**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 25 02:59:56 2007 Sep 25 03:00:07 it use some low quality materials Sep 25 03:00:29 but the phone software is rather cool Sep 25 03:00:40 My understanding is that it's more of a developers machine then a daily use phone. Sep 25 03:00:51 sure Sep 25 03:01:03 personaly, I can't wait for the Openmoko to be released w/ wifi Sep 25 03:01:20 you want to buy greenphone now? Sep 25 03:01:26 haha... Sep 25 03:01:48 I just want to ask if someone encounter my problem too Sep 25 03:02:08 if not,I may have to modify the mini USB socket Sep 25 03:02:31 the copper contact don't touch well with the USB cable Sep 25 03:02:38 I guess this is the reason Sep 25 03:02:54 but I'd better to see if others encounter this problem too Sep 25 03:03:11 development board is easy to modify Sep 25 03:03:20 but mobile phone hardware is hard to modify Sep 25 03:03:49 it's small and the case can't be opened Sep 25 03:04:22 I'm trying to find a easy way to check my guess and modify the USB socket Sep 25 03:21:13 Yep definatly quiet in here. :) Sep 25 03:22:26 * bipolar yawns Sep 25 03:22:29 gnight all! Sep 25 03:22:46 here is dead quiet Sep 25 03:23:07 only you and me alive here Sep 25 03:33:27 izico: tried a different cable? Sep 25 03:33:39 no the cable is good Sep 25 03:34:06 b/c my WinCE mobile phone is good with the same USB cable Sep 25 03:34:58 I have three USB cable Sep 25 03:35:24 one USB recharger USB cable come with greenphone Sep 25 03:35:38 one USB recharger cable some with my WinCE phone Sep 25 03:36:02 one USB sync cable come with the greenphone Sep 25 03:36:17 all the three cable works well with my WInCE phone Sep 25 03:36:31 all the three cables don't work with my greenphone Sep 25 03:36:36 how are you concluding that the greenphone is not charging? Sep 25 03:36:41 so I guess it's surely the problem on greenphone Sep 25 03:37:13 yes,the battery status on home screen is always green Sep 25 03:37:39 it should be flash in orange and green if it's recharging Sep 25 03:39:31 It may be charging and the UI is incorrect Sep 25 03:40:01 no,I works for 10 days by now after I get it Sep 25 03:40:40 I don't think the s/w can fail so suddenly without any modification Sep 25 03:40:46 hmm Sep 25 03:40:55 I agree Sep 25 03:41:15 but I should find a easy way to check the USB connection. Sep 25 03:41:35 any good idea about it? Sep 25 03:43:12 no, sorry Sep 25 03:44:10 actually... attach the phone to your PC, then run lsusb (from linux) Sep 25 03:44:34 lsusb shows nothing about greenphone Sep 25 03:44:44 does it show something like "Prototype product Vendor ID" ? Sep 25 03:44:51 lsusb shows my WinCE phone as Microsoft phone Sep 25 03:45:15 Greenphone appears as "6666:0001 Prototype product Vendor ID" Sep 25 03:45:28 I know lsusb Sep 25 03:45:46 I'm a developer but a mere user Sep 25 03:46:43 well clearly :-) i'm just pointing out that the greenphone won't actually appear as "greenphone" in lsusb output Sep 25 03:47:06 I develop with my gentoo host but in vmware virtual machine Sep 25 03:47:23 so any problem regarding to virtual machine can never happen Sep 25 03:48:01 the greenphone usb just don't show in my /proc/bus/usb device list Sep 25 03:48:32 so it's clear that the USB don't work,the problem is just where';s the problem Sep 25 03:48:55 as the USB charger don't show up on greenphone home screen Sep 25 03:49:20 so I'm rather sure that the mini USB socket on greenphone don't contact well with the USB cable Sep 25 03:49:36 that's my reasoning process Sep 25 03:50:31 that could be the case. all I can say is that i've handled quite a few greenphones