**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 03:00:01 2018 Jul 06 03:44:35 ausjke: archer c7v2 is still the best Jul 06 03:45:08 you can find them used. also can overclock to 1ghz easily Jul 06 03:45:45 the v4 is a criippled v2. only 1 ethernet CPU port. Jul 06 03:47:17 what does overclocking them really gain? Jul 06 03:52:17 makes them run hotter? Jul 06 03:52:21 ;-P Jul 06 04:10:13 So you should overclock them only on winter xD Jul 06 04:22:52 Fishman: nope. 1ghz makes it only slightly warmer. Nothing compared to a beast like the R7800 or any of the linksys WRT series Jul 06 04:23:36 DonkeyHotei: a lot actually. The ethernet driver is suboptimal. better CPU works around that Jul 06 04:24:06 This is a Linksys WRT1900ACv1. Works well. I will include OpenWRT but if requested I can include stock Linksys firmware. Jul 06 04:24:17 whoops Jul 06 04:30:14 mangix: i was joking :-) Jul 06 04:41:02 only real problem with them is I remember data corruption with USB drives. Probably related to some cache invalidation bug in the kernel. Jul 06 04:41:42 tested with 4.4 and 4.9 kernels. I think even 3.18 has it Jul 06 04:41:52 archer c7, or wrt1900ac? Jul 06 04:41:57 c7 Jul 06 04:42:15 it's a mips 74kc issue i think Jul 06 04:43:12 there was a thread on the mailing list about it. Jul 06 04:49:49 hrm, might be fixed in recent kernels Jul 06 05:03:26 mornings Jul 06 05:38:04 https://pastebin.com/0568cSdp Jul 06 05:38:11 luci trunk Jul 06 05:52:18 and wrong WAN detected in "IPv4 Upstream" when configured like https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/mwan3#the_routable_loopback_self Jul 06 05:57:36 but maybe trunk few weeks ago was wrong and current is right, dunno, but today's behavior is different for sure Jul 06 05:59:20 https://imgur.com/a/jxRMzJe Jul 06 07:03:44 moin Jul 06 07:48:04 moin blogic Jul 06 08:51:33 Are you guys using something else than lxc.network.type = veth in lxc ? Jul 06 09:07:08 ldir: add more headroom when the packet is initially allocated Jul 06 12:02:49 do many here have the GL.Inet B1300, is it good? Jul 06 12:03:04 primarily stable wifi is my goal Jul 06 12:13:13 Hi, is it possible to get Broadcom BCM435F Wifi chipset to work with OpenWrt? Jul 06 12:13:31 or is it the case that there is no driver support Jul 06 12:25:57 morning Jul 06 13:43:22 mmm, wonder how much of a pain in the ass it would be to add nft/ebpf Jul 06 13:44:40 Hi, so does anybody know whether it is possible to get Broadcom BCM435F Wifi chipset to work with OpenWrt? Or is it the case that there is no driver support for it Jul 06 13:51:04 stikonas: no driver support Jul 06 13:51:33 KanjiMonster: ok, thanks Jul 06 13:52:09 well, it's not really my own device... It was provided by my ISP... Jul 06 13:52:38 for my own use, I have something where wifi works Jul 06 14:14:11 hey, im about to flash a newly bought wrt3200acm, and i was thinking of using the daily snapshot.. but I stumbled on something on the TOH (Newer WRT3200ACM's use WinBond NAND flash, requiring DTS and NAND patches), that i don't remember having to do on my own wrt3200acm.. can someone can let tell me what this is, and if i need to do something other then flashing the Jul 06 14:14:14 linksys-wrt3200acm-squashfs-factory.img on it? thanks Jul 06 14:18:03 i read somewhere that only models with serial number starting with 198106 can be flashed - but yeah, i would really like someone to confirm this before i try it Jul 06 14:51:16 meffe: should be resolved in snapshots or 18.06~ Jul 06 14:51:29 cool, thanks Jul 06 14:52:56 hello, is anybody around that could help with a question? Jul 06 14:53:05 depends on the question Jul 06 14:53:30 Blue pill or Red pill? :P Jul 06 14:53:39 I'll take the green Jul 06 14:54:17 i'll go for rainbow sparkles Jul 06 14:54:24 But in reality, I'm trying to answer a question for a client, but I'm not sure how to validate. How could I verify what version of OpenWRT supports TLS 1.2? Jul 06 14:54:46 I asked them for the firmware version, but they did provide the kernel version Jul 06 14:55:23 Something tells me It's been