**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 02:59:57 2007
Oct 15 04:48:52 <raddy> hello everybody
Oct 15 04:49:20 <raddy> just installed qtopia in Neo 1973
Oct 15 04:49:39 <raddy> Two major problems
Oct 15 04:50:13 <raddy> 1 It is not detecting my sim. just shows no network
Oct 15 04:50:44 <raddy> 2 Phone keys locked
Oct 15 04:51:31 <ljp> kown problem. working on it
Oct 15 04:51:42 <ljp> known, that is
Oct 15 04:52:20 <ljp> wait 2 minutes, it should timeout
Oct 15 04:52:35 <raddy> ljp: is it snapshot specific bug?
Oct 15 04:54:49 <raddy> ljp: is the issue surfaced recently?
Oct 15 04:57:43 <ljp> not sure when it showed up
Oct 15 04:59:16 <raddy>  ljp: is there a workaround
Oct 15 04:59:44 <raddy> ljp : can't i use any other functions
Oct 15 04:59:46 <ljp> next snapshot or two should be working a bit better. depends onwhen they make the snapshot
Oct 15 05:00:48 <pmax_> raddy: I am able to get at the keys by holding in the top button when it first boots into qtopia
Oct 15 05:00:54 <pmax_> then press cancel once
Oct 15 05:00:57 <pmax_> it kicks me out to the menu
Oct 15 05:01:14 <pmax> just don't go back to the homescreen
Oct 15 05:02:00 <raddy> pmax_: what features can be used without going home screen?
Oct 15 05:02:13 <pmax> everything except phonecalls
Oct 15 05:02:30 <raddy> pmax: ohh
Oct 15 05:04:30 <raddy> pmax: when i go to home screen, i get a keypad and shows please wait, what to do
Oct 15 05:04:46 <pmax> hold in the top button?
Oct 15 05:05:52 <raddy> pmax: yup, then chose homescreen, then got the number pad
Oct 15 05:06:35 <pmax> pmax: just don't go back to the homescreen
Oct 15 05:07:45 <raddy> pmax: thank, your solution worked. i chose back and didn't went to home screen
Oct 15 05:08:00 <raddy> pmax: thanks alot again
Oct 15 05:08:19 <raddy> pmax: is there way to make my sim work
Oct 15 05:08:32 <raddy> pmax:  it is a normal gsm sim
Oct 15 05:09:16 <pmax> not right now
Oct 15 05:09:29 <pmax> wait for a new snapshot
Oct 15 05:23:13 <raddy> pmax : can you a working previous snapshot of qtopia ?
Oct 15 10:58:57 <JLP> can someone help me with the problem i have with greenphone?
Oct 15 12:07:49 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Oct 15 12:08:25 <raddy> I recently installed QTopia in Neo 1973 Platform
Oct 15 12:08:52 <raddy> GSM is not that stable
Oct 15 12:09:56 <raddy> Also sim card contacts have not been imported
Oct 15 12:10:15 <raddy> Anybody has some solutions?
Oct 15 14:26:19 <BabelO> hi
Oct 15 14:26:25 <BabelO> ljp : around ?
Oct 15 14:26:34 <BabelO> ljp: any qtopiacomm news ?
Oct 15 14:44:28 <chouimat> morning
Oct 15 14:49:49 <BabelO> morning chouimat
Oct 15 14:49:58 <BabelO> what hour is it for you ?
Oct 15 14:51:08 <jott> hello
Oct 15 14:51:23 <chouimat> 10:51am
Oct 15 15:01:29 <Andy80> #fedora-it
Oct 15 15:10:07 <BabelO> hello jott
Oct 15 17:05:42 <goxboxlive> is the smudge theme supported on greenphone? 
Oct 15 17:05:59 <goxboxlive> Or is the dialer way to big
Oct 15 18:51:41 <ljp> goxboxlive: no. its for neo
Oct 15 18:55:19 <jott> it would also make sense on the gp (and it is almost usable :)
Oct 15 19:12:35 <goxboxlive> ljp: It's a good looking skin. On my universal it looks good (vga) but on my magician (qvga) only part of the dialer is visable. Is there a way to make it scaleable?
Oct 15 19:15:21 <BabelO> goxboxlive: which skin do you use ?
Oct 15 19:16:49 <goxboxlive> BabelO: on my magican i use "crisp", it looks good, but the dialer is the old Qtopia one. On Universal i use "Smudge" .  The dialer looks real good with Smudge, but only for VGA devices
Oct 15 19:17:14 <goxboxlive> BabelO: do you want to see a screen shot of it?
Oct 15 19:17:43 <goxboxlive> I'll make one when i start universal. now i am playing with my Magician
Oct 15 19:17:46 <BabelO> yes, ;) but you can set it better by editing xml file ;) it is done for that
Oct 15 19:18:02 <goxboxlive> BabelO: ok, i'll try that
Oct 15 19:18:22 <goxboxlive> BabelO: do you know if any of the Qtopia phone libs stuff is deleoped here in Oslo?
