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Jun 03 03:33:53 <builder_> build #31 of ep93xx is complete: Failure [failed shell_4 compile_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ep93xx/builds/31
Jun 03 03:43:17 <builder_> build #36 of ixp4xx is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ixp4xx/builds/36
Jun 03 04:34:55 <builder_> build #47 of at91 is complete: Failure [failed shell_4 compile_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/at91/builds/47
Jun 03 04:53:45 <builder_> build #36 of xburst is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/xburst/builds/36
Jun 03 04:58:41 <builder_> build #46 of ubicom32 is complete: Failure [failed compile_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ubicom32/builds/46
Jun 03 06:38:42 <acoul> ping gzanan
Jun 03 07:39:47 <acoul> ping nbd
Jun 03 13:10:01 <^Willie^> wb xMff ;)
Jun 03 13:13:36 <CIA-89> jow * r27097 /packages/utils/gnuplot/Makefile: [packages] gnuplot: explicitely disable wxwidgets (#9478)
Jun 03 13:15:15 <CIA-89> jow * r27098 /packages/multimedia/mocp/Makefile:
Jun 03 13:15:15 <CIA-89> [packages] mocp (#9419)
Jun 03 13:15:15 <CIA-89> - make libmad depend on PATENTED flag
Jun 03 13:15:15 <CIA-89> - use wide ncurses for proper utf-8 handling
Jun 03 13:15:15 <CIA-89> - add missing deps
Jun 03 13:15:15 <CIA-89> - remove extraneous deps
Jun 03 13:22:49 <mazilo> If anyone wants to port Skype to OpenWRT, here (http://skype-open-source.blogspot.com/2011/06/skype-protocol-reverse-engineered.html) is your chance. ;)
Jun 03 13:25:08 <blogic> mazilo: owrt tries to be legal ;)
Jun 03 13:27:38 <Syburg> is it illegal to create your own implementation of a protocol?
Jun 03 13:30:15 <blogic> Syburg: are you 100% that the reverse engineering qualifies as 100% white room and hence is legal in all countries ?
Jun 03 13:30:35 <blogic> Syburg: in general i agree, but not ensuring the facts is not cool
Jun 03 13:30:43 <blogic> also that is the clienbt and the protocol
Jun 03 13:30:49 <blogic> whats the eula of skype say ?
Jun 03 13:30:56 <blogic> may you connect with ho,mebrew clients
Jun 03 13:30:57 <blogic> etc etc etc
Jun 03 13:31:14 <blogic> so, once you checked up we can have a chat about core principles of should we and not
Jun 03 13:31:50 <blogic> also asking a developer of a foss distro a silly question that implies that i might a problem with foss implementations of protocols is plain silly
Jun 03 13:31:56 <blogic> so think about that one ;)
Jun 03 13:32:04 <blogic> its not baout implementing a protocol
Jun 03 13:32:05 <blogic> ;)
Jun 03 13:32:13 <Syburg> blogic: i was just asking, because i really doesn't know. but i guess skype holds patents on their protocols.
Jun 03 13:32:13 <blogic> its a universe involved aswell
Jun 03 13:32:25 <blogic> not on the codec for example
Jun 03 13:32:27 <blogic> that is open
Jun 03 13:32:42 <blogic> anyhow, this channel is here for other purposes ;)
Jun 03 13:34:20 <Syburg> blogic: of couse, excuse my off-topic question ;)
Jun 03 13:34:32 <blogic> hehe
Jun 03 13:34:33 <blogic> ;)
Jun 03 13:34:43 <blogic> well, the question is ok, feel free
Jun 03 13:34:55 <blogic> just one should be aware of potential implications
Jun 03 13:35:18 <blogic> imagine someone now sat down, coded a tool and posted on hackaday.com a story "owrt uses revenged skype"
Jun 03 13:35:22 <blogic> how would that look ?