supported for a long time, but I don't know how to provide actual yes/no, or some form of detail to validate Jul 06 14:56:18 by checking the commit history? Jul 06 14:56:21 blogic: Very inclusive of you Jul 06 14:57:58 I apologize for ignorance, but how would I search the commit history? Jul 06 15:10:04 melong, clone https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt.git, git log, grep/whatever Jul 06 15:11:55 what does "supports tls 1.2" mean anyway? Jul 06 15:12:11 included a version of openssl that supported it? mbed-tls that supported it? wolf? Jul 06 15:12:41 karlp: Presumably whatever ticks off that item on their list. :P Jul 06 15:13:03 yeah, seems odd to need a "when was it added" to tick that box. Jul 06 15:13:16 so.. go Jul 06 15:13:30 I need to build the binaries on a system with matching libc, right? Jul 06 15:13:37 even though its statically linked Jul 06 15:14:05 oldest openssl patch in my tree is from 2013, and that was already 1.0.1d, Jul 06 15:14:12 only needed 1.0.1anything to get tls1.2 Jul 06 15:14:26 need me some goplane Jul 06 15:15:11 https://github.com/osrg/goplane etc Jul 06 15:16:16 melong: so, what versions of openwrt matter for your yes/no questions? Jul 06 15:16:42 and which ssl library Jul 06 15:17:29 AA was updated from 1.0.0h to 1.0.1 and gained tls 1.2 in https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/svn-archive/archive.git;a=commit;h=0d58efa70b0e90b886dc922919173132d17ccaaf Jul 06 15:18:08 BB and later have had 1.0.1 or newer the entire time. Jul 06 15:18:14 yes, but openssl is not a default Jul 06 15:32:07 Why doesn't OpenWRT include some SSL library by default, like wolfSSL? Jul 06 15:32:58 that could allow packages installed on a router to be private. Jul 06 15:33:07 private? Jul 06 15:33:30 In some countries VPN and similar technologies are completely banned, and the corresponding packages may be blocked. Jul 06 15:33:38 Or even worse could land the user into trouble. Jul 06 15:33:47 koops: iirc, the current default is mbedtls Jul 06 15:34:10 I'm sure we've been through this, if the country you live in is overly oppressive then openwrt is the least of your problems Jul 06 15:34:13 heh Jul 06 15:34:39 yeah, shadowsocks uses mbedtls by default, but I'm not sure if wget can work with it. Jul 06 15:34:46 jwh: debian never took that attitude Jul 06 15:35:09 does debian try to hide what packages are downloaded? Jul 06 15:35:30 i think that would be more up to the user Jul 06 15:35:36 debian don't have space concerns Jul 06 15:35:43 the packages are already signed Jul 06 15:36:11 same with packages like Tor. What if users don't want others to know they downloaded them on the router. Jul 06 15:37:14 ive got 2 security cameras, that is working over HomePlugAV ethernet.. I just flashed the latest snapshot, and I clearly is missing out on something - cause i can't get the cameras to work again. I was running davidc502sis's "custom build" earlier, on my wrt1900ac, and then my cameras was working.. can you guys think of anything i'm missing out on, other then upnp which i already have installed, that Jul 06 15:37:16 might be the missing component for me/the cameras? Jul 06 15:37:31 what I'm specifically concerned about is countries like China, where GFW can't block Tor and shadowsocks, but can try to block their OpenWRT packages. Jul 06 15:37:48 Tor still works in China if you use obfuscated bridges. Jul 06 15:38:06 koops: openwrt is not the project to help you with that, there are many others that are specifically for avoiding censorship et al Jul 06 15:38:21 some vpn's also work in china Jul 06 15:38:40 And am I supposed to put a censorship bypass box (based on whatever that is not OpenWRT) before my router? Jul 06 15:38:51 aw, think this giant bee might be dying.... don't have any white sugar :( Jul 06 15:38:57 only brown, which is bad Jul 06 15:39:02 the gfw is designed to allow foreign expats to phone home Jul 06 15:39:11 either that or its a gueen and shes been in a fight Jul 06 15:39:30 they currently crack down on all vpns I think, and on Shadowsocks