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Sep 01 06:03:43 <builder> build #80 of lantiq.xrx200 is complete: Failure [failed shell_14]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/lantiq.xrx200/builds/80
Sep 01 07:19:48 <builder> build #85 of cobalt is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/cobalt/builds/85
Sep 01 07:22:25 <builder> build #85 of cns21xx is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/cns21xx/builds/85
Sep 01 07:25:29 <builder> build #85 of orion is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/orion/builds/85
Sep 01 09:39:55 <karlp> I know there's still work to do on this page: http://wiki.openwrt.org/inbox/procd-init-scripts
Sep 01 09:40:15 <karlp> but is that really it's final home?  it's under "Build and installation - Few Adjustments - NEW (shiva) »"
Sep 01 09:40:35 <karlp> I'm trying to add some links and warnings on some older wiki pages, would like a nice destination for it.
Sep 01 09:55:14 <jow_laptop> karlp: I'd say http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/initscripts
Sep 01 10:23:19 <KevinDB> Beyond me yesterday reporting some odd dhcpv6 behaviour, has anyone else experienced any ipv6 funkyness of late?
Sep 01 10:24:01 <KevinDB> I've got a mint box spitting out ipv6 DAD errors, and a load of apple IOS just hating ipv6.
Sep 01 10:24:36 <cyrusff> KevinDB: known issue
Sep 01 10:25:18 <cyrusff> https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2015-August/035469.html
Sep 01 10:25:26 <cyrusff> + replies
Sep 01 10:25:37 <KevinDB> cyrusff: At least I'm not the first to fall in it then :-)
Sep 01 10:25:40 <cyrusff> i guess linus will post a patch in the coming days otherwise i will revert
Sep 01 10:28:45 <KevinDB> cyrusff: Ah ok, so I can go as far as 46719 :-)
Sep 01 10:29:34 <cyrusff> i will look into odhcpd now
Sep 01 10:30:11 <KevinDB> cyrusff: Well I'm now wondering if that is a symptom of the other?
Sep 01 11:43:16 * dtaht2 wonders if nbd is around
Sep 01 11:43:36 * nbd is
Sep 01 11:43:42 <dtaht2> u in berlin?
Sep 01 11:43:48 <nbd> yep
Sep 01 11:43:55 * dtaht2 waves hi, also from berlin
Sep 01 11:43:59 <nbd> ah, nice
Sep 01 11:44:06 <dtaht2> do you not read your email anymore?
Sep 01 11:44:13 <nbd> i usually do
Sep 01 11:44:13 <nbd> why?
Sep 01 11:44:17 <dtaht2> I came all the way out there hoping to hang with you for a while.
Sep 01 11:44:42 <dtaht2> I guess a better question was do you respond to email anymore? :)
Sep 01 11:44:52 <nbd> hm, maybe i missed something
Sep 01 11:45:02 <nbd> my mail sorting is acting up sometimes, and i get a lot of emails
Sep 01 11:45:13 * nbd looks
Sep 01 11:45:30 <dtaht2> Anyway, I'm here til the 8th. I wanted to get with you anywhere, anytime I can, and I figure tomorrow's c-base hacking session would be a good start.
Sep 01 11:45:45 <nbd> sounds good, i'll be at c-base tomorrow
Sep 01 11:45:50 <dtaht2> for example, the most recent exchange you were cc'd on was between me and thomas.
Sep 01 11:45:53 <nbd> not sure when though, sometimes i only arrive after 10 pm
Sep 01 11:45:54 <dtaht2> Do they have a white board?
Sep 01 11:46:09 <nbd> not sure, i don't usually do any hacking at c-base
Sep 01 11:46:15 <dtaht2> what sort of hours are you keeping?
Sep 01 11:46:18 <dtaht2> where do you hack then?
