**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 09 02:59:58 2018 Nov 09 03:20:36 latest trunk and earlier . mt7621 Thu Nov 8 13:51:42 2018 user.notice mac80211: Failed command: iw phy phy0 set antenna all all Nov 09 03:21:29 what a disaster device. Nov 09 03:21:46 ethernet switch broken https://bugs.openwrt.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=1618 Nov 09 03:23:27 usb broken https://bugs.openwrt.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=1637 Nov 09 03:26:57 only wifi seems to go further day by day Nov 09 03:59:10 ds_shadof: try reverting https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/commit/8110bf18f4c1d04e8dfe94438caeadf78ceac892#diff-0168328969ebaa99b4c3061dad140191 Nov 09 03:59:35 hmmm actually nvm Nov 09 03:59:45 seems to affect multiple devices Nov 09 04:01:17 ds_shadof: ethernet problem will be fixed with kernel 4.19. weep for now. Nov 09 04:07:31 sounds like 100 light years Nov 09 04:10:33 yep Nov 09 04:11:16 driver cleanups were submitted but rejected Nov 09 04:11:33 on the grounds that they will come with 4.19 Nov 09 09:07:19 jow: thanks! Nov 09 10:20:38 xback: ping Nov 09 10:30:31 ldir: pong Nov 09 10:30:42 ldir: I noticed your patch yesterday evening Nov 09 10:31:18 ldir: but I don't have Darwin anywhere :) Nov 09 10:35:08 Lol I understand the problem. My patch feels ugly maybe nbd has a prettier solution:-) Nov 09 10:35:51 I can test it if you like :) Nov 09 10:36:20 but I can not actually compile-test it under Darwin OS Nov 09 10:36:51 ldir: the patch itself looks more than fine Nov 09 10:37:17 Ahh well it compiles under Darwin ok as my build would fail without. Nov 09 10:37:30 The original author also used bswap32, but without checking endiannes of the host system upfront .. Nov 09 10:37:46 no worries, ill test the patch in the debugger here Nov 09 10:38:01 if that is working, and you confirm that Darwin compilation is fine. than it's OK Nov 09 10:38:16 Whether the utility still produces a valid image at all is another question:-) Nov 09 10:38:46 well .. I compared binaries with the original and this new version Nov 09 10:39:14 but it's nearly impossible to verify correct function by looking at the code alone Nov 09 10:39:41 I really wonder if it actually worked once .. Nov 09 10:41:28 i'll ping you after debugging it Nov 09 10:41:34 I'm trying to update https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/base-system/hotplug_lede a bit, was trying to fill in ntp, but just reviewing it, there's not hotplug.d/button, that's all under /etc/rc.button? Nov 09 10:41:59 it says "not created by default" but how does /etc/rc.button and the hotplug relate? Nov 09 10:42:05 xback: gotta go anyway - catch you later Nov 09 10:43:47 karlp: /etc/hotplug.json maps SUBSYSTEM = button events to [ "button", "/etc/rc.button/%BUTTON%" ] Nov 09 10:44:27 "button" is a special flavor of "exec" Nov 09 10:45:12 it shares the semantics with exec but does additional housekeeping to provide duration information Nov 09 10:58:56 blogic: i'm planning to add some description to the target/linux/ramips/patches-4.14/0040-nand-hack.patch Nov 09 10:59:09 blogic: i meant to just push my patch Nov 09 10:59:14 blogic: let me know if that's a problem Nov 09 11:07:10 jow: thanks, trying to work out what to do with this old page too: https://openwrt.org/docs/techref/hotplug Nov 09 11:07:17 but it's a bit of a big ball of mud :) Nov 09 11:09:35 do things in hotplug.json get matched first, and then if and only if they're not in hotplug.json, does it do the exec hotplugcall SUBSYSTEM? Nov 09 11:10:06 it looks like usb-serial does a special call, and then _also_ calls hotplug-call? Nov 09 11:10:28 why wouldn't that just be a script shipped in the hotplug.d directories? Nov 09 11:13:25 ok, so basically there is only one central udev event delegator which is procd's hotplug deamon Nov 09 11:13:54 this daemon uses /etc/hotplug.json as configuration to figure out what to do with incoming uevents Nov 09 11:14:48 for many event classes, hotplug.json simply instructs to execute /sbin/hotplug-call $subsystem with the env vars populated from the uevent attributes Nov 09 11:17:10 some scripts (proto event handlers, init scripts, dhcp lease scripts, ntp statum callback scripts) invoke /sbin/hotplug-call directly Nov 09 11:19:01 not sure what you mean with usb-serial Nov 09 11:19:07 the logic in my config is: Nov 09 11:19:37 if subsystem is usb-serial and the device name starts with ttyUSB or ttyUSB, then