**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 03 03:00:00 2018 Jul 03 03:33:30 hey guys, i have problem to set port fordwarding for accessing http server on my raspberry from internet. I used to use PPPOE on my router to connect to Internet, and every thing beside port fordwarding works fine. but recently I moved to another place and using a new modem. I just set WAN as a DHCP client then I can access to Internet. Jul 03 03:35:01 the modem IP is 192.168.1.1, to avoid conflict, I've set the router LAN static address to 192.168.4.1 (IIRC, it's the address of br-lan, the eth1 ip is 192.168.1.2), and my raspberry ip is 192.168.4.203. Jul 03 03:36:08 if the modem is giving you a 192.168.1.2 wan ip, it is a router Jul 03 03:37:33 Oh, you mean the modem have functions of router. but I didn't find port warding settings on modem web-ui.. Jul 03 03:39:27 what kind of modem? adsl? docsis? something else? Jul 03 03:42:00 I'm sure it's not adsl. IDC what is docsis. maybe fiber? Jul 03 03:43:15 if it has a model number, it can be searched on the web Jul 03 03:44:51 oh sorry, currently I'm outside home... may try it later this day. Jul 03 04:45:25 moin Jul 03 04:45:46 morning Jul 03 04:46:22 awake at 5.45 was not my plan for today! Jul 03 04:48:31 i'm awake most days at that time Jul 03 04:48:58 and not by choice Jul 03 04:49:59 i normally wake up around 5:30 Jul 03 04:51:50 Don't have to get the kids up till 7 so chill for a bit! Jul 03 04:52:38 https://youtu.be/NBMi-KYUl8c Jul 03 04:52:52 Get some good music in my head phones Jul 03 04:55:42 + a pot of coffi Jul 03 04:55:54 #winning! lol Jul 03 04:59:31 2nd cuppa Jul 03 04:59:41 and some IoT hackery Jul 03 04:59:51 ran out of biscuits though Jul 03 05:00:07 and i got an email that i can pick up my openwrt print Jul 03 05:00:29 got the logo svg printed in 90x60cm for my office wall :-D Jul 03 05:03:32 O man I wish i hade a pack of biscuits rite about now! Jul 03 05:03:57 morning john :) Jul 03 05:04:37 * nitroshift passes blogic some chocolate crispy biscuits Jul 03 05:05:35 O! Jul 03 05:05:44 Tapper, i got my second coffee mug and a pack of cigarettes ;) Jul 03 05:06:11 that *should* last until noon Jul 03 05:06:44 I gave up the sigs a wile ago now! best thing I ever did, But I think working full time could push me back to smocking lol Jul 03 05:07:04 * nitroshift has 2 jobs Jul 03 05:07:13 O shit! hah Jul 03 05:07:21 i've been of cigs for over 6 months now Jul 03 05:07:22 though the second one is on call Jul 03 05:07:31 best decision ever Jul 03 05:07:41 blogic, i remember you were still smoking in prague, weren't you? Jul 03 05:07:49 blogic, agreed Jul 03 05:07:58 can't quit though, too much stress Jul 03 05:08:09 It was my fave thing ever to get up real early and sit on the dor step and smoke and listen to the birds sing Jul 03 05:08:41 I did it even in the winter Jul 03 05:08:54 morning Jul 03 05:09:02 morning jow :) Jul 03 05:09:19 * Tapper waves at jow Jul 03 05:09:44 * nitroshift wakes up stintel Jul 03 05:10:13 lnslbrty: yes, more or less, though static linking is sometimes explicitely disabled. Jul 03 05:11:31 jow: morning Jul 03 05:12:52 blogic: did you had any time/motivation to look into the adjust_link thing an ath79? Jul 03 05:13:17 or could you tell me some more about it? did we have local patches to it not carried over to ath79 ? Jul 03 05:22:04 jow: was busy doing real work :/ Jul 03 05:22:12 i'll add it to todays tasks Jul 03 06:19:07 hi, is it possible to monitor files changes via ubus? just like it's possible to monitor config file changes? Jul 03 06:52:37 Just looking at the rite up of how to use dns over tls and it seems more trouble than it is worth at the moment,. Jul 03 06:58:35 is it ok to upgrade my old openwrt with the factory.img instead of sysupgrade.img? Jul 03 07:05:15 meffe yes I think, but you will lose configs I think. Safest to use the sysupgrade if you can. Jul 03 08:17:09 jow: Ty, is there an `make menuconfig` option? Jul 03 08:20:18 nitroshift: o/ Jul 03 08:26:37 hi all, how to enable tftp and dhcp on boot? i've tried to follow this guide https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/tftp.pxe-server#tab__prepare_files_for_pxe-booting but didn't work Jul 03 08:27:16 stintel, o/ Jul 03 09:12:04 * ldir is getting closer to releasing a minor commit bomb on master - final clean compile & test to do Jul 03 09:13:32 ldir: is that good or bad news ? Jul 03 09:16:45 it should be good news :-) Jul 03 09:17:53 a bump to cake - but it has required a kernel fix to do so! Jul 03 09:19:10 https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/ldir.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master Jul 03 09:20:48 can openwrt compile with gcc 8.1.1 yet? Jul 03 09:26:56 pheoxy: did you try and fail recently, or are you doing preventitive checking? Jul 03 09:39:39 karlp, it failed last night when I ran it, forgot to log so running again to check it but I remember a previous commit adding it to build but now that I remember they also mentioned something about further patches to supprt it Jul 03 09:41:01 karlp, https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=d6d3db05436952f68f47d35df58ad5050b1f2d66 Jul 03 09:42:43 pheoxy: there are various gcc 8 issues yet Jul 03 09:47:54 is binutils 2.30 okay to use? Jul 03 10:38:22 if I want to rebuild 15.05 stuff, is https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/svn-archive/openwrt.