Jun 03 13:35:26 <blogic> hence the warning
Jun 03 13:36:00 <blogic> i am al for free/open code
Jun 03 13:36:06 <blogic> but the otherside may not be
Jun 03 13:36:07 <blogic> ;)
Jun 03 13:40:04 <jow_laptop> hm, those screws with a star pattern and a little stick in the middle... is that "security torx" ?
Jun 03 13:41:10 <Hauke> jow_laptop: wikipedia will help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx#Variants ;-)
Jun 03 13:42:02 <jow_laptop> hm ok
Jun 03 13:42:08 <jow_laptop> looks like it is
Jun 03 13:42:43 <jow_laptop> will need to finally buy a better screwdriver set
Jun 03 13:53:19 <fullstop> jow_laptop: In the states, you can get those from most hardware stores.  I don't know why they think it is more secure than any other torx bit.
Jun 03 13:54:42 <fullstop> I have cable  internet, but no television.  However, to prevent me from using the TV portion they put a filter on the line on the little box attached to my house, which is secured by one of those security bits.  I could open it for $8 USD and give myself TV, and they can not detect this remotely.
Jun 03 13:54:47 <fullstop> However, I  have morals.  :)
Jun 03 13:55:42 <jow_laptop> fullstop: I suppose "secure" in the sense that it stops casual tinkerers (like me)
Jun 03 13:57:04 <fullstop> jow_laptop: This is true.  However, pretty soon most people will have security torx screwdrivers and they must introduce a new bit.  :)
Jun 03 13:58:01 <EqUaTe> i'd say most people already have them these days
Jun 03 13:58:03 <jow_laptop> heh, and for the price of the appropriate tool I can just buy a replacement unit :P
Jun 03 13:58:21 <EqUaTe> jow_laptop: a set of torx bits can be had for $2-3 usually.
Jun 03 14:00:52 <fullstop> EqUaTe: jow is in Germany.. so the torx bits will be 20 euros, but they will have exceptional quality and last forever.
Jun 03 14:01:03 <EqUaTe> heh
Jun 03 14:01:09 <EqUaTe> i'm in the UK.
Jun 03 14:02:08 <fullstop> I've never been there.  The closest that I've come would be Ireland.
Jun 03 14:02:23 <fullstop> and that was 20 years ago.
Jun 03 14:05:02 <jow_laptop> 2.40 Eur
Jun 03 14:05:14 <jow_laptop> if I buy it at a local store here
Jun 03 14:27:48 <builder_> build #37 of ar71xx is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ar71xx/builds/37
Jun 03 14:43:37 <fullstop> jow_laptop: stop destroying my preconceived notions of Germany.  ;-)
Jun 03 14:44:27 <jow_laptop> :P
Jun 03 14:44:40 <jow_laptop> I ordered it online now, for 1.90 eur per bit
Jun 03 14:55:39 <FinboySlick> Any uboot pros here familiar with the DIR-825 or similar ar71xx boards?
Jun 03 15:10:22 <^Willie^> fullstop: ehm a regulair phillips repair screw driver set include a few default sized torx bits for a pretty long time as default by now ;)
Jun 03 15:11:55 <fullstop> ^Willie^: with the hole in the middle or straight-up torx?
Jun 03 15:12:03 <EqUaTe> 'lo FinboySlick
Jun 03 15:12:17 <FinboySlick> EqUaTe: Yo :)
Jun 03 15:16:29 <netprince> build seems to fail on ping6.c: http://pastebin.com/rAegE0QZ
Jun 03 15:17:04 <^Willie^> fullstop: hmm i got this anno 1995 philips standart repair set -> http://www.electronicsnmore.com/product_info.php/products_id/10435
Jun 03 15:17:42 <^Willie^> straight up not with a hole but they do also have extra kits for others can look those up if you like
Jun 03 15:19:39 <fullstop> ^Willie^: In the US, I can get them dirt cheap at Harbor Freight.
Jun 03 15:20:13 <^Willie^> ahh even default bit size so no need for there screw driver ether -> http://www.velleman.eu/distributor/products/view/?id=398920
Jun 03 15:20:23 <^Willie^> 11 torx with a hole in them
Jun 03 15:20:27 <fullstop> ^Willie^: http://www.harborfreight.com/100-piece-security-bit-set-91310.html
Jun 03 15:21:43 <^Willie^> hmm wtf for 8$ ?
