**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 02:59:57 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 04:34:50 2007 Sep 21 05:17:07 * ljp swats bugs like a bug zapper Sep 21 05:25:45 nice work Sep 21 05:29:45 * chouimat looks at the cad at over 1.0058USD Sep 21 05:30:46 one big bug left for neo... modem bonks on suspend Sep 21 05:57:12 * CM continues Sep 21 05:57:46 If I touch the green icon in the middle of the base/start/default screen, I get a green back arrow at the bottom that I can't click on Sep 21 05:58:05 And the only way to get back is to use the powerbutton to restart qtopia. Sep 21 05:58:57 It's like the touchscreen disregards all input if I click that green thing, and I don't even know what it does Sep 21 05:59:19 hmm thats odd Sep 21 05:59:48 It has happened maybe 5 times Sep 21 05:59:53 green icon in the _very_ middle, as opposed to at the bottom middle? Sep 21 06:00:02 Yes, centre Sep 21 06:00:10 And sometimes it disappears Sep 21 06:00:25 So it's just a grey area with the three buttons below Sep 21 06:00:39 hmm.. Sep 21 06:00:49 I'm at work and have the phone with me, so I can't investigate anything right now Sep 21 06:01:09 no worries Sep 21 06:01:13 Also, it's not like it crashes or anything, more like the back button doesn't have an event handler Sep 21 06:01:27 It just doesn't register touches on the touchscreen Sep 21 06:02:06 Anyway, generally it works great :) Sep 21 06:02:11 thanks Sep 21 06:02:16 Oh, another thing Sep 21 06:02:22 it'll work even better on the next update Sep 21 06:02:28 I couldn't change the audio settings Sep 21 06:02:32 But maybe that's known Sep 21 06:02:48 ya, audio is still being fixed. Sep 21 06:02:57 Ok. Sep 21 06:03:47 i need to discuss with the multimedia guys how to change handset volume on touchscreen only Sep 21 06:04:31 Also, is there any way to recieve contacts on it from another phone? Sep 21 06:04:37 and audiostate handling was broken right before i went on parental leave Sep 21 06:04:44 Ah, ok Sep 21 06:04:45 with bt Sep 21 06:05:19 I tried that, but my SEw660 couldn't find it. I'll try some more later Sep 21 06:05:45 Also, the keyboard was a bit weird. Can you turn off that autocomple stuff? Sep 21 06:05:51 autocomplete Sep 21 06:06:14 no, thats whow it works. it is really fast once you get used to it Sep 21 06:06:18 how Sep 21 06:06:33 Guess my problem was that I tried to type in swedish names.. ;) Sep 21 06:06:45 ahh.. ya.. languages.. Sep 21 06:07:06 But I don't mind being named Claws instead of Claes :D Sep 21 06:07:08 suppose there should at least be another kaypad with those extended characters on it Sep 21 06:07:28 oh.. the dictionary lookup Sep 21 06:07:49 Or if you hold down on a you can drag to å or ä maybe Sep 21 06:07:58 you can press and hold to select just one character Sep 21 06:08:14 I noticed that after a while, made it a lot easier Sep 21 06:08:35 The ui in general felt pretty fast Sep 21 06:09:01 And ok to use even with fingers if you have some nails left. Sep 21 07:34:16 I kept typing mom and it kept thinking I meant Jim. Sep 21 07:34:36 I did it twice, so my mom's phone entry is now JimJim. Sep 21 07:39:43 hmmm Sep 21 07:50:12 I could make a movie; maybe I'm doing something wrong. Sep 21 07:50:29 I don't really think so, though. Sep 21 07:57:01 you can press and hold to tell it a letter Sep 21 07:57:20 i wonder why mom isnt in the dictionary Sep 21 07:57:25 or if Sep 21 08:00:28 hello all Sep 21 08:01:53 hi Sep 21 08:03:35 your quite right about mom<>Jim Sep 21 08:04:58 ljp : about my modem issue, i ve cleaned your fic code, desactivate QphoneBook and other claas, just