and haven't seen this problem. Sep 25 03:50:33 now I need to find a easy way to check the problem is caused by the wire contact in USB socket. Sep 25 03:50:42 oh? Sep 25 03:50:50 I should think more now Sep 25 03:53:08 have you good advice on how I check the USB contact? Sep 25 03:55:38 Another sign Sep 25 03:56:35 If the USB recharger works,the greenphone should be automatically boot when the USB recharger is connected Sep 25 03:57:02 but my greenphone don't boot when I connect the USB recharger cable to it Sep 25 03:57:38 it should be a indication that the contact is bad? Sep 25 03:57:58 and another Sep 25 03:59:15 if I boot when the USB recharger is connected,it should show a picture to say that the greenphone is in charging? Sep 25 03:59:17 right? Sep 25 03:59:52 but my phone boot normally without showing the recharge indication when the recharger is connected. Sep 25 04:00:12 You've never encountered this problem by now? Sep 25 04:02:14 no, I haven't had that problem... I have seen other charging problems though... Sep 25 04:03:36 does all the above that I've said show that the USB connection hardware is in problem? Sep 25 04:04:10 I suspect the USB connection hardware mostly now Sep 25 04:06:10 I don't have the experience to say, but it sounds reasonable for that to be the problem Sep 25 04:06:24 I'm just naturally more suspicious of software than hardware Sep 25 04:06:40 it may be Sep 25 04:06:50 but as it works yesterday Sep 25 04:07:23 it works yesterday when I shutdown my host machine Sep 25 04:08:06 but I don't shutdown the greenphone and don't leave the USB sync cable from greenphone Sep 25 04:08:34 and today,when I begin to work on it,the ethernet don't work Sep 25 04:09:10 so I checked Sep 25 04:09:30 it may software problem,but it's very unlikely this time. Sep 25 04:09:54 but it can still be software problem Sep 25 04:11:03 I can try usbflash now to check if it's software problem? Sep 25 04:11:13 usbflash is written in bootloader Sep 25 04:11:31 it should work always if there's no hardware problem Sep 25 04:11:43 as the bootloader is never changed. Sep 25 04:11:48 yeah,I'll try now Sep 25 04:12:01 I can't imagine usbflash would work if the phone doesn't appear in lsusb Sep 25 04:12:47 no,the usb gadgets kernel module may not work Sep 25 04:12:59 it may be the case Sep 25 04:13:21 ah, true Sep 25 04:14:20 the first time,it don't work Sep 25 04:20:24 hi rohan, Sep 25 04:20:31 the usbflash don't work Sep 25 04:20:55 it's clearly a problem with the USB hardware Sep 25 04:21:33 but I've open the back cover of greenphone Sep 25 04:22:36 the 5 USB wire is bare uncovered Sep 25 04:23:58 I have no idea when it comes to hardware Sep 25 04:25:41 oh,that's easy,I just need to find a multimeter now Sep 25 04:26:26 you just use the multimeter to check if the cable is connected,that's very easy Sep 25 04:26:40 just my own multimeter is lost recently Sep 25 04:26:56 so I may have to buy a new one or borrow from others now Sep 25 04:27:11 whatever the cast,thank you very much Sep 25 04:27:35 you say you have handled a lot greenphone? Sep 25 04:27:40 how can be the case? Sep 25 04:28:00 I work for Trolltech Sep 25 04:28:01 I've thought that greenphone is only used by developers? Sep 25 04:28:23 oh,I know now Sep 25 04:29:05 trolls are generally polite and responsive guys/girls Sep 25 04:29:17 I'm glad you think so Sep 25 04:29:24 I love trolltech and qt and qtopia Sep 25 04:30:14 but I think yuhua really don't make the hardware very good Sep 25 04:31:06 but it still exceeds my expectation of a development board Sep 25 04:31:53 thank you,rohan,I'll try to find a