Sep 01 11:46:37 * dtaht2 left brain in 5 different timezones
Sep 01 11:46:47 <nbd> my hours are changing frequently at the moment
Sep 01 11:47:00 <dtaht2> got time for lunch? dinner?
Sep 01 11:47:00 <nbd> i usually hack at home, but it's chaotic here, since i'm moving
Sep 01 11:47:06 <dtaht2> agh.
Sep 01 11:47:13 <dtaht2> get a nicer place?
Sep 01 11:47:21 <nbd> yep
Sep 01 11:47:27 <nbd> not far from my current place
Sep 01 11:47:35 <dtaht2> groovy. Need a hand hauling stuff over? I have a helper with me.
Sep 01 11:47:37 <dtaht2> she's cute.
Sep 01 11:47:38 <nbd> still need to fix it up before i can move
Sep 01 11:47:49 <nbd> still preparing
Sep 01 11:47:52 <dtaht2> and a painter
Sep 01 11:48:51 <nbd> found that email conversation
Sep 01 11:48:56 <dtaht2> k
Sep 01 11:49:07 * nbd fixes mail filters...
Sep 01 11:49:11 <dtaht2> sigh
Sep 01 11:49:36 <dtaht2> did you catch my talk at battlemesh?
Sep 01 11:49:50 <nbd> not yet, haven't had much time lately
Sep 01 11:50:02 <dtaht2> I grok. NOW. jeeze.
Sep 01 11:50:15 <dtaht2> like
Sep 01 11:50:33 <dtaht2> I said, I got a third wheel with me that you could put to work on your apt....
Sep 01 11:50:59 <dtaht2> anyway, you aready know all the material in the talk.
Sep 01 11:51:26 <dtaht2> But I firgure you would laugh your ass off at the live demo of how wifi agreggates behave
Sep 01 11:55:27 <dtaht2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWrFCZXOWk
Sep 01 11:55:35 <dtaht2> starts 26 minutes in and lasts 6 minutes
Sep 01 11:55:42 <dtaht2> I LOVED watching elektra run her arse off.
Sep 01 12:13:34 <cyrusff> dtaht2: you seemed too have much to much fun
Sep 01 12:13:36 <cyrusff> ;)
Sep 01 12:15:21 <dtaht2> I LOVE giving talks with demos.
Sep 01 12:15:29 <dtaht2> I hate the usual dry powerpoint thing
Sep 01 12:15:37 <dtaht2> glad to see you saw it
Sep 01 12:15:42 <dtaht2> cyrusff where are you based?
Sep 01 12:17:34 <cyrusff> if you are in berlin right now about 150km south-west
Sep 01 12:18:54 <dtaht2> well, I hope to hack all week
Sep 01 12:19:12 <dtaht2> does not need to be in berlin, per se'. Simpler for me though. :)
Sep 01 12:20:33 <dtaht2> I had some fun in bristol this weekend. laying down some tracks with him and this cellist
Sep 01 12:20:53 <dtaht2> http://176.58.107.8/~rhysling/ZOOM0009/ZOOM0009_LR.WAV if you want one.
Sep 01 12:21:12 <cyrusff> will see if i can make it to berlin
Sep 01 12:21:21 <dtaht2> groovy. I'm here all week. :)
Sep 01 12:21:35 <dtaht2> might have a spare bed if cellist doesn't get here
Sep 01 12:24:21 <cyrusff> i will have to see how i can arrange it, unfortuantely the gf had an injury this weekend so have to drive her around to doctor's, mrt etc.
Sep 01 12:24:42 <dtaht2> sorry to hear that
Sep 01 12:24:46 * dtaht2 lost his cane in london
Sep 01 12:26:12 <cyrusff> hmm thats bad
Sep 01 12:28:47 <dtaht2> I will gimp in.
Sep 01 13:24:38 <KevinDB> cyrusff: Have you had success?