Oct 15 19:18:32 <goxboxlive> s/deleloped/developed/
Oct 15 19:18:54 <BabelO> don't now :(
Oct 15 19:19:11 <BabelO> you want to speak to the guy ;)
Oct 15 19:19:51 <ljp> qtopia core is developed in oslo
Oct 15 19:20:00 <BabelO> hi ljp
Oct 15 19:20:03 <ljp> the rest is in brissie
Oct 15 19:20:26 <ljp> hi BabelO 
Oct 15 19:20:41 <BabelO> ljp 
Oct 15 19:21:00 <BabelO> sound godd i can call to australia with illimited access.. lol
Oct 15 19:21:53 <chouimat> lalalalalala
Oct 15 19:22:05 <goxboxlive> ljp: ok, so the phone libs are not up here. Otherwise i could have lent them my device to make it work
Oct 15 19:31:56 <ljp> thats a theme issue anyway. xml
Oct 15 19:32:24 <ljp> we are suposed to have a theme editor...
Oct 15 19:36:10 <goxboxlive> i was more talking about the phone libs, not theme
Oct 15 21:13:42 <dippie> hello
Oct 15 21:14:31 <dippie> does anyone know where to get docs for developing a native symbian app?
Oct 15 21:17:26 <ljp> nope.
Oct 15 21:17:48 <ljp> why would you want to develop symbian apps? Qtopia is better
Oct 15 21:20:31 <chouimat> ljp:  because his phone use symbian?
Oct 15 21:21:33 <dippie> i know qtopia is better
Oct 15 21:22:50 <dippie> in the interest of keeping things portable in the old fashioned way though
Oct 15 21:23:40 <dippie> i can't force qtopia on every device
Oct 15 21:23:56 <dippie> *every one
Oct 15 21:24:47 <dippie> but i might be able to help people to warm up about floss on phones
Oct 15 21:25:04 <ljp> oh. ok
Oct 15 21:25:31 <ljp> not sure where to get those docs. I am sure synbiam has them on a develop site somewhere
Oct 15 21:26:14 <dippie> that's the thing, i'm not a company/isv/that
Oct 15 21:26:57 <dippie> but i heard that there are alternative docs
Oct 15 21:28:24 <chouimat> dippie: try bittorrents </notcorrect>
Oct 15 21:28:54 <dippie> tried
Oct 15 21:41:01 <jott> dippie: if you want to develop for s60 you can check developer.symbian.com and www.forum.nokia.com, you can also get sdks there...
Oct 15 21:42:38 <ljp> or, you can just use the s60 theme in qtopia and pretend
Oct 15 21:43:05 <jott> dippie: there is also http://www.koeniglich.de/sdk2unix/symbian_sdk_on_unix.html but i haven't done any symbian related stuff for years.. so don't know the status for latest generations 
Oct 15 21:43:34 <jott> yeah or you hack linux on your phone and get qtopia running .. thats probably the best solution ;)
Oct 15 21:47:35 <dippie> but what if it's not my phone?
Oct 15 21:47:55 <dippie> btw thanks
Oct 15 21:52:18 <jott> well symbian/nokia provide a zillion of different sdks you have to read alot and realize what you really want to do before starting your first line of code ;)
Oct 15 21:53:04 <jott> maybe its better nowadays but it was a real mess when i did some stuff for s60..
Oct 15 21:55:06 * jott still wonders how qtopia is related to s60/uiq as you asked here :)
Oct 15 21:55:08 <dippie> ok, i know what the program should do though :)
Oct 15 21:57:28 <dippie> well it has to do with the fact that i heard these docs exist from a qtopia guy
Oct 15 22:00:28 <dippie> i thought it was isv-only domain
Oct 15 22:00:30 <ljp> everything's on topic here. no topic police
Oct 15 22:00:41 <dippie> -.-
Oct 15 22:01:08 <ljp> besides, qtopia has s60 theme so it is on topic :)
Oct 15 22:01:26 * jott wonders if it would be possible to run qtopia in a framebuffer provided by sybian/s60 ;)
Oct 15 22:02:56 <dippie> i don't know if it's gonna have to run on S60 specifically yet, i guess not since the s60 iirc is not a pda
Oct 15 22:03:37 <jott> uiq is the "pda version" of symbian os (besides s90 which is the organizer format)
Oct 15 22:03:57 <jott> for everything else (like s40) you have to stick to java..
Oct 15 22:04:57 <dippie> it had to be symbian native, for my own phone i have to use j2me
Oct 15 22:05:50 <jott> you have to provide different ports for the different symbian "brands" (though porting/recompiling should be straight forward)
Oct 15 22:06:58 <jott> but as i said.... check you exact requirements and make sure on what platforms your application shall run..
Oct 15 22:07:42 <dippie> yes, especially things like mapping the keys right should be dealt with afaik atm
Oct 15 22:08:19 <dippie> i'll see into it
Oct 15 22:11:19 <dippie> thanks for the "head start"
Oct 15 22:11:35 <jott> you're welcome ;)
Oct 15 22:12:39 <dippie> :) bye ./
Oct 15 22:36:47 <sabgenton> if i have main.cc    is  it seen the same as main.cpp?
Oct 15 22:36:51 <sabgenton> by qmake
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