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Mar 28 03:26:21 <builder_> build #28 of sunxi is complete: Failure [failed compile_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/sunxi/builds/28
Mar 28 03:44:08 <swalker> Mazilo: add a --without-lzma or add the depends to libxml2's Makefile
Mar 28 04:22:58 <builder_> build #10 of pxa is complete: Failure [failed compile_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/pxa/builds/10
Mar 28 04:56:52 <builder_> build #10 of brcm2708 is complete: Failure [failed compile_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/brcm2708/builds/10
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Mar 28 06:03:23 <builder_> build #554 of cobalt is complete: Failure [failed compile_8]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/cobalt/builds/554
Mar 28 06:18:38 <builder_> build #561 of orion is complete: Failure [failed compile_8]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/orion/builds/561
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Mar 28 07:26:36 <Hopscotch> good morning
Mar 28 07:42:23 <builder_> build #549 of lantiq is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/lantiq/builds/549
Mar 28 11:37:54 <Mazilo> swalker: Thank you for the suggestions on libxml2.
Mar 28 12:04:01 <whitening> hi
Mar 28 12:18:42 <whitening> im getting error about missing db_185.h from include while compiling single package
Mar 28 12:19:19 <builder_> build #10 of mpc83xx is complete: Failure [failed compile_8]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/mpc83xx/builds/10
Mar 28 14:41:38 <nighty-_> Ok after testing all suggested patterns I still see OpenWRT crashing
Mar 28 14:41:54 <nighty-_> OutBackDingo, (that was for you)
Mar 28 14:43:14 <OutBackDingo> but it only crashes with the pci card installed??
Mar 28 14:44:31 <nighty-_> OutBackDingo, I am testing this at the moment
Mar 28 14:46:14 <OutBackDingo> ok
Mar 28 14:46:42 <OutBackDingo> ill be back in about 20 mins
Mar 28 15:01:35 <builder_> build #10 of malta is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/malta/builds/10
Mar 28 15:27:53 <builder_> build #10 of adm8668 is complete: Failure [failed compile_8]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/adm8668/builds/10
Mar 28 15:39:08 <nighty-_> Ok with 1 radio or without radio at all it never crashes
Mar 28 15:39:41 <nighty-_> (or at least it seems so , never is a relative notion)
Mar 28 16:06:33 <OpenWrt-Commits> jow r40296 trunk/package/kernel/mac80211/patches/ 920-wlcore-don-t-switch-channels-on-disconnected-STA-vif.patch 522-mac80211_configure_antenna_gain.patch 005-make-genregdb.awk-skip-antenna-gain.patch * mac80211: skip antenna gain when compiling regdb.txt (#15397)
Mar 28 16:17:50 <builder_> build #483 of xburst is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/xburst/builds/483
Mar 28 16:29:34 <nighty-_> OutBackDingo, Ok with 1 radio or without radio at all it does not crash
Mar 28 16:30:00 <nighty-_> at least within the 2 hours or so I have been testing
Mar 28 16:30:53 <OutBackDingo> nighty-_: with 1 radio in the pci expander it runs fine?
Mar 28 16:30:58 <nighty-_> nope
Mar 28 16:31:03 <nighty-_> it crashes too
Mar 28 16:31:12 <nighty-_> but the expander and no radio in it works fine
Mar 28 16:31:20 <OutBackDingo> mmmm
Mar 28 16:31:33 <OutBackDingo> and you tried all slots in the expander?
Mar 28 16:31:38 <nighty-_> Yes
Mar 28 16:31:53 <nighty-_> it crashes regardeless of slot position
Mar 28 16:31:56 <OutBackDingo> ok find something else to put in that expander?
Mar 28 16:32:03 <OutBackDingo> like a diff model wireless card
Mar 28 16:32:10 <nighty-_> Yep I can do that
Mar 28 16:32:16 <OutBackDingo> might be something bout these wireless crads specifically
Mar 28 16:33:09 <nighty-_> I have a ubiquiti networks XR2 I can try
Mar 28 16:33:33 <nighty-_> I have 2 of them
Mar 28 16:34:50 <nighty-_> But the chipset I am afraid is the same
Mar 28 16:34:50 <nighty-_> atheros
Mar 28 16:34:50 <nighty-_> ar5414
Mar 28 16:35:36 <OutBackDingo> id trust them before naything else
Mar 28 16:35:49 <OutBackDingo> ive got a ton of xr2
Mar 28 16:35:55 <OutBackDingo> and sr
Mar 28 16:36:00 <nighty-_> I just think OpenWRT has not been tested so much with multiple radios
Mar 28 16:36:09 <OutBackDingo> hah it works fine
Mar 28 16:36:11 <nighty-_> I could be wrong of course
Mar 28 16:36:23 <OutBackDingo> i have 30+ nodes with dual radios in them
Mar 28 16:36:31 <nighty-_> what board ?
Mar 28 16:36:40 <OutBackDingo> rousterstation pros
Mar 28 16:36:50 <nighty-_> ok but not soekris
Mar 28 16:36:59 <OutBackDingo> nope never used a soekris
Mar 28 16:37:12 <nighty-_> which routerboard model ?
