**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 23 03:00:40 2019 Aug 23 03:07:31 whoa Aug 23 03:07:42 debian killed support for big endian MIPS Aug 23 03:08:01 https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/08/msg00003.html Aug 23 03:09:03 both mips and mipsel have been in major trouble within Debian for years, horribly slow and unreliable buildds, basically no active porters Aug 23 03:14:05 Seems ath79, lantiq, and malta use big endian mips Aug 23 03:14:27 Those platforms are quite limited to begin with. Aug 23 03:18:14 the big question is rather, what kind of hardware would you run Debian/ mipsel on? Aug 23 03:19:01 afaik what they had to make do (for buildds and porterboxes) were mostly >10 year old lemote devboards, maybe some ci20 creator boards Aug 23 03:19:39 Debian/mipsel would be useful for non-router applications. Aug 23 03:19:55 qemu Aug 23 03:20:59 ath79, lantiq, ramips don't really count, while you might be able to run a Debian chroot (after enabling float emulation), there is no kernel support for either of them in Debian/proper, no d-i (installer) support, nothing - sure, it may be convenient for some development purposes, but not really for anything to actually run Debian Aug 23 03:21:02 ci20 was unusual, mips BE with a X Aug 23 03:22:04 Mister_X: qemu can just as well run on amd64/ x86, armhf or arm64 (yes, I know, emulating mips - sure, but from Debian's point of view that doesn't help the mips port at all) Aug 23 03:22:17 other than s390, there is not much stuff using BE anymore other than router Aug 23 03:22:28 pkgadd: This has fairly good mainline kernel support: https://www.crowdsupply.com/gnubee/personal-cloud-1 Aug 23 03:22:40 what endianness are cobalt qubes? Aug 23 03:23:31 mangix: that might actually be the only remotely useful hardware (for Debian, not for OpenWrt, obviously) left - and can't that run little endian as well? (sorry, not really following mt7621 closely enough) Aug 23 03:23:38 interestingly, ARM can be big endian Aug 23 03:24:14 Mister_X: can, yes - but in practice there are no big endian ARM devices left on the market (apart from old- or highly proprietary stuff) Aug 23 03:24:15 a friend of mine started doing an ARM64BE just for fun Aug 23 03:24:29 there is just no support/interest Aug 23 03:24:42 pkgadd: that thing is little endian. no change for debian. Aug 23 03:24:55 it was recently, on one of the NanoPi Aug 23 03:25:18 Mister_X: what is the benefit to big endian arm? Aug 23 03:25:31 none Aug 23 03:25:40 well then Aug 23 03:25:44 it was just a discussion, that went too far :) Aug 23 03:25:55 "would it be possible to do ARM64BE?" Aug 23 03:26:00 o.k., although I wouldn't quite paint little endian mpis' future in Debian too rosy either (I kind of assume dropping mipsel was kind of a tradeoff for keeping mips around one more cycle) Aug 23 03:26:09 turns out that yes, but it's not practical or useful Aug 23 03:27:00 pkgadd: the thing I linked to is a joke btw. It's heavily underpowered Aug 23 03:27:54 it has 6 SATA ports (36gbps max) connected to three pcie lanes (6gbps max) Aug 23 03:28:07 mangix: I know that the mt7621 gnubee isn't really a fast specimen, but it might still be among the fastest/ most reliable things that could run Debian today Aug 23 03:28:24 ...and that idea is pretty sad Aug 23 03:29:05 obviously not for running anything remotely desktop'ish Aug 23 03:30:04 I'm not sure but maybe ci20 may be able to switch to mipsel, which would mean desktop possibly Aug 23 03:30:18 they're hard to find now Aug 23 03:31:37 at least https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Imagination-Technologies/VL-62851 claims restricted availability and end of life Aug 23 03:32:25 and powervr graphics isn't quite a selling point either ;) Aug 23 03:33:16 I do have one sitting somewhere Aug 23 03:33:47 running debian 7 or 8, can't remember when I last used it Aug 23 03:34:47 weren't there quite some hardware