**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 01 02:59:56 2007
Oct 01 03:27:56 <sagacis> ljp, if you are around, why does qpe peg the processor at startup for a while? 
Oct 01 03:31:22 <ljp> not sure. 
Oct 01 03:31:26 <ljp> i can look into it
Oct 01 03:31:51 <ljp> will probably update the neo image once we get suspend working
Oct 01 03:31:54 <sagacis> Just thought you might like to know.  Where's the log file?
Oct 01 03:32:04 <sagacis> Sure.  I'm not using the image, just the /opt
Oct 01 03:34:09 <ljp> hmm. not sure when i will update the dev rootfs
Oct 01 03:35:28 <sagacis> I can always extract it from the jffs2
Oct 01 03:36:18 <sagacis> qpe maxed the CPU for 7:43.  It's done now.  The phone is running as expected.
Oct 01 03:37:15 <ljp> ya seeing that
Oct 01 03:39:59 <sagacis> I'll run qtopia tomorrow, it looks like, for testing.  I did an ipkg upgrade and now my moko xserver won't start. :(
Oct 01 09:06:27 * ScaredyCat tickles ljp
Oct 01 10:39:18 <BabelO> hi
Oct 01 11:12:28 <goxboxlive> hi BabelO
Oct 01 11:54:26 <BabelO> hi goxboxlive
Oct 01 11:59:06 <jott> hello
Oct 01 12:08:05 <BabelO> hey jott, how did you publish your qtopia qipk files ? do you need some package like dbus-glib too ?
Oct 01 12:09:51 <goxboxlive> BabelO still there?
Oct 01 12:10:12 <BabelO> goxboxlive : yes ;)
Oct 01 12:10:15 <goxboxlive> ljp: any news about Helix?
Oct 01 12:11:51 <BabelO> goxboxlive : : to look at your power management issue, you can do like me on BA, build all peripheral as module start a console with command  watch `cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now -t 1` and unload modules one by one
Oct 01 12:13:05 <goxboxlive> BabelO did you get any further with the phone on BA yesterday?
Oct 01 12:13:13 <goxboxlive> BabelO Ok.
Oct 01 12:15:19 <BabelO> goxboxlive : now, it is crazzy, have always problem, i think you  have exactly same problem with magician as i have . We can look this evening. For universal you can try to setup ttyUSB0 as data line for gprs and i found something to set corerct ppp option for GPRS startup
Oct 01 12:16:19 <jott> BabelO: i'm not yet sure on how to publish qpks as they are not in particular "3rdparty library friendly"...
Oct 01 12:16:42 <goxboxlive> BabelO i have set ttyUSB0 in Qtopia. I am close to have it working i  think.
Oct 01 12:17:09 <BabelO> jott : : agrre with you that's my problem too, because some files need to go to /etc/dbus :(
Oct 01 12:17:28 <BabelO> goxboxlive : ok, where did you setup ttyUSB0 ?
Oct 01 12:17:31 <goxboxlive> BabelOy Yes i think i have the same issue with Magician as you have with BA. I only get respons form modem when disabling MUX.so
Oct 01 12:17:32 <BabelO> in custom.h ?
Oct 01 12:17:43 <jott> BabelO: well at least 4.3 on the gp has a write-able /etc now..
Oct 01 12:17:53 <goxboxlive> BabelO No, in Qtopia GUI mode. It asks for wich port to use
Oct 01 12:17:58 <BabelO> jott : : good :)
Oct 01 12:18:05 <BabelO> goxboxlive : ah ok
Oct 01 12:18:26 <jott> but afaik qpk still can not put stuff there..
Oct 01 12:18:46 <BabelO> goxboxlive : so you get response from modem with magician, but it segfault after ? or display welcome screen with please wait ...
Oct 01 12:19:12 <BabelO> jott : really , even if we change qpk by hand ?
Oct 01 12:19:44 <goxboxlive> BabelO: With MUX.so it segfaults. Without it it just hangs and Qtopia starts without the phone working. It hangs after AT+CBS .