multimeter today to find the reason Sep 25 04:32:31 and I'll report this bug to you when it's solved to give you more bug reports Sep 25 04:34:00 thanks Sep 25 04:37:56 imy original gp had this problem. it was returned Sep 25 04:38:08 or developed this problem over time Sep 25 04:38:14 really? Sep 25 04:38:27 ya Sep 25 04:38:33 the problem is caused by the mini USB socket? Sep 25 04:38:37 usb connector became too loose Sep 25 04:38:44 yes,I guess so Sep 25 04:39:16 have you idea about how I modify the USB connector? Sep 25 04:39:49 I want to make the the copper contact protrude more Sep 25 04:41:58 if it's possible for me to change the mini USB connector? Sep 25 04:44:35 dunno Sep 25 04:45:32 it's many days for me to return the phone and get the new one Sep 25 04:45:38 I can't wait Sep 25 04:47:30 ya, sorry. we had plenty of extras :) Sep 25 04:47:56 you mean I can return it back and get a new one? Sep 25 04:48:07 how long will it take? Sep 25 04:48:52 you would have to email support Sep 25 04:49:30 I'm in china,how long will it take? Sep 25 04:49:44 the phone should be made in China,I think. Sep 25 04:50:21 it should be a short time if mail directly from China. Sep 25 04:50:23 not sure, they may ship to china from china Sep 25 04:50:42 ok,what's the email? Sep 25 04:50:55 support@trolltech.com? Sep 25 04:50:57 ya Sep 25 04:51:07 ok,I'll write a mail to them now Sep 25 04:51:11 thanks,lorn Sep 25 04:51:16 no worries Sep 25 04:53:24 BTW,lorn,can you send me the bootloader and the update instructions? Sep 25 04:54:38 and if there's possibility to check problem other than the USB ethernet gadget? Sep 25 04:55:26 that's,if there's some other ports for me to debug gp? such as a mini COM port? Sep 25 04:55:54 now the USB don't work,I have no any means to communicate with gp Sep 25 06:57:03 morning Sep 25 11:47:25 hi Sep 25 12:41:08 someone around ? Sep 25 12:41:17 ljp around ? Sep 25 12:59:50 hello ljp - u here? Sep 25 13:00:38 CM thinks you are the right one to ask about modem stuff on qtopia Sep 25 13:01:24 RalphEichelberge: Hmm.. Stupid of me. He's in .au, so probably asleep by now Sep 25 13:02:06 uh i see Sep 25 13:10:26 CM you speak about modem on Fic phone ? Sep 25 13:29:39 is there anywhere I can get help with QT? Sep 25 13:30:06 Taffy-nay: yes you can make a web browser ;-) Sep 25 13:30:13 Taffy-nay you are in right channel for qt embedded Sep 25 13:30:29 Also a file explorer Sep 25 13:30:48 There is some basic allredy in the qtopia help browser Sep 25 13:30:54 BabelO0: Yes Sep 25 13:30:59 QT==Quick Time , Qt == Qt :) Sep 25 13:31:12 Taffy-nay: there's also #qt, for general Qt topics Sep 25 13:31:15 morning btw ;) Sep 25 13:31:19 goxboxlive: i started a webkit port ;) Sep 25 13:31:30 BabelO0: And accessing it whith qtopia works, but gsmd in OpenMoko can't handle it Sep 25 13:31:30 CM fix have a ti calypso like HTC Blueangel Sep 25 13:31:35 j0ttsonds great Sep 25 13:31:47 * chouimat still waits Sep 25 13:31:52 I'm looking for desktop QT help....i'm a little confused about what to do next following construction of an app from end Sep 25 13:32:05 BabelO0: Ah, ok. Thanks Sep 25 13:32:07 *front end Sep 25 13:32:11 CM last time i try openmoko, i used -F to force hardware flow control else nothing working for me :( Sep 25 13:32:16 Taffy-nay: you might be better asking in #qt, then Sep 25 13:32:35 I know of bug 788 in OM Sep 25 13:32:42 And 256 Sep 25 13:32:44 is it also on freenode? Sep 25 13:32:57 i could only find ~qt-fr Sep 25 13:32:58 yup Sep 25 14:26:44 good morning Sep 25 14:27:21 hi bipolar Sep 25 14:28:29 hm i suppose fullscreen support is still broken in 4.3? (even