keep QModemService, but doesn't boot more. Sep 21 08:05:27 mommy is in there though, at least US Sep 21 08:08:37 Can I, like, turn it off now? Sep 21 08:08:45 My name isn't going to be in there either. Sep 21 08:08:55 I couldn't figure out how to disable it from the languages menu. Sep 21 08:10:13 you cant really. thats just how the predictive keyboard works Sep 21 08:16:50 there needs to be help files for it Sep 21 10:33:43 Hello, everyone. Sep 21 10:34:11 I'm playing with qtopia on openmoko... and would like to be able to still run my scripts. Is there easy way to add custom entries to the menus? Sep 21 11:07:25 pavelm2: Maybe ask ljp, or someone in #qtopia Sep 21 11:08:10 pavelm2: Heh, sorry Sep 21 11:08:29 * CM doesn't know what channel he's in Sep 21 11:11:53 Thanks for support, CM :-) Sep 21 11:14:24 * CM hides in the corner Sep 21 11:16:06 unfortunately ljp hides in the corner, too ;-) Sep 21 11:31:08 pavelm2: it's 9:30pm in this part of the world (where ljp lives) Sep 21 11:33:31 s/lives/hides/ :P Sep 21 11:33:36 rwhitby: Aha, ouch, I did not realize that. I somehow assumed him to be norway-based. Sep 21 11:36:47 Nope, Brisbane. Where I went to Uni. Sep 21 11:37:04 (many year ago :-( ) Sep 21 11:40:56 Do you know... is there easy way to compile qtopia/phone edition so that it runs under X? Sep 21 11:42:18 Brisbane.... sounds like far away from me. Sep 21 11:43:50 ...yep. Pretty much the other side of world. Sep 21 11:58:06 pavelm2: as far as I know, there is not. it doesn't use X at all - it has it's own low-level windowing system. Sep 21 12:00:21 rwhitby: I hoped for some sdl-like layer where I can hook. Running it in one separate window under X would be good enough. Sep 21 12:00:28 I believe it would need to be rewritten to run on top of X, and I doubt that they would want to do that (since it would slow it down, and the UI for qtopia doesn't use overlapping windows, so the original motivation (back in 1984) for X server is not really required. Sep 21 12:00:51 rwhitby: And I wonder how they develop qtopia/phone... there must be some way to run it under X :-). Sep 21 12:03:47 pavelm2: you can run qpe in a virtual framebuffer (qvfb) that runs under X Sep 21 12:06:28 jott: thanks! Sep 21 12:07:35 see also http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/qtopiacore-envvars.html Sep 21 12:08:07 s/4.2/4.3/ Sep 21 12:08:28 jott: so it should be possible to get qvfb running on neo, then share screen with openmoko. good.' Sep 21 12:08:56 yes this should be possible - on the other hand it might be a bit slow ;) Sep 21 12:10:26 jott: neo is fast enough for debian/X/python. So this should be ok. Sep 21 12:15:47 for qtopia2 there was also an simple X server so with some effort it could work the otherway around ;) Sep 21 12:18:03 jott: Hmm, that actually sounds interesting, too. Sep 21 12:18:25 jott: Do you have any pointers? Sep 21 12:18:26 http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/ <- thats the old site.. Sep 21 12:19:02 and http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/porting.html :) Sep 21 12:20:30 Hehe, ok, I think I'll just run qtopia on tty1 and X on tty2 or something. Sep 21 12:20:34 :) Sep 21 12:20:40 Anyway, I have to go out, weather is too nice. Sep 21 12:20:51 yeah indeed Sep 21 12:20:58 20C here Sep 21 12:21:04 and sunshine Sep 21 12:25:23 Jott only 20 C it is 25C here lol and sea is clear ;) Sep 21 12:25:25 hi Jott Sep 21 13:33:51 ljp: pavelm isn't online at the moment, but he had a question for you before Sep 21 13:33:54 12:31 I'm playing with qtopia on openmoko... and would like to be able to still run my scripts. Is