**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 24 02:59:57 2007
Oct 24 09:03:46 <BabelO_> hi
Oct 24 09:19:50 <j0tt> hello
Oct 24 09:28:20 <BabelO_> j0tt : i m playing with menu now... some thing look strange to me :(
Oct 24 10:45:08 <j0tt> BabelO_: what do you mean with "strange"?
Oct 24 11:16:18 <BabelO_> j0tt : i ve issue when adding entry on fly, i m doing something wrong
Oct 24 11:26:07 <j0tt> BabelO_: do you use QSoftMenuBar::menuFor(this) ?
Oct 24 11:26:31 <BabelO_> j0tt : yes
Oct 24 11:28:33 <j0tt> hm and then addAction?
Oct 24 11:28:38 <j0tt> should work :/
Oct 24 12:08:11 <BabelO_> j0tt: yes i use it like that, i think i do something wrong, because i switch menu depend of the displayed UI
Oct 24 12:17:53 <chouimat> morning
Oct 24 12:35:25 <BabelO_> morning chouimat
Oct 24 12:43:28 <j0tt> BabelO_: i suppose you have to set the correct widget in menuFor() for each task..
Oct 24 12:44:10 <j0tt> (though hiding the action should also work)
Oct 24 12:44:40 <BabelO_> j0tt : basically i think i just hide menu entry that's more easy to do
Oct 24 12:45:45 <j0tt> well yeah depends on how much entrys the tasks share and so on ;)
Oct 24 12:46:20 <j0tt> and if you have no way to change the parent widget for the specific task (and thus qtopia handles which menu to display)
Oct 24 12:51:42 <goxboxlive> BabelO_: what is this? http://pastebin.no/2718 How do i solve thjat?
Oct 24 12:52:21 <BabelO_> goxboxlive : -lalsa
Oct 24 12:54:24 <goxboxlive> ?? But i disabled alsa
Oct 24 12:54:29 <goxboxlive> i am using oss
Oct 24 12:55:51 <BabelO_> goxboxlive : but Fic as header entries for alsa right ?
Oct 24 12:56:00 <BabelO_> look at include
Oct 24 12:56:36 <goxboxlive> ok thx
Oct 24 13:01:26 <goxboxlive> BabelO_: is it like this: If you support alsa you will automaticly support oss?
Oct 24 13:01:27 <j0tt> mh qt-snapshot is now pulled into the public tt git... qtopia really should be there too
Oct 24 13:02:23 <BabelO_> goxboxlive : no you should activate kernel module compat-oss
Oct 24 13:02:41 <j0tt> would make following upstream so much more convenient 
Oct 24 13:04:02 <goxboxlive> BabelO_: ok
Oct 24 13:06:12 <BabelO_> j0tt : what state if your project ?
Oct 24 13:06:19 <BabelO_> s/if/is/
Oct 24 13:07:31 <j0tt> well i had not much time lately.. so not much progress :/ .. but you can basically surf the web with it ;)
Oct 24 13:08:38 <j0tt> still there are some design issues i have to put more thoughts into when i find the time ...
Oct 24 13:14:10 <BabelO_> do you use webkit and scrollarea to surf or it is just webkit ?
Oct 24 13:16:44 <j0tt> no i use qgraphicsview
Oct 24 13:16:47 <j0tt> and webkit
Oct 24 13:16:58 <j0tt> (so i let webkit render to a qgraphicsitem)
Oct 24 13:17:35 <BabelO_> j0tt : ok 
Oct 24 13:17:54 <j0tt> this makes zooming easy.. as webkit has no sophisticated ssr like eg. opera..
Oct 24 13:18:41 <BabelO_> i learn a little qgraphicview like you say with qgraphicscene ttis night, and i want to use themeview to let user define there one contact and dialog look n feel
Oct 24 13:19:23 <j0tt> http://sse2.net/webkit01.png http://sse2.net/webkit02.png this is the state of last month but as i said i did not had much time to improve it yet..