Oct 01 12:21:14 <goxboxlive> BabelOthis is with mux.so: http://pastebin.ca/720651
Oct 01 12:21:15 <jott> BabelO: mh.. i *think* a prefix is enforced.. but i've not digged much deeper into it..
Oct 01 12:21:56 <jott> (you could always patch the package manager or provide another one ;)
Oct 01 12:22:00 <BabelO> goxboxlive : : ok so same than me :( i m able to start qtopia with mux plugin but it display please wait and never remove this message, he wait for a response, but did not see it from modem
Oct 01 12:22:02 <goxboxlive> BabelO this si without MUX: http://pastebin.ca/720663
Oct 01 12:22:17 <BabelO> jott : :), just my project is already enought
Oct 01 12:24:43 <BabelO> goxboxlive : : ok, i don't know if just \r is enough to send at command or need also \r\n
Oct 01 12:25:23 <goxboxlive> ok
Oct 01 12:25:43 <BabelO> goxboxlive: we can try this evening, i back to home around 7:00 pm i hope
Oct 01 12:26:10 <BabelO> goxboxlive : do you have an old trace with magician and openmoko ? dmesg trace  ?
Oct 01 12:28:47 <BabelO> jott : i m playing with qwizard to show a nice welcome screen
Oct 01 12:37:37 <goxboxlive> No i dont think so, not that i can remember.
Oct 01 14:06:45 <chouimat> morning
Oct 01 16:04:27 <woglinde> ljp are you awake?
Oct 01 16:32:02 <goxboxlive> Anyone with a FIC phone running Qtopia here?
Oct 01 16:33:26 <woglinde> no sorry
Oct 01 16:33:39 <goxboxlive> ok
Oct 01 16:33:46 <woglinde> my greenphone makes some trouble
Oct 01 16:33:55 <woglinde> qtopia wont startup
Oct 01 16:34:05 <woglinde> and I have no mini-sd card for flash
Oct 01 16:34:15 <woglinde> only micro and adapter from neo
Oct 01 16:34:23 <jott> you don't need qtopia to flash the gp
Oct 01 16:35:02 <woglinde> jott I dont want qopia to flash the phone
Oct 01 16:35:13 <woglinde> I want flash the phone so qtopia works again
Oct 01 16:35:44 <jott> and usbflash does not work?
Oct 01 16:36:33 <woglinde> hm I dont find the linux flasher?
Oct 01 16:37:34 <jott> the sdk contains "usbflash" which will allow low-level flashing of the device
Oct 01 16:38:03 <woglinde> or maybee you can tell me whats wrong with qpe
Oct 01 16:38:04 <woglinde> Oct  1 10:05:13 Qtopia: Invalid key at start if id tracker.
Oct 01 16:38:05 <woglinde> Oct  1 10:05:19 hcid[147]: Introspect path:/org/bluez
Oct 01 16:38:05 <woglinde> Oct  1 10:05:19 hcid[147]: Default passkey agent (:1.58, /DefaultPasskeyAgent) registered
Oct 01 16:38:10 <woglinde> thats from the log
Oct 01 16:38:32 <jott> mh which version is this?
Oct 01 16:38:36 <woglinde> 4.2.2
Oct 01 16:38:46 <woglinde> I made a shutdown today for a exam
Oct 01 16:38:59 <woglinde> and then after it wanted turn it on back
Oct 01 16:39:09 <woglinde> but it didnt start qpr
Oct 01 16:39:12 <woglinde> qpe
Oct 01 16:39:28 <woglinde> now I am on it with telnet and spotted the error
Oct 01 16:40:29 <jott> mh haven't seen this before.. maybe you could just flush the ~/Applications dir (or move it) to "reset" qtopia..
Oct 01 16:41:02 <jott> (but this would imply loosing your settings/addressbook)
Oct 01 16:41:32 <woglinde> hm only when I not saving /mnt/user /mnt/user_local
Oct 01 16:41:34 <woglinde> ls
Oct 01 16:41:36 <woglinde> ups
Oct 01 16:41:54 <jott> yep..