Jun 03 15:21:57 <fullstop> Harbor Freight is very inexpensive.
Jun 03 15:21:58 <^Willie^> then you buy direct 2 kits and won't care about breaking a bit ;)
Jun 03 15:22:02 <jow_laptop> I needed this one: http://www.reichelt.de/Bits/WIHA-7015-ZTR15/index.html?;ACTION=3;LA=444;GROUP=D314;GROUPID=564;ARTICLE=22777;START=0;SORT=artnr;OFFSET=16;SID=40TTtvCn8AAAIAAGtzVlQc1e6a9fa3082b181174b3cafe040064c
Jun 03 15:23:03 <^Willie^> fullstop: but those bits are from good metal not those crappy 2 time use bits made out of brass ?
Jun 03 15:23:20 <_trine> you can use an ordinary torx if you use a small screw driver to brak of the middle point inside the screw
Jun 03 15:23:30 <_trine> brake*
Jun 03 15:23:45 <_trine> off*
Jun 03 15:24:12 <^Willie^> or visit the tools store :)
Jun 03 15:24:19 <^Willie^> but they are not cheep
Jun 03 15:24:19 <jow_laptop> _trine: problem is I have no ordinary torx either
Jun 03 15:24:32 <jow_laptop> _trine: so I can get the correct bits right away
Jun 03 15:24:41 <_trine> well in that case just buy the correct tool
Jun 03 15:24:53 <^Willie^> jup nothing special about those torx bits
Jun 03 15:26:00 <_trine> all these different types of screws are made by a mad professor who is on planet earth to annoy us all
Jun 03 15:26:01 <^Willie^> in case some store guy try to tell you some hoax ;) like my local radio shack :( pin headers 2.0 and 2.54 mm raster size where not made anymore.. *lolz*
Jun 03 15:26:01 <fullstop> ^Willie^: Says that they are made from chrome vanadium.
Jun 03 15:26:57 <^Willie^> fullstop: hmm for a bit set i'm ok with chrome vanadium but for a wrench i avoid "chrome vanadium"
Jun 03 15:26:57 <jow_laptop> anybody has experience with buffalo tech support?
Jun 03 15:28:05 <fullstop> jow_laptop: Nope, but I have a lot of WZR-HP-G300NH's here.
Jun 03 15:28:24 <fullstop> What are you trying to determine?
Jun 03 15:28:26 <jow_laptop> I lost the psu fpr my wzr a while ago
Jun 03 15:28:34 <jow_laptop> now I asked them about a replacement
Jun 03 15:28:47 <jow_laptop> if they cannot provide one I'll open it up and solder another connector
Jun 03 15:29:01 <jow_laptop> it = the wzr
Jun 03 15:29:07 <fullstop> I believe we purchase them from an online vendor (the power supply)..
Jun 03 15:29:17 <jow_laptop> oh, do you have a link?
Jun 03 15:29:34 <fullstop> jow_laptop: let me look.
Jun 03 15:33:40 <_trine> jow_laptop, why dont you just cut the last part of the wire from the broken power supply and splice it onto another working power supply
Jun 03 15:34:33 <jow_laptop> _trine: its not broken, its missing :)
Jun 03 15:34:39 <jow_laptop> somewhere in spain
Jun 03 15:34:51 <_trine> ah
Jun 03 15:34:57 <jow_laptop> had it with me on a convention and eventually lost it
Jun 03 15:35:15 <jow_laptop> and the connector is unusual
Jun 03 15:35:27 <jow_laptop> I have a whole array of old psus with matching specs here
Jun 03 15:35:27 <_trine> I see
Jun 03 15:35:34 <jow_laptop> but not one with a suitable connector
Jun 03 15:36:55 <fullstop> jow_laptop: I don't have the exact supplier handy.. but the model # is WA-18G12U
Jun 03 15:36:56 <fullstop> http://www.google.com/search?q=WA-18g12u&tbm=shop&hl=en&aq=f
Jun 03 15:37:24 <fullstop> I would try to find a photo of the connector on the end before buying though.