to a lesser extent. Jul 06 15:39:55 there are some attempts to identify Shadowsocks traffic, but it doesn't work 100%. Jul 06 15:39:58 are you in china? Jul 06 15:40:00 i've seen consistent reports of the contrary Jul 06 15:40:15 jwh: he's in russia, which is arguably worse Jul 06 15:40:27 have friends here. Jul 06 15:40:42 DonkeyHotei: only if you're naughty Jul 06 15:40:54 russia is a prison that is as big as a whole country. Jul 06 15:41:28 umm Jul 06 15:41:37 its hardly north korea Jul 06 15:41:46 it was, though Jul 06 15:41:55 and people are still used to that Jul 06 15:41:57 maybe decades ago Jul 06 15:42:04 China is freer than Russia now from what my friends say. Jul 06 15:42:06 its not the USSR anymore Jul 06 15:42:14 change does not come that quickly Jul 06 15:42:22 i was born in the ussr Jul 06 15:42:27 China is getting better, Russia is getting worse. Jul 06 15:42:43 Slowly, but getting better. Jul 06 15:43:03 In Russia everything looks hopeless tbh. Jul 06 15:43:12 not everything Jul 06 15:43:23 I have a few russians as acquaintances, none of them think it is really that bad, its just a bit miserable (like lots of countries that aren't particularly oppressive, just shit) Jul 06 15:43:25 at least in China there are forces that can make a move to good. Jul 06 15:43:49 discouraging, yes. hopeless, no. Jul 06 15:43:54 well, in Russia it also depends whether you are in Moscow/St. Petersbourgh or elsewhere... Jul 06 15:43:55 thats the one I was after Jul 06 15:44:02 Here, the worst thing is that people like being oppressed. Jul 06 15:44:14 in China there is a culture of resistance, here there is none. Jul 06 15:44:27 there are economic problems, yes, but they're not holding you hostage Jul 06 15:44:29 people accept the censorship as being required. Jul 06 15:44:33 no, china is much more used to being oppressed, currently Jul 06 15:44:53 Strange. Jul 06 15:45:27 you speak pretty good English, why not move? Jul 06 15:45:34 and the oppression in china is a lot more stable than the oppression in russia Jul 06 15:46:37 it can't be that oppressive anyway, you have vitas Jul 06 15:46:39 :D Jul 06 15:46:51 isn't he latvian instead? Jul 06 15:46:51 wouldn't have seen that not so long ago Jul 06 15:47:21 kinda, claims hes russian but was the soviet union when he was born Jul 06 15:47:56 If I were to immigrate to US by work, I would have to get into 1m people who are allowed to each year, consistently, for 7 or so years, to get green card. Jul 06 15:48:07 then 5 more years. Jul 06 15:48:14 then citizenship. Jul 06 15:48:16 there is an entire continent to the east you know Jul 06 15:48:30 ones with less russian tension too Jul 06 15:48:36 one* Jul 06 15:49:13 err, west Jul 06 15:49:15 I could theoretically win a world-level programming contest and get o1 visa... theoretically. Jul 06 15:49:30 US is pretty strict these days Jul 06 15:49:48 eu is overrun by islam and sjw crap. Jul 06 15:49:54 what Jul 06 15:50:01 the worst type of islam, the actual radical one. Jul 06 15:50:05 it's very popular. Jul 06 15:50:05 * karlp laughs Jul 06 15:50:07 just avoid germany, you'll be fine Jul 06 15:50:13 iceland? Jul 06 15:50:39 and UK I guess too? Jul 06 15:50:39 what about the other baltic states? Jul 06 15:50:46 Nordic? Jul 06 15:51:09 latvia, estonia etc Jul 06 15:51:12 do you have an openwrt development question? Jul 06 15:51:20 karlp: don't be silly Jul 06 15:51:53 ... Jul 06 15:52:15 yes. Jul 06 15:52:58 but that will go later. Jul 06 15:53:23 In Baltic states I will be hated on. Russophobia is extreme there. Jul 06 15:53:34 Also, I spent my life learning English. Jul 06 15:54:14 I can't really spend even more time learning another language to at least b1 level to get to non-English speaking country I guess. Jul 06 15:54:22 well there you go, you've already mastered the hardest bit Jul 06 15:54:28 karlp: are you suggesting there's an openwrt channel ? Jul 06 15:54:45 well, english is considerably harder than many other languages Jul 06 15:54:46 Like from 3 years, to 20 years I was exposed to English in varying amounts