**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:57 2011 Aug 24 11:46:49 jogo * r28080 /trunk/target/linux/generic/config-3.1: kernel: add two missing config symbols for 3.1 Aug 24 13:50:53 WillieNL: We have a relationship with a board house, so placing the parts is not an issue. I was not able to find many SoC in stock at digikey, but had a little more luck with Arrow. Aug 24 13:51:04 I'll look at bifferboard and farnell, though. Aug 24 14:21:35 Has anyone here tried to compile rrdtool package using gcc-4.6.1 with a Linaro enhancement? I tried and it spitted out this error message (http://pastebin.com/CGWpPpRR). Any idea how to fix this? Aug 24 14:22:58 mazilo: not part of the toolchain compiler thats missing ? Aug 24 14:23:25 WillieNL: Which part is missing? Aug 24 14:24:39 mazilo: can't say that since i have tested gcc 4.6.1 3 or 4 timea and managed to make it build with a lot errors in the end . Aug 24 14:26:12 also had issues like that and "guess" i solved that by adding std in the toolchain.. (moment will fireup menuconfig and look for the exact toolchain parts i added) Aug 24 14:26:32 and wonder why gcc 4.6.1 if 4.5 is not managed completely. Aug 24 14:27:13 google for gcc "-r" results in anything but -R :) Aug 24 14:27:45 WillieNL: Oh well, I will just have to skip the rrdtool package. Thanks. Aug 24 14:27:45 enable -> build/install c++ cpmpiler and libstdc++ Aug 24 14:28:03 thats not fixing a toolchain problem mazilo :( Aug 24 14:28:13 WillieNL: Exactly. Aug 24 14:28:15 my gcc 4.4.6 builds are stable and working.. Aug 24 14:28:24 like gentoo is still doing today in stage3 nightlybuilds Aug 24 14:28:51 and yes i do not follow the openwrt tree defaults here but fix my problems this way.. Aug 24 14:29:17 for me no reason to try gcc 4.6.1 :) Aug 24 14:29:52 brb quick lunch at 16:26 :S Aug 24 14:31:19 mazilo: Encoding rpath in applications -> www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/rpath.html Aug 24 14:31:32 WillieNL: Thanks. Aug 24 14:31:44 it is part of the ld flags by a quick 5 sec reading. Aug 24 17:12:08 fullstop: sounds like you have a cool plan. but not easy at all when have to deal with many specsheets and make a bug free functional design out of it :) Aug 24 17:19:36 WillieNL: Well, that's part of the fun now, isn't it? Aug 24 17:19:58 fullstop: hmm must agree with that yes ;-) Aug 24 17:21:44 fullstop: in the past i have been asking around and looking for such options to get some kind of embedded platform with non realtek ethernet with the idea they can add a intel or nat semi phy for the end product price on the board instaid of the realtek chip.. but i do not have the skills to do all that without someone to talk about how do you think about this or that on that job :) Aug 24 17:22:56 never done a full product before and with fm radio as hobby background on electrics there is a lot i just dunno jet or not have done before :p Aug 24 17:25:43 atm do think about diy build ftdi 232 stamps.. if i can find a part supply for the prices from ftdi 2 years ago :) Aug 24 17:25:53 yers Aug 24 17:26:16 ola Chocks Aug 24 17:31:11 Hi, if somebody is interested in testing Linux-3.0 support for ar71xx: Aug 24 17:31:16 http://home.galileo.edu/~solca/openwrt/openwrt_ar71xx-3.0.patch Aug 24 17:37:16 solca: can you post it to openwrt-devel, so that the ar71xx maintainer sees it? Aug 24 17:39:11 loswillios: will do, thx Aug 24 17:46:58 WillieNL: In general, it is hard to find the parts you need. Nobody wants to give a price because they want to deal in large volumes Aug 24 17:47:32 The closest I found was ADM mips. Aug 24 17:48:00 but, even if I were to somehow strike a deal with Atheros for a 71XX, I'd have to jump through NDA hoops. Aug 24 17:50:00 If I had a micro / SoC company, I would publish spec sheets for everything. Aug 24 17:50:46 I suppose that you would have to worry about clones, but the people doing that would be able to reverse it anyway. Aug 24 17:51:26 fullstop: like i'm in holland and have seen some nxp solutions for about +- 20 eur but then when i look for the price to order those boards as private non bussines customer then that price will pretty fast go up 60 eur :S Aug 24 17:51:52 fullstop: indeed scared for others using the same tech as they bought :) Aug 24 17:52:46 I don't follow the market much, but Atheros did a great thing by