Sep 01 13:32:12 <OpenWrt-Commits> cyrus r46761 trunk/package/network/services/odhcpd/Makefile * odhcpd: fix incorrect address assignment for DHCPv6
Sep 01 13:35:05 <cyrusff> KevinDB: KanjiMonster: ^
Sep 01 13:35:10 <cyrusff> please try this version
Sep 01 13:37:58 <karlp> jow_laptop: luci doc update if you're taking that sort ofthing: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/261982/41114656/
Sep 01 13:38:23 <KevinDB> cyrusff: will check it out
Sep 01 13:52:31 <KevinDB> cyrusff: Looks much healthier.
Sep 01 13:56:33 <rmilecki> i can't stand supporting users anymore :|
Sep 01 13:56:49 <rmilecki> https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=290012#p290012 the guy quotes: "No wireless support"
Sep 01 13:56:56 <rmilecki> and his question: "Does this mean I can't use wifi with this router?"
Sep 01 13:57:17 <rmilecki> do you think "No wireless support" isn't clear enough?
Sep 01 14:02:31 <KevinDB> rmilecki: Make something idiot proof and remember that a better 'idiot' can always be invented ;-)
Sep 01 14:06:54 <plntyk> rmilecki: I answered for you :)
Sep 01 14:08:52 <plntyk> i added some info to the wiki page its now: No wireless support. This means Wifi is not going to work. This really means NO WIRELESS.
Sep 01 14:25:50 <mamarley> Whoa, the block diagram for that router is, um, interesting...
Sep 01 14:26:22 <karlp> jow_laptop: is there any reason that cursor:set_list(blah,blah,blah, {}) can't just delete the option? having to special case on list update depending on whether there's still any left after modifying the set is tedious
Sep 01 14:30:55 <rmilecki> thanks for support
Sep 01 14:32:15 <mamarley> Any idea why they put two separate SoCs in it like that?
Sep 01 14:37:29 <KanjiMonster> mamarley: all fullmac wifi devices are SoCs, the quantenna ones are just big enough to run a full linux kernel
Sep 01 14:40:15 <mamarley> Ah, OK.  Thanks!
Sep 01 14:41:23 <rmilecki> plus most fullmac devices use some standard bus I belieev
Sep 01 14:41:27 <rmilecki> USB, PCI, whatever
Sep 01 14:41:34 <rmilecki> this one uses network interface afair ;)
Sep 01 14:41:47 <plntyk> mamarley: the computational power required to do calculation with 4 antennas requires more cpu power (just like modern HDD error correction etc. requires that too)
Sep 01 14:42:16 <mamarley> Oh, I guess "quantenna" is a portmanteau of "quad" and "antenna" then.
Sep 01 14:43:32 <plntyk> http://www.radio-electronics.com/articles/antennas-propagation/mimo-signal-processing-considerations-118  has "MIMO processing requirements" as some insight whats involved
Sep 01 14:44:15 <jow_laptop> karlp: thanks, documentation update pushed
Sep 01 14:44:44 <jow_laptop> karlp: regarding set_list, let me check
Sep 01 14:45:09 <mamarley> The fact that one of the Ethernet ports is hanging off the Quantenna chip also seems silly.
Sep 01 14:46:25 <karlp> jow_laptop: set_list was throwing: "/usr/lib/lua/luci/model/uci.lua:211: Cannot set an uci option to an empty table value
Sep 01 14:50:07 <jow_laptop> what happens if set is invoked with an empty value?
Sep 01 14:51:18 <karlp> hrm, haven't tried that, I've got the table returned by get_list, and then I'm inserting/removing items, and trying to set_list with the result,
Sep 01 14:51:33 <karlp> might work, but would still need a special case to check whether the set is empty or not.
Sep 01 14:51:47 <jow_laptop> I'm unsure whether an empty table should result in a deletion or leaving the option alone
Sep 01 14:51:50 <jow_laptop> I guess deletion
Sep 01 14:52:08 <karlp> you're explicitly calling set_list {}, I wouldn't expect it to do nothing.