and still didn't master it. Jul 06 15:55:12 DonkeyHotei: could say the same about other non-germanic languages if you're a native english speaker too Jul 06 15:55:32 ok, openwrt related question: Can I somehow run OpenWRT and Windows side by side, with both having access to my laptop's WNIC? Jul 06 15:55:39 yes Jul 06 15:55:40 i'm not a native english speaker, technically Jul 06 15:55:42 a VM Jul 06 15:55:49 for using both as a router and work laptop. Jul 06 15:59:00 koops: btw that's not true that russophobia is there in baltic states despite what russian "news" might say Jul 06 15:59:37 Does mbedTLS support curve25519? Jul 06 15:59:41 they're welcoming just don't try to annex them :D Jul 06 16:00:15 well, there is a big difference between russians in general and kremlin Jul 06 16:00:20 ye Jul 06 16:00:35 I considered immigrating to Ukraine, if that says anything. Jul 06 16:00:46 why on earth would you go there Jul 06 16:00:55 biggest fuck you to govnt possible. Jul 06 16:01:07 I don't think they care Jul 06 16:01:14 also they give free citizenship if you relinquish russian one. Jul 06 16:01:24 until it becomes part of russia :D Jul 06 16:01:54 and former Ukrainians life will become living hell? Jul 06 16:02:01 they will be hated by everyone. Jul 06 16:02:14 Did I tell I have 3 cats? Jul 06 16:02:27 yo Jul 06 16:02:28 hello Jul 06 16:02:44 even with 3 cats I feel very bad daily. Jul 06 16:02:46 hi. Jul 06 16:02:49 if you want to leave, you want to go to a place that is not in the same sphere of influence Jul 06 16:02:55 yeah. Jul 06 16:04:13 need support!! I just upgrade my openwrt dev environment to the V17.01.4 Jul 06 16:04:22 and met issue!! Jul 06 16:04:29 error: redefinition of 'struct ethhdr' Jul 06 16:04:50 welcome to the musl libc world. Jul 06 16:05:07 you may wish to consider updateing to at least say 18.06 world, where most of the packages have been fixed Jul 06 16:05:18 how to fix this issue? Jul 06 16:05:36 my package is using if_tun.h Jul 06 16:05:43 https://imgur.com/a/yeJzPDo Jul 06 16:05:53 I have no idea how to call this new cat. Jul 06 16:06:08 Guest57123: have a look at packages commit c38ba76698a092eab0459952b7e598872830d3a6 for instance. Jul 06 16:06:25 (git log -p and grep for ethhdr for all the packages that got this sort of fix) Jul 06 16:06:26 I have two more, Troublemaker and Nora. Jul 06 16:06:27 Hi, sorry for the delay. Had a call to take. The client is terrible behind in many things, and after being purchased, they have to get their systems up to date. I believe the mandate is to get all of their stuff on TLS 1.2 (for obvious reasons), and are just shooting at anything that has SSL Jul 06 16:06:34 both ginger. Jul 06 16:07:01 The most they've provided me is kernel 2.6.39 (I'm waiting to hear back about the firmward used/version of openwrt) Jul 06 16:07:02 Guest57123: here's another e39e96d08992c62b64d98c980798da507d54e387 Jul 06 16:07:16 Guest57123: you need to recompile your package with newer header. Jul 06 16:07:18 melong: sounds like they're in the best position to konw whether they support tls 1.2 or not. Jul 06 16:07:58 koops: recompile? I am trying to setup the whole dev environment, Jul 06 16:07:59 That's what I was thinking. 2008 = TLS 1.2, and the kernel is the highest form of 2.6 from 2011. Jul 06 16:08:08 my previous one is CC version. Jul 06 16:08:12 We already have TLS 1.3 and QUIC, why do they use TLS 1.2? Jul 06 16:08:27 koops: that wasn't the question Jul 06 16:08:32 I don't think TLSv1.3 is finalized yet. Jul 06 16:08:44 I guess they also use P-256/384? Jul 06 16:08:52 those are very questionable curves. Jul 06 16:09:18 somehow they became standard despite all the flaws. Probably money. :-( Jul 06 16:09:56 on my personal servers I basically disabled everything but curve25519. Jul 06 16:10:09 and chacha20. Jul 06 16:11:09 karlp: I include linux/if_ether.h because I have include/if_tun.h Jul 06 16:11:35 karlp: but I did not include netinet/if_ether.h Jul 06 16:17:24 Isn't Curve25519 a part of TLS 1.3? Jul 06 16:18:09 melong: Why should the kernel contain TLS