helping develop open source linux wlan drivers. Aug 24 17:52:52 fullstop: in the end they are mosthly using the same prototype examples and messup some stuff to make it harder for the enduser to hack the damn thing or other company reverse engeneer that product.. Aug 24 17:53:25 I have to imagine that they are selling far more wlan modules now then they were 3 years ago when Broadcom was king. Aug 24 17:53:46 while i do notice one point they all say this price this high cause 'special' ;-) guess they try to keep it that way .. Aug 24 17:54:21 indeed personal i do look at linux support else it is a useless product for my target without windows :) Aug 24 17:54:22 In the ARM world, most custom micros are the same ARM core with a specific set of peripherals selected, or custom ones added. Aug 24 17:54:56 also i do not think in big bussiness :( and i think you do ;) Aug 24 17:54:57 Even the peripheral registers between stellaris and stm32 are largely compatible. Aug 24 17:55:16 Not that big. ;-) Aug 24 17:55:20 hmm like those adsl modems that where broadcom compatible with docsis modems more or less :) Aug 24 17:55:34 just a diffrent uplink module on i2c/spi bus :) Aug 24 17:55:58 That's even further external of a peripheral than I was thinking. Aug 24 17:56:32 mosthly i do endup with a enduser product and a bit diy work :) but for me it is hobby Aug 24 17:56:53 and i have to keep stuff cheap as posible due other prioritys :) Aug 24 17:57:04 The SPI/I2S peripheral on a stellaris cortex M3 is likely register-compatible with the SPI/I2S peripheral on a STM32 cortex M3. Aug 24 17:57:33 The peripheral base address and registers may be at different addresses, but the bits of each register represent the same things. Aug 24 17:58:04 hmm that is a coincidence or same base design for parts of the whole design ? Aug 24 17:58:43 I think that ARM does most of the peripheral design and each manufacturer chooses which macrocells they want to include and do the actual fab. Aug 24 17:59:50 actually, it looks like all of the M3 chips are pin-to-pin and software compatible. Aug 24 18:00:04 As long as the micro you choose includes the peripherals required. Aug 24 18:00:07 only differ in features here and there.. Aug 24 18:00:31 One might have 5 usarts and a lower end one might have just 2. Aug 24 18:00:58 hmm also some companys have multi functional solutions that can be sw programmed to theire needs.. Aug 24 18:02:10 companies Aug 24 18:03:13 His English is far better than my Dutch. Aug 24 18:05:00 Chocks: sorry thats a us/uk typo diff indeed :) Aug 24 18:05:09 it's not Aug 24 18:05:29 fullstop: hmm my grammar typos differ from time to time it have been better also been unreadable for some :p Aug 24 18:07:09 I enjoy things which are lost in translation. My father was looking to purchase some metal-forming equipment for a car radiation manufacturing company, so they brought in vendors from around the world. Aug 24 18:07:16 fullstop: but i still wanna find someone who also have a ubicom ip7x device Aug 24 18:07:34 fullstop: basicly for explaining/helping with -> full-duplex serializer/deserializers (SerDes) enable software implementation of most common device I/O. Aug 24 18:07:35 The guy from China kept talking about the hydraulic sheep. Aug 24 18:07:56 And, eventually, they figured out that he had meant hydraulic ram. Aug 24 18:08:13 fullstop: rofl hydraulic sheep like a party bull xD Aug 24 18:08:21 lolz Aug 24 18:08:32 sounds like google translate :p Aug 24 18:08:42 This was well before google.. :D Aug 24 18:08:48 hehehehe Aug 24 18:09:40 holland <-> denmark also nice with some parts of the language that sounds the same but if a bit diffrent topic :) Aug 24 18:09:44 The German guy was astounded at how much forest was here in the states. Apparently, they drove him from NYC to Pittsburgh, which involves driving through a forest for about six hours. Aug 24 18:10:29 ehh nyc in germany ? Aug 24 18:10:40 anyway diner is ready (sorry have to go) Aug 24 18:10:51 No, he had flown to NYC. Aug 24 18:10:58 Something there was lost in translation. ;-) Aug 24 18:11:02 Enjoy your dinner. Aug 24 18:11:17 thanks have fun and i'll bbl Aug 24 21:25:08 grr Aug 24 21:25:18 error: implicit declaration of function 'strnlen' Aug 24 21:25:28 work around, anyone? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011