**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 27 02:59:57 2011 Aug 27 06:37:13 hoi Aug 27 14:37:42 no way to select antenna on b43? Aug 27 15:17:54 hmm a ups delivery like santa visiting you at home :p Aug 27 16:41:30 hmm will a ark3116 ttyUSB work on the 2.4 mips kernels nowdays or can better go for a pl2303 when have them around ? Aug 27 17:22:21 Q: i use linux kernel 2.4.x - are thera any plans to backport the driver ? Aug 27 17:22:24 A: no i dont think i will backport it. upgrade to 2.6.x ;) Aug 27 17:23:41 3.x :o Aug 27 17:24:42 just quoting the FAQ Aug 27 17:25:56 indeed Aug 27 17:32:04 probably can get some function from the generic usbserial Aug 27 17:32:37 long since past due to ditch 2.4 Aug 27 18:23:21 [florian]: did Jonathan Bennett get commit/trac access for fwknop? Aug 27 19:16:35 swalker * r28091 /packages/net/ditg/ (Makefile patches/): [packages] ditg: update to 2.8.0-rc1, remove obsolete patch Aug 27 19:17:34 swalker * r28092 /packages/net/paris-traceroute/ (. Makefile): [packages] paris-traceroute: add paris-traceroute Aug 27 19:46:07 mute: yes i have seen that wiki and was not expecting that data tobe up2date more like 4 year old.. Aug 27 19:48:10 mute: also for some mips devices it is kernel 2.4 or a wheel chair (no wlan), or else the long way fix the wifi driver on 2.6.. anyway i do not need 2.6.X for this project but pl2303's will also do.. Aug 27 19:48:38 was just curious if anything has been done on ark3116 or can better avoid them for embedded target use. Aug 27 19:59:06 for those who wanna know why i ask about ark3116 driver the nokia CA-42 cables i ordered via some trading are based on those chips.. dku-5 cables in this shipment still pl2303hx Aug 27 19:59:34 sucks when have +50 cables with no other purpose then debricking jobs Aug 27 20:40:03 i think 2.4 is still fine for embedded. it does same stuff with less resources. :D Aug 27 20:41:09 sigh Aug 27 20:41:20 people using 2.4 for embedded are plain stupid imho. Aug 27 20:41:23 it has a lot of problems, especially for networking Aug 27 20:41:25 waste of time. Aug 27 20:41:31 and the device support is so very old Aug 27 20:41:44 and you create problems for other people who have to deal with your stuff Aug 27 20:41:48 the word support has nothing to do with 2.4 codebases. Aug 27 20:42:03 Aug 27 20:42:07 ;) Aug 27 20:42:10 if only 2.6 wasn't so bloated Aug 27 20:42:14 and 3.0 Aug 27 20:42:16 true Aug 27 20:42:23 nbd: come on. its not that bad. Aug 27 20:42:38 roh: it keeps growing Aug 27 20:42:41 from release to release Aug 27 20:42:48 if you dont have 16-32mb of ram and >=8mb of flash it doesnt matter which kernel to be fair Aug 27 20:43:21 network performance for embedded is also not really getting much better Aug 27 20:43:21 nbd: then do something smart about it. support base grows. sure. if codesize of existing stuff gets bigger that the support it needs to have a proper reason Aug 27 20:43:33 i keep looking for easily identifiable sources of bloat Aug 27 20:43:35 but it's hard Aug 27 20:44:12 and i'm doing something about the performance issues as well Aug 27 20:44:32 but it's still a battle against windmills Aug 27 20:44:35 also always nice if a subsystem/option goes from tristate to bool ... Aug 27 20:45:18 in many cases it ends up being bloat spread across hundreds of .o files Aug 27 20:45:20 just a few k each Aug 27 20:45:20 nbd: network performance issues where? it seemed to me that it mostly is limited by 'simple and low end hw' ;) Aug 27 20:45:44 roh: well, wireless APs aren't usually made up of anything other than 'simple and low end hw' Aug 27 20:45:52 the main constraint is usually the memory bus Aug 27 20:46:07 and the low cache size Aug 27 20:46:08 true. but wifi is 'low end bandwith' anyways.. isnt it? (<1gbit) Aug 27 20:46:16 Aug 27 20:46:36 a typical more high end consumer AP is barely able to saturate wifi with the kind of cpu that it has Aug 27 20:47:04 at least for routing from wifi to something else Aug 27 20:50:25 btw.. i am planning a appliance-like device.. any thoughts about pcengines boards? i basically have chosen it now for long term availability, but if there is something evil on the new alix ones i'd like to know Aug 27 21:00:39 nbd so expert Aug 27 21:05:05 ? Aug 27 21:05:18 just sayin' Aug 27 21:07:20 yes, anyway Aug 27 21:07:24 the point is to slap anyone using 2.4 Aug 27 21:07:35 think of the kittens. Aug 27 21:36:54 <[florian]> swalker: I do not know, did he make any request for it? Aug 27 21:48:06 Hi. What should I do to make Luck statistict tabs work? Aug 27 22:00:57 nbd * r28093 /trunk/package/mac80211/ (37 files in 2 dirs): mac80211: update to wireless-testing 2011-08-26 Aug 27 22:02:11 nbd: o11s stuff works on openwrt. very exciting. Aug 27 22:02:33 o11s.org that is Aug 27 22:36:46 Chocky: hmm i do now wanna discus kernel 2.6 v.s. 2.4 all i say a box with asus wl520's.. was a eayer option then linksys wrt and check for version X and Y while now have less to think about hw diffs Aug 27 22:37:10 for a remote rs-232 box over wlan it is perfect Aug 27 22:37:17 or lan. Aug 27 22:38:00 for performance routers i use other hardware anyway.. Aug 27 22:39:12 with bootoff usbfs in the plan. Aug 27 22:43:48 that makes no sense. Aug 27 22:43:50 as usual Aug 27 22:44:10 Chocky: wat do make sense to you :) Aug 27 22:44:27 you judge without asking the point why. Aug 27 22:45:21 avr+zigbee or pic solution is still not cheap like a old linksys wrt or some other 2.4 based mips box with 4M flash .. Aug 27 23:57:40 nbd * r28094 /trunk/package/mac80211/patches/570-ath9k_fix_ack_cts_timeout.patch: ath9k: fix cts timeout setting on 2.4 ghz Aug 28 00:12:49 [florian]: sigh, afaik no Aug 28 00:42:24 so, at least 21 packages with a maintainer line where the maintainer possibly lacks commit access **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 28 02:59:57 2011