**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 19 02:59:57 2019 Apr 19 07:05:42 zx2c4: thank you - shame i can't see a price. Am really tempted with an apu2 as a known turnkey solution. Apr 19 07:43:01 ldir: I'm thinking about this Fujitsu D3544-S1/S2/S3 (Gemini Lake) https://www.emkoipc.com/catalog/bundle-motherboard-case/em-160_ap_fujitsu-fujitsu-mb-d3544-s-mini-stx-0345 for home gateway and STB/multimedia center, as I would like to merge currently two separate units into one Apr 19 08:01:13 I'm still heading apu2 from linitx on the basis I can buy all the bits in one place as a kit and I'm sure it'll be fast enough. I'd had ordered by now if I understood the difference between the two products listed that are apparently the same except for price. Apr 19 08:13:30 *yawn* Apr 19 08:13:53 * blogic does not trust the good weather yet, its cheating us, bet there will be snow again tomorrow Apr 19 08:36:30 blogic: i'm going to London tomorrow Apr 19 08:36:41 22 degrees + sunny Apr 19 08:36:53 doesn't sound like London at all ;) Apr 19 09:31:21 rmilecki: dont trust it Apr 19 09:31:29 ;) Apr 19 09:31:33 rmilecki: chemtrails, they try to poison us :-D Apr 19 09:31:38 :D Apr 19 09:35:09 Indeed it is presently sunny & warm here in West London - rest assured that the unusual weather for a bank holiday weekend will cause all the roads to snarl up, the train tracks to buckle and airports to have 'the wrong sort of air' so nobody will be going anywhere Apr 19 09:35:34 ldir: you are part of conspiracy ? Apr 19 09:36:40 meanwhile there will be engineering works on the rail, roadworks on the roads etc because 'nobody travels on a bank holiday...nor do they need to get to work (ahem)' - says ldir currently at work. Apr 19 09:37:00 ah rail, i read wall ... wrong continent Apr 19 09:37:32 should not have eaten that clown for breakfast, tasted a bit chewy Apr 19 09:38:56 the M3 out of london this morning was stationary at around 09:30 - everyone heading for the south west of the country to get away.... will probably spend most of it in the car. poor sods. Apr 19 09:41:06 blogic: 1 less clown in the world - gotta be a good thing ;-) Apr 19 12:26:20 does a package update overwrite the files in the overlay? Apr 19 13:39:47 ldir: do you think I'll get from LTN to Victoria on Saturday without too terrible traffic? Apr 19 15:04:57 charolastra: only thing that changes "rom" is flashing new image Apr 19 15:45:54 rmilecki: are you driving? Apr 19 15:50:57 driving into central london is probably best avoided if possible. my sat nav says it'll take just over an hour, but I'd allow double that. Consider a train into london, then use the underground. Apr 19 16:23:46 ldir: uh, i bought ticket for National Express Apr 19 16:24:04 ldir: i'll prepare plan B with leaving bus early and taking metro then... Apr 19 16:24:07 * rmilecki is rebooting Apr 19 16:44:11 oh if you have a bus ticket (national express) all sorted then fine, I wouldn't expect it to be amazingly quick. Apr 19 18:38:00 if someone is feeling adventurous, I just added ath10k-ct 5.1 driver to the ath10k-ct project. Likely it will work best against a 5.1-ish backports package. Apr 19 19:13:14 greearb_: It compiles, boots, and association of clients works on my 988x. :) Apr 19 19:26:28 stintel: following on yesterday's discussion on high end x86 boxes, this may be a better option than saphire: Apr 19 19:26:34 https://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Embedded/M11SDV-8C-LN4F.cfm Apr 19 19:27:39 has everything for going all out: ECC, epyc chip, 4GigE, and a pcie for a 10gbps Apr 19 19:28:29 abenz: how much do those go for? and is supermicro decent (bios updates etc.)