code? Jul 06 16:19:16 it's always in a separate library, like OpenSSL. Jul 06 16:20:29 kernel contains some crypto stuff obviously Jul 06 16:20:34 but its not a general library Jul 06 16:21:15 in general, you can tie a kernel version to a release Jul 06 16:21:26 and from there you can figure out which version of the crypto lib was used Jul 06 16:21:37 Maybe RNG, but wtf with SSL code in it? Jul 06 16:21:38 and from that version, you can determine what was supported Jul 06 16:22:08 holyshit! Jul 06 16:22:43 koops: why wouldn't the kernel have AES ability etc? Jul 06 16:23:07 probably also generic TLS and DTLS I'd imagine Jul 06 16:23:57 koops: there actually is https://lwn.net/Articles/666509/ Jul 06 16:25:13 On Windows, even MS own TLS stack is in userspace, and I think on Linux it's usually OpenSSL, which definitely can't be crammed into a kernel. Jul 06 16:26:11 Will TLS be faster if it runs in the kernel though? Jul 06 16:27:25 koops: "the in-kernel TLS showed 2-7% better performance than the equivalent done in user space" Jul 06 16:28:04 insignificant gains, with additional security risks of exposing more kernel code to WWW. Jul 06 16:28:09 skeptical. Jul 06 16:28:28 very skeptical to be honest. Jul 06 16:28:46 Everyone should be running a hardened kernel on servers though. Jul 06 16:29:19 without it one buffer overrun = pwned. Jul 06 16:30:29 If you want to improve encryption performance, my recommendation would be to use an algorithm which is hardware accelerated. AES is probably the most widely supported in hardware with both recent x86_64 and ARMv8 CPUs supporting it. Jul 06 16:31:21 For information, can use an airport express??? Jul 06 16:31:28 chacha20 is very fast even without hardware support. Jul 06 16:31:38 jclamy: apple? Jul 06 16:31:45 yes Jul 06 16:31:55 airport express from apple Jul 06 16:32:08 I don't think so. Jul 06 16:32:12 if you mean "is openwrt currently installable on an airport express" then no Jul 06 16:32:20 https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_864?dataflt%5BBrand*~%5D=apple Jul 06 16:32:29 thanks Jul 06 16:37:16 jclamy: do you need help choosing a router? Jul 06 17:01:31 mangix: no wonder v4 is cheaper, but really, the only different is that ethernet port to cpu thing? other than overclock which i don't bother Jul 06 17:02:07 then i'm not totaly clear on the one-port-cpu-ethernet thing Jul 06 17:26:22 Can I somehow attach a screen to a router to see what's going on inside it? Jul 06 17:26:35 Like to see the console before ssh is up. Jul 06 17:27:43 there's always (often) serial headers! Jul 06 17:27:48 koops: serial console Jul 06 17:28:45 can that be connected to a screen somehow? Maybe buy an old mainframe terminal? Jul 06 17:29:10 In case I don't want to plug it into a PC, and want actual screen and keyboard attached to a router. Jul 06 17:29:40 same thing Jul 06 17:30:40 you do need to convert the voltage, though Jul 06 17:31:22 https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/vga-terminal-featured.jpg Jul 06 17:31:33 Something like this, including the green glowing text lol. Jul 06 17:32:03 serial console Jul 06 17:32:19 for a monitor with vga, you need drivers and connectors Jul 06 17:32:37 pretty much all routers have serial console Jul 06 17:33:56 I wonder if it's better to simply get x86 if I want a screen for a router. Jul 06 17:34:09 I want a small screen though. Jul 06 17:35:23 I want a small screen and keyboard to plug into a router as needed. Jul 06 17:36:28 Hi Jul 06 17:37:51 I've been working on OpenWRT support for Ubiquiti AC devices for quite some time Jul 06 17:38:24 And I have submitted a PR for it in January https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/689 Jul 06 17:38:46 Unfortunately there has not been a whole lot of progress on merging it since then Jul 06 17:39:24 koops: the vga output on x86 is a bit useless on openwrt. you'd still want serial Jul 06 17:39:40 Is anyone in here involved with ar71xx development an can help me? Jul 06 17:40:11 DonkeyHotei: Is there any small screen that can do serial, like for