**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 23 02:59:57 2007
Oct 23 08:08:48 <BabelO_> ljp hi, about the wireless support in qtopia, cardmgr is the old method now :(, my wifi is not well detected  :(
Oct 23 08:12:43 <BabelO_> ljp : standard WLAN wireless is working else
Oct 23 10:04:26 <Agiofws> hello 
Oct 23 10:04:33 <Agiofws> hello  can someone tell me the difference between Openmoko and Qtopia ?
Oct 23 10:11:48 <Sput> Openmoko is a Gtk/Gnome based environment in an early alpha stage, Qtopia is a Qt based environment that's already quite usable and looks pretty :)
Oct 23 10:14:49 <Agiofws> Sput,  so basiacaly they have the same goal ?  specialized   cell phone linux distros ?
Oct 23 10:15:56 <Sput> well... I am not completely sure of the nomenclature, but Qtopia Core is pretty much the Qt lib for embedded, and Qtopia adds all kinds of applications
Oct 23 10:16:03 <Sput> Qtopia Phone Edition, that is
Oct 23 10:16:32 <Sput> I don't know if the underlying linux is officially a part of Qtopia :)
Oct 23 10:17:32 <Sput> Qtopia is a framework for developing embedded/cell phone-based applications, plus a number of such applications plus whatever is needed to make them run
Oct 23 12:57:37 <chouimat> morning
Oct 23 12:58:15 <jott> hello
Oct 23 12:58:34 <Sput> ola
Oct 23 13:07:37 <BabelO_> popo :)
Oct 23 19:37:41 <goxboxlive> ljp: ping
Oct 23 21:32:05 <BabelO> hey, someone here ?
Oct 23 21:32:16 <BabelO> Sput: , jott ?
Oct 23 21:32:46 <BabelO> jott : i follow your advice, look at this http://linuxbox2.free.fr/blueangel/capture28.png
Oct 23 21:33:13 <BabelO> look better and readable now
Oct 23 21:35:40 <Sput> hey
Oct 23 21:35:44 <Sput> yeah, looks quite nice!
Oct 23 21:35:59 * Sput does not have something new to show, since he is still working on the style engine
Oct 23 21:36:02 <BabelO> Sput: yes with all margin set to zero, it is better
Oct 23 21:37:03 <BabelO> Sput:  and it is TextEdit output i have to do some test, but at the moment only google talk and jabber are tested, msn fail 
Oct 23 21:49:07 <jott> BabelO: yeah looks much better
Oct 23 21:49:30 <BabelO> :)
Oct 23 21:49:59 <jott> i would suggest not using "send" as button label, as it takes much space on a small screen but better use an icon or such ...
Oct 23 21:50:27 <BabelO> jott, yes i think to a small letterbox
Oct 23 21:50:57 <BabelO> i have to reduce contacts widget space too contacts are too big
Oct 23 21:53:17 <BabelO> i have also embedded some icon...  that's not good, it was just to test resource ;)
Oct 23 21:53:58 <BabelO> another thing, if you know how can i force keyboard displayed even if i press on button send  ?
Oct 23 21:54:47 <jott> hm why do you want to force to display the keyboard? :p
Oct 23 21:55:36 <jott> people might want to use the number-pad to type where available ;)
Oct 23 21:55:48 <BabelO> jott: it is just because when  you tap to send button keyboard dissapear but nothing is sent 
Oct 23 21:56:00 <BabelO> in wince we can force it to always shown
Oct 23 21:57:21 <jott> hm might be possible - but what happens if you don't want to use the "keyboard" input method?! :)
Oct 23 21:58:09 <jott> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qwsserver
Oct 23 21:58:10 <BabelO> hmm use VNC .. lol
Oct 23 21:58:30 <jott> for example ;p
Oct 23 21:58:37 <BabelO> don't know it justflick when i click on button and it go back
Oct 23 21:58:41 <BabelO> thx for sample
Oct 23 21:58:45 <jott> or character recognition, or numpad ;)
Oct 23 22:00:25 <jott> you can even check it with QWSServer::keyboardHandler()  as it seems
Oct 23 22:00:38 <jott> looks easy ;)
Oct 23 22:00:50 <BabelO> ok thx again ;)
Oct 23 22:06:41 <jott> hmpf i wonder where my tin-solder went..
Oct 23 22:10:05 <chouimat> lalalalala
Oct 23 22:14:48 <BabelO> musika chouimat ?
Oct 23 22:16:15 <chouimat> ©
Oct 23 22:57:22 <BabelO> good night
Oct 23 23:21:33 <fabo> qtopia doesn't support glib, right ?
Oct 23 23:22:42 <ljp> support?