Oct 01 16:42:32 <jott> but it might be worth a try to see if it's a broken sqlite or other setting..
Oct 01 16:42:47 <jott> anyway.. i would recommend upgrading to 4.3 ;)
Oct 01 16:43:11 <woglinde> yeah
Oct 01 16:43:29 <woglinde> let me see
Oct 01 16:43:54 <woglinde> hm what are the files in /mnt/user normaly ?
Oct 01 16:44:59 <jott> uhm i guess Application Packages Settings Updates (thats in ~ in 4.3) can't remember what was in 4.2 ;)
Oct 01 16:45:07 <jott> (ok Updates is new)
Oct 01 16:49:05 <woglinde> hrms
Oct 01 16:49:14 <woglinde> now seperate flasger download
Oct 01 16:49:21 <woglinde> this suckz
Oct 01 16:51:09 <jott> woglinde: http://sse2.net/usbflash
Oct 01 16:51:29 <jott> when you have it i'll delete it... i don't know whats the legal status of it ;)
Oct 01 16:55:05 <jott> hm oh just grepped the source.. you may have luck deleting Applications/Qtopia/QUniqueIdTrackerFile :)
Oct 01 16:55:45 <jott> or fix it's permission.. mh
Oct 01 16:55:53 <jott> no ;)
Oct 01 17:31:00 <woglinde> jott thanks
Oct 01 17:31:06 <woglinde> will try
Oct 01 17:31:23 <woglinde> but dont know how it could be delete
Oct 01 17:32:01 <jott> ssh and rm ;)
Oct 01 17:32:42 <woglinde> rw-r--r--    1 root     root          252 Sep 24  2007 /mnt/disk2/home/4.2/Applications/Qtopia/QUniqueIdTrackerFil
Oct 01 17:33:21 <woglinde> hm okay I understood ypu wrong
Oct 01 17:34:38 <woglinde> okay works again
Oct 01 17:35:51 <woglinde> thanks
Oct 01 17:39:30 <jott> np. and give 4.3 a try ;)
Oct 01 17:40:34 <woglinde> hm if the previe reakky stable?
Oct 01 17:40:38 <woglinde> preview
Oct 01 17:40:47 <jott> no :)..
Oct 01 17:40:57 <jott> the snapshots are quite stable
Oct 01 17:41:23 <jott> some p1 bugs since preview are fixed now
Oct 01 17:58:18 <BabelO> re
Oct 01 18:05:53 <jott> hi
Oct 01 18:06:01 <BabelO> hey jott 
Oct 01 18:07:54 <neuschi> good evening everybody
Oct 01 18:08:06 <neuschi> anybody here to help me flash my greenphone?!
Oct 01 18:08:24 <jott> whats the problem?! ;)
Oct 01 18:08:26 <neuschi> put the image onto the sd card but it does not flash.
Oct 01 18:08:39 <jott> mh i always flashed using my host pc...
Oct 01 18:08:55 <neuschi> I would, if I got a connection
Oct 01 18:09:45 <jott> mh?
Oct 01 18:10:17 <jott> do you see the phone with lsusb?
Oct 01 18:10:41 <neuschi> in the internet settings, it says "ethernet . online" 
Oct 01 18:11:32 <neuschi> yes, I do
Oct 01 18:12:05 <neuschi> well, the problem is, every 2 mins the device hangs and I have to reboot it
Oct 01 18:12:12 <jott> yieks
Oct 01 18:12:19 <neuschi> now, the 2 mins are over.. :-(
Oct 01 18:12:27 <neuschi> moment..pls
Oct 01 18:12:35 <jott> which qtopia version do you currently have on it?
Oct 01 18:12:50 <jott> sounds rather broken :/
Oct 01 18:13:09 <neuschi> i dont really know
Oct 01 18:13:12 <jott> but to flash you do not need network..
Oct 01 18:13:25 <jott> the lowlevel flasher connects via usb
Oct 01 18:13:30 <neuschi> its a replacement device I got from TT, and I was told I have to flash it.