Oct 24 13:21:13 <cayco> hi everyone! i have a problem with qtopia-desktop which I think i debugged although i do not know how to fix
Oct 24 13:21:21 <cayco> can anyone help me
Oct 24 13:21:22 <cayco> ?
Oct 24 13:23:19 <j0tt> huh.. haven't used qtopia-desktop for.. *years*... but if you elaborate your problem someone might be able to help.. :) 
Oct 24 13:23:28 <cayco> hmm
Oct 24 13:24:08 <cayco> in short: after running strace on qtopia-desktop i see that it tries to connect to sin_port=htons(4243), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.0.202")
Oct 24 13:24:48 <cayco> although on my qtopia devi (Neo1973) I can see that qdsync run on 4245
Oct 24 13:24:57 <cayco> (it shows that in gui)
Oct 24 13:25:05 <cayco> I cannot see where to change it
Oct 24 13:25:28 <j0tt> uhm is there a qtopia4 desktop?!
Oct 24 13:25:48 <cayco> j0tt: what is that?
Oct 24 13:26:04 <cayco> my qtopia desktop is 2.2.0
Oct 24 13:26:14 <j0tt> you cant use this with qtopia4.3 ;)
Oct 24 13:26:23 <cayco> ouch :)
Oct 24 13:26:35 <BabelO_> j0tt : look nice
Oct 24 13:26:42 <cayco> hmm, gotta try it, i haven't seen it
Oct 24 13:26:51 <j0tt> wait a bit.. tt will probably release a version when 4.3 approaches release state
Oct 24 13:27:05 <cayco> oh
Oct 24 13:27:28 <cayco> j0tt: so there is no usable method of synchronizing contacts?
Oct 24 13:27:40 <cayco> for now
Oct 24 13:27:44 <j0tt> not yet afaik.. you can just manually import a vcf file..
Oct 24 13:28:01 <j0tt> (so just a one-time import for now)
Oct 24 13:28:05 <cayco> i wonder why qdsync works though...
Oct 24 13:28:32 <j0tt> well i suppose the qtopia desktop is developed in oslo or so.. and qdsync in brisbane (just a guess ;-)
Oct 24 13:28:35 <cayco> it sits on my phone and i'd like to think that there's reason for it
Oct 24 13:28:38 <j0tt> and qtopia desktop is a separate release..
Oct 24 13:28:40 <Sput> is qtopia ever going to suppot SyncML?
Oct 24 13:28:42 <Sput> since this is the standard that pretty much all modern cell phones use...
Oct 24 13:28:52 <j0tt> plus.. the desktop was not opensource .. (but hopefully will be with 4.39
Oct 24 13:29:09 <Sput> so implement SyncML, and you don't need a special app for your greenphone, you can just use kontact
Oct 24 13:29:11 <j0tt> Sput: you could write a sync module for it ;)
Oct 24 13:29:22 <Sput> yeah maybe one time :)
Oct 24 13:29:29 <cayco> what i'd like is support for iSync on mac...
Oct 24 13:29:43 <Sput> cayco: I am pretty iSync also speaks SyncML
Oct 24 13:29:49 <Sput> *pretty sure
Oct 24 13:29:49 <j0tt> yes it does
Oct 24 13:30:01 <cayco> i could even write it but how would i know how qdsync works?
Oct 24 13:30:02 <j0tt> but there seems to be no official support of syncml for now
Oct 24 13:30:11 <Sput> yeah there isn't
Oct 24 13:30:14 <j0tt> well its open source ;)
Oct 24 13:30:22 <j0tt> read the source and understand the protocol ;)
Oct 24 13:30:41 <Sput> I was hoping the grant triggers such a project :)
Oct 24 13:30:42 <cayco> j0tt: maybe debugging would be faster? ;)
Oct 24 13:30:59 <j0tt> hum.. dunno do what you are best at ;p
Oct 24 13:31:14 <cayco> j0tt: reading pure machine code :)
Oct 24 13:32:01 <j0tt> for which arch? ;p
Oct 24 13:32:42 <cayco> j0tt: Neo1973 of course (if you call it arch)
Oct 24 13:32:43 <j0tt> i guess writing syncml support for qtopia would be the best solution where alot of people would benefit from ;)
Oct 24 13:32:48 <j0tt> arm ;p
Oct 24 13:33:04 <cayco> anyway, it seems that there is nothing functional at the moment...