Jun 03 15:37:50 <jow_laptop> no its not the right connector
Jun 03 15:37:59 <_trine> I'm enjoying a very nice bottle of merlot rose in the sunshine here
Jun 03 15:38:15 * jow_laptop enjoyed far too much bottles yesterday
Jun 03 15:38:52 <_trine> ./e noticed jow_laptop was missing yesterday :)
Jun 03 15:38:56 <jow_laptop> fullstop: hm or maybe it is
Jun 03 15:41:30 <Syburg> jow_laptop: you enjoyed "vatertag"?
Jun 03 15:41:54 <fullstop> jow_laptop: Here is another.. but I can't see down the connector hole: http://www.centrix-intl.com/showpix.asp?pixsource=wa-18g12u.jpg&pixselect=wa-18g12u-2.jpg&pixid=9761
Jun 03 15:43:56 <fullstop> Cylindrical Female, Center Positive Polarity...
Jun 03 15:47:55 <jow_laptop> Syburg: yeah
Jun 03 15:48:57 <jow_laptop> fullstop: here's an image of the connector: http://luci.subsignal.org/~jow/connector.jpg
Jun 03 15:50:40 <fullstop> jow_laptop: Yes, that looks the same as the one at my desk right now.
Jun 03 15:52:12 <jow_laptop> has the original psu male plug a pin in the middle?
Jun 03 15:52:22 <fullstop> jow_laptop: let me check something.. there are two styles of PS for the WZR.  The newer one is the WA-18G12U by Asian Power Devices.  Let me see what the old one is.
Jun 03 15:52:28 <fullstop> Yes, there is a male center pin.
Jun 03 15:52:40 <jow_laptop> must be pretty thin then
Jun 03 15:52:55 <jow_laptop> a bit like the newer thinkpad plugs
Jun 03 15:53:19 <fullstop> The outside of the connector is metal, and the inside is just the one thin pin.
Jun 03 15:53:30 <fullstop> besides the pin, the rest is insulated.
Jun 03 15:54:23 <jow_laptop> I see
Jun 03 15:57:57 <fullstop> okay, I have the older one now...
Jun 03 15:58:10 <fullstop> UU324-1215 is the model #
Jun 03 16:02:10 <fullstop> http://www.a-nett.info/product/number/uu324.html
Jun 03 16:02:13 <fullstop> has the specs
Jun 03 16:17:47 <jow_laptop> fullstop: thank you
Jun 03 16:29:51 <jow_laptop> I suppose I need the UUE324 then (EU variant)
Jun 03 16:34:46 <jow_laptop> fullstop: do you know whether one can order there?
Jun 03 16:36:05 <fullstop> jow_laptop: I do not.  Sorry.
Jun 03 16:36:11 <jow_laptop> kk
Jun 03 16:39:03 <fullstop> jow_laptop: looks like there is a shop, but I don't see that adapter in it.  http://www.a-nett.info/shop/0.html
Jun 03 16:39:11 <jow_laptop> yep
Jun 03 16:56:23 <KanjiMonster> jow_laptop: assuming ~324 is what you need, what about http://www.a-nett.info/shop/8_79.html ? (although not cheap - ~21 euros without s&h)
Jun 03 16:57:08 <xMff> KanjiMonster: the connector looks wrong
Jun 03 16:58:12 <KanjiMonster> ah okay
Jun 03 16:58:39 <jow_laptop> I basically need an UUE324-1220
Jun 03 16:58:46 <jow_laptop> but it can be ordered nowhere
Jun 03 16:59:32 <jow_laptop> I'll await what the buffalo support says before I consider resoldering
Jun 03 17:00:34 <fullstop> jow_laptop: If you can't find one anywhere, I can look into shipping you one from here.  I believe that we have a few spares.
Jun 03 17:00:49 <fullstop> I'm not sure how unreasonable it is to send from the USA.