exec /sbin/hotplug-call tty Nov 09 11:20:05 else exec /sbin/hotplug-call $subsystem if /etc/hotplug.d/$subsystem/ exists Nov 09 11:21:14 the intention here is to delegate usb tty* device events to /etc/hotplug.d/tty/ and not /etc/hotplug.d/usb-serial/ Nov 09 11:21:29 probably to remain compatible with builtin rs232 ports and the like Nov 09 11:38:06 I'm not sure I see how in the default hotplug.json it calls the hotplug.d/subsystem for things like ntp? btu maybe I just cant' read the if/and way of the json file? https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=blob;f=package/system/procd/files/hotplug.json;hb=HEAD Nov 09 11:38:20 rmilecki: go for it Nov 09 11:39:03 I see button, usb-serial, and add/remove devs being handled, is it fallthrough to thoe hotplug-call if it's _not_ matched in the hotplug.json? Nov 09 13:10:12 karlp: ping Nov 09 13:15:08 ldir: ping Nov 09 13:15:17 xback: pong Nov 09 13:15:28 ldir: I tested you patch in the debugger. Builds and runs fine Nov 09 13:15:37 host system was ubuntu 18.04 Nov 09 13:16:59 the code was stolen/copied/acquired from oseama.c anyway :-) Nov 09 13:17:49 borrowed/confiscated/... Nov 09 13:18:48 lol - I have never claimed to be any more than a copy&paste coder :-) Will document the commit and push Nov 09 13:19:16 ok. thanks for the fix! Nov 09 13:24:21 at some point though we're going to hit a decision on whether we support building on anything !linux Nov 09 13:24:51 tried building on DOS 6.22 yesterday but it failed at line 1 .. :( Nov 09 13:26:36 yeah my 386sx-16 is really struggling these days - might have to upgrade to a 486sx-20 - who needs a co-pro Nov 09 13:27:00 seriously: it's a good question Nov 09 13:36:26 ldir: lol @ commit msg :) Nov 09 13:45:29 jow: ping - I've 2 questions for you - hopefully you're running a 2 for 1 promotion discount at the moment ;-) Nov 09 13:57:00 ldir: yar? Nov 09 13:57:17 karlp: pm Nov 09 13:57:57 * karlp looks for a window and soesn't find any :) sure, go ahead :) Nov 09 14:20:07 Hauke: you were looking into brcm2708 and 4.14 at some point .. what do you think about adding support for 4.14 without any backports as a start? so just a config-4.14, and some changes to target/linux/brcm2708/modules.mk ? Nov 09 14:22:57 maybe should check with Noltari but he seems MIA for a long time Nov 09 14:25:39 and it would be nice if we can include dtc and provide a way to generate a DT overlay based on some uci settings Nov 09 14:27:10 right now I'm having target/linux/brcm2708/patches-4.9/960-bmp280-dtbo.patch and target/linux/brcm2708/files/arch/arm/boot/dts/overlays/bme280_{i2c,spi}-sensor-overlay.dts so that I can use my BME280 sensor with iio-utils Nov 09 14:43:15 right, that wouldn't even work. upstream an rpi kernel use different dtb files, bcm27{0{8,9},10} vs bcm278{5,6,7} Nov 09 14:43:57 dt overlays soudns like a nightmare. Nov 09 14:44:03 maybe we should introduce a new bcm278x target and phase out brcm2708 Nov 09 14:44:08 no wonder people just hack around stuff in userspace. Nov 09 14:45:12 build #1084 of ipq806x/generic is complete: Failure [failed targetupload] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/ipq806x%2Fgeneric/builds/1084 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Daniel Engberg , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 15:10:20 stintel: are you talking about dt-overlay from userspace (configfs)? That's would require a patch, which is present in the current brcm2708 target but not in mainline Nov 09 15:15:11 luaraneda: something like that. right now I need to add a custom dts file and patch that in the openwrt source if I want to use my bme280 on my rpio Nov 09 15:15:30 and if I want to add more/other sensors I would have to build a new image Nov 09 15:16:00 that's not very user-friendly is it :) Nov 09 15:20:37 But the brcm2807 target (k4.9) supports dt-overlay using configfs Nov 09 15:20:43 950-0090-OF-DT-Overlay-configfs-interface.patch Nov 09 15:21:42 I've tested the k4.14 version of that patch on the zynq target and it works Nov 09 15:21:59 interesting. how does that work ? Nov 09 15:32:01 https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/511853/ Nov 09 15:32:09 Read the description for steps Nov 09 15:34:44 luaraneda: thanks! Nov 09 16:14:04 ldir: pong Nov 09 16:26:09 xback: I don't have root access on all builders so I cannot simply install zip Nov 09 16:26:15 xback: is this a new prereq? Nov 09 16:26:19 jow: no Nov 09 16:26:29 it was present in the initial version