more broken than in 4.2?!) Sep 25 14:34:28 really messy..it seems one has to use setWindowTitle("_allow_on_top_"); now .. i guess i'll file a bugreport ;) Sep 25 14:34:42 hey guys! - where can i get a qtopia development enviroment? Sep 25 14:35:33 kdevelop Sep 25 14:37:18 and get the source package and run "sudo scripts/greenphone-make-sdk.sh --sdk" .. Sep 25 14:37:25 there is no "official" sdk yet Sep 25 14:37:29 (for 4.3) Sep 25 14:39:13 hi jott Sep 25 14:39:26 hi BabelO0 Sep 25 14:41:50 jott it seem in qtopia 4.3.0 that 3 at command are executed before phonevendor modem plugin initialize Sep 25 14:44:17 mh dunno.. the simulator says "AT+CMUX=0,0,5,31 : AT+CGMI : AT+CBC : AT+CSCS? :....." if it helps ;) Sep 25 14:45:48 jottAT+CMU is part of multiplexer code, but, with snapshot i ve no CGMI, and CBC + CSCS are comming from qtopiaphonemodem library not from modem initialization plugin :( Sep 25 14:49:10 hello Sep 25 14:50:31 ok and how can i communicate with the gsm modem directly with qtopia image fashed? Sep 25 14:50:59 is there i thing like cu? Sep 25 14:51:25 http://sse2.net/webkit02.png hehe i can now enter stuff in forms ;) Sep 25 14:52:17 still alot of work to do :( Sep 25 14:53:30 jott it look nice ;) i ve a google talk working client on my part ;) Sep 25 14:55:11 hehe yeah well.. i suppose its a bit stupid to surf on 40° rotated sites ;) but the sliders on top rotate and zoom :) Sep 25 14:56:25 hehe on the other hand on a neo you could always align the site to the horizon ,) Sep 25 15:07:10 BabelO0: i wonder if one can exploit the QContactModel to store IM information.. Sep 25 15:11:42 ....AND where can i get the qtopia sources? Sep 25 15:11:54 ftp.trolltech.com Sep 25 15:12:02 thx jott Sep 25 15:12:21 qtopia/snapshots it is.. Sep 25 15:13:21 * jott wishes there was a way to see the changes between the daily snapshots without downloading/extracting/diffing them Sep 25 15:13:52 jott: you can use rsync for 4.2.5 :) Sep 25 15:13:59 ;p Sep 25 15:14:18 I'm suprised there isn't an anonymous svn Sep 25 15:14:37 bipolar: rsync is ok Sep 25 15:15:33 chouimat: yeah, it's better then tar.gz snapshots :) Sep 25 15:16:50 * chouimat goes back to his desktop sound and nfs/smb share problems ... Sep 25 15:17:38 the rsync tree really could be bumped to 4.3 ;) Sep 25 15:39:01 daily snapshot for 2409 fails with this http://paste.kodos.de/index.php?paste=484 Sep 25 15:39:05 familiar to anyone? Sep 25 15:42:23 yieks that looks bad - and no i've not seen this (with 2209 and they just changed the emailclient) Sep 25 15:43:20 maybe somthing stupid, like out of diskspace? Sep 25 15:50:42 6gb free Sep 25 15:50:49 whack Sep 25 16:16:37 hello Sep 25 16:17:30 Why do qtopia developers not use d-bus for communication with hardware? Sep 25 18:11:12 because hardware doesnt use dbus Sep 25 18:11:23 hi ljp Sep 25 18:11:26 hi Sep 25 18:11:55 4.3 looks indeed good :-) I have phone working hlfways with universal :-) Sep 25 18:12:10 jott: fullscreen is fixed in 4.3 Sep 25 18:12:16 I have problems makeing calls, but receive works. Sep 25 18:12:29 hmmm Sep 25 18:12:39 well, thats half good, then Sep 25 18:12:42 ALso another strange thing Sep 25 18:13:03 ok. there is driver in kernel, what's needed do for working with it throw d-bus? Sep 25 18:13:04 When i send a sms to my universal it doesnt detect a incomming sms before i restart Qtopia Sep 25 18:13:12 yes absolute Sep 25 18:15:06 goxboxlive: odd Sep 25 18:15:39 step2back: we talk directly to the hardware. qtopia runs on more than 2.6 kernel too Sep 25 18:15:55 ljp: when you build with helix. Wich helix source do you use? Our is failing