? Apr 19 19:28:49 i know the name but no idea about their price/quality ratio etc Apr 19 19:29:10 $550, highly regarded, server-grade Apr 19 19:29:18 nice Apr 19 19:29:18 ty Apr 19 19:29:27 yeah IPMI etc. ... Apr 19 19:30:09 8c/16threads passively cooled. qemu on OpenWrt finally makes sense! Apr 19 19:31:18 hehe Apr 19 19:31:33 i already got a 1800X but i'm looking forward to what Zen 2 brings Apr 19 19:32:10 i really hope AMD can get close to intel idle power efficiency levels but i reckon most people don't really care about that Apr 19 19:33:40 Borromini: it didn't make much of a difference back in Bulldozer days! I don't think it matters at all now Apr 19 19:34:03 its all marketing to hype up the difference when its negligible Apr 19 19:34:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeeGHozSY0 Apr 19 19:36:42 abenz: well... i like a low idle for my home server :) Apr 19 19:37:33 my ivy bridge runs pretty efficiently in idle but i'd like to replace it with an AMD setup. Apr 19 19:39:00 ivy-bridge can easily run at ~30 watts idle Apr 19 19:39:41 I'm trying to hould out on ivy-bridge until meltdown/ spectre are really fixed in silicon, so probably another 1-2 years Apr 19 19:40:56 you can get haswell down to ~10-12 watts idle Apr 19 19:42:08 mine was ~20W here with 1 2,5" and 2 3,5" HDs (the 3,5" ones being idle) Apr 19 19:42:51 that being said, at a certain point you end up with deviations that can be a multiple of your actual power consumption, depending on how crappy the energy meter is... Apr 19 19:43:51 I have a couple of ivy-bridge system here, I didn't get them below ~30 watts - but using 3.5" spinning rust and not the most powersaving PSUs Apr 19 19:44:04 oh i have a Seasonic Gold 360G Apr 19 19:44:15 got it because of that Apr 19 19:54:04 mamarley, what backports are you using? Apr 19 19:54:39 greearb_: 5.1, -rc3 I think. Apr 19 19:55:02 nice, thanks for testing Apr 19 19:55:08 No problem. Apr 19 19:56:16 do you have a patch to the mac80211 to allow adhoc supporting drivers to load? I had to add that in 4.20+ Apr 19 19:56:54 greearb_: I think so, a while back I was trying to get 4.20 to work and you told me to comment out a few lines in some file. Apr 19 19:57:47 ok, that makes sense then Apr 19 20:19:20 greearb_: i'll be pushing me tree to a public repor the next few days Apr 19 20:19:40 greearb_: its based on 18.06 to avoid daily instability madness Apr 19 20:19:53 blogic, awesome Apr 19 22:31:39 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Eglobal-6-Intel-Lans-Fanless-X86-Mini-PC-Core-i3-7100U-Celeron-3865U-Multi-Function-Firewall/32824644734.html Apr 19 22:31:42 instead of the supermicro stuff Apr 19 22:31:50 using the i3 7100u, which has been surpassed by the i5 7200u Apr 19 22:31:51 real low power Apr 19 22:31:56 full system is like 10-11 watts at idle? Apr 19 22:32:08 and that's running suricata in IPS mode Apr 19 22:34:48 (DEBIAN)root@rooter:/# openssl speed -elapsed -evp aes-256-cbc -multi 8 2>&1 | tail -n1 Apr 19 22:34:48 evp 1226194.72k 2110463.94k 2451176.38k 2568171.82k 2602292.97k 2612041.05k Apr 19 22:39:22 and system currently under load also Apr 19 22:44:24 Those are kinda cute. Apr 19 22:45:04 If they could just squeeze them down to 1U.. Apr 19 22:45:51 ...if only these things had two (or even three) mini-pcie slots for WLAN cards Apr 19 22:46:10 That too Apr 19 22:48:14 Strip it down to 4 NICs and add some slots, get it down to 1U.. Apr 19 22:48:46 Although personally I prefer discrete APs Apr 19 23:49:50 pkgadd: Do you happen to have a spare desk for me to plant my face in? I broke my spare. Apr 19 23:50:59 fuck wlan cards Apr 19 23:51:05 run your ap separately from your router, put it in a better spot Apr 19 23:51:08 I