Oct 01 18:13:41 <neuschi> since I did this before, I thought it was no problem....
Oct 01 18:14:30 <neuschi> I once made a connection but was told that there already is a DSA key on the device
Oct 01 18:14:46 <neuschi> but unfortunately the is no "reaquire key" in the devtools... :-(
Oct 01 18:15:00 <jott> hm.. anyway.. just use usbflash... 
Oct 01 18:15:22 <jott> you probably have 4.1 on it.. which does not start ssh just telnet
Oct 01 18:16:17 <neuschi> which file should i give to usbflash?
Oct 01 18:16:32 <jott> mh well either 4.2.4 or the new 4.3 full flash tar..
Oct 01 18:16:44 <neuschi> the mentioned greenphone-trolltech does not exist in /optQ....
Oct 01 18:17:14 <jott> get it from qtopia.net if in doubt ;)
Oct 01 18:17:20 <neuschi> so sudo usbflash /opt/.../qtopia-greenphone-flash-4.2.4 ?
Oct 01 18:17:43 <woglinde> hms
Oct 01 18:17:48 <neuschi> the only gz file there is a qtopia-greenphone.-update.tar.gz
Oct 01 18:18:26 <woglinde> jott how can you acess the greenphone via ssh
Oct 01 18:18:35 <woglinde> the passwd is on ro moun
Oct 01 18:18:36 <woglinde> t
Oct 01 18:19:10 <jott> woglinde: dev menu and reaquire auth key..
Oct 01 18:19:39 <neuschi> jott: how mature is the 4.3?
Oct 01 18:19:45 <jott> then use gph -net
Oct 01 18:19:58 <jott> neuschi: well the preview is a bit buggy.. but current snapshots work fine
Oct 01 18:20:39 <neuschi> so I'll stay with 4.2.4 for the moment, just trying to get it to work
Oct 01 18:21:03 <jott> as you like..
Oct 01 18:21:11 <neuschi> I'm donwloading the qtopia-greenphone-flah-full-4.2.4 now. is this the one to give to usbflash?
Oct 01 18:21:15 <jott> yes..
Oct 01 18:21:27 <neuschi> ok, I'll give it a try
Oct 01 18:22:36 <neuschi> Oh, I forgot... the two minutes are over
Oct 01 18:23:22 <jott> mh :) .. well as a said usbflash is independent of qtopia or even linux
Oct 01 18:23:35 <jott> (as target ;)
Oct 01 18:23:53 * chouimat thinks tt should release usbflash code :)
Oct 01 18:25:08 <neuschi> seems to work, it's flashing....
Oct 01 18:27:25 <jott> chouimat: hehe yeah or sue yuhantel for their gpl violations ;)
Oct 01 18:28:33 <jott> i wonder how hard it would be to get a full jffs2 / on the gp..
Oct 01 18:28:38 <neuschi> jott: does 4.3 bring any improvement to the $%§&! camera quality?
Oct 01 18:29:18 <jott> hm i don't think so.. not much at least ;)
Oct 01 18:29:48 <jott> still funny colors ;)
Oct 01 18:30:12 <neuschi> funny? Depends on your kind of humor ;-)
Oct 01 18:30:54 <jott> hey its a lsd trip for free :p
Oct 01 18:31:16 <neuschi> grrr
Oct 01 18:31:17 <woglinde> now flashing
Oct 01 18:34:42 <neuschi> jott: imagine one day when the greenphone's camera will make pictures... would it then
Oct 01 18:35:22 <neuschi> be possible to use the Stroke recognition methods to recognize characters that have been photographoed?
Oct 01 18:36:01 <jott> uhm well stroke recognition != generic ocr ;) 
Oct 01 18:36:27 <jott> with the stroke you have direction of lines etc.
Oct 01 18:36:34 <neuschi> I do not mean generic ocr, i mean very basic, i.e. the numbers from 1-9?