there easy way to add custom entries to the menus? Sep 21 13:34:05 Any pointer? :) Sep 21 14:21:48 ljp: re modem hanging on suspend: I've spent way too much time in the gsm power-on code and serial driver code lately; I'll be happy to help if possible. Sep 21 14:23:07 You might see if the kernel patch attached to bug 788 changes anything; that problem fixes the flow-control lockups that occur with the device. Sep 21 14:23:37 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 Sep 21 14:32:33 rohanpm/ljp: has the application shortcuts moved into the sqlite db? or does it still work to add .desktop files to /opt/Qtopia/apps? (/home/Updates/apps on the 4.3 image) ? Sep 21 14:44:52 * bipolar greets all Sep 21 14:59:44 morning Sep 21 15:45:06 morning Sep 21 16:09:43 hello chouimat Sep 21 16:10:05 jott do you have your theme link to show to cr2 ? Sep 21 16:20:49 * chouimat|ibook wonders what is happening with his gp Sep 21 19:02:15 * bipolar glances over at ljp and smiles Sep 21 19:03:00 * chouimat|ibook tries to stay awake Sep 21 19:07:58 torarne: yes, the .desktop files get 'placed' in the db, and live there Sep 21 19:23:11 hi ljp Sep 21 19:23:35 ljp: it seem that qtopiacomm already handle atv0 response from modem Sep 21 19:25:01 ljp: so my problem is somewhere else for this silly segfault :( i rewrite a clean modem with MutltiIOMultiplexer instead of the one you use for FIC, because on BA GPRS is on ttyS8 and modem ttyS0 Sep 21 19:29:09 ahh, ok. look at devices/omap730/custom.h Sep 21 19:29:43 QTOPIA_MUX_DATA_DEVICE Sep 21 19:29:47 brb Sep 21 19:29:48 i think Sep 21 19:35:38 ljp: http://pastebin.ca/706280 this is the log, i think i ve done correct thing until here Sep 21 19:36:04 segfault occur just after IRDA devices Sep 21 19:38:07 ljp: and here the kernel trace http://pastebin.ca/706286 Sep 21 19:38:37 i think i found why it segfault ;) AT+CSCS is HEX, What is FIC return ? Sep 21 19:57:45 BabelO: Neo GSM says: +CSCS: "IRA" Sep 21 20:00:13 mwester: thanks ;) Sep 21 20:00:48 mwester: my ba setup is from wince and is set to HEX, but is ddoes not explain the segfault Sep 21 20:20:41 hmmm Sep 21 20:20:43 UI : ThemeLayoutItem::paint has been called, a ThemeLayoutItem subclass is missing an implementation of paint? Sep 21 21:22:32 ljp : ah ah i know how can i advance now... hard to find :) Sep 21 21:43:42 which theme are you using? the default? Sep 21 21:59:29 ljp: me ? yes the default one Sep 21 21:59:49 ljp: it seem if i use command that just return OK or ERROR it works Sep 21 22:00:47 ljp : for exemple if i comment call for pollbattery (AT+CBC), it work to next command CSCS and then to next command CFUN Sep 21 22:02:08 so i think it is something related to command with response Sep 21 22:08:49 hmm Sep 21 22:12:52 :( sniff Sep 21 22:31:40 ok, i ve tried with QTOPIA_PHONE_MUX=no , qtpoia don't segfault but stop on script with lock icon and message Please Wait ... Sep 21 22:40:33 we havent really done anything with the mux stuff Sep 21 22:42:08 ljp: ok, i just use it to set my line disciokine to use modem Sep 21 22:45:05 ljp: this is my multiplexer plugin http://pastebin.ca/706493 Sep 21 22:55:02 thats all we use it for currently Sep 22 01:22:01 ljp: thanks. so does .desktop files in the filesystem compliment the db, or is the db the only way to add application shortcuts? if so, is there a sane way to edit that information? just vi'ing the .desktop files was pretty neat when debugging :) Sep 22 02:31:17 torarne: the package manager will install applications, but they have to be qpk and in a http feed. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 22 02:59:56 2007