with the 4.2.1 version. SO we have to copy the helix directory from Qtopia-4.2.4 and use that one. Sep 25 18:16:46 I want to use qtopia at my Palm LifeDrive instead opie or gpe Sep 25 18:17:03 goxboxlive: I will tell them they need to update the helix sources Sep 25 18:17:12 ljp: good Sep 25 18:18:43 step2back: although it might be good to research hardware dbus a bit more Sep 25 18:19:05 qtopia doesnt rely on dbus. you can configure it with or without Sep 25 19:25:26 ljp: fullscreen only works if the window title is "_allow_on_top_" .. see src/server/windowmanagment.cpp line 325... Sep 25 19:26:13 atleast the menu/status will overlay when the title is different.. Sep 25 19:27:30 i don't see why it works for the qdialog based calibrate.. i reproduced the window flags/settings there and still it's does not seem to work Sep 25 20:17:25 jott: it should work if you have set the window flags Sep 25 20:19:56 and the window caption Sep 25 20:20:14 the window caption is the 'backdoor' to having a full screen app Sep 25 20:21:54 Hiya everyone! whats the good word? Sep 25 20:22:11 calibrate works because it is 'known' - its part of the server Sep 25 20:26:15 ljp: why there has to be a "backdoor"? Sep 25 20:26:42 shouldn't that be handled by a windowstate/flag Sep 25 20:27:54 at least it is not very obvious ;) Sep 25 21:06:17 jott: not sure. I'll ask Sep 25 21:09:14 * bipolar begins learning the intracacies of ip routing tables. AKA: how to fsck up your entire network with one command. Sep 25 21:11:41 ha Sep 25 21:12:01 bipolar: ip route add default via 127.0.0.1 dev lo ? ;) Sep 25 21:12:29 jott: nah just screw up the router routing table ;) Sep 25 21:13:29 * chouimat goes back to the most boring thing he can do ... write a fscking cover letter Sep 25 21:14:20 :) Sep 25 21:15:01 chouimat: yep... thats the one I'm talking about :) Sep 25 21:15:29 bipolar: I hate writing those ... and since I have to write it in english it will take me more time ... well in french it would take me as long and I would have more problem to check the grammar :) Sep 25 21:15:50 chouimat: :) Sep 25 21:16:27 ok I think I have a good point: for (;;) cout <<"Iwant the job"< chouimat: Hello! Attachments: Foo, Bar Regards, bye! :) Sep 25 21:16:38 jott: haha Sep 25 21:17:08 at least it will draw a little bit of attention ;) Sep 25 21:17:56 bah! dont use cout! qWarning()<<"I want a job"; Sep 25 21:18:12 ljp: true it's for a Qt related job Sep 25 21:18:15 hehe indeed cout is evil ;) Sep 25 21:18:49 or better yet - qLog(Money)<<"I want the job!"; Sep 25 21:19:55 jott: the job seems to be interesting: Qt, work from home, get a new workstation with an executive desk and new chair, and a shit load of money :) Sep 25 21:20:06 nice Sep 25 21:20:18 hehe if it wasn't for the new chair ;) Sep 25 21:20:29 but sounds nice indeed Sep 25 21:20:40 forgot full benefits too ;) Sep 25 21:20:57 "Work Environment: We will custom build a work station to your specifications with an executive desk and ergonomic chair of your choice. " Sep 25 21:20:58 i couldnt waork from hiome because my 2 year keeps grabbing my right arm, throwing the mouse and keyboard onto the floor, Sep 25 21:21:22 ljp: my cat does this too ... Sep 25 21:21:43 yeah let the cat do the serious work ;) Sep 25 21:21:59 ya but a cat you can lock outside Sep 25 21:22:43 ljp: plastic zip ties work good as handcuffs Sep 25 21:23:20 ljp: but wrap them in cloth first if you don't want to leave any marks Sep 25 21:23:39 ljp: my sister's boyfriend is trying to write his PhD thesis ... and my niece doesn't want him to do write it ;) Sep 25 21:31:09 ttyl, everyone Sep 25 