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/chaos_calmer thhe right source for it? Jul 03 10:46:41 and there they go - abandon ship! Jul 03 10:53:06 hrm? Jul 03 10:53:44 I pushed 3 commits to master all on my own. Jul 03 10:54:25 :D Jul 03 10:54:30 nice :) Jul 03 10:54:56 I *did* test them...but I know how this works :-) Explosion due shortly :-) Jul 03 10:55:41 nbd is *alive* !!!! :-) Jul 03 10:56:37 ldir deeling with fallout is half the battle lol Jul 03 10:57:04 we have your back! Jul 03 10:57:35 nbd: I've had https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/staging/nbd.git;a=commit;h=de2a22cd49d69225c35185013f7c9ff45069bb24 in my own tree for ages.... curious as to why it's not made it to master? Jul 03 10:58:42 Tapper: lol - it's the people with knives I'm worried about :D Jul 03 10:59:18 hahah non of that here my friend! Jul 03 11:00:09 :-) Jul 03 11:01:43 * Monkeh hides his knives Jul 03 11:02:20 I will have a slice of that cake just as soon as the next snapshot builds. Then I will give feed back! Jul 03 11:02:48 ldir: i want to do more performance measurements with it Jul 03 11:02:57 or have some confirmation of whether this actually helps Jul 03 11:16:37 I can say it hasn't caused anything to obviously blow up - you'd like to think that gcc would do sensible inline things these days, but I believe karlp has an opinion on that based on recent experience :-) Jul 03 11:17:34 you've never hurt me with any commits. Jul 03 11:19:09 karlp: I thought you'd been victim to some gcc inlining tomfoolery recently? Jul 03 11:19:36 ldir, nbd: the help text seems a bit confusing: it's unclear (to me) if setting this config to Y forces the inlining or instead gives gcc freedom to ignore it Jul 03 11:20:52 the bool description is clear, the help text seems to describe what happens when the option is off, which seems counter intuitive Jul 03 11:24:56 ldir: that wasn't your fault though, Jul 03 11:26:17 bah, patched out svn requirements, make version being too high, now it's "need GNU m4 1.4" Jul 03 11:26:23 * karlp hates autohell so much Jul 03 11:30:10 f00b4r0: I think changing "developers have marked 'inline'. Doing so takes away freedom from gcc to" to "developers have marked 'inline'. Selecting 'N' takes away freedom from gcc to" would help. Jul 03 11:30:28 agreed Jul 03 11:33:35 jow: ping Jul 03 11:34:33 jow: remind me of the bug on ath79 and how to trigger it please Jul 03 11:41:15 changing ip address on a bridge and doign network reload iirc Jul 03 12:59:55 hi Jul 03 13:00:20 is it me or the new realtime connection overview looks quite odd? Jul 03 13:02:52 n00b needing help here - I'm trying to add support for EA7500v1 (little brother of EA8500) and I have a problem with serial access. Jul 03 13:03:07 I've soldered pins to it since there wasn't any, but serial doesn't spit out anything. I can confirm position of VCC and GND with multimeter, but the rest seems unconnected. Jul 03 13:03:28 My best guess is that there a few things missing (namely CM26, RM326, RM327...) so RX/TX are not connected at all: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jcmcg8ndpd3mu4h/photo_2018-07-03_14-50-36.jpg?dl=1 Jul 03 13:03:51 Ideas anyone? Jul 03 13:04:47 Yes, you probably need to populate some of those Jul 03 13:04:50 are the buildbots running? on master? Jul 03 13:04:59 I can be more specific if you can get a better shot so I can see traces. Jul 03 13:05:47 anyone know what "as: unrecognized option '--64'" is likely to mean? I've got an external toolchain that used to "just work" with CC, but I've reinstalled my laptop and now get this using the old cc tree and the same toolchain. Jul 03 13:06:07 Monkeh: give me a sec, please Jul 03 13:07:20 * karlp wonders if they have the cross tools in the path or something weird Jul 03 13:08:56 shm0: whats odd about it? Jul 03 13:09:20 I don't recall even changing it Jul 03 13:09:35 the alignment Jul 03 13:10:19 jow: where in the forum was the bug posted ? Jul 03 13:10:31 i tried 3 different devices now and am unable to reproduce :/ Jul 03 13:11:21 shm0: I can't notice anything odd, can you do a screenshot? Jul 03 13:12:17 blogic: https://forum.lede-project.org/t/ath79-builds-with-all-kmod-packages-through-opkg-flow-offloading/15897/42?u=jow and onwards Jul 03 13:13:47 hah! toolchain/arm-buildroot-blah/bin had "as" in it, which was getting put in the path ahead of the host's normal as. Jul 03 13:14:15 moved it to "notbin" so it uses just the toolchain/bin dir binaries "arm-buildroot-linux-gnueabi-as" instead. Jul 03 13:14:56 Monkeh: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fr39kcm1mlwda0g/IMG_8293.JPG?dl=1 Jul 03 13:15:36 @jow https://www.pic-upload.de/view-35572467/connection_overview.jpg.html Jul 03 13:15:52 shm0: sigh, material Jul 03 13:15:59 :> Jul 03 13:15:59 yeah, that one is probably broken Jul 03 13:16:11 it has a lot of issues Jul 03 13:16:43 but material is best :> Jul 03 13:16:58 I hate it Jul 03 13:17:09 its not really repsonsive, the code is hackish as hell Jul 03 13:17:21 loads of white space (and people said bootstrap has too much of it...) Jul 03 13:17:27 horrible javascript hacks Jul 03 13:17:34 but it looks good :P Jul 03 13:17:55 well, apparently it does not ;) Jul 03 13:18:07 ^^ Jul 03 13:21:45 filippz: Verify RM231 and RM272 are not 0-ohm (they shouldn't be), and that the top pads of RM326 and RM327 are not ground or Vcc. If they're not, try bridging them. I take no responsibility for fried devices. :) Jul 03 13:21:53 shm0: thanks, will take a look later Jul 03 13:22:24 ty for looking into jow ;) Jul 03 13:23:24 Not exactly sure what the two unpopulated parts are meant to be - silk seems to suggest transistors but I can't see a purpose on the RX, probably just ESD protection. Jul 03 13:23:52 CM26 is irrelevant Jul 03 13:23:58 i still haven't figure out why i only have that small amount of connections being offloaded? what could possible prevent a connection from being offloaded? Jul 03 13:24:53 * ldir pushes another 3 commits - sweats Jul 03 13:24:56 Monkeh: both are 2.99k so I'll try to bridge TX only first (pin 3 according to EA8500 pinout) and see how it behaves Jul 03 13:25:20 Odd number. Jul 03 13:25:43 My multimeter could be wrong - 3k it is :) Jul 03 13:25:49 Also an odd number ;) Jul 03 13:26:13 But not zero so they're just pullups Jul 03 13:32:30 jow: cant reproduce the issue Jul 03 13:32:44 hm crap Jul 03 13:34:27 so uci set network.lan.ipaddr=192.168.1.2; uci commit network; ubus call network reload - and after an "ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.2/24 up" on the pc you can ping 192.168.2.1 right away? Jul 03 13:35:02 i am skipping the commit and calling /etc/init.d/network reload but yeah Jul 03 13:35:05 i can even ssh Jul 03 13:35:44 then it might be indeed device specific Jul 03 13:35:54 i tired 5 devices now :-) Jul 03 13:39:36 grml Jul 03 13:39:41 so i added ar150 support Jul 03 13:39:44 whats up? Jul 03 13:39:52 and now 4 weeks later the initramfs no longer boots Jul 03 13:40:39 but it has the newest kernel while (not) doing that! Jul 03 13:41:02 Uncompressing kernel image... ## Error: LZMA error num: 1 Jul 03 13:41:07 ffs Jul 03 13:41:16 maybe also related to dictionary size? Jul 03 13:41:32 ? Jul 03 13:41:39 didn't I see a commit for that go through this very morning from nbd? Jul 03 13:41:57 https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commitdiff;h=09b6755946409d8fd8e95fab003f037ae026f04b Jul 03 13:42:47 ?!?! Jul 03 13:43:33 but .... Jul 03 13:43:55 maybe it works from flash now but not from tftp anymore :D Jul 03 13:44:21 but ... Jul 03 13:44:34 Monkeh: didn't fry anything, but with a few attempts I managed to get something garbled out, but it's a hit and miss. I'll try to somehow connect RX also and see if sending keys helps Jul 03 13:47:11 hmph Jul 03 13:47:24 engineer got to site, sfp port isn't coming up on this rb2011 Jul 03 13:47:26 sadfce Jul 03 13:47:28 sadface Jul 03 13:51:56 * karlp gives up and fires up a VM to compile openwrt-cc. Jul 03 13:53:00 Monkeh: I haven't checked all from your previous message - top pad of RM327 seems to be Vcc :( Jul 03 13:57:32 Monkeh: forgte that - If I connect Vcc and top of RM327 I get short, but if I check voltage when powered on against GND there is no voltage Jul 03 14:08:24 filippz: That's odd. Jul 03 14:09:12 bleh Jul 03 14:09:22 not even coming up on loopback Jul 03 14:10:01 fml Jul 03 14:10:16 question is, busted sfp, incompatible sfp with non-routeros, or busted cable Jul 03 14:10:38 or.. it just doesn't work and needs some tickling Jul 03 14:10:38 Question is, why isn't it on your desk so you can answer those questions? :P Jul 03 14:10:44 ahahaha Jul 03 14:10:54 because nobody bothered to order sfp and cables Jul 03 14:10:55 in time Jul 03 14:11:02 Monkeh: Maybe I've scratched that part a bit and now I'm getting those strange results at times. I'll see if I can do anything - but for now getting and EA8500 instead seems like a way to go :) Jul 03 14:12:09 so, I got a stupid question. I'm including a few custom shell scripts with my builds (eventually I want to make them proper packages, but for now I start them using /etc/rc.local) Jul 03 14:12:27 and I have been noodling around where to put the actual scripts in the file system. Jul 03 14:12:50 probably would have been easiest to make packages :) Jul 03 14:13:10 filippz: An expensive way to go :) Jul 03 14:13:19 /etc/sbin seems to be correct ... but I don't see any other shell scripts in there. Jul 03 14:13:31 err ... /usr/sbin that is. Jul 03 14:13:35 * karlp doesn't think he's ever seen /etc/sbin Jul 03 14:13:38 sorry. Jul 03 14:13:41 typo. Jul 03 14:14:04 karlp: Probably haven't dug through enough horrifying vendor firmwares then Jul 03 14:14:18 personally, I don't think the implementation of a "binary" is relevant for it's directory Jul 03 14:14:32 Monkeh: no horrifying ones then no. Jul 03 14:14:51 yeah, this is more of like a "best practice" question. Jul 03 14:15:09 hm, wonder if its just autoneg thats broken and it needs forcing Jul 03 14:15:23 can't set port speed/duplex with swconfig can I? Jul 03 14:15:39 drmr: Any bin folder you feel fitting - language is irrelevant Jul 03 14:16:07 It's not like we have a cbin, cppbin, dbin, asmbin, etc :) Jul 03 14:16:25 (please nobody get ideas) Jul 03 14:16:40 Monkeh: /usr/sbin it is then ... I feel like this matches the best (between /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin) Jul 03 14:16:57 Monkeh: Yeah, that idea would be binned fairly quickly. ;) Jul 03 14:17:11 drmr: I mean, you could use /usr/local/sbin if you want to organise a bit Jul 03 14:17:13 mamarley: *groan* Jul 03 14:18:15 Monkeh: I thought about that, but one of the scripts would be rather handy to have in $PATH ... I would have to amend that one too. rabbit hole. Jul 03 14:18:39 I wasn't sure if we had /usr/local/(s)bin in PATH Jul 03 14:18:41 Never looked Jul 03 14:18:45 we don't. Jul 03 14:18:51 Well there you go. Jul 03 14:18:56 I learnt something! Jul 03 14:18:57 # echo $PATH Jul 03 14:19:09 /usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin Jul 03 14:19:15 Too lazy to switch to another window to find out y'see Jul 03 14:19:20 * karlp is all for the merging of /usr/bin and /bin Jul 03 14:19:47 karlp: It's really not much of a distinction on a single filesystem embedded device, is it? Jul 03 14:20:06 not really, no. Jul 03 14:20:12 not even on desktop honestly... Jul 03 14:20:18 And the whole idea of a separate filesystem for /usr is pretty questionable in this day and age Jul 03 14:20:40 what does ERROR: CONFIG_IPV6 is enabled but the external toolchain does not support it mean? how does the toolchain support v6 or not? Jul 03 14:20:45 bleh, nothing obvious in the docs about how to set port speed (if its even possible) Jul 03 14:20:49 on the 8327 Jul 03 14:20:49 A: Storage is huge and fast now, B: Too much shit is tied together to make booting a system without /usr worth the effort Jul 03 14:20:52 oh, there's AF_INET6 stuff in the syslibs I guess? Jul 03 14:21:26 karlp: libc, notably Jul 03 14:22:24 it means that your toolchain (I guess uclibc?) features.h does not claim AF_INET6 support Jul 03 14:24:59 soooo, what can I prod to figure out why it doesn't work? Jul 03 14:41:22 http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html Jul 03 14:45:11 iirc we already symlink lib and usr/lib, or at least planned to at some point Jul 03 14:45:50 nope, I misremembered Jul 03 14:45:54 still separate Jul 03 15:12:13 blogic: ping Jul 03 15:50:32 if I want to do a site survey on each radio in the router... whats the best way to iterate through the devices in /etc/config/wireless in order to determine the wlan device needed for 'iw dev wlan scan' Jul 03 15:52:40 how do I know wlan0 goes with radio0, is there a function to look that up? Jul 03 15:55:10 well this is odd Jul 03 15:58:12 nbd: hi Jul 03 16:06:39 * ausjke bought rbm33g for experiments, if things work out well that could