**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 02:59:58 2014 Jul 11 04:12:16 build #632 of uml is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/uml/builds/632 Jul 11 04:24:30 build #590 of sibyte is complete: Failure [failed shell_9] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/sibyte/builds/590 Jul 11 05:20:12 build #602 of avr32 is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/avr32/builds/602 Jul 11 09:18:49 have you thought about including systemd in openwrt? Jul 11 09:19:05 or is it too heavy? Jul 11 09:19:18 its too heavy Jul 11 09:19:30 and too tightly integrated with other subsystems we do not want Jul 11 09:19:48 replacing the init by a binary loader? Jul 11 09:19:56 hm? Jul 11 09:20:03 it would be really impressive the result, wouldn't it? Jul 11 09:20:09 the init is already replaced by a binary loader in trunk Jul 11 09:20:25 unless you mean init scripts Jul 11 09:20:30 yeah, sorry Jul 11 09:20:35 the init scripts and so Jul 11 09:20:45 those are mostly stubs that send service descriptions to procd already Jul 11 09:21:00 procd then handles reload, process tracking etc. Jul 11 09:21:15 yes, but I was speaking about suppressing those scripts Jul 11 09:21:25 I suppose it's on the roadmap Jul 11 09:22:03 well many init scripts still perform config transformation Jul 11 09:23:42 and this requires still scripting Jul 11 09:23:49 which in turn still requires spawning a shell Jul 11 09:23:58 unless we come up with a custom script language to do so Jul 11 09:24:02 which in turn will likely upset people Jul 11 09:24:07 yeah Jul 11 09:24:50 or maybe if the config setup is really simple, they don't miind Jul 11 09:24:54 however services that have fixed args can be probably described by fixed service description files Jul 11 09:25:27 well, they can also be patched to have those defaults, can't they? Jul 11 09:27:24 probably, but patching any possible software package to accomodate for an init mechanism is a dead-end Jul 11 09:27:42 too much maintenance work and a too small niche Jul 11 09:28:55 well, if you trim functionalities in the binaries... Anyway, the truth is that the workflow of openwrt is to adecuate incoming sources Jul 11 09:29:20 btw - does the dbus -> kdbus kernel integration have any effect on openwrt ? Jul 11 09:30:00 plntyk: yes, the kernel becomes bigger and multiple targets will fail Jul 11 09:30:47 do you have any stats on how big usually images are, or package usage statistics? Jul 11 09:31:31 not really Jul 11 09:32:01 maybe that could be interesting to prioritize packages, updates, designs Jul 11 09:36:02 txomon|fon: in my opinion, systemd would be completely useless to us, because it solves boring problems in a slightly different way, while leaving the interesting problems completely unsolved Jul 11 09:36:17 build #5 of x86.kvm_guest is complete: Failure [failed shell] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/x86.kvm_guest/builds/5 Jul 11 09:36:49 nbd, example? Jul 11 09:36:52 starting a service and keeping track of it is boring, it has been done in so many different variations with so many different implementations Jul 11 09:37:29 and the interesting problems part? Jul 11 09:37:37 having a unified config storage where the part that's changing the config does not need to keep track of what needs to be done to apply it Jul 11 09:38:08 and our own init system plays an important role in that Jul 11 09:45:39 the companies use to make a mess when they try to make their own process tracking system Jul 11 09:46:45 nbd, so you mean that not having to restart apps if config hasn't changed is that interesting? Jul 11 09:47:48 it is if restarting the ap has side effects Jul 11 09:47:51 *app Jul 11 09:52:22 the restart-everything-after-changing-something model is quite stupid Jul 11 10:01:01 usually apps have reload mechanisms, don't they? Jul 11 10:03:30 some do, some don't Jul 11 10:03:44 but for many apps, configuration isn't stored in their native format Jul 11 10:03:47 it's converted from uci Jul 11 10:05:28 sure Jul 11 11:01:50 compiler error in gcc 4.8.x on openwrt confirmed :\ Jul 11 11:03:00 http://bugs.musicpd.org/view.php?id=4024 any ideas what open bug or component could be involved ? Jul 11 11:04:07 should i file a upstream ticket on gcc ? I don't know how much it's modified (4.8 and 4.8-linaro and 4.9 are buggy) Jul 11 11:09:36 plntyk: first you should check if there is an existing bug report already Jul 11 11:17:47 well there is not (no mpd found) Jul 11 11:20:51 can't find a comparable report through other searches either Jul 11 11:21:00 so yes, i think you should file a ticket Jul 11 12:08:32 build #528 of iop32x is complete: Failure [failed shell_9] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/iop32x/builds/528 Jul 11 13:15:14 build #119 of cns21xx is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/cns21xx/builds/119 Jul 11 13:28:26 build #556 of au1000 is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/au1000/builds/556 Jul 11 13:30:52 luka r41582 trunk/ include/kernel-version.mk target/linux/x86_64/Makefile target/linux/mvebu/Makefile * kernel: update 3.14 to 3.14.12 Jul 11 14:00:56 build #118 of realview is complete: Failure [failed shell] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/realview/builds/118 Jul 11 15:04:59 build #117 of adm8668 is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/adm8668/builds/117 Jul 11 15:19:01 build #210 of mvebu is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/mvebu/builds/210 Jul 11 15:37:04 How can I change a Region in the ART partition ? Jul 11 15:37:14 on a AR9331 Jul 11 15:37:18 AP121 Jul 11 15:37:34 I got my boards with the wrong region flashed in Jul 11 16:18:37 build #516 of mcs814x is complete: Failure [failed shell compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/mcs814x/builds/516 Jul 11 17:23:06 build #621 of rb532 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/rb532/builds/621 Jul 11 18:32:54 build #222 of mxs is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/mxs/builds/222 Jul 11 21:56:49 ok, seems like the preliminary datasheet of AR9331 I have is half empty... How the hobbyists can get the full datasheet? Jul 11 23:02:27 k did file a gcc bug regarding mpd , -Os and gcc 4.8 on x86 : https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61785 (mpd bugtracker: http://bugs.musicpd.org/view.php?id=4024 ) Jul 11 23:05:29 build #662 of cobalt is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/cobalt/builds/662 Jul 12 01:19:50 build #668 of orion is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/orion/builds/668 Jul 12 01:27:10 640k ought ... Jul 12 01:27:10 <~. Jul 12 01:27:19 wow Jul 12 01:27:32 wrong window / connection issues :) Jul 12 01:27:34 don't mined me Jul 12 02:42:58 build #117 of pxa is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/pxa/builds/117 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 12 02:59:58 2014