Oct 24 13:33:08 <j0tt> nope..
Oct 24 13:33:27 <j0tt> as i said .. for now just export your contacts to one big vcf and import it on the phone
Oct 24 13:33:38 <j0tt> so you have atleast a snapshot state
Oct 24 13:34:08 <j0tt> (usually contacts don't change on a daily basis anyway ;-)
Oct 24 13:34:45 <cayco> yeah but calendar and tasks would be _very_ nice
Oct 24 13:34:53 <j0tt> indeed
Oct 24 13:35:09 <j0tt> well wait a bit ;)... or write syncml support ;)
Oct 24 13:35:39 <j0tt> it should actually not be *that* hard to write syncml support..
Oct 24 13:35:47 <cayco> i may even peak at qdsnc's source code
Oct 24 13:37:01 <j0tt> yeah patch it to support syncml :)
Oct 24 13:37:27 <j0tt> its only 3100 loc :p
Oct 24 13:37:34 <cayco> but where's the source :)
Oct 24 13:37:56 <j0tt> oh actually ~5000 ;)
Oct 24 13:37:58 <Sput> yeah I also don't think syncml should be too hard.. if Qtopia has APIs to access all the PIM data, that is
Oct 24 13:38:08 <Sput> we'll see, for now I have other stuff to do
Oct 24 13:38:32 <j0tt> Sput: the api is nice its a QAbstractItemModel
Oct 24 13:38:52 <Sput> oh, so all PIM apps access the same model?
Oct 24 13:39:01 <j0tt> cayco: src/tools/qdsync/
Oct 24 13:39:05 <cayco> is the source in toolchain?
Oct 24 13:39:06 <j0tt> Sput: yep..
Oct 24 13:39:10 <Sput> that's cool
Oct 24 13:39:36 <j0tt> Sput: QPimModel is the base (which is a QAbstractItemModel) ..and then there are QContactModel QAppointmentModel etc
Oct 24 13:40:11 <j0tt> cayco: in the source snapshot
Oct 24 13:40:13 <Sput> I see
Oct 24 13:40:40 <Sput> that's really quite nice, that there is a central location for that stuff
Oct 24 13:40:47 <j0tt> yes
Oct 24 13:40:55 <Sput> well, I am quite sure somebody will venture for SyncML support as soon as Qtopia gains some acceptance
Oct 24 13:41:06 <j0tt> plus it uses interview so its really integrated in qt(opia) ;)
Oct 24 13:41:12 <Sput> yep
Oct 24 13:41:21 * Sput is excited about Interview2
Oct 24 13:41:26 <j0tt> yeah i guess its a weekend project if you know your way around
Oct 24 13:42:12 <j0tt> (like using a ready syncml implementation aka funambol or opensync...)
Oct 24 13:42:42 <cayco> j0tt: thx, i think I got it
Oct 24 13:42:45 <j0tt> i once looked at sourceforge.net/projects/sync4jevolution  which looks quite nice at a first blink..
Oct 24 13:43:30 <j0tt> (its syncml client for evolution - so you probably just have to change the e-d-s stuff to QPimModel ;-)
Oct 24 13:48:08 * j0tt takes some popcorn and follows the khtml <-> webkit fight :p
Oct 24 13:48:46 * chouimat scrolls back
Oct 24 13:50:03 <chouimat> ewww evolution
Oct 24 13:50:56 <j0tt> chouimat: hey my point was to *remove* all evolution stuff from this project ;p
Oct 24 15:45:20 <jorgenpt> ljp: Any status on the suspendbug?