Oct 01 18:36:47 <jott> yeah install something like gocr .. this should work
Oct 01 18:37:29 <jott> even now given some simple cv algorithms
Oct 01 18:37:34 <neuschi> I had a brief look at the api but did not really find something related to stroke recognition. 
Oct 01 18:38:32 <jott> well there is libraries/handwriting i suppose thats the code to look at ;)
Oct 01 18:39:45 <neuschi> well, after I flashed my gp (looks good, btw.) I'll start with my first program and then I'll dig deeper into the internals
Oct 01 18:40:14 <jott> what do you want to do? :)
Oct 01 18:40:38 <jott> tts from numbers you capture with the camera?! ;)
Oct 01 18:41:16 <neuschi> just a small app, something like a sudoku solver.
Oct 01 18:41:28 <jott> ah ;)
Oct 01 18:41:38 <neuschi> would be great if you could just make a pic of a given sudoku and ... woosh, have the solution
Oct 01 18:41:47 <jott> yeah sounds funny ;)
Oct 01 18:42:13 <jott> i suppose gocr could be suitable..
Oct 01 18:42:34 <chouimat> wow a sodoku solver ... better learn math and logic if you need this 
Oct 01 18:42:34 <neuschi> jott, know what?!
Oct 01 18:42:36 * chouimat ducks
Oct 01 18:43:35 <jott> hehe chouimat its the engineering approach.. why spend time solving a single sodoku when you can find a general way to solve every sodoku ;)
Oct 01 18:43:40 <neuschi> chouimat: ;-) I guess I've learned math enough the last 30 years ;-)
Oct 01 18:44:20 <chouimat> jott: it's like those 300 pages book on sodoku ... wtf??? the stuff is simple 
Oct 01 18:44:59 <chouimat> jott: but I guess it's an easier way to make a lot of $$$ ;)
Oct 01 18:45:47 <LarstiQ> neuschi: like?
Oct 01 18:45:53 <jott> yeah well you could also connect to a bluetooth printer and print the solution at the end ;)
Oct 01 18:46:08 <chouimat> jott: hehe
Oct 01 18:46:37 <chouimat> jott: "marketing: How to make you believe you absolutely need this useless crap" :)
Oct 01 18:48:32 <jott> haha yeah "ever stucked at solving this hard sodoku and friends start making fun of you? just use solvdoku the fully automated solution for all you sodoku needs" ;)
Oct 01 18:48:55 <neuschi> ;-)
Oct 01 18:49:12 <jott> libgocr is dead. It was replaced by a new project, Conjecture. 
Oct 01 18:49:23 <jott> aha..
Oct 01 18:49:24 <neuschi> jott, know what? My gp just booted 4.2.4 and I got a ssh connection to it.
Oct 01 18:49:30 <jott> nice ;)
Oct 01 18:49:34 <neuschi> usbflash was the clue. never heard about it before
Oct 01 18:50:14 <chouimat> jott: btw one of my friend had a teacher who titled his lecture notes: "Marketing ... " ;)
Oct 01 18:51:20 <jott> hehe well he should have called it "Secret plans to take over the world" .. this would have gained alot more of interest i suppose ;)
Oct 01 18:51:32 <chouimat> jott: hehe
Oct 01 18:52:12 <chouimat> jott: I would simply have called it "Marketing or how to control a vast army of morons"
Oct 01 18:52:38 <neuschi> yeah, marketing guys... I love them... :-(
Oct 01 18:54:00 <neuschi> It's dead funny in our company (automotive). 90% engineers, walking around in casual clothes.. but 10% are those sales, purchase, controlling and marketing guys.
Oct 01 18:54:39 <jott> hehe yeah thats so fascinating about marketing.. the theory is trivial and one should easily spot the tricks but on the other hand the masses fall for it ;)
Oct 01 18:54:49 <neuschi> sitting at their desks like us, but reducing the oxygene flowing  into their heads by ties and tight suits... ;-)
Oct 01 18:55:09 <chouimat> neuschi: lol
Oct 01 18:55:22 <jott> hehe ;)
Oct 01 18:55:45 <neuschi> but they think of themselves as being something very special....