Jun 03 17:03:01 <jow_laptop> I could imagine that there will be problems with customs
Jun 03 17:06:32 <KanjiMonster> jow_laptop: they also have "dc plug adapter cables" http://www.a-nett.info/shop/13.html
Jun 03 17:07:39 <jow_laptop> hmm
Jun 03 17:07:48 <jow_laptop> the E4 one looks suitable
Jun 03 17:10:19 <fullstop> and wouldn't it be nice if the other end of that adapter cable plugs into a 12v, 1.5A adapter you already have?
Jun 03 17:10:47 <jow_laptop> well as trine said I could just splice it
Jun 03 17:10:56 <jow_laptop> as long as the connector fits
Jun 03 17:11:11 <fullstop> true
Jun 03 17:11:29 <fullstop> How much is a WZR in de?
Jun 03 17:12:04 <jow_laptop> ~50-60 Eur
Jun 03 17:12:38 <netprince> jow_laptop: does this look like an include is missing? http://pastebin.com/rAegE0QZ
Jun 03 17:13:04 <jow_laptop> netprince: maybe
Jun 03 17:17:04 <fullstop> netprince: figure out where in6_pktinfo is defined and make sure you are including that.
Jun 03 17:18:14 <fullstop> jow_laptop: the US price is similar.
Jun 03 17:20:48 <jow_laptop> I'll see, if the buffalo support does not offer a resonably priced replacement I'll probably just buy a second unit and attempt to solder this one
Jun 03 17:21:58 <fullstop> You left the PS in Spain?
Jun 03 17:22:04 <jow_laptop> yes
Jun 03 17:22:11 <fullstop> Too much beer?
Jun 03 17:22:18 <jow_laptop> to little time ;)
Jun 03 17:22:27 <jow_laptop> and too much whiskey, yeah
Jun 03 17:25:21 <fullstop> Was that the from the "wireless battle mesh" ?
Jun 03 17:25:25 <jow_laptop> yes
Jun 03 17:26:03 <fullstop> which routing protocol won, btw?
Jun 03 17:27:15 <jow_laptop> actually I'm not quite sure, there was many talks this year and very little experimenting
Jun 03 17:27:22 <fullstop> :-/
Jun 03 17:27:26 <jow_laptop> they released the test data somewhere
Jun 03 17:30:07 <tripolar> nice product, someone bought it and the site also provides sources, but it only has 2mb flash ...
Jun 03 17:30:09 <tripolar> http://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=145_TEW-637AP&cat=66
Jun 03 17:30:20 <tripolar> so it isnt that nice ;)
Jun 03 17:58:58 <fullstop> tripolar: if it had usb, it would be quite nice.
Jun 03 18:11:29 <tripolar> fullstop yeah but it has none and only one ethernet card ...
Jun 03 18:27:14 <CIA-89> nbd * r27099 /packages/multimedia/ftpd-topfield/Makefile: ftpd-topfield: add missing dependency on libusb
Jun 03 19:21:42 <FinboySlick> fullstop: "Cylindrical Female, Center Positive Polarity" sounds a bit like my ex.
Jun 03 19:24:10 <fullstop> fat & happy?
Jun 03 20:02:43 <builder_> build #45 of atheros is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/atheros/builds/45
Jun 03 20:09:07 <builder_> build #46 of brcm47xx is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/brcm47xx/builds/46
Jun 03 20:29:22 <builder_> build #43 of ps3 is complete: Failure [failed shell_4 compile_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ps3/builds/43
Jun 03 22:35:27 <builder_> build #35 of kirkwood is complete: Failure [failed shell_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/kirkwood/builds/35
Jun 03 23:11:24 <builder_> build #43 of pxcab is complete: Failure [failed shell_4 compile_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/pxcab/builds/43
Jun 04 02:21:32 <gzanan> When compiling K3.0 image for ar71xx,I meet a 'HC_LENGTH' undeclared  error.
Jun 04 02:21:43 <gzanan> http://pastebin.com/b1QnqeZj
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