Oct 24 15:48:21 <Sput> hey jorgenpt :)
Oct 24 15:49:08 <jorgenpt> Hi Sput 
Oct 24 19:53:03 <xamox> any greenphone developers in here?
Oct 24 19:54:41 <BabelO> xamox: depend what kind of devel 
Oct 24 19:56:04 <xamox> application
Oct 24 19:56:37 <chouimat> s/devel/devil 
Oct 24 19:57:00 <xamox> haha
Oct 24 19:58:09 <BabelO> :)
Oct 24 20:04:00 <Sput> yeah, here
Oct 24 20:05:24 <xamox> Sput, you do app dev for the green phone?
Oct 24 20:05:30 <Sput> xamox: yes
Oct 24 20:05:52 <xamox> sput any direction to point me where to start?
Oct 24 20:05:59 <xamox> the quick dev guid eisn't giving me much
Oct 24 20:06:44 <xamox> Sput, ^^^
Oct 24 20:08:21 <Sput> xamox: hmm... it's pretty much the same as normal Qt development
Oct 24 20:09:00 <Sput> the Qtopia assistant has some pointers as to where stuff differs (such as not having a menubar, but a QSoftMenuBar and stuff)
Oct 24 20:14:38 <xamox> Sput, so when making these apps, do I just create a main window, set the size the same at the screen res as the greenphone?
Oct 24 20:14:59 <Sput> xamox: should resize automatically
Oct 24 20:15:15 <Sput> xamox: you have to plan for the fact that you have a 320x240 screen though, so dialogs and stuff should not be too large :)
Oct 24 20:15:26 <Sput> but other than that, the Qt auto layout works as expected.
Oct 24 20:15:28 <xamox> Sput, alright.
Oct 24 20:15:41 <xamox> Sput, what about flashing it with the latest firmware, any directions on that?
Oct 24 20:16:32 <Sput> xamox: there are images on the qtopia page for the latest stable version
Oct 24 20:16:43 <Sput> you can just follow instructions from the dev guide
Oct 24 20:17:02 <Sput> as for unstable versions (such as 4.3), they don't seem to compile right now
Oct 24 20:17:07 <Sput> (ljp, any update on the helix issue? ;-))
Oct 24 20:18:15 <xamox> Sput, how can i check the firmware version on my phone?
Oct 24 20:18:29 <Sput> xamox: I think there is a sysinfo app somewhere...
Oct 24 20:19:17 <xamox> So if I'm running Qtopia 4.2.2. I have the latest?
Oct 24 20:19:36 <xamox> linux kernel: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2-lid
Oct 24 20:24:00 <jott> 4.2.4 is the latest stable.. 
Oct 24 20:24:14 <xamox> ahh
Oct 24 20:24:25 <jott> but still i would recommend 4.3.. even if you do not have mp3 support ;)
Oct 24 20:24:25 <xamox> So how can I get that image then dump it to my phone?
Oct 24 20:24:34 <jott> qtopia.net
Oct 24 20:24:36 <xamox> alright
Oct 24 20:24:40 <xamox> I don't need mp3 support
Oct 24 20:24:56 <xamox> I'm just using the phone for dev. purposes
Oct 24 20:25:02 <xamox> so grab 4.3 then?
Oct 24 20:25:02 <jott> if you really want to go for 4.3 you should compile s snapshot.. :)
Oct 24 20:25:22 * chouimat need to try to build a complete image soon
Oct 24 20:25:22 <jott> having the source at hand while developing is also useful ;)
Oct 24 20:25:41 <chouimat> rsync 
Oct 24 20:25:45 <jott> on the other hand you'll get a ready sdk for 4.2.x ..
Oct 24 20:26:01 <jott> chouimat: better git ;)
Oct 24 20:26:07 <chouimat> I hate git
Oct 24 20:26:18 <jott> better than rsync :)
Oct 24 20:26:25 <jott> atleast for source control ;)
Oct 24 20:26:45 <xamox> alright
Oct 24 20:26:45 <chouimat> jott: I rsync and then put it under hg 
Oct 24 20:26:47 <xamox> so I'm a little confused
Oct 24 20:26:55 <xamox> I grab the 4.2.4 iso?