be a nice 11ac router, self-assemblyed, for about $150 everything included Jul 03 16:06:39 jow: got there in the end by using current tree instead of CC tree (at91 was revived) and just disabling the package dependency checks, they were always failing on "depends on libc but not found" Jul 03 16:07:37 ausjke: so what are you going to use for wireless? Jul 03 16:07:42 if 2.4g still very weak and drop connections that it most likely be a software issue, as those wifi radio modules are normally solid with 3dbi antenna Jul 03 16:07:55 s/that/then/ Jul 03 16:08:19 karlp: to play with, and may replace the poor zbt1326 Jul 03 16:10:34 which radio modules, it doesn't come with any. Jul 03 16:27:49 https://www.ispsupplies.com/Compex-WLE900VX Jul 03 16:28:33 karlp: four pc using 2.4g on zbt1326, openwrt dead after a few minutes,had to reboot, put two pc to another GL.inet router, now I'm able to continue this irc Jul 03 16:28:48 if you do 2.4G, avoid zbt1326 at all costs Jul 03 16:29:22 the $25 travel router is way much better in robustness and range Jul 03 16:30:22 just the wifi radio dead, openwrt still runs, wifi down && wifi -- takes forever so i just reboot it Jul 03 16:41:44 bleh, checked this sfp works in other boxes, so its definitely something off with openwrt :( Jul 03 16:42:00 but surely the switch would bring the link up regardless? Jul 03 16:43:58 what's the context of your sfp? plug in and expect it will work out of the box? Jul 03 16:44:07 spf fiber or ethernet? Jul 03 16:44:09 yes, thats normally how it works :P Jul 03 16:44:16 in this case, single mode Jul 03 16:44:16 s/spf/sfp/ Jul 03 16:44:27 its looped back atm Jul 03 16:44:37 must be long distance then Jul 03 16:44:38 as theres no spare sfp in the office Jul 03 16:44:42 nope Jul 03 16:44:44 1 metre Jul 03 16:44:44 heh Jul 03 16:44:55 forgot how long it should be using multimode instead of single Jul 03 16:45:10 ~550M for multimode Jul 03 16:45:17 but only crazy people still use multimode Jul 03 16:45:35 so the question is Jul 03 16:45:38 single mode likely for a few km or much longer , repeaters will be needed Jul 03 16:45:52 why is it broken Jul 03 16:46:00 single mode sfps can do 80km+ Jul 03 16:46:16 sometimes single mode when too short in distance it does not work well Jul 03 16:46:34 you need some attenuator etc Jul 03 16:46:44 modrn sfps are pretty good at not burning each other Jul 03 16:46:46 modern Jul 03 16:46:59 * ausjke feels old again Jul 03 16:47:12 either way, same sfp plugged into an identical box running routeros works Jul 03 16:47:13 anyway my experience with sfp is that, it does not always work out of the box Jul 03 16:47:38 for some reason though, the openwrt code forces link up Jul 03 16:48:13 the datasheet for the switch suggests its capable of autoneg, but guess that depends on how its connected to the sfp Jul 03 16:48:28 not forcing it makes no difference, though Jul 03 16:48:35 the sfp module is not that standardized comparing to ethernet mii etc, and normally the SFP vendor can provide a list about their os support, it's far from plug and play i feel Jul 03 16:48:37 I'd expect the link to still come up even if openwrt didn't support it Jul 03 16:48:45 it is entirely plug and play Jul 03 16:48:51 its standardised for that reason :P Jul 03 16:49:13 the only exception being vendors who will refuse to operate with sfps that don't identify themselves as their own brand Jul 03 16:49:18 but thats easily fixed with programmable sfps Jul 03 16:50:01 SFP is very standard Jul 03 16:50:10 but for this I got a genuine one, since the actual price difference between vendor ones and programmable ones is 0 Jul 03 16:50:20 The only incompatibility is BS vendor checks from the big names Jul 03 16:50:24 yup Jul 03 16:50:34 already covered that :D Jul 03 16:50:34 there are a few modes for each sfp, only certain modes work with the linux kernel sometimes, i once had to spend 2 weeks to talk with spf vendors to get it work with i.mx6 kernel, after modified the kernel driver to work with that specific sfp mode, don't recall details Jul 03 16:50:40 umm Jul 03 16:50:50 software has no bearing on what the circuitry in the sfp supports Jul 03 16:50:57 autoneg does not always work, been there done that Jul 03 16:51:11 these days autoneg works almost always Jul 03 16:51:13 Autoneg doesn't always work with plain ethernet either. Jul 03 16:51:20 only breaks with people who have old sfps, or dumb config Jul 03 16:51:22 * jwh eyes cogent Jul 03 16:51:27 I recall one Intel chip which can't actually autoneg with itself Jul 03 16:51:29 Don't recall the model Jul 03 16:51:30 that's 3 years, so not too far away Jul 03 16:51:41 also cheap sfps are often just terrible Jul 03 16:51:49 like cheap copper nic Jul 03 16:51:50 s Jul 03 16:52:04 anyway, all of this is moot Jul 03 16:52:10 both the sfp and loopback works fine Jul 03 16:52:12 sfp has nothing to do with cheap, any decent ones starting with $70~$80? Jul 03 16:52:15 its a software problem Jul 03 16:52:32 https://www.flexoptix.net/en/transceiver/sfp-lx-transceiver-1-gigabit-sm-1310nm-10km-12db-ddm-dom.html?co3059=18091 Jul 03 16:53:17 we added sfp-fiber to video cameras so they can be connected kms away Jul 03 16:53:24 heh Jul 03 16:53:45 with what power? Jul 03 16:54:09 local power, it's a project for military base and carrier/warships Jul 03 16:54:27 wireless was not acceptable Jul 03 16:55:37 and yes it runs openwrt :) Jul 03 16:55:40 heh Jul 03 16:55:59 well this is dumb Jul 03 16:56:20 probably wasn't tested at all before being committed :( Jul 03 17:00:35 you need to be more specific before you start making those sorts of claims :) Jul 03 17:01:15 well, it doesn't work (and the commit hinted it wasn't) Jul 03 17:01:42  Jul 03 17:01:42  Jul 03 17:02:14 Jul 03 17:02:23 still, I'd have expected it to work without any specific config anyway, since its connected to a switch port Jul 03 17:05:12 hi, i have just upgraded to LEDE from CC and now my openvpn client doesn't want to connect anymore Jul 03 17:05:56 anybody knows if there has been changes in the config files? i have a second archer c7 with CC and it works fine Jul 03 