Nov 09 16:27:19 wonder why the prereq-build phase didn't bail out then Nov 09 16:27:50 because it's invoked using a system() call Nov 09 16:27:56 and the return value was ignored Nov 09 16:28:33 I mean, whenever we require a new hostutil which we do not ship/build ourselves, we should amend include/prereq-build.mk Nov 09 16:28:51 this should cause make to fail early Nov 09 16:29:03 i see .. Nov 09 16:29:29 will take care of the zip package Nov 09 16:35:05 mailed the admin of tictex-02, will install zip on the other two boxes Nov 09 16:35:29 jow: thank you! Nov 09 16:35:38 srry for all the noise at your address .. Nov 09 16:36:10 I really want all targets to build properly Nov 09 16:36:22 next week i'll take a look at the remaining gemini builds Nov 09 16:36:36 all fine Nov 09 16:37:01 really need to onboard this new machine, I think I'll do that right now Nov 09 16:47:02 Hi jow - updated https://openwrt.org/downloads to point at openwrt.org but people are finding and using https://openwrt.org/playground/downloads and don't understand why they both exist? Nov 09 16:48:42 jow: and the bonus question relates to nlbwmon - have experienced issue on first boot/upgrade that nlbwmon doesn't track ipv6 traffic - it looks like it starts before the dhcpv6-pd has occurred so I copied this from dnsmasq https://github.com/ldir-EDB0/packages/commit/209ad34279222a25b8cf22e16fec6fdd6d310f6e Nov 09 16:55:13 ldir: oh yeah, trigger would be great Nov 09 16:55:30 ldir: as for the downloads thing. what about removing the playground page and putting a redirect? Nov 09 16:57:02 ldir: I deleted the playground page and added a redirect Nov 09 16:57:21 if there was anything of interest on the old page we can get it from the history Nov 09 17:03:33 jow: great - thank you! Nov 09 19:09:02 stintel: I do not care if we use a more or less vanilla kernel or a patched one for bcm270x Nov 09 19:09:19 the official kernel on version 4.19 has only very few patches Nov 09 19:15:10 yeah, we should probably wait until 4.19 is in or after 19.01 and then add bcm283x and phase out brcm2708 so that it's aligned with upstream Nov 09 19:15:20 I'm actually trying that right now Nov 09 19:19:50 but even if we go that road we kinda need to bump brcm2708 to 4.14 Nov 09 19:19:58 how far did you get with that? Nov 09 19:24:56 I'm compiling with V=s, but kernel modules are still using V='', how to make kernel modules show all args? Nov 09 19:29:59 aah, V=c it seems Nov 09 19:30:13 or V=sc Nov 09 19:31:21 yeah, I guess so, first thing didn't do the trick Nov 09 19:38:00 so I'm trying to compile the out-of-tree rtl8812au driver, and it compiles, but it appears it #includes the wrong cfg80211.h file (I guest the 4.14 instead of the backports version)??? So it won't load properly Nov 09 20:17:33 stintel: not that far, I only rebased the patches on top of a current 4.14 kernel Nov 09 20:18:44 greearb_: have a look at other packages like this one how mac80211 is integrated: package/kernel/mwlwifi/Makefile Nov 09 20:22:40 ahh, I see Nov 09 20:23:10 I had deleted that earlier trying to debug some other things Nov 09 20:23:37 the NOSTDINC_FLAGS stuff that is Nov 09 20:28:58 greearb_: yes Nov 09 20:55:19 stintel: Hauke: i voted long time for running upstream Linux for raspberry Nov 09 20:55:30 stintel: you got all my support running as much mainlinea s possible Nov 09 20:57:03 isn't the problem that mainline requires 4.19+ ? Nov 09 20:57:10 whel we target 4.14 for release Nov 09 20:57:13 *while Nov 09 20:58:29 jow: I don't think there's a single kernel verison that magically supports raspberry Nov 09 20:58:41 support was being added over years piece by piece Nov 09 20:58:44 depends on what you need Nov 09 20:59:44 well hence my suggestion to wait for 4.19 / after 19.01 Nov 09 21:00:12 I'm trying to get vanilla 4.14 to boot on my rpi0w Nov 09 21:00:22 but I guess it won't be for today Nov 09 21:08:06 is there a sane way to enable CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT? Nov 09 21:09:50 greearb_: I would argue the only sane way is "don't do it" :) Nov 09 22:20:07 I'm having a heck of a time with BIT being double-defined somewhere ever since I started using backports includes...anyone know where the problem might be? Nov 09 22:26:23 ~missing includes? Nov 09 22:26:38 sprinkling more #ifndefs? Nov 09 22:26:45 In file included from /home/greearb/git/openwrt-neo2-dev/staging_dir/target-aarch64_cortex-a53_musl/usr/include/mac80211-backport/linux/bitops.h:3:0, Nov 09 