Oct 24 20:27:00 <jott> chouimat: ugh ;)
Oct 24 20:27:03 <xamox> fire it up in a vm?
Oct 24 20:27:39 <xamox> Then do the sync via the VM and it should update qtopia on my greenphone?
Oct 24 20:28:03 <jott> uhm..well depends on how much you want to be on the bleeding edge ;)
Oct 24 20:28:26 <jott> but basically you can use the sdk vm to upgrade your phone to 4.2.4..
Oct 24 20:28:38 <xamox> don't need to be bleeding edge
Oct 24 20:28:47 <xamox> but would like some of the upgrades/bug fixes
Oct 24 20:29:05 <xamox> jott now looking at the quickstart guide
Oct 24 20:29:13 <xamox> it says how to flash via USB
Oct 24 20:29:21 <jott> yeah..
Oct 24 20:29:36 <jott> chouimat: is rsync now  on 4.3?
Oct 24 20:29:38 <xamox> It says select Trolltech greenphoen in the SDK
Oct 24 20:29:45 * jott is too lazy to chekc ;)
Oct 24 20:29:49 <xamox> but I don't see it
Oct 24 20:30:13 <chouimat> jott: yes
Oct 24 20:32:44 <jott> xamox: vmware should show you the greenphone as usb device and allow you to connect it to the vm
Oct 24 20:33:26 <xamox> hmm
Oct 24 20:33:33 <jott> xamox: http://greenphone-wiki.org/index.php/Run_the_SDK_in_your_native_distro_HOWTO or us this
Oct 24 20:33:43 <xamox> when I plug in USB, it jsut shows charging
Oct 24 20:33:52 <xamox> let me install the lastest SDK
Oct 24 20:33:59 <xamox> then see if it changes anything
Oct 24 20:34:24 <jott> yeah.. well actually it's more a matter of vmware and your host ;)
Oct 24 20:35:07 <xamox> windows xp box.
Oct 24 20:35:15 <jott> ah ..hm
Oct 24 20:35:18 <xamox> my main rig crapped out
Oct 24 20:35:20 <jott> ok then forget about the wiki ;)
Oct 24 20:35:40 <xamox> and Ubuntu doesn't play nice with this POS dell I have to sue
Oct 24 20:35:42 <xamox> use*
Oct 24 20:35:59 <xamox> so I'm stuck using XP
Oct 24 20:36:11 <jott> pos dell?! :O
Oct 24 20:36:26 <xamox> sorry
Oct 24 20:36:28 <xamox> gateway
Oct 24 20:36:30 <xamox> old
Oct 24 20:36:51 <jott> ah i thought you use a cashpoint as a desktop ;p
Oct 24 20:37:31 * jott imagines using the barcode scanner on all the stuff that lies around :p
Oct 24 20:38:04 <xamox> haha
Oct 24 20:38:04 <jott> yeah but anyway get the recent sdk and check if your vmware handles usb devices the way it should ;)
Oct 24 20:38:10 <xamox> alright
Oct 24 20:39:34 <xamox> jott, thx for the help
Oct 24 20:40:09 <chouimat> jott: ocr + code on paper == future of programming ;)
Oct 24 20:40:30 <xamox> don't forget Xtreme programming
Oct 24 20:40:44 <xamox> 4 people writing on 1 piece of paper
Oct 24 20:40:50 <chouimat> xamox: one write and one use the scanner ;)
Oct 24 20:41:00 <xamox> haha
Oct 24 20:41:13 <xamox> 1 to bring refreshments and snacks too
Oct 24 20:41:27 <BabelO> beer :)
Oct 24 20:41:32 <BabelO> or wine :)
Oct 24 20:42:42 <goxboxlive> ljp: there?
Oct 24 20:42:43 <jott> hehe yeah this also reminds me of star trek "computer! apply a recursive algorithm!" brzrzrzrz..
