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Oct 11 04:56:32 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Oct 11 05:04:52 <raddy> Is it possible to develop applications using Qtopia sdk light for Neo 1973 phones? 
Oct 11 05:11:33 <raddy> Anybody out there?
Oct 11 05:41:55 <ljp> raddy: you would need to download the neo toolchain, and compile qtopia 4.3
Oct 11 06:00:15 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Oct 11 06:00:26 <raddy> Does qtopia support j2me?
Oct 11 07:33:21 <raddy> Hi
Oct 11 07:33:29 <raddy> Anybody out there?
Oct 11 07:34:40 <raddy> Can i sell commercial applications developed using qtopia lite gpl2 based sdk?
Oct 11 07:34:57 <raddy> i mean develop and sell
Oct 11 07:35:27 <ljp> sure, as long as you release your code to your customers
Oct 11 07:35:50 <raddy> ljp: Ohh, :(
Oct 11 07:36:59 <pmax> if you're going to make money, just get a commercial license
Oct 11 07:37:05 <pmax> it's a good investment
Oct 11 07:37:12 <raddy> ljp: okk,
Oct 11 07:37:21 <raddy> pmax: ok
Oct 11 07:37:39 <pmax> if you're not going to make money, give your code away because it's not worth holding back :)
Oct 11 07:50:12 <raddy> Is there a page that list the pricing of the commercial sdk?
Oct 11 07:51:40 <raddy> so, for each device should i pay $195 ??
Oct 11 08:04:58 <ScaredyCat> that would seem a little high... 
Oct 11 08:05:03 * ScaredyCat wonders
Oct 11 08:14:03 <ljp> geez.. gstreamer sucks
Oct 11 08:16:00 * ScaredyCat points up
Oct 11 08:16:17 <ScaredyCat> did you see my comment re-audio autoswitching ?
Oct 11 08:25:24 <ljp> the problem is that without helix, qtopia fails audioswitching
Oct 11 08:25:50 <ljp> i just got gstreamer build, but performance sucks too bad to use
Oct 11 08:26:26 <ScaredyCat> and we can't build helix because... ?
Oct 11 08:26:33 <ScaredyCat> is there a licensing issue?
Oct 11 08:26:42 <ljp> the released sources at helixcommunity havent been updated yet
Oct 11 08:27:00 <ljp> there are some binaries not distributable
Oct 11 08:27:20 <ScaredyCat> :/
Oct 11 08:40:57 <ljp> we arent allowed to distribute the helix sources, either
Oct 11 08:42:49 <ScaredyCat> that's a bit of a buggr then...
Oct 11 08:43:29 <ljp> yep
Oct 11 08:44:21 <ljp> once the audiostate switching gets fixed when there's no helix/gstreamer, we can use qss2, which will give us mp3 and midi
Oct 11 13:55:54 <wimpies> Hi all, I want to copy a movie file over to my NEO so that I can view the movie.  How can I do that ?
Oct 11 13:59:10 <chouimat> morning
Oct 11 14:03:40 <wimpies> ljp : are you here ?
Oct 11 15:10:31 <goxboxlive> ScaredyCat: have you builded last snapshot yest?
Oct 11 15:10:52 <ScaredyCat> no not yet
Oct 11 15:11:03 <ScaredyCat> it looked the same size
Oct 11 15:11:11 <goxboxlive> yes i saw
Oct 11 15:11:43 <ScaredyCat> so i didn;t bother... 
Oct 11 15:11:48 <goxboxlive> ScaredyCat: was it 20071003 wich had the sound working?
Oct 11 15:11:51 <goxboxlive> me neither
Oct 11 15:12:11 <ScaredyCat> 02 methinks... can't be too sure :)
Oct 11 15:12:15 <ScaredyCat> 02 or 03
Oct 11 15:12:19 <ScaredyCat> ish
Oct 11 15:12:20 <ScaredyCat> ;)
Oct 11 15:12:28 <goxboxlive> ok
Oct 11 19:47:16 <woglinde> hm is there a commandolĂine tool to install qpk
Oct 11 19:53:27 <zecke> woglinde: you can use qcop
Oct 11 21:16:04 <woglinde> stephmw hi
Oct 11 21:16:16 <Stephmw> heya
Oct 11 21:16:20 <woglinde> stephmwcould you provide me the usbflasher somewhere for the grennphone
Oct 11 21:16:43 <woglinde> sdk.iso says I have to wait 50 min  to wait
Oct 11 21:16:43 <Stephmw> sorry, I don't have any of that at home :(
Oct 11 21:16:51 <woglinde> hm oh okay
Oct 11 21:17:02 <licksjp> hello
Oct 11 21:17:26 <woglinde> hi licksjp
Oct 11 21:18:31 <licksjp> woglinde, where do u live?
Oct 11 21:18:50 <woglinde> licksjp in berlin/germany
Oct 11 21:18:59 <licksjp> oic
Oct 11 21:19:05 <licksjp> I live in Japan
Oct 11 21:20:39 <woglinde> hm I must convice ljp that the usbflasher is avaible as seperate download
Oct 11 21:20:51 <woglinde> loading 600 mb for such a little programm suckz
Oct 11 21:33:48 <jott> woglinde: http://sse2.net/usbflash
Oct 11 21:35:10 <woglinde> jott okay
Oct 11 21:35:15 <woglinde> sverd me 20 minutes
Oct 11 21:35:18 <woglinde> saved
Oct 11 21:41:04 <jott> plus the time extracting it from the vmware image ;)
Oct 11 21:41:39 <woglinde> hm yes
Oct 11 21:41:49 <woglinde> zecke and I have to test something
Oct 11 21:42:21 <jott> what do you want to test?! :)
Oct 11 21:42:39 <woglinde> its super secret
Oct 11 21:42:47 <jott> ten creative ways to brick the greenphone? ;)
Oct 11 21:42:52 <woglinde> no no
Oct 11 21:42:56 <zecke> 23
Oct 11 21:53:43 <angasule> hmm, I'm preparing to make a .deb of qtopia-core
Oct 11 21:54:06 <angasule> one slightly weird thing I've found, is that one can compile and install moc without qmake
Oct 11 21:55:21 <angasule> I'm using: /configure -prefix /usr/share/qtopia4 -bindir /usr/bin -libdir /usr/lib/qtopia -docdir /usr/share/doc/qtopia4 -headerdir /usr/include/qtopia4 -sysconfdir /etc/qtopia4 -release -shared -silent -depths 1,4,8,16,18,24,32 -platform qws/linux-x86-g++ -xplatform qws/linux-x86-g++ -qt-gfx-qvfb -no-separate-debug-info -nomake examples -nomake demos
Oct 11 21:55:39 <angasule> adding -nomake tools doesn't install qmake which is kind of a problem for compiling any further programs
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