21:34:26 hm tt secretly updated the gpl exceptions in qtopias qtopiacore tree - it now includes the eclipse public license ...hmm Sep 25 21:36:08 * jott wonders why this is not published as far as he can see :p Sep 25 21:47:43 jott: because the marketing drones and lawyers want their share of the spotlight too ;) Sep 25 21:49:45 hehe possibly... but this finally should make the qt swt bindings "legal" ;) Sep 25 21:50:16 and eclipse will finally look good Sep 25 21:50:38 yeah and not crash due to gtk sickness ;) Sep 25 21:51:03 grrrrrr I hate cover letters ... Sep 25 21:51:53 maybe they work on the bindings in a secret labs and announce a full qt eclipse soon .. it would be the next logical step after jambi and the qt integration ;) Sep 25 21:54:02 man qt makes things so easy when you know how ;) just realized that the qgraphicsitem paint has an exposedRect in the qstyleoptiongraphicsitem (what a classname) Sep 25 21:56:27 that was a real speed bump :) Sep 25 21:56:38 hello rohanpm Sep 25 21:56:46 ahoy jott Sep 25 22:19:25 * mwester reads jott's qgraphicsitem paint line... Sep 25 22:19:40 * mwester uncrosses his eyes, and mutters something about the benefits of assembly language... Sep 25 22:20:12 * mwester or at least mixed case! Sep 25 22:20:53 * chouimat swears ... in french (quebec dialect) Sep 25 22:20:54 haha yeah my client has an integrate tolower() :p Sep 25 22:21:33 chouimat: they have some good phrases, too! Sep 25 22:21:49 mwester yup ... Sep 25 22:22:18 There was the French I learned in High School, and the French I learned in the parking lot :D Sep 25 22:22:47 BTW, good luck on the job. Sep 25 22:22:50 I thought taking a shower will bring back the inspiration but ... not it wasn't the case .... calice de tabarnack de ciboire du calvert du crisse de tabarnack du calice Sep 25 22:23:16 mwester you mean the last part of the previous sentence? Sep 25 22:24:48 adn then theres celine dion Sep 25 22:25:59 ljp: we had to respond to the election of GWB :) Sep 25 22:30:56 hmm.. good thinkin' Sep 25 22:33:41 ljp: any idea what this is: http://paste.kodos.de/index.php?paste=484 (latest snapshot, configure -device greenphone) Sep 25 22:35:31 ljp: any plan for qtopia 4.3.0 rsync? Sep 25 22:35:56 chouimat: dunno Sep 25 22:36:18 rohanpm might know Sep 25 22:36:47 anyway I'm still waiting for the replacement unit Sep 25 22:36:51 torarne: looks like there is a compiler bug Sep 25 22:37:04 ljp, hello Sep 25 22:37:27 ljp: compiled in vanilla 4.2.4 SDK Sep 25 22:37:43 hmm Sep 25 22:37:52 licksjp: hiya Sep 25 22:39:12 ill try the snapshot from the 22. Sep 25 22:44:21 torarne: that particular source file hasn't changed since 4.3.0 was released Sep 25 22:44:36 (qscriptcontext_p.cpp) Sep 25 22:54:35 fuck, i lost one of my contact lenses Sep 25 22:54:39 it just popped out Sep 25 22:55:14 been there.. done that. what I really hate is when it gets lost in your eye Sep 25 22:55:43 yeah, that happens all the time, so i was thinking that was the case now Sep 25 22:56:11 but i've been looking for 10 minutes now, and no lens, so i conluded i must have dropped it on the floor or in the sink Sep 25 22:56:20 but maybe its still up there Sep 25 23:01:28 i should start using day lenses instead of these year lenses, to cut my costs when i mess up :) Sep 25 23:03:38 year lenses?? won't that make your eyes bloodshot practically all the time? Sep 25 23:07:05 actually no, they are wery thin and breathe very well Sep 25 23:08:01 but in situations like this i wish i could just open a new pair, instead of crawling on the floor **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 26 02:59:56 2007