RPI? Jul 06 17:40:39 neoraider: You are doing a lot of stuff regarding gluon for freifunk, can you take a look at it or tell me who to poke to get it done? Jul 06 17:41:27 this sort of thing is very, very easy to google for, koops. Jul 06 17:42:16 koops: it is much easier to have a terminal window open with minicom Jul 06 17:42:36 pie: I can't find any. Jul 06 17:44:09 i would recommend not soldering on any routers, then, and going with a prepackaged solution for what you want Jul 06 17:44:52 I googled both "serial screen" "com screen" and "uart screen". Jul 06 17:45:23 No, I'm pretty confident with soldering, even though I would prefer a less permanent modification to get to serial pins. Jul 06 17:45:47 I don't want to get completely locked out of a router if ssh fails. Jul 06 17:50:28 that's what serial console is for Jul 06 17:51:06 if it doesn't work anymore, the system is most likely hosed Jul 06 18:00:40 Are there routers with COM port pre-installed? Jul 06 18:03:51 there may be channels better suited to your needs than this one. Jul 06 18:04:03 like? Jul 06 18:04:28 I would really like to keep the router unmodified to keep the warranty. Jul 06 18:04:35 not ones specifically related to openwrt development? Jul 06 18:04:52 heh Jul 06 18:05:03 #openwrt? Jul 06 18:05:08 definitely no development going on here Jul 06 18:05:19 I want it to be openwrt compatible though. Jul 06 18:06:44 getting serial access on a router isn't development. in fact, here's the first hit for 'openwrt serial' https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/hardware/port.serial Jul 06 18:06:57 probably reading that and more of the wiki would be a good start Jul 06 18:07:26 you can't really predict which devices will have the header presoldered Jul 06 18:07:49 I guess "open source friendly" ones like Linksys will. Jul 06 18:08:09 as far as straight com ports, that's uncommon in consumer hardware nowadays Jul 06 18:08:17 openwrt compatible doesn't equal development, there are people in Jul 06 18:08:18 the wiki has a huge amount of information that you're asking about Jul 06 18:08:21 #openwrt for that Jul 06 18:09:41 there's less people there, and people often ask questions on simply using openwrt here, even if it's not development related, without it being considered off-topic. Jul 06 18:10:18 so it seems like a generic channel. Jul 06 18:10:32 that channel often has non-openwrt hardware discussion too Jul 06 18:10:56 I found a WRT3200ACM for $199, but it's sold in the US and I will use it in RU. Anything to look out for? Jul 06 18:11:20 I remember those have different wi-fi bands or something. Jul 06 18:11:55 that is definitely an 'openwrt as a user' question Jul 06 18:13:07 Ok. Jul 06 18:13:16 I also asked it in #openwrt Jul 06 18:13:26 great Jul 06 18:13:48 koops, adding a monitor means adding more hardware and drivers, serial is there and you just have to find the right pins to connect to, that's it Jul 06 18:14:46 koops, regarding the band, I don't know about all routers but the one I used, you can select the country you're in and thus be using the right regulatory domain Jul 06 18:15:15 otherwise, check out what the regulatory domain allows in terms of bandwidth, frequencies and power and adjust accordingly Jul 06 18:17:11 Mister_X: US routers are locked into US regdom and have limited tx power. Jul 06 18:17:29 then buy one in europe Jul 06 18:17:50 again, the wiki will have information on this sort of thing Jul 06 18:17:58 these are not new problems Jul 06 18:18:15 I have a hard time believing that they are limited in tx power Jul 06 18:18:34 US allows more power than most countries Jul 06 18:20:07 most countries (all?) don't have any limits on power either ;) Jul 06 18:20:37 which countries don't have a limitation? Jul 06 18:20:38 one can have lower power with the same EIRP Jul 06 18:20:44 and vice versa Jul 06 18:21:35 there was a guy in #lede-dev a while back asking which regdomain was least restrictive because there were literally no such rules in iraq Jul 06 18:21:46 haha Jul 06 18:21:55 :D Jul 06 18:22:01 make