17:07:01 there's bound to be, you're on your own if you just upgrade and keep configs between major releases. Jul 03 17:07:07 here's my error log from openvpn https://pastebin.com/kWKZtLUn Jul 03 17:07:10 clean flash is recommended. Jul 03 17:07:34 IT IS a clean flash, i just used the openvpn config from the backup Jul 03 17:07:39 archer c7 is solid but hard to get v2 these days Jul 03 17:07:55 gotschi_: iirc there are some changes in upstream openvpn regarding the lzo options Jul 03 17:08:06 gotschi_: iirc comp_lzo is not accepted anymore or something like that Jul 03 17:08:06 seems like v2 is the only version well supported by openwrt Jul 03 17:08:07 I have two v2.0 models, one with CC 15.01 and one newly on lede Jul 03 17:08:58 gotschi_: it's not a clean flash if you just put back your old configs. Jul 03 17:09:21 Borromini: cmon, that's not fair. Jul 03 17:09:32 karlp: he doesn't need to shout either Jul 03 17:10:02 well IT IS a clean flash if i flash via tftp and just paste my openvpn config: https://pastebin.com/yfCPqQKr Jul 03 17:10:16 sorry Jul 03 17:18:50 gotschi_: as I said, that comp_lzo line is likely causing problems Jul 03 17:18:56 try removing it Jul 03 17:20:16 Linksys WRT AC1200 out of stock... Jul 03 17:20:24 thanks @jow! i tried to (set to 'no', remove), but the error seems to be generated by openssl Jul 03 17:21:06 OpenSSL: error:14077102:lib(20):func(119):reason(258) Jul 03 17:22:08 $ openssl errstr 14077102 Jul 03 17:22:09 error:14077102:SSL routines:func(119):unsupported protocol Jul 03 17:22:16 the client opens connection to the server, tries the TLS handshake and fails Jul 03 17:23:13 the used ssl library in lede likely does not support AES-256-CBC Jul 03 17:23:36 or the auth Jul 03 17:28:19 how can I check that? :D Jul 03 17:28:28 seems to me I have to get back to CC 15 Jul 03 17:30:42 got a archer c7 1750, finger crossed hope it is v1/v2, can't use zbt, rbm33g is going to take a while, need a good 2.4g desperately now Jul 03 17:54:58 gotschi_ go back to 15.1 with all it's bugs and stuff that has not bin updated and the get hacked! lol Jul 03 17:56:11 Any way scroo openvpn use wiregard Jul 03 17:56:19 mutch faster Jul 03 17:56:24 it is time! Jul 03 17:56:34 time for what dude Jul 03 17:56:46 for us to conquer the world again Jul 03 17:56:46 :D Jul 03 17:56:48 so has the protocol stopped changing yet? Jul 03 17:57:07 hahaha yes! FOOTBALL!! Jul 03 18:09:17 jwh: who is us? Jul 03 18:10:23 england :D Jul 03 18:10:29 lol. Jul 03 18:10:45 you lost against us on purpose almost... we'll see about conquering the world again :P Jul 03 18:10:58 yeah, nobody cared enough to bother playing Jul 03 18:11:01 all that to avoid Brazil eh Jul 03 18:11:08 yup Jul 03 18:11:16 and us silly belgians we took the bait Jul 03 18:11:28 was hoping for a mexico win Jul 03 18:11:34 is there anything worth knowing about the netherlands' performance? may have an interview with a dutch company later, and gosh they may talk sports :x Jul 03 18:11:44 who Jul 03 18:11:49 pie: i'll fill you in. they never made it to the world cup Jul 03 18:11:53 daw D: Jul 03 18:12:06 yeah, so probably don't talk about it :D Jul 03 18:12:49 caaan do :D Jul 03 18:12:52 jwh: i am impressed by russia. they're doing pretty well, against all odds Jul 03 18:13:00 just lucky Jul 03 18:13:03 blessed be relocate.me , gotta get out of america before it gets too nuts Jul 03 18:13:15 jwh: luck is what keeps most big teams in the game nowadays it seems. Jul 03 18:13:36 pie: job interview? Jul 03 18:14:11 yup! just for devops dingus/cloud/platform stuff Jul 03 18:14:45 :) Jul 03 18:15:08 it seems were #3 on the fifa ranking, for what numbers are worth. of course those yellow guys have to be on #2 :-/ Jul 03 18:15:16 germany won't keep its #1 that's for sure :D :D Jul 03 18:15:18 * ldir thinks the result will be *whatever* Vlad has *paid* for ;-) Jul 03 18:15:27 (es tut mir leid fur die Deutscher) Jul 03 18:15:36 hrm wait, belgium has better coffee and chocolate, doesn't it Jul 03 18:15:50 ah well, loved the benelux when i was there, ain't like there aren't trains Jul 03 18:15:51 pie: i think brazil makes both those though... we just import it :P Jul 03 18:16:11 they're nuts! ;-) Jul 03 18:16:40 what can i say... Jul 03 18:16:40 i'm in seattle right now and really worried i'll be hamstringing myself by moving away from good coffee... but hey, less fascism Jul 03 18:18:09 hipsters are a gloal phenomenon pie Jul 03 18:18:14 not to worry ;) Jul 03 18:18:25 haha Jul 03 18:18:42 you're safer in the US, EU will collapse any day now Jul 03 18:18:43 :D Jul 03 18:19:08 Also what Vlad wants… Jul 03 18:19:09 s/EU/UK/ Jul 03 18:19:15 jwh: ^^ Jul 03 18:19:25 nofi. just a reality check ;) Jul 03 18:19:28 we'll be fine, won't get dragged down with everyone else :D Jul 03 18:19:39 that's right the UK is digging its own grave Jul 03 18:19:46 yes Jul 03 18:19:48 at least it won't have to share it with france and the likes. Jul 03 18:19:53 exactly Jul 03 18:19:53 quel horreur Jul 03 18:19:57 :D Jul 03 18:19:57 lol Jul 03 18:20:11 it feels weird that theresa may becoming pm isn't even the worst part of this decade Jul 03 18:20:22 the future! moving to the moon, with steve Jul 03 18:20:29 plenty of time left in this decade Jul 03 18:20:30 pie: it certainly is refreshing, in away. Jul 03 18:20:42 lol D: Jul 03 18:21:10 no-one will be one-upping the Donald, he'll make sure of that. Jul 03 18:29:04 Borromini: you mentioned trump in a conversation, next round of shots is on you. Jul 03 18:29:06 need to get a job fixing the dang wifi at coffee shops with abusive patrons... really dug operating a nodogsplash2 AP while camping, made it pretty easy to keep a handle on behaviors. Jul 03 18:32:01 hm Jul 03 18:32:04 so.. Jul 03 18:32:11 https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=151dca093597031aa940271f31ab63a30a78240a Jul 03 18:32:28 but then a later commit... https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commit;h=e457d22261b2dbf5f75f5c73e6930bcecb8e8772 Jul 03 18:32:45 so how did the sfp port work in 2013 when the switch wasn't fixed until last year Jul 03 18:33:05 drmr: but