Sep 01 14:52:17 <jow_laptop> hm right
Sep 01 14:52:43 <jow_laptop> will do it later, otherwise feel free to send me a patch to merge
Sep 01 14:53:00 <jow_laptop> I need to move home first
Sep 01 14:53:06 <karlp> no sweat, just something I ran into.
Sep 01 14:54:04 <karlp> is luci2 still moving forward? or is it still worth me updating docs and things in luci as I find them?
Sep 01 14:54:20 <jow_laptop> both
Sep 01 14:54:26 <jow_laptop> I'm currently redoing luci2 in angular
Sep 01 14:54:28 <karlp> good answer :)
Sep 01 14:54:44 <karlp> doh, here's me been using knockout for my stuff.
Sep 01 14:55:15 <jow_laptop> too much options these days...
Sep 01 14:55:35 <jow_laptop> need to run. bbl
Sep 01 15:34:39 <KanjiMonster> rmilecki: at least on the r7500 the quantenna is wifi is connected through pcie; the kernel driver registers an ethernet interface as the management interface though
Sep 01 15:34:45 <KanjiMonster> -is
Sep 01 15:54:32 <karlp> hrm, /proc/bus/usb is empty is that right? am  I just missing some modules?
Sep 01 18:27:21 <builder> build #80 of avr32 is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/avr32/builds/80
Sep 01 18:37:25 <mhei> I'm wondering why the buildbot did not take my latest commit and still report the mmc-utils package as broken for e.g. mxs (http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/broken_packages/mxs/mmc-utils/compile.txt)? Are buildbots not running?
Sep 01 18:49:19 <OpenWrt-Commits> cyrus r46762 trunk/package/libs/polarssl/Makefile * polarssl: bump to 1.3.12
Sep 01 18:49:21 <OpenWrt-Commits> cyrus r46763 trunk/package/network/ipv6/map/ Makefile src/mapcalc.c * map: add debug-code for mapcalc
Sep 01 18:50:06 <Devastator> nice to see next luci will be using angular hehe
Sep 01 19:30:32 <builder> build #79 of cns3xxx is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/cns3xxx/builds/79
Sep 01 19:35:37 <builder> build #78 of ep93xx is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ep93xx/builds/78
Sep 01 20:17:11 <rmilecki> karlp: not sure, try sys
Sep 01 20:17:16 <rmilecki> karlp: /sys/bus/usb/
Sep 01 20:17:28 <rmilecki> karlp: i don't know if proc is a symlink or not
Sep 01 20:17:44 <rmilecki> KanjiMonster: ah, i did'nt know it's PCIe attached, ok then
Sep 01 20:17:49 <rmilecki> i mean it's still weird
Sep 01 20:17:51 <rmilecki> to use two interfaces
Sep 01 20:17:54 <rmilecki> PCIe and network
Sep 01 20:17:59 <rmilecki> but well...
Sep 01 20:45:03 <KanjiMonster> rmilecki: on a quick glance broadcom dhd works similar, with the difference that they hide it and let the kernel driver do all the talk, while quantenna exposes the interface and lets a userspace app talk with the firmware
Sep 01 21:14:48 <Devastator> broadcom likes to make blackboxes right? hehe
Sep 01 21:16:55 <rmilecki> Devastator: and own APIs ;)
Sep 01 21:17:10 <rmilecki> Devastator: wlioctl, their own nas (& eapd)
Sep 01 21:17:28 <Devastator> rmilecki I don't know why they like to reinvent the wheel all the time
Sep 01 21:17:47 <Devastator> their hardware are usually great, their software.. ugh!
Sep 01 21:20:42 <builder> build #81 of mxs is complete: Failure [failed compile_5]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/mxs/builds/81
Sep 02 02:45:53 <builder> build #85 of pxa is complete: Failure [failed shell_10]  Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/pxa/builds/85
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