your own Jul 06 18:22:11 I used to do that on my old atheros kit that used weird bands Jul 06 18:26:33 lol so if I set my domain to Iraq, it will enable all bands and sets transmission power to max? Jul 06 18:27:46 if there were an established regdomain for iraq that did that, the guy would not have asked Jul 06 18:28:17 complains about being oppressed, indicates he will attempt to break the law Jul 06 18:28:20 :D Jul 06 18:32:25 I don't plan to break any laws. Jul 06 18:32:33 That's a theoretical question. Jul 06 18:33:05 Maybe I want to do that somewhere in the wilderness, where I can cause no possible interference. Jul 06 18:34:00 I doubt the russian radio regulator has clauses for "out in the wilderness" Jul 06 18:34:08 if we don't, you guys certainly don't :D Jul 06 18:34:30 most regulators take misuse of radio pretty seriously Jul 06 18:36:04 i don't think russian regulations are particularly harmonized with the EU Jul 06 18:36:25 even germany's regulations took time to harmonize Jul 06 18:36:52 yeah, but the rules are mostly the same (outside of the EU and RU too), if you break them we'll break you Jul 06 18:36:55 :D Jul 06 18:37:06 especially if you interfere with military or emergency services Jul 06 18:37:30 frequency ranges in japan are just odd Jul 06 18:37:41 they get ch14 though :D Jul 06 18:37:51 only for 802.11b, though Jul 06 18:37:55 ya Jul 06 18:38:00 kinda weird Jul 06 18:38:20 koops: Ubnt's new product will have a LCD display on the product, so are some other products Jul 06 18:38:37 lol, interference with military freq = a nice talk with you at lubyanka. Jul 06 18:38:37 you know what I'd like more than an LCD? Jul 06 18:38:39 gpl compliance Jul 06 18:39:28 The probability *they* will let you out after such thing is very slim. Jul 06 18:39:38 gone from being slow to publish, to just not bothering Jul 06 18:39:49 like if you actually interfere with mil freq. Jul 06 18:40:21 we got a call once about interfering with radar Jul 06 18:40:21 poor thing, on archer c7: -ash: can't fork: Out of memory Jul 06 18:40:32 they were not amused that we were ignoring DFS Jul 06 18:40:35 heh Jul 06 18:40:53 does the military rely on 2.4GHz? Jul 06 18:40:55 128MB DDR is not enough for us Jul 06 18:41:01 no Jul 06 18:41:21 they all seem to use irritating ranges near 5ghz :D Jul 06 18:41:24 ausjke: idk, i have zram-swap enabled Jul 06 18:41:45 You actually interfered with a radar and *they* let you out? Jul 06 18:41:46 lol. Jul 06 18:42:04 EU != RU Jul 06 18:42:49 #reboot Jul 06 18:42:51 -ash: can't fork: Out of memory Jul 06 18:43:11 yeah, we tend to let people correct their mistakes before chopping their hands off Jul 06 18:43:13 looks like a hardware reset is due, though it is still passing traffic, slowly Jul 06 18:43:14 DonkeyHotei: for radar? Jul 06 18:43:26 also historically there has been a lot of kit that wasn't DFS compliant Jul 06 18:43:50 now a kernel question: is there any chance for linux to recover from oom? Jul 06 18:44:09 maybe if it kills a non-critical offending process Jul 06 18:44:20 why can't it kill some big and fat but non-critical process to survive Jul 06 18:45:08 #reboot Jul 06 18:45:08 Segmentation fault Jul 06 18:45:16 getting better i hope Jul 06 18:45:33 how did you even manage to use 128M Jul 06 18:46:24 ausjke, kernel can have a watchdog iirc Jul 06 18:47:15 The scariest part is that someone can SSH into your router, change regdom to Iraq and set tx power to max the router can physically output, and *they* will come for you. Like swatting, but maybe even worse if it actually interferes with a radar or something. Jul 06 18:47:20 watchdog on the archer c7? Jul 06 18:47:28 ok then Jul 06 18:47:52 I got Archer C7 I think. It failed to change firmware to OpenWRT even with TFTP. Jul 06 18:48:02 Had to return it to store. Jul 06 18:48:11 Something I done wrong? Jul 06 18:48:18 It was (RU) revision though. Jul 06 18:48:25 yes. no. maybe. seven. orange. Jul 06 18:48:33 there have been multiple hardware revisions of the c7 Jul 06 18:48:41 v2 is the best-supported one Jul 06 18:51:03