i didn't call him by his name! Jul 03 18:33:09 * Borromini opens the bar Jul 03 18:35:03 its like a riddle Jul 03 18:35:42 stupid Q: just out of interest, does flow_offloading work with lantiq targets now? all the forum threads seem to revolve around other targets. Jul 03 18:35:51 how's stuff get 'tested' for a release, anyway? i assume a few boardfarm setups sitting out there? Jul 03 18:35:58 and if so, does it make any difference with pppoe? Jul 03 18:36:24 drmr: has lantiq been bumped to 4.14 yet? Jul 03 18:36:32 jwh: yup. Jul 03 18:36:37 should work then Jul 03 18:37:44 jwh: with pppoe, too? I like the lantiq devices with their internal modem, but without acceleration they can barely manage 90 mbit. Jul 03 18:38:04 no idea Jul 03 18:38:27 theres no hardware accel for lantiq Jul 03 18:38:34 only netfilter Jul 03 18:38:45 mhm. Jul 03 18:38:53 pppoe is likely to still be pretty heavy Jul 03 18:43:37 mmm, pub at half time i guess Jul 03 18:43:49 no idea how to fix this problem by myself Jul 03 18:48:45 pie: and people actually running master/RC's Jul 03 18:50:02 is there a nice pigeonholing system to adopt a piece of hardware? i'm definitely running master on my crap but it's probably too modern to be at risk for falling off the radar Jul 03 18:51:56 still, happy to sign up and contribute. openwrt is one of those pieces of software that i super appreciate as it ties so much else together :o in fact, i should donate or something Jul 03 19:12:39 oh this is cute Jul 03 19:12:46 sometimes the port ordering is reversed too Jul 03 19:21:31 pie: what do you mean by pigeonholing Jul 03 19:22:42 oh, just making sure hardware gets assigned to someone/something for testing responsibility Jul 03 19:26:05 ok Jul 03 19:26:08 Borromini: this game is amazing Jul 03 19:26:30 jwh: because you're winning? :P Jul 03 19:26:35 no Jul 03 19:26:36 the columbians Jul 03 19:26:51 arguing instead of playing Jul 03 19:28:37 doesn't bode too well Jul 03 19:28:58 they've lost anyway, but they're gonna end up with a red shortly Jul 03 19:29:09 send them all off for time wasting tbh :D Jul 03 19:29:28 1-0 isn't a loss until the game is over Jul 03 19:29:36 we're the better team Jul 03 19:29:45 but that isn't why they're losing Jul 03 19:30:04 they're gonna be down a man or two if they don't stop winding the ref up Jul 03 19:30:30 japan - belgium was 2 to nil until the 70th minute :) Jul 03 19:30:42 japan deserved that game :D Jul 03 19:30:45 i have never seen latin american football Jul 03 19:30:51 they did, they worked hard for it. Jul 03 19:32:29 yup Jul 03 19:34:19 the columbians are arguing over *every* call now Jul 03 19:47:26 drmr: lantiq and flow-offloading works, bumps the throughput from ~85 MBit/s (dual-core) to ~120 MBit/s Jul 03 19:47:48 pkgadd: pppoe <> lan? Jul 03 19:47:53 yes Jul 03 19:48:02 awesome. out of the box with a recent build? Jul 03 19:48:17 you just need to tick the box enabling flow-offloading Jul 03 19:48:24 I can do that. ;) Jul 03 19:48:28 it's disabled by default Jul 03 19:48:45 pkgadd: have you tried on the single core boxes (like the dm200)? Jul 03 19:49:46 pkgadd: There's GUI option? Where at? Jul 03 19:49:52 jwh: I've also tested it on the easybox 904 xdsl (single core), there it didn't go beyond ~5-6 MByte/s, so slightly above 50 MHz Jul 03 19:50:05 mamarley: firewall settings in LuCI. Jul 03 19:50:11 even with flow offloading? Jul 03 19:50:13 meh Jul 03 19:50:30 I'm not seeing it. Jul 03 19:50:31 (I just checked on my home lantiq fritzbox, but that one needs to push 16 mbit at best, so it doesn't matter much.) Jul 03 19:50:38 mamarley: recent build? Jul 03 19:50:44 Earlier today. Jul 03 19:50:56 saying that, don't use them in a fowrwarding capacity anyway, they're generally bridged (bridge device atm, dont think they have enough cpu power for anything useful like vxlan) Jul 03 19:51:48 sigh, this is a pain in the ass Jul 03 19:52:09 depending on what it feels like when it boots up, switch ports may or may not be reversed Jul 03 19:53:16 the ar933x built in switch that is, not the attached 8327 Jul 03 19:54:01 but... in other news Jul 03 19:54:03 link: port:6 link:up speed:1000baseT full-duplex Jul 03 19:54:29 noooooo Jul 03 19:54:44 cheating scumbags Jul 03 19:55:05 dirty Jul 03 19:55:06 yup Jul 03 19:55:41 colombia is winning? Jul 03 19:55:46 equalised Jul 03 19:55:57 2 mins of +5 to go Jul 03 19:56:43 i don't want to say 'i told you so' Jul 03 19:56:55 football can be a fickle game. Jul 03 19:57:05 it was an accidental goal and they cheated their way to it Jul 03 19:57:24 that sucs Jul 03 19:57:25 * sucks Jul 03 19:57:50 mowing down our players Jul 03 19:58:08 better get my ass to the pub :D Jul 03 19:58:35 I don't know if I succeeded in making this sfp port work Jul 03 19:58:42 but it has link now apparently Jul 03 19:58:55 albiet with 1000baseT and not X Jul 03 19:58:58 albeit Jul 03 19:59:07 arbeit macht frei Jul 03 19:59:10 lol Jul 03 19:59:19 * drmr tilts head. Jul 03 19:59:44 drmr: i'm fully sober, in case you're wondering. Jul 03 19:59:52 that doesn't help me does it :( Jul 03 20:00:09 (should I see baseT on sfp ports connected to an AR837?) Jul 03 20:00:10 eh, brainfarts happen. just don't be in Germany while yelling that phrase. ;) Jul 03 20:00:34 oh my judgment is sound enough still ;) Jul 03 20:00:45 or maybe do. we got roughly 25% of braindead rightwingers these times. Jul 03 20:01:21 hey, all over europe. austria isn't doing any better and we have our own right wingers in charge here in belgium as well... Jul 03 20:05:08 night gents. Jul 03 20:10:28 Should not be here https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/guestwifi/configuration also set network.