Oct 01 18:56:14 <chouimat> jott: there is nothing new in there ... religions and dictators used those tricks for eons 
Oct 01 18:56:15 <jott> well it's a mandatory "qualification" for a marketing guy ;)
Oct 01 18:56:29 <jott> chouimat: yep. indeed..
Oct 01 18:58:11 <neuschi> at university - if you dare to come to an examination in "economics" without wearing a suit, you're out!
Oct 01 18:58:50 <neuschi> in computer science or maths, even the profs don't know what a suit even is
Oct 01 18:59:22 <chouimat> neuschi: I think it depend of the university
Oct 01 19:00:29 <neuschi> no, it's nearly all the same here in germany. Law students and economy students don't have a too goos standing amongst the others ;-)
Oct 01 19:01:10 <chouimat> neuschi: it's not the same in Quebec and canada ... they know everybody hate them so they dress casual ;)
Oct 01 19:01:28 <neuschi> ;-)
Oct 01 19:01:33 <neuschi> you are from quebec?!
Oct 01 19:01:43 <chouimat> yes
Oct 01 19:01:53 <neuschi> I'm thinking of travelling to canada by the end of the month... NS
Oct 01 19:01:59 <chouimat> but now living in Ottawa 
Oct 01 19:02:17 <neuschi> But still looking for good flights
Oct 01 19:02:31 <chouimat> which is better ... better salaries and less taxes ;)
Oct 01 19:02:50 <neuschi> how about nova scotia?!
Oct 01 19:03:00 <chouimat> nice place ...
Oct 01 19:03:30 <neuschi> what's the weather like at the end of october? Is it really getting that cold then?
Oct 01 19:04:42 <chouimat> neuschi: you will be near water so not really ... but it might be a little more cold than europe 
Oct 01 19:06:58 <jott> damn my headsets are broken and play music in "karaoke mode" now..  amazing how good this frequency spectrum is filtered out by a defective contact ;)
Oct 01 19:07:27 <neuschi> I'd like to get to know canada because I'm thinking of working somewhere else for some time.
Oct 01 19:08:02 <neuschi> I've never been to canada but all I learn about it makes me feel like this is a nice place to live in...
Oct 01 19:08:07 <chouimat> neuschi:http://climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_e.html?Province=NS%20%20&StationName=&SearchType=&LocateBy=Province&Proximity=25&ProximityFrom=City&StationNumber=&IDType=MSC&CityName=&ParkName=&LatitudeDegrees=&LatitudeMinutes=&LongitudeDegrees=&LongitudeMinutes=&NormalsClass=A&SelNormals=&StnId=6357& <--- this is for halifax
Oct 01 19:09:15 <neuschi> well, ok.. approaching winter..
Oct 01 19:09:45 <neuschi> And halifax looks quite nice.
Oct 01 19:10:14 <neuschi> a friend of mine lives in toronto since april, and she's going to stay....
Oct 01 19:11:38 <jott> yeah germany is not attractive anymore ;)
Oct 01 19:12:26 <woglinde> oh with 4.3.0 lids work
Oct 01 19:12:33 <jott> yep..
Oct 01 19:12:37 <neuschi> jott: where're you from? why do you think that?!
Oct 01 19:12:42 <jott> berlin ;)
Oct 01 19:12:47 <neuschi> oh, I see.
Oct 01 19:12:50 <woglinde> jott oh me too
Oct 01 19:13:05 <woglinde> jott will you come to the oedem2007?
Oct 01 19:13:19 <neuschi> chouimat: do you speak german? that would simplyfy the communication here :-)
Oct 01 19:13:41 <chouimat> neuschi: not really ;)
Oct 01 19:13:58 <chouimat> neuschi: mostly stuff like I trink Bier 
Oct 01 19:14:09 <woglinde> chouimat hahaaaa
Oct 01 19:14:15 <neuschi> ;-)
Oct 01 19:14:20 <jott> woglinde: when is it?