wouldn'tz advise my desks, too many sharp or pointy objects on there, but I'm short of walls and doors to bang my head against Apr 19 23:59:26 Monkeh, look into pcengines Apr 19 23:59:35 Mister_X: I'm aware of them. Apr 20 00:01:07 the apu2 is getting a bit long in the tooth by now (which shouldn't imply that it would be bad, but its CPU performance isn't top notch anymore) Apr 20 00:07:55 apu2 cpu performance was never top notch Apr 20 00:08:12 i switched from one to this i3-7100u a while ago and it's sooooooo much faster Apr 20 00:08:13 proper system Apr 20 00:08:38 correct, but the difference is getting more and more noticable Apr 20 00:09:27 and at least very personally, I'd also like a hdmi (or at least vga) port, even if I'd never use it after day one Apr 20 00:11:19 Off-band KVM <3 Apr 20 00:11:31 that little box i linked has video out Apr 20 00:11:35 it also has video to serial redirection Apr 20 00:11:43 which then the openwrt takes over via serial Apr 20 00:12:02 very happy w/ it Apr 20 00:13:52 yep, it's nice Apr 20 00:38:59 is there any system like pcengines with a more recent CPU? Apr 20 00:42:35 sadly small'ish, affordable'ish boards with >=2 mini-PCIe and >=2 ethernet ports are scarce, https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/09/26/roqos-core-ac-router-runs-debian-on-intel-atom-bay-trail-i-processor-for-19-plus-monthly-subscriptions/ doesn't look too bad (better than APU2, but not really a runner either - and with an unknown support state) Apr 20 00:43:37 so I guess it's better to have something slower but known to be supported Apr 20 01:09:43 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Eglobal-6-Intel-Lans-Fanless-X86-Mini-PC-Core-i3-7100U-Celeron-3865U-Multi-Function-Firewall/32824644734.html Apr 20 01:09:45 that Apr 20 01:09:59 i keep an x86 build online that supports apu2 and that box nicely Apr 20 01:11:07 nyt, it doesn't have minipci or antenna connectors Apr 20 01:12:47 yes, it does Apr 20 01:13:10 but again, best to get a separate ap, putting an ap where your router goes normally sucks, but i digress Apr 20 01:13:16 https://imgur.com/1vOKhkc Apr 20 01:14:07 https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Lll7mNTI8KJjSspiq6zM4FXaQ.jpg Apr 20 01:14:11 straight from the link even lol Apr 20 01:15:01 get some good aps like the nano-hd's or something and run debian in a chroot so you can run the unifi controller on it Apr 20 01:15:12 nyt: One! Apr 20 01:15:27 One piddly slot! Apr 20 01:15:32 so? Apr 20 01:15:57 Kinda restrictive. Apr 20 01:16:00 why? Apr 20 01:16:10 how many wifi cards do you need in your router? Apr 20 01:16:13 one is too many :/ Apr 20 01:16:17 Er, generally one per band Apr 20 01:16:33 In most APs, whether they're part of the router or not Apr 20 01:16:47 or you know, get an external ap and have a good wifi setup Apr 20 01:16:53 I'm with you on that. Apr 20 01:16:59 since everything that's mini pci and can run on openwrt is pretty much crap Apr 20 01:16:59 But in terms of flexibility, one is not enough. Apr 20 01:17:05 sure it is Apr 20 01:17:44 Nope Apr 20 01:20:24 just use a dual band card Apr 20 01:20:29 if you really want to shoot yourself in the foot Apr 20 01:20:34 A simultaneous dual band card. Apr 20 01:20:49 There's not a lot of those and they tend to be a little large. Apr 20 01:21:18 it's an exercise in futility anyway Apr 20 01:21:41 Hey, I'm just playing devil's advocate here Apr 20 01:21:52 you can get actually good access points for <100 and very good ones for ~150 Apr 20 01:22:14 thanks Apr 20 01:22:16 and have placement flexibility Apr 20 01:22:33 Mister_X: You're welcome, oh beast. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 20 02:59:56 2019