${NETWORKID}.isolate='1' ? Jul 03 20:20:48 oh, isolate = 1 applies only to wlan, not interface, right? Jul 03 20:51:12 muhaha: depends on. there is an option to isolate brdige ports from each other Jul 03 20:52:20 muhaha: I'm using it for 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz on the same bridge, to ensure 2.4GHz clients can't talk to 5GHz clients and vice versa Jul 03 20:53:20 mkresin: Ah, thanks Jul 03 20:53:46 wtf. england wins a penalty shootout. that is suprising Jul 03 20:53:50 One more question. I am trying to apply sqm to guest network .. should I use br-guest interface or wlan guest interface? Jul 03 21:02:28 yessssss Jul 03 21:02:44 just got to town, its mental Jul 03 21:04:38 police out in force Jul 03 21:24:17 jwh: the ref is notorious for bad calls, and made more of them in this game, why wouldn't you take him on? Jul 03 21:25:33 karlp: he wasnt having any of it Jul 03 21:26:10 and hes the man who decides if you continue playing, so dont wind him up Jul 03 21:27:06 they were shouting in his face for a good 3 mins re the penalty, why test him Jul 03 21:27:46 dirty cheating scum either way heh Jul 03 21:29:11 jwh: hehe, like england doesn't play the same games. where do you think all these games come from? Jul 03 21:30:31 didnt see us being bad sportsmen tbh Jul 03 21:30:50 few tempers but nothing compared to them Jul 03 21:35:13 anyway we better win, leaving the country again when its over Jul 03 23:47:45 Can any router push 1Gbps WireGuard? Jul 03 23:58:22 koops: why would shadowsocks be faster than wireguard? Jul 03 23:58:42 No handshake. Jul 03 23:58:57 but the handshake doesnt have any affect on throughput Jul 03 23:59:14 Then equal, it all depends on how fast the router can do ChaCha20. Jul 03 23:59:31 except with shadowsocks, its single threaded and userspace Jul 03 23:59:48 whereas with wireguard, it's multithreaded, kernelspace, and has optimized implementations for intel, arm, and mips Jul 03 23:59:59 Cool. I guess I may switch then. Jul 04 00:00:11 the government cant break shadowsocks obviously Jul 04 00:00:17 wireguard just needs traffic obfuscation. Jul 04 00:00:26 jwh: kys Jul 04 00:00:28 there it is Jul 04 00:00:49 the government can break everything. Jul 04 00:00:51 lol. Jul 04 00:00:59 ?? Jul 04 00:01:01 * zx2c4 steps away Jul 04 00:01:07 by breaking your computer that is. Jul 04 00:01:50 so, encryption is kinda pointless, they can get all secrets before you even be able to encrypt them. Jul 04 00:02:41 so there's no point in being afraid that your crypto can be broken, because they are going to break into your PC instead. Jul 04 00:02:54 I just need censorship evasion. Jul 04 00:03:27 In my country VPNs are pretty much banned, soon it will be completely same to China. Jul 04 00:04:29 lol Jul 04 00:04:33 stop Jul 04 00:04:48 as amusing as it is, you should seek help Jul 04 00:05:43 or alternativrly move somewhere where you dont feel threatened Jul 04 00:05:51 alternatively Jul 04 00:06:06 I do take pills and my anxiety and depression do not get better. Jul 04 00:07:27 they dont work on their own, you have to want to Jul 04 00:10:43 the only thing they do is making things a bit more tolerable, that's it. Jul 04 00:11:02 preventing from going completely bonkers. Jul 04 00:11:07 better than less tolerable Jul 04 00:13:18 nothing in life is ever perfect, and there are always other people who have it better, and still others who have it worse Jul 04 00:19:07 nobody is ok all of the time, unless you are really simple Jul 04 00:19:13 they have it good Jul 04 00:19:25 In case of censorship, the government can simply demand everyone to install their certificate, and block all non-MitMable connections. In case of surveillance, the government can simply hack everyone's PC. Is nothing safe really? Jul 04 00:19:33 no they cant Jul 04 00:19:37 stop Jul 04 00:19:52 The government always wins lol. Jul 04 00:19:53 :-( Jul 04 00:20:01 they dont Jul 04 00:20:20 well unless the people physically dismantle it before they do that. Jul 04 00:20:35 which happens basically never. Jul 04 00:20:58 if you keep engaging in the delusion you will never be better Jul 04 00:21:02 usually followed by even worse people in power. Jul 04 00:21:22 If only I was sure it's indeed a delusion. Jul 04 00:21:32 it is Jul 04 00:25:05 Do you mean the government can't serve exploits to at least 10% of PCs and then they will infect the rest? Jul 04 00:25:58 e.g. to make it so basically every program you download will be infected. Jul 04 00:27:21 program or website or whatever. Jul 04 00:29:55 there is (still) a life without computers, without the internet - might be a healthier option Jul 04 00:30:39 not everyone can achieve that Jul 04 00:32:01 everyone /can/, it might not be what everyone wants - but if you're scared of the internet, it's still an option Jul 04 00:32:43 Well, maybe if there were people who found a place to live like Vikings used to do, maybe I will join them. Jul 04 00:33:02 i cant tell if this is genuine delusion or absurd trolling anymore, even the most severely delusioned do listen to reason Jul 04 00:33:05 No money, just farming and hunting I guess. Jul 04 00:33:21 Why would I troll anyone? Jul 04 00:33:40 dunno but its absurd Jul 04 00:34:20 It may be hard to you to imagine that any computer can be hacked into with a simple MitM attack+a zero-day exploit maybe. Jul 04 00:34:34 Was hard for me too. But most people know HTTPS is a joke. Jul 04 00:35:09 i'm well aware of what can be achieved, that is why what you say is absurd Jul 04 00:36:09 trolling is saying DD-WRT is better or something. Jul 04 00:36:26 I think DD-WRT is a joke. Jul 04 00:36:32 THEY STILL USE SVN. Jul 04 00:36:34 it takes many forms Jul 04 00:37:43 the choice of version control system is not a joke, neither is subversion Jul 04 00:37:55 SVN in 2018? Jul 04 00:37:58 that's a joke. Jul 04 00:38:09 Thank god it's not CVS. Jul 04 00:39:20 so what if it is pen and paper. Jul 04 00:39:25 neither 2018, nor in 2020 Jul 04 00:39:46 I'm sure there is a tool that can convert the entire SVN history to Git. Jul 04 00:39:51 yes Jul 04 00:40:19 RCS, not so much Jul 04 00:41:07 I have 3 cats and I still don't want to live if that means something. Jul 04 00:41:16 All 3 very cute. Jul 04 00:41:50 those tools exist, but doing a good conversion to git takes a significant amount of effort, especially if svn history wasn't extremely disciplined -- don't get me wrong, if you spend the effort, the results will be very good or even near perfect, but I understand everyone who wants to avoid that Jul 04 00:44:20 