Oct 23 23:23:09 <fabo>  +  -no-glib............ Do not compile Glib support.
Oct 23 23:23:10 <fabo>     -glib............... Compile Glib support
Oct 23 23:23:20 <ljp> qtopia core can link to glib, but its safe to not configure for Qtopia phone
Oct 23 23:25:48 <fabo> ljp: from a distro POV, it is recommended to not link against glib ?
Oct 23 23:34:28 <ljp> not for Qtopia Phone. it doesn;t need it, and you would need to include glib in your dist
Oct 23 23:34:38 <ljp> I take out the glib or neo
Oct 23 23:40:01 <fabo> ok, thks
Oct 23 23:43:23 <fabo> dbus config test seems buggy
Oct 23 23:43:54 <ljp> need to specify dbuspath
Oct 23 23:44:07 <fabo> as a fix, i use pkgconfig in the qmake prj file
Oct 23 23:44:10 <ljp> adn have the pkgconf files
Oct 23 23:44:14 <fabo> +linux-*:CONFIG += link_pkgconfig
Oct 23 23:44:16 <fabo> +linux-*:PKGCONFIG += dbus-1
Oct 23 23:46:58 <fabo> similar issue for NIS, but nsl doesn't use pkgconfig so: +linux-*:LIBS += -lnsl
Oct 23 23:48:35 <fabo> otherwise the tests fail and disable by default dbus and NIS support
Oct 23 23:53:01 <ljp> might need to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH
Oct 24 00:01:01 <fabo> not needed if pc files are inside defaut search path
Oct 24 00:06:05 <angasule> hey fabo :)
Oct 24 00:10:18 <chouimat> http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=a9ce9153-e0b6-4521-bd15-6948d020adf4
Oct 24 00:10:57 <fabo> wb angasule :)
Oct 24 00:11:23 <angasule> I'm still not 100% back, I'm now going away for dinner, did you see my message?
Oct 24 00:11:41 <angasule> on etch with a configure almost equal to yours, I compiled successfully
Oct 24 00:12:00 <angasule> fabo: of note, I added 24 bit depth support
Oct 24 00:12:04 <fabo> yes, but i'm going to sleep soon
Oct 24 00:12:51 <angasule> aw
Oct 24 00:12:55 <fabo> i patch the dbus test to work on any distribution
Oct 24 00:13:06 <angasule> oh,  Ididn't test
Oct 24 00:13:22 <angasule> hmm, there is nothing about gfx drivers in the configure you're using, I think
Oct 24 00:13:45 <angasule>  the virtual framebuffer is very useful for developers and people just trying it out
Oct 24 00:14:12 <fabo> have you tried to enable it ?
Oct 24 00:14:16 <angasule> oh, and qt-designer goes on its own?
Oct 24 00:14:44 <angasule> I don't know if it's enabled by default, I left my computer compiling and spent the afternoon at my girlfriend's, got back just a while ago :)
Oct 24 00:15:20 <angasule> I have to transfer the whole thing to my laptop to test it, I compiled on my server
Oct 24 00:15:20 <fabo> ok, because i tried ;)
Oct 24 00:15:30 <angasule> ah, ok, just wanted to be sure :)
Oct 24 00:15:38 <fabo> and rejected when i use -plugin-gfx-qvfb
Oct 24 00:15:39 * angasule checks what r-path is
Oct 24 00:16:06 <fabo> we don't use rpath
Oct 24 00:16:14 <angasule> I still want to know what it is :)
Oct 24 00:16:20 <fabo> ah ok :)
Oct 24 00:16:32 * angasule hates google
Oct 24 00:16:44 <fabo> research path encoded in library
Oct 24 00:16:57 <angasule> thanks :)
Oct 24 00:17:01 <angasule> hmm
Oct 24 00:17:22 <fabo> where  the  runtime linker should look for the libraries needed for a program
Oct 24 00:17:29 <angasule> wouldn't not using r-path cause qtopia apps to see libraries in /usr/lib before those in /usr/lib/qtopia?
Oct 24 00:18:53 <fabo> yes, but when you write a program, you will use pc file to find where qtopia libs are
Oct 24 00:20:05 <angasule> pc file? is pc an util?
Oct 24 00:20:15 <fabo> btw, "before" isn't the right term
Oct 24 00:20:18 <fabo> pkg-config
Oct 24 00:21:49 <angasule> ah, ok, what I'm wondering about is what happens if a usr has qt4 libs in /usr/lib and qtopia4 libs in /usr/lib/qtopia, when both sets of libs have the same file names
Oct 24 00:22:36 <fabo> we must decide if we want to have Qt4 and Qtopia co-installable
Oct 24 00:22:49 <angasule> yes, we do
Oct 24 00:23:40 <fabo> if the answer is yes, we must use /usr/lib/qtopia and append something to the tools like -qtopia4
Oct 24 00:23:43 <angasule> the people I know who develop with qtopia also use qt4, and as soon as KDE4 is out, qt4 will be common even for regular users
Oct 24 00:23:54 <angasule> only that? I already had that planned
Oct 24 00:24:04 <angasule> it's needed for the alternatives system anyway
Oct 24 00:24:15 <ljp> qtopia qtopia is location dependent.. 