Oct 01 19:14:44 <neuschi> jott: will you be at the munich devdays?
Oct 01 19:14:51 <woglinde> jott -> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEDEM2007
Oct 01 19:15:03 <chouimat> en parlant de bière ...
Oct 01 19:15:08 * chouimat goes to the kitchen 
Oct 01 19:15:19 <jott> neuschi: no :/
Oct 01 19:15:45 <neuschi> oui, une biere c'est bon. Je vais m'prendre d'un.... [or the like]
Oct 01 19:16:11 <jott> woglinde: is there some kind of registration?
Oct 01 19:17:19 <neuschi> so, now I#m back with a delicious "Hövels" ;-) Cheers
Oct 01 19:17:59 <chouimat> neuschi: I have an Alexander keith's india pale ale ... product of NS ;)
Oct 01 19:20:04 <neuschi> chouimat: do you know why it is quite hard to get to Canada (esp. NS) after Oct, 15th. Most airlines, except air canada or the like, suspend their service till even april (air transat, e.g.)
Oct 01 19:20:52 <chouimat> because in winter air transat simply fly where the money is ... Sunny island in the south 
Oct 01 19:21:22 <woglinde> jott hm not at all
Oct 01 19:21:32 <woglinde> jott are you a poweruser or developer?
Oct 01 19:21:53 <jott> part time of both ;)
Oct 01 19:21:59 <woglinde> jott hehe
Oct 01 19:22:16 <woglinde> jott then fell free to update the wiki and put your name in
Oct 01 19:22:26 <jott> ok..
Oct 01 19:22:39 <woglinde> oe can use some manpower
Oct 01 19:22:45 <neuschi> A reduction of service, ok. but complete suspension? Unfortunately I have to got to the Munich DevDays ;-), so my holiday just starts after Oct, 17 th... and then it gets hard to find a good flight
Oct 01 19:23:10 <chouimat> hmmm oct 6th is too close ... woglinde changes the date so I can get a cheap ticket ;)
Oct 01 19:23:43 <woglinde> hm one last question: that the first number of the pin is shown without a star is a feature or a bug?
Oct 01 19:23:57 <chouimat> neuschi: try to see if you can go via the us ... maybe you can get something cheaper
Oct 01 19:24:01 <woglinde> chouimat uhm the termin is nearly fix since 2 months
Oct 01 19:24:06 <jott> woglinde: uhm did not realize this ;)
Oct 01 19:24:11 <jott> woglinde: with 4.3?
Oct 01 19:24:29 <woglinde> jott yes its int 4.3 too
Oct 01 19:24:37 <woglinde> maybee lorn can answer
Oct 01 19:24:51 <jott> let me reboot and see ;)
Oct 01 19:25:03 <chouimat> woglinde: I was joking ... anyway I don't have the money to go and I will have to renew my passport and since the morons in the usa require passport even for canadians it take ages to get a new one
Oct 01 19:26:11 <woglinde> hm
Oct 01 19:26:37 <woglinde> in 4.3 you cant use your taken pictures as background
Oct 01 19:26:49 <jott> woglinde: i can't reproduce it.. (though i've not -preview installed but the snapshot from 22.)
Oct 01 19:27:09 <woglinde> jott hm
Oct 01 19:27:17 <woglinde> jott I can show you at the oedem
Oct 01 19:27:23 <jott> ;)
Oct 01 19:28:21 <jott> you can have my prebuild image if you like..
Oct 01 19:28:31 <woglinde> hm
Oct 01 19:28:40 <woglinde> later maybee
Oct 01 19:29:19 <woglinde> hm no button to turn off bt?
Oct 01 19:29:44 <woglinde> ah there
Oct 01 19:57:03 <goxboxlive> What is this? How can i edit Qtopia to know where my BT device is? It says this while i launch Qtopia, even though BT is running at ttyS1 : Could not find org.bluez interface
Oct 01 20:03:46 <jott> have you dbus running and configured?