jwh: Do you mean it's impossible to make a targeted attack using a zero-day and MitM or similar attack? And if it's possible, what prevents it from being scaled? Jul 04 00:44:48 targetted, yes Jul 04 00:44:51 blanket, no Jul 04 00:44:58 been there, done that for splitting a ~1 GB svn repo into ~200 individual git ones - it's painful Jul 04 00:45:03 that was exactly my point Jul 04 00:45:18 Why not simply discard old history? Jul 04 00:45:36 Start with code snapshot of SVN without history. Is it very important? Jul 04 00:45:41 why bother with version control at all Jul 04 00:45:45 why use a vcs in the first place, if you don't care about history Jul 04 00:46:16 For personal projects I don't use it, but currently try to discipline myself into using it. Jul 04 00:46:21 throwing tarballs on ftp and announcing the release over gopher:// would do the same job then Jul 04 00:46:49 i cant understand any argument against it Jul 04 00:47:46 someone actually use Gopher? Jul 04 00:47:53 oh and unencrypted FTP? Jul 04 00:48:06 Why not HTTPS and announcements over Atom? Jul 04 00:48:20 ftp:// regularly, gopher - yes, but it's been a while Jul 04 00:49:13 jwh: And I guess disinfecting your machines from this crap and preventing it from getting back on your machines is impossible? Jul 04 00:49:28 Disinfecting most likely yeah. Jul 04 00:49:36 preventing... I don't know. Jul 04 00:50:23 Suppose you were somehow targeted for this attack. Jul 04 00:50:26 I know I'm not. Jul 04 00:50:51 im not infected, havent been for at least 15 years Jul 04 00:51:00 due to not being dumb Jul 04 00:52:05 HTTPS and antiviruses won't help if you were actually targeted. That's 100%. Jul 04 00:52:39 So ok, now I'm worried about being targeted. And wait a second, why doesn't this attack scale? Jul 04 00:53:04 And why there is no real documentation on them? Jul 04 00:53:11 Do they not happen in practice? Jul 04 00:56:22 those who are targeted are those who have done something that made them targets Jul 04 00:57:07 Like, I don't know, accidentally saying something dodgy in their sleep and then not remembering that? Jul 04 00:57:11 I had such a thought. Jul 04 00:57:34 that does not make someone a target Jul 04 00:58:17 Thanks. But how do you know? Jul 04 00:58:37 Yeah, you probably saved me from suicide, thanks. Jul 04 00:59:01 yw Jul 04 01:01:06 But wait, isn't it enough to infect like 10% of machines for it to spread exponentially within a month? Jul 04 01:01:18 1% if you are ok with few years. Jul 04 01:01:39 yeah, that's still scary. Jul 04 01:05:21 botnets are a problem. old news. Jul 04 01:06:20 What about a botnet that has an updated base of 0-days and is very good at hiding? Jul 04 01:06:31 Possibly some AI functionality too. Jul 04 01:06:52 That still scares me. Jul 04 01:07:12 i'm out, just abandon technology Jul 04 01:08:52 Nearly impossible. Where to go? Jul 04 01:09:12 It's like abandoning living at all for me. Jul 04 01:10:04 well you evidently cant live with it Jul 04 01:10:39 also, everyone has their own problems, dont burden them with yours Jul 04 01:11:08 Thanks for advice. DonkeyHotei: You were quite close from saving me from suicide. Thanks. Jul 04 01:11:19 I still do consider commiting one though. Jul 04 01:11:51 Also, I thought this IRC is a voluantary community, no one forces anyone to care about others problems. Jul 04 01:12:43 you are forcing people to care, them doing otherwise would be deemed insensitive Jul 04 01:13:57 most people ARE insensitive Jul 04 01:14:14 but there are degrees of caring Jul 04 01:14:58 there are places you can go, people you can talk to Jul 04 01:15:05 this is not one of those Jul 04 01:15:53 strangers on the internet are really not going to be helpful Jul 04 01:16:10 you'd be surprised Jul 04 01:16:44 well there are things online yes, but not here heh Jul 04 01:17:01 none of us are qualified for a start Jul 04 01:20:35 everyone has things they have to deal with though Jul 04 01:22:26 most people have things i don't deal with, and vice versa Jul 04 01:24:51 yup Jul 04 01:25:07 personal to each of us obviously Jul 04 01:25:55 i wouldn't wish my life on anyone Jul 04 01:27:27 heh Jul 04 01:27:40 id like to swap some bits Jul 04 01:28:19 unfortunately, it comes as a whole Jul 04 01:29:37 yup Jul 04 01:29:47 get what you are given Jul 04 01:30:03 sadly, yes Jul 04 01:44:21 I asked a completely tech-related question that is not personal at all and you steered the conversation to my mental issues. Jul 04 01:44:34 Guess who should feel guilty about that? Me apparently. Jul 04 01:45:31 conversations do not work that way Jul 04 01:48:22 back to Skyrim for me then. Jul 04 01:49:54 stop talking about them (or inferring them) then it wont be an issue heh Jul 04 02:15:48 jwh: So, you did not tell why this sort of attacks does not scale? Jul 04 02:16:18 And any idea how I can help you in exchange? I know JS well. Jul 04 02:16:43 React, Redux etc. Jul 04 02:19:09 because everything is not identical for one Jul 04 02:19:38 but its well past my bedtime Jul 04 02:19:48 Ok, sorry. Jul 04 02:20:00 I don't understand the meaning of this though: because everything is not identical for one Jul 04 02:39:30 Hey guys, I have hardware question. Are there any hackable 10Gbe switches out there with either a pcie bus exposed or sata ports on them? Jul 04 02:40:07 no Jul 04 02:40:12 hmm Jul 04 02:41:06 I've always thought it might be nice to have a nas integrated into a router, presuming the router had a beefy enough cpu and ram for cache... just another crazy thought Jul 04 02:41:34 there are quite a few nas routers supported Jul 04 02:41:51 oh Jul 04 02:42:41 table of hardware I'm guessing? :) Jul 04 02:46:05 Cool, and even open hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/gnubee/personal-cloud-2 Jul 04 02:46:20 probably better discussed in #openwrt Jul 04 02:48:53 dansan: go x86 I guess. Jul 04 02:49:15 10Gbps NICs are not very costly. Jul 04 02:49:34 I wanted two for NAS to PC connection. Jul 04 02:52:07 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072N84DG6/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 03:00:04 2018