Oct 24 00:24:33 <ljp> the -prefix
Oct 24 00:24:46 <ljp> configure argument places /opt/Qtopia in the QtCOre lib
Oct 24 00:24:50 <angasule> ljp: you mean qmake qtopia?
Oct 24 00:25:20 <fabo> -prefix "/usr" and -libdir "/usr/lib/QtopiaCore-4"
Oct 24 00:26:14 <angasule> hmm, is the -4 needed?
Oct 24 00:26:44 <fabo> and what we do when qtopia 5 will come ?
Oct 24 00:26:46 <angasule> qtopia-core 5 could share the directory with no issues once it's out, I guess, the sonames would all be different
Oct 24 00:26:58 <angasule> the conflict with qt4 is that the soname are identical
Oct 24 00:27:35 <fabo> to avoid any confusion
Oct 24 00:27:47 <angasule> I'm partial to /usr/lib/qtopia but qtopia-core QtopiaCore and QtopiaCoreWithPonies are all ok I guess
Oct 24 00:27:57 <ljp> no, becasuse they are location dependent, just place them into different directories
Oct 24 00:28:27 <angasule> ok, /usr/lib/QtopiaCore-4 it is, then :)
Oct 24 00:29:09 <angasule> just using that and modifying some makefiles to have qmake-qtopia4 instead of plain qmake would make qt4 and qtopia4 co-installable?
Oct 24 00:29:11 <ljp> by default, Qt is placed in /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-<version>
Oct 24 00:29:45 <angasule> ljp: btw, we're making a debian package (ok, 'we' means fabo is doing all the real work :) )
Oct 24 00:30:51 <angasule> I mentioned recently that the fonts directory and pkg-config directory should have their own -prefix thingie in configure, if possible
Oct 24 00:31:18 <fabo> angasule: fixed
Oct 24 00:31:23 <angasule> fabo: cool :)
Oct 24 00:35:25 <fabo> i wonder if we need assistant, designer, etc ...
Oct 24 00:35:36 <angasule> well
Oct 24 00:35:41 <angasule> only if we want apps :)
Oct 24 00:36:01 <angasule> for some reason, for qt4 qt4-designer is outside qt4-dev-tools
Oct 24 00:36:51 <angasule> my laptop is good enough for a basic dev system (I just can't compile most stuff on it, but programming works!), and I have no X11 there
Oct 24 00:37:10 <fabo> designer seems the same for Qt and Qtopia
Oct 24 00:38:24 <angasule> yeap, but qt-designer won't run on qtopia
Oct 24 00:38:36 <angasule> we need one specifically compiled for it
Oct 24 00:38:46 <fabo> k
Oct 24 00:38:53 <fabo> and for my question ?
Oct 24 00:39:06 <fabo> before i'm leaving :)
Oct 24 00:39:45 <angasule> sorry, missed it, which question? :?
Oct 24 00:40:02 <fabo> ljp: what are the most used arch for qtopia ?
Oct 24 00:40:33 <fabo> angasule: build type and architecture reported by configure on i386 ?
Oct 24 00:41:15 <angasule> oh, I used -platform qws/linux-x86-g++
Oct 24 00:41:41 <fabo> could you try the autodetection ?
Oct 24 00:41:57 <angasule> gimme a sec
Oct 24 00:42:02 * angasule cleans up
Oct 24 00:43:01 <angasule> Determining system architecture... (Linux:2.6.18-4-486:i686)
Oct 24 00:43:01 <angasule>     32-bit Intel 80x86 (i386)
Oct 24 00:43:01 <angasule>     'i386' is supported
Oct 24 00:43:01 <angasule> System architecture: 'i386'
Oct 24 00:43:10 <angasule> that? :?
Oct 24 00:43:57 <angasule> I scrolled to the qmake building and I see: -I/home/angasule/qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.3.2/mkspecs/qws/linux-x86-g++
Oct 24 00:44:51 <fabo> ok, thks
Oct 24 00:45:20 <angasule> you're welcome :)
Oct 24 00:45:46 <angasule> btw, I might be switching to AMD64 soon (just software, my chip *is* an AMD64
Oct 24 00:47:11 <angasule> I'll bbl
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