Oct 01 20:05:50 <goxboxlive> yes
Oct 01 20:14:13 <jott> mh
Oct 01 20:55:08 <donmorr309> Hello
Oct 01 20:55:23 <chouimat|busy>  http://xkcd.com/323/
Oct 01 20:55:56 <donmorr309> Anyone know if it is possible to make calls to the qtopia library from a web page?
Oct 01 21:00:15 <donmorr309> Anyone?
Oct 01 21:03:05 <jott> donmorr309: what do you mean with "from a web page"?
Oct 01 21:05:21 <donmorr309> for example if I wanted to access the QTopia PIM library from a web page running on an embedded server 
Oct 01 21:06:06 <donmorr309> So this embedded server is on the same target that qtopia is running on.
Oct 01 21:06:53 <jott> sure.. why not? either with qcop or with a native cgi app.. or even with a qt based httpd...
Oct 01 21:08:53 <donmorr309> Ok, cheers (I haven't done any web based stuff before, mostly just embedded experience).
Oct 01 21:09:22 <donmorr309> So qcop is used for inter process communications, right?
Oct 01 21:09:53 <jott> yes..
Oct 01 21:09:58 <donmorr309> How would the native cgi app interface with the qt library?
Oct 01 21:10:13 <jott> well by the QAbstractItemModels...
Oct 01 21:10:27 <jott> (so the pim models implement it)
Oct 01 21:10:33 <jott> like QContactModel
Oct 01 21:12:39 <jott> so you would just write a QCoreApplication that implements CGI and is a view for the model..
Oct 01 21:13:01 <donmorr309> Ahh, I get you know :-)
Oct 01 21:14:22 <donmorr309> I was trying to figure out how to make calls to the libraries directly from a standard HTML based web page.
Oct 01 21:15:25 <jott> well you have to do some template stuff.. html is "static" ;)
Oct 01 21:15:55 <jott> so i would say it really depends on what you plan to do on how to scale this..
Oct 01 21:16:39 <donmorr309> OK, Looks like I have a bit of reading up on cgi/web technologies to do. Cheers for the help!
Oct 01 21:16:45 <jott> no problem
Oct 01 21:17:19 <jott> there are probably some solutions you could build upon
Oct 01 21:18:57 <jott> and if the main purpose is to interface qtopia you may consider using a qt based httpd..
Oct 01 21:19:12 <donmorr309> ok, I'll look into that too.
Oct 01 21:20:03 <donmorr309> I've just found a "A simple HTTP daemon" example that I could start with.
Oct 01 21:20:15 <donmorr309> Cheers for the help :-)
Oct 01 21:20:29 <jott> maybe take a look at libqxt they also have some web infrastructure..
Oct 01 21:20:44 <jott> but cant tell on how reliable this is.. ask in #qt ;)
Oct 01 21:21:28 <donmorr309> OK
Oct 01 22:09:03 <BabelO> ljp: around ?
Oct 01 22:09:44 <BabelO> now i got this, it is like if ttyS did not flush on read 
Oct 01 22:09:46 <BabelO> AT  <7>(42)\n\r\n+CBC: 0,0\r\n\r\nOK\r\n\r\n+CSCS: "HEX"\r\n\r\nOK\r\n
Oct 01 22:10:19 <BabelO> first read is ok with just +CBC: 0,0 but second have the two reponse :(
Oct 01 22:19:42 <torarne> shit, i didn't understand anything of that :D
Oct 01 22:20:10 <BabelO> :(
Oct 01 23:19:15 <jott> hello rohanpm, would you mind to look at issue N181195?
Oct 01 23:20:00 <rohanpm> Is this "QPhoneNumber::matchNumbers does not work" ?
Oct 01 23:20:49 <jott> yes
Oct 01 23:22:12 <rohanpm> the report says someone is already working on it
Oct 01 23:22:55 <jott> ok ;) thanks
Oct 01 23:23:16 * chouimat waits for qtopia4-bleeding rsync 
Oct 01 23:25:31 <ljp> hmm oh ya
Oct 02 00:13:55 <ljp> BabelO: not sure
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