Mar 28 16:37:13 <OutBackDingo> try the xrs
Mar 28 16:37:24 <OutBackDingo> not routerboard, routerstation pro
Mar 28 16:37:34 <nighty-_> oh ubiquiti
Mar 28 16:39:28 <OutBackDingo> yupp
Mar 28 16:39:58 <nighty-_> you are running OpenWRT 12.09 in them ?
Mar 28 16:44:36 <OutBackDingo> a few
Mar 28 16:44:40 <OutBackDingo> like 3
Mar 28 16:45:10 <OutBackDingo> the rest are older
Mar 28 16:49:36 <nighty-_> OutBackDingo, crashed
Mar 28 16:49:44 <nighty-_> OutBackDingo, with 2 XR2
Mar 28 16:49:49 <OutBackDingo> hrmmmmm
Mar 28 16:49:58 <OutBackDingo> try 1 xr2 and 1 compex
Mar 28 16:50:10 <nighty-_> I do not have compex here
Mar 28 16:50:18 <OutBackDingo> what was the other card?
Mar 28 16:50:19 <nighty-_> I have engenius
Mar 28 16:50:22 <OutBackDingo> ahh right
Mar 28 16:50:26 <OutBackDingo> try one of each
Mar 28 17:16:28 <nighty-_> OutBackDingo, what kind of antennas do you have on them XR2 ?
Mar 28 17:24:16 <OutBackDingo> nighty-_: omnis
Mar 28 17:24:20 <nighty-_> how far apart are they placed from each other ?
Mar 28 17:25:00 <OutBackDingo> some are 1-6km, others well longest is like 9-10km
Mar 28 17:25:08 <nighty-_> antennas ?
Mar 28 17:25:24 <nighty-_> 1.6km from the access point ?
Mar 28 17:25:47 <jg> If I want to permantently disable a daemon, how do I do that from the openwrt command line?
Mar 28 17:25:51 <nighty-_> you said you have routerstation with 2 radios
Mar 28 17:26:15 <nighty-_> each radio as 1 antenna (on XR2 because that is all it will take)
Mar 28 17:26:51 <nighty-_> you have 1 MMXC pigtail going to N connector for each card
Mar 28 17:27:24 <nighty-_> from there you have some LMR400 going to your antenna (how long is that cable)
Mar 28 17:27:41 <nighty-_> or you have antennas in those N connectors directly
Mar 28 17:27:45 <nighty-_> in either case
Mar 28 17:28:01 <nighty-_> how far from each other are the antenna physically placed ?
Mar 28 17:28:17 <nighty-_> s/as/has/
Mar 28 17:30:05 <nighty-_> I am talking about the antennas of the radios within the same access point
Mar 28 17:30:31 <nighty-_> I am also assuming you are using non overlapping channel like 1 6 and 11
Mar 28 17:30:50 <danitool> KanjiMonster: about the openwrt livebox image, should the kernel partition be a fixed size?
Mar 28 17:31:29 <groz> Outbackdingo:  Are you using 900mhz on any of those long hops ?
Mar 28 17:32:28 <nighty-_> XR2 are only 2.4Ghz
Mar 28 17:33:04 <nighty-_> unless he is using SR9 which he has not mentioned
Mar 28 17:34:16 <nighty-_> XR2 are not even sold anymore I think
Mar 28 17:34:38 <groz> doesn't look like it
Mar 28 17:34:47 <groz> listed as end of life products
Mar 28 17:40:19 <builder_> build #517 of ppc44x is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ppc44x/builds/517
Mar 28 17:40:23 <builder_> build #486 of sibyte is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/sibyte/builds/486
Mar 28 17:40:28 <builder_> build #517 of rb532 is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/rb532/builds/517
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Mar 28 17:49:00 <nighty-_> lol
Mar 28 17:49:29 <nighty-_> with 2 cards in the system and 3 SSID (1 per card configured) it shows all 3 SSIDs
Mar 28 17:49:31 <nighty-_> WTF! ?
Mar 28 17:50:07 <nighty-_> how is that possible ?
Mar 28 17:52:27 <nighty-_> uhmm
Mar 28 17:52:39 <nighty-_> very weird stuff
Mar 28 17:54:04 <groz> one per card = 2 ????