22:26:45 from /home/greearb/git/openwrt-neo2-dev/build_dir/target-aarch64_cortex-a53_musl/linux-sunxi_cortexa53/rtl8812au-ct-2018-11-09c-acc060df/include/osdep_service_linux.h:23, Nov 09 22:26:45 from /home/greearb/git/openwrt-neo2-dev/build_dir/target-aarch64_cortex-a53_musl/linux-sunxi_cortexa53/rtl8812au-ct-2018-11-09c-acc060df/include/osdep_service.h:41, Nov 09 22:26:45 from /home/greearb/git/openwrt-neo2-dev/build_dir/target-aarch64_cortex-a53_musl/linux-sunxi_cortexa53/rtl8812au-ct-2018-11-09c-acc060df/include/drv_types.h:32, Nov 09 22:26:48 from /home/greearb/git/openwrt-neo2-dev/build_dir/target-aarch64_cortex-a53_musl/linux-sunxi_cortexa53/rtl8812au-ct-2018-11-09c-acc060df/core/rtw_cmd.c:22: Nov 09 22:26:51 ./include/linux/bitops.h:7:19: error: expected identifier before '(' token Nov 09 22:26:53 #define BIT(nr) (1UL << (nr)) Nov 09 22:26:55 something is defining it twice I guess? Nov 09 22:27:42 greearb_: You're missing a bracket Nov 09 22:27:54 I think Nov 09 22:28:01 Or not, perhaps I need new glasses Nov 09 22:28:23 that's a bug somewhere else... Nov 09 22:28:23 that error is coming from deep in linux bitops.h, I think something #defines BIT elsewhere, just can't find it Nov 09 22:28:37 my bet is a bug in an inline function in aheader file? Nov 09 22:29:08 seems like I hit this before, but I can't recall where Nov 09 22:48:36 looks like problem is that rtl driver includes a huge amount of duplicated stuff, and the include logic that allowed it to pull in backports include files is conflicting Nov 09 22:49:11 I love gcc errors, so clear :D Nov 09 22:55:13 you love people who abuse teh preprocessor... Nov 09 22:55:42 heh Nov 09 23:04:37 build #196 of at91/sama5d2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/at91%2Fsama5d2/builds/196 Nov 09 23:35:44 build #987 of imx6/generic is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/imx6%2Fgeneric/builds/987 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Daniel Engberg , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:35:48 build #1039 of ixp4xx/generic is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/ixp4xx%2Fgeneric/builds/1039 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Daniel Engberg , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:35:55 build #1064 of ar7/generic is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/ar7%2Fgeneric/builds/1064 blamelist: Rafa? 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Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:36:25 build #1132 of brcm63xx/generic is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/brcm63xx%2Fgeneric/builds/1132 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:36:29 build #767 of sunxi/cortexa53 is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/sunxi%2Fcortexa53/builds/767 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:36:33 build #250 of oxnas/ox820 is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/oxnas%2Fox820/builds/250 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:36:36 build #738 of lantiq/ase is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/lantiq%2Fase/builds/738 blamelist: Rafa? 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Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:37:10 build #890 of armvirt/32 is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/armvirt%2F32/builds/890 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:37:13 build #219 of mediatek/mt7622 is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/mediatek%2Fmt7622/builds/219 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:37:18 build #1015 of ar71xx/generic is complete: Failure [failed gcc] Build details are at http://phase1.builds.lede-project.org/builders/ar71xx%2Fgeneric/builds/1015 blamelist: Rafa? Mi?ecki , Felix Fietkau , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant Nov 09 23:53:50 oops ;-) Nov 09 23:54:10 yeah, accidentally mounted the tmpfs overlay with noexec Nov 09 23:56:01 lol Nov 10 00:33:11 ok, rtl8812au driver at least builds....plz see the email I sent to openwrt-devel if you'd like to try it out Nov 10 01:11:21 greearb_: i think i have one of those Nov 10 02:06:56 greearb_: I think the #echo "rtl8812au-ct: Nothing to configure." could be avoided (from Build/Configure) Nov 10 02:10:02 At least for normal packages you can use Build/Configure/Default, but I'm not sure it applies to all kind of packages **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 10 02:59:59 2018