and stability gotchas with it? I have a faint memory about such issues Aug 23 03:35:00 (but I may be wrong, didn't follow it that closely) Aug 23 03:37:26 there pretty much was zero development on the mips hardware platform since SGI went away (and SGI already had 64 bit), just recycling old cores for cheap stuff Aug 23 03:37:53 ...which worked for a surprisingly long time Aug 23 03:41:10 I wasn't using it for VR, and I don't remember any particular issue about it Aug 23 03:41:31 desktop was working well Aug 23 06:19:08 jow: thanks for you support of my work, I've just sent https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/1151976/ [PATCH 1/2] base-files: use JSON for storing firmware validation info Aug 23 06:19:40 i think it's quite nice & clean and hopefully my commit description is better this time Aug 23 06:35:49 jow: ping Aug 23 06:39:53 is librecmc like a fork of openwrt? Aug 23 06:45:53 jow: To eventually get the opkg license patch accepted, I created a CI building and testing opkg. See here https://code.fe80.eu/openwrt/opkg/-/jobs/1733 Aug 23 06:46:40 This patch is btw outdated https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/1105888/. Can I somehow control my own patches? Aug 23 11:06:12 Mister_X: talosII (power9) can run in little/big endian, and is certainly powerful enough to run a desktop.... Aug 23 11:07:29 ibm itself however is/has strategicalyl moved towards little endian on power, Aug 23 11:09:55 aparcar[m]: if you create an account you can update your own patches (a single account can even be tied to multiple email addresses) Aug 23 11:10:16 KanjiMonster: thank you Aug 23 12:04:16 Greetings, is quilt capable of creating a directory that doesn't exist? Is there a special syntax to achieve that? Aug 23 12:05:58 this might be me being ignorant, but is it so that with gpio-hog it is not possible to set the gpio to high/low from userspace? Aug 23 12:12:43 google foo failed me, I found the answer I was looking for at the answer was yes, it is not possible to change the value Aug 23 12:25:21 hi Aug 23 12:25:49 I am trying to port openwrt to my device with DTS Aug 23 12:27:27 I don't see a ftd command on uboot, so to my understanding of this, there is a special way to pass the DTS to the kernel when the uboot is not supporting DTS Aug 23 12:28:19 can anyone give me more details on this? I think this may be the reason that is preventing to boot at all Aug 23 12:30:38 msgig: if the bootloader has no fdt support, several arches have code to detect and use a dtb appended to the binary kernel Aug 23 12:37:43 my arch is ath79 Aug 23 12:38:27 so it is not a "global" solution? it's an architecture workaround? Aug 23 13:10:54 msgig: ath79 is mips, which supports (and uses) it Aug 23 13:12:13 see all the device definitions in target/linux/ath79/image/* that have "KERNEL := kernel-bin | append-dtb | ..." Aug 23 13:15:02 yes, that is exactly what I did after you mentioned the dtb appen, I was just talking about Aug 23 13:15:02 :D Aug 23 13:15:31 I'll flash it with the append-dtb and see if at least now tries to do something Aug 23 14:28:22 i want to read stdout of some app from my C code Aug 23 14:28:45 If I set target, subtarget and profile in menuconfig and do make defconfig afterwards, will config be the same as in the precompiled images or just some minimal config? Will make without futher selecting of packages etc. produce a comparable image to the official one? Aug 23 14:28:52 is there any reason to use fork() + pipe() + dup() manually instead of just popen() ? Aug 23 14:29:50 woshty: if you do "menu menuconfig" and set few options, all other options will get their default values, so extra "make defconfig" won't change anything Aug 23 14:29:51 woshty: make menuconfig will already create a fully populated .config, so defconfig does nothing anymore - and it will be more like a minimal config Aug 23 14:31:36 minimal config in regard to extra (kernel) packages, the image will include the same packages as the precompiled ones (except luci) Aug 23 14:33:10 I was going by https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-developer/build-system/use-buildsystem Aug 23 14:34:28 If anyone building the openwrt-19.07 branch? I can't get iproute2 to build and I'm dead-in-the-water because of this glitch Aug 23 14:34:31 *Is Aug 23 14:34:56 I just took a quick look but it seemed there was no kernel crypto stuff enabled .. is there information available on what I might want to set? Aug 23 14:40:55 woshty: it's built as module Aug 23 14:41:49 look for kmod-* packages in the build dir (if you build yourself you have to enable them in menuconfig) Aug 23 14:44:02 http://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/18.06.4/targets/ar71xx/generic/packages/ Aug 23 17:06:39 Quazil: in what way does it not build? Aug 23 19:22:54 does someone have an idea, why i get only scrambled output on the serial console of my APU2 running openwrt? do i need to set some kernel flag for the serial console to work? if i use Gluon, a Framework based on OpenWrt, the serial of this device works flawless Aug 23 19:28:21 what baud? Aug 23 19:32:25 whatever minicom uses as default i guess Aug 23 19:33:02 also tinycorelinux and the coreboot menu of APU2, (and already mentioned, the openwrt-based gluon image) Aug 23 19:33:07 +work Aug 23 19:34:05 i tried branches openwrt-18.06 and openwrt-19.07 so far Aug 23 20:09:27 rotanid: mine is 115200, i'd check that Aug 23 21:20:30 russell--: used 115200 explicitly, still openwrt boot showing only ??? Aug 23 21:20:47 ������������� <-- like this Aug 23 21:21:37 how'd you type that O_o Aug 23 21:21:54 it says grub loading, then something i cant read that fast and then only these characters Aug 23 21:26:00 rotanid: can you ssh in? Aug 23 21:49:03 rotanid: if so, cat /proc/cmdline Aug 23 21:49:39 mine includes "console=ttyS0,115200n8" Aug 23 22:50:09 Hello guys! Aug 23 22:50:28 Anyone of you already heard about Lantiq ar10 platform? Aug 23 22:52:00 I've got two lantiq devices. Documentation? Nada. Zilch. Aug 23 22:52:03 * hellsenberg shivers Aug 23 22:55:30 hellsenberg: zilch = no docs at all I imagine :D Aug 23 22:55:41 hellsenberg: yeah, lantiq = de Aug 23 22:55:57 exactly.ç Aug 23 22:56:21 I am left with a nice dual core with 128 MiB of RAM and 32 MiB of flash, but no Wi-Fi Aug 23 22:56:24 hellsenberg: I would like to try adding support for a Fritz!box 3272 device, EVA boot loader + lantiq ar10 platform; I am in difficulty already getting informations about it Aug 23 22:56:56 hellsenberg: but did you get openwrt running on it? Aug 23 22:57:21 128MB RAM, 128MB NAND, 0.25 MB SPI for EVA I guess Aug 23 22:59:04 russell--: will try SSH shortly. regarding GRUB, i wonder why i already dont see GRUB's menu, only "GRUB loading" Aug 23 22:59:13 [FLASH:] MACRONIX Uniform-Flash 256kB 256 Bytes WriteBuffer Aug 23 22:59:13 [FLASH:](Eraseregion [0] 4 sectors a 64kB) Aug 23 22:59:13 [NAND:] 128MB MICRON 2048 Pagesize 128k Blocksize 1024 Blocks 8Bit 1 CS HW Aug 23 22:59:16 [SYSTEM:] AR10 on 500MHz/250MHz/250MHz Aug 23 23:00:16 mrkiko: mine is an ARV7519RW22 somebody ported a long time ago Aug 23 23:00:44 hellsenberg: is the porting code available in openwrt ? Aug 23 23:00:53 * hellsenberg shrugs Aug 23 23:02:24 the DTS says VR9 platform Aug 23 23:02:30 but you confirm me it's AR10... Aug 23 23:11:09 mrkiko: I did not confirm you anything Aug 24 00:40:08 russell--: ok, cant see anything on all 3 ports with wireshark, so maybe it's not booting at all after loading grub. maybe flashing goes wrong everytime... Aug 24 02:08:54 russell--: sorry... i made a mistake and always built without -64, only x86-generic. now serial output works Aug 24 02:09:23 now i dont get why my selected packages and options are removed by make defconfig, but that's another story... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 24 02:59:57 2019