Mar 28 17:54:29 <groz> but, could you be running into the same thing I ran into with the 900mhz stuff here
Mar 28 17:54:45 <groz> with 900 device sitting on the desk right beside the 2.4
Mar 28 17:55:08 <groz> 2.4 ssid shows up in scans, and I'm thinking, its because of proximity, and a common intermediate frequency somewhere
Mar 28 17:55:18 <groz> get 15 feet of separation, no longer happens
Mar 28 17:56:45 <nighty-_> yes
Mar 28 17:57:01 <nighty-_> non overlapping are not non overlapping under close proximty
Mar 28 17:57:04 <nighty-_> non overlapping are not non overlapping under close proximity
Mar 28 18:04:15 <nighty-_> http://userver.ftw.at/~valerio/files/wons.pdf
Mar 28 18:05:34 <nighty-_> 900Mhz will also make 802.11n ath9k and possibly 10k radio crash in certain circumsstances
Mar 28 18:06:02 <nighty-_> it is a bug that QCA knows
Mar 28 18:06:17 <nighty-_> but has difficulty acknowledging
Mar 28 18:06:19 <nighty-_> it seems
Mar 28 18:07:12 <nighty-_> groz, 15 feets yes that sound correct
Mar 28 18:07:45 <nighty-_> groz, hence why I was asking OutbackDingo how far his antennas were in his setup
Mar 28 18:08:06 <nighty-_> groz, I have seen u.fl pigtails also create interference
Mar 28 18:08:16 <nighty-_> shielding is weak for high power radios
Mar 28 18:08:41 <nighty-_> I am using MMCX most of the time
Mar 28 18:08:50 <nighty-_> when I can afford to do so
Mar 28 18:09:28 <nighty-_> this stuff is becoming a real problem in multi radio systems with 802.11n and ac
Mar 28 18:13:04 <groz> all of my stuff is using internal antennas
Mar 28 18:13:13 <groz> but I dont have anything with dual radios on board right now
Mar 28 18:13:58 <nighty-_> internal antennas ?
Mar 28 18:14:03 <nighty-_> chip antennas ?
Mar 28 18:14:12 <nighty-_> PCB printed ?
Mar 28 18:14:17 <groz> ubiquity nanostation
Mar 28 18:14:26 <nighty-_> ah ok
Mar 28 18:14:28 <groz> and picostation with it's built in little omni
Mar 28 18:14:39 <groz> that sticks up from the board inside the plastic housing
Mar 28 18:14:52 <nighty-_> I am using Helicals
Mar 28 18:14:56 <nighty-_> large one
Mar 28 18:15:02 <groz> got a few older wrt54 units, but, phasing them out completely now
Mar 28 18:15:15 <nighty-_> but while testing I use omnis
Mar 28 18:15:28 <groz> my experience in the past with bigger antennas, particularily of the high gain type
Mar 28 18:15:46 <groz> they give huge increase in noise levels, far more than increase in signal levels
Mar 28 18:15:54 <nighty-_> yes
Mar 28 18:15:59 <groz> stopped using them, put a repeater in place instead
Mar 28 18:16:05 <nighty-_> gain is like magnifying
Mar 28 18:16:15 <groz> 2 hops over good connectioins, far superior to one hop over bad connection
Mar 28 18:16:25 <nighty-_> you increase the signal but also the noise
Mar 28 18:16:41 <nighty-_> groz, agreed
Mar 28 18:16:43 <groz> and if it's in an access point role
Mar 28 18:16:47 <nighty-_> but sometimes you can not
Mar 28 18:17:01 <nighty-_> I am using these in mine tunnels
Mar 28 18:17:01 <groz> does no good to have increased signal at the ap, if the client doesn't have similar
Mar 28 18:17:09 <nighty-_> underground
Mar 28 18:17:21 <groz> you end up with folks complaining about good signal, but 'no connection'
Mar 28 18:17:24 <nighty-_> like several kilometers underground
Mar 28 18:17:45 <nighty-_> and some other exotic locations
Mar 28 18:17:46 <groz> hmm, now that is interesting
Mar 28 18:17:57 <nighty-_> most of it is extreme
Mar 28 18:18:20 <nighty-_> in terms of environment and distance
Mar 28 18:18:21 <groz> my setup is more mundane
Mar 28 18:18:37 <groz> I have some equipment out on the back lot, and need good connection to the house
Mar 28 18:18:48 <nighty-_> mundane or not
Mar 28 18:18:50 <groz> i have in the past used multiple 2.4 ghz hops
Mar 28 18:18:53 <nighty-_> any experience is valuable
Mar 28 18:18:56 <nighty-_> when it comes to radio
Mar 28 18:19:00 <groz> but we moved last summer, and i'm building new
Mar 28 18:19:14 <groz> so experimenting this time, using 900mhz radios for the long hop
Mar 28 18:19:30 <nighty-_> makes sense
Mar 28 18:19:31 <groz> long = around half a kilometer in this case
Mar 28 18:19:43 <groz> some light foliage in the path
Mar 28 18:19:50 <nighty-_> bbiab
Mar 28 18:20:08 <groz> the way I had it at the old house, had a 2 hop system, that would fail over to single long hop if the intermediate ap lost power
Mar 28 18:38:54 <builder_> build #546 of ramips is complete: Failure [failed compile_4]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ramips/builds/546
Mar 28 19:10:57 <builder_> build #550 of lantiq is complete: Failure [failed compile_5]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/lantiq/builds/550
Mar 28 19:46:59 <builder_> build #496 of avr32 is complete: Failure [failed compile_5]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/avr32/builds/496
Mar 29 01:43:57 <eigma> does Linksys have a competitive advantage by not disclosing the work on the 1900AC before release?
Mar 29 01:48:33 <karlp> when the choice is between ignorance/stupidty and malice, always favour ignorance
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