldpage<tab>newpage<nl>
Jul 15 12:38:40 <danage> tab doesn't work in the browser
Jul 15 12:38:45 <xMff> or space
Jul 15 12:38:47 <xMff> whatever
Jul 15 12:39:42 <danage> xMff: workie, thanks
Jul 15 12:40:08 <xMff> np
Jul 15 12:40:42 <danage> phaidros, xMff: when migrating, should i DELETE the old pages and just create redirectors after migration, OR should the pages be left intact, with only redirectors "skipping" them?
Jul 15 12:41:26 <xMff> I think old stuff should be kept intact
Jul 15 12:42:52 <danage> okeydokey
Jul 15 14:42:58 <fofware> I have some issues in my buildroot with x86-2.6 http://openwrt.pastebin.com/d71769398 any one can tell me how solve it or any one have the same issue?
Jul 15 14:43:28 <xMff> grep -i strip .config
Jul 15 14:43:42 <[florian]> make menuconfig -> save, make
Jul 15 14:43:52 <xMff> or that :P
Jul 15 14:44:43 <[florian]> this will make STRIP be defined again after the possibility to choose between the different strip methods
Jul 15 14:45:49 <fofware> thanks <xMff> and <[florian]>
Jul 15 14:45:52 <[florian]> yw
Jul 15 14:49:52 <fofware> fabian@shila:~/pba/trunk/x86-2.6$ grep -i strip .config
Jul 15 14:49:53 <fofware> # CONFIG_NO_STRIP is not set
Jul 15 14:49:57 <fofware> <[florian]> with make menuconfig, save, make the same result
Jul 15 14:50:26 <fofware> and with grep I guet this answer
Jul 15 14:52:05 <fofware> previusly I did make oldconfig, make clean, make distclean and after each one I get the same result, only I did not do was download all again
Jul 15 14:52:17 <fofware> maybe is my solution
Jul 15 14:56:07 <fofware> ok, I will download all and try, like info This issue start after I did try to build all packages by default
Jul 15 14:58:04 <[florian]> do not rebuild everything ;)
Jul 15 14:58:27 <[florian]> adding the missing configuration symbol in your .config should be enough if make menuconfig did not do it for you already
Jul 15 14:59:58 <fofware> jejej, for now I'm only trying to build default configuration
Jul 15 15:01:45 <fofware> florian: what symbol is missing? sorry it's so stupid my question but I have not idea
Jul 15 15:03:05 <[florian]> this is what I have here:
Jul 15 15:03:05 <[florian]> # CONFIG_NO_STRIP is not set
Jul 15 15:03:05 <[florian]> # CONFIG_USE_STRIP is not set
Jul 15 15:03:06 <[florian]> CONFIG_USE_SSTRIP=y
Jul 15 15:03:32 <fofware> ok thanks very much
Jul 15 15:03:37 <[florian]> yw
Jul 15 15:20:31 <fofware> <[florian]> thanks, now look like it's working, I did waste 10 days trying that
Jul 15 15:23:52 <[florian]> hu
Jul 15 15:23:56 <[florian]> ask instead ;)
Jul 15 16:20:13 <fofware> <[florian]>only to let you know.... each time that I use make menuconfig for x-86 CONFIG_USE_STRIP is removed I will check that for other platform
Jul 15 16:26:19 <fofware> maybe is a good idea if i open a ticket? about that
Jul 15 16:26:54 <fofware> or can be local issue in my buildroot?
Jul 15 16:31:13 <CIA-29> markus * r16852 /packages/utils/usb-modeswitch/Makefile: new upstream release
Jul 15 16:33:02 <CIA-29> markus * r16853 /trunk/package/iptables/Makefile: upgrade to new upstream version 1.4.4
Jul 15 16:36:24 <[florian]> fofware: that's a local issue, I switch between builds many times a day
Jul 15 16:38:43 <fofware> <[florian]>Ok, I will try to find why, maybe some i do wrong, because with brcm-2.4 and brcm-2.6 that not happend
Jul 15 16:39:51 <[florian]> fofware: you should use the ./scripts/env tool to switch between targets easily without messing up your config
Jul 15 16:42:07 <fofware> <[florian]> thaks, some help about it or only read script to learn how use it?
Jul 15 16:44:56 <[florian]> oh it's pretty easy to use, e.g:
Jul 15 16:45:04 <[florian]> ./scripts/env new brcm-2.4
Jul 15 16:45:06 <[florian]> make menuconfig
Jul 15 16:45:08 <[florian]> do your stuff
Jul 15 16:45:15 <[florian]> ./scripts/env save
Jul 15 16:45:20 <[florian]> ./scripts/env new brcm47xx for instance
Jul 15 16:45:23 <[florian]> make menuconfig again
Jul 15 16:45:34 <[florian]> ./scripts/env switch brcm-2.4 to get back to brcm-2.4 for instance
Jul 15 16:46:19 <fofware> oh! yea it's pretty
Jul 15 16:47:29 <fofware> I will try and with this tool I can save space too
Jul 15 16:48:04 <[florian]> avoids working in multiple trunk copies
Jul 15 16:48:30 <fofware> yes, that It's great!
Jul 15 16:53:21 <fofware> <[florian]>dl directory can be the same for all version, e.g: trunk, 8.09.1 8.09... etc
Jul 15 17:28:48 <fofware> <[florian]> thanks ./scipts/env it's grate!!!! I will write a new buildbot now
Jul 15 17:38:55 <johnrw> has MateIn4 been around lately?
Jul 15 20:45:45 <CIA-29> jow * r16854 /branches/8.09/scripts/ipkg: Merge r16390 (debian tar.gz fix) to 8.09
Jul 15 22:54:46 <fofware> <[florian]> why if I call ./scripts/env list form a script it give me list of env mixed with ls result
Jul 16 02:53:11 <fofware> one question about buildroot, is possible change directory /bin for customized one?
Jul 16 02:56:53 <fofware> [florian]: ping
Jul 16 02:57:56 <fofware> xMff: ping
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