Oct 24 20:47:01 * chouimat wants a qwerty keyboard in the DDR (Dance Dance Revolution) format :)
Oct 24 20:47:15 <angasule> oh, that reminds me
Oct 24 21:20:54 <goxboxlive> Where do i get the new helix player for qtopia? 
Oct 24 21:21:02 <goxboxlive> version 3.1 (atlas)
Oct 24 21:21:35 <ljp> I think he is still working on getting the sources for qtopia helix published
Oct 24 21:22:47 <goxboxlive> ljp: ok, it's mention in the docs 
Oct 24 21:22:53 <goxboxlive> ljp: we have sound working now
Oct 24 21:23:32 <ljp> we updated the mediaplayer to a different version of helix than in 4.1/4.2, but havent yet gotten the sources on helixcommunity
Oct 24 21:23:45 <goxboxlive> ljp: ok i c
Oct 24 21:23:55 <ljp> the main mediplayer guy left and we have to figure out which branch it is
Oct 24 21:24:05 <goxboxlive> ljp: what about the comm guy, have he looked at the mail from BabelO ?
Oct 24 21:24:21 <goxboxlive> I thibk about the modem problems on BA and magician
Oct 24 21:24:24 <ljp> hmm. keep forgetting about that
Oct 24 21:25:15 <goxboxlive> ljp: dont forget that, Its major important :-) 
Oct 24 21:25:24 <ljp> of course :)
Oct 24 21:25:38 <ljp> been busy with neo
Oct 24 21:25:48 <ljp> and bug fixing
Oct 24 21:26:03 <goxboxlive> yes i have seen, the latest snapshot works kind of goot also on Universal
Oct 24 21:26:13 <goxboxlive> s/goot/great/
Oct 24 21:26:28 <ljp> good to hear
Oct 24 21:26:39 <goxboxlive> ljp: why isent the daily snapshot commited to a svn or cvs host?
Oct 24 21:26:39 <ljp> been feeling like I havent made much progress
Oct 24 21:26:58 <chouimat> ljp: any new release soon? like a 4.3.0 sdk for the gp?
Oct 24 21:27:18 <ljp> because we have other elements we cannot publish, and we would be going from p4 to svn/cvs
Oct 24 21:27:32 <goxboxlive> ok
Oct 24 21:27:35 <ljp> 4.3.0 release will be soon
Oct 24 21:27:57 <ljp> one day before my birthday
Oct 24 21:28:00 <ljp> :)
Oct 24 21:28:10 <goxboxlive> and that is?
Oct 24 21:28:15 <ljp> at least, thats when we are done with it
Oct 24 21:28:23 <ljp> soon :D
Oct 24 21:28:30 <chouimat> between now and October 22, 2008 ;)
Oct 24 21:29:07 <ljp> hmmm.. isnt it already the 25th?
Oct 24 21:29:17 <ljp> your drinking too much! :)
Oct 24 21:29:18 <chouimat> 24 here
Oct 24 21:29:22 <goxboxlive> up here 24
Oct 24 21:29:32 <ljp> ya, you guys are living in the past!
Oct 24 21:29:32 <goxboxlive> in hlf a hour 25
Oct 24 21:29:46 <chouimat> ljp:  I'm swearing at Model/View stuff
Oct 24 21:29:46 <BabelO> lol 
Oct 24 21:30:02 <ljp> chouimat: ya M/V is a bit to get your head around
Oct 24 21:30:13 <goxboxlive> that's remind me, it's getting late,.good night. Dont forget about BA/MA modem.
Oct 24 21:30:25 <chouimat> goxboxlive: good night
Oct 24 21:30:37 <BabelO> ljp: is OEgstream compiled for you ? i need it to support audio in google talk ;)
Oct 24 21:31:02 * chouimat wonders what kind of pizza to eat tonight: Spicy chicken or Meat lover (aka cholesterol friendly)
Oct 24 21:31:24 <ljp> BabelO: yes. I have gotten qtopia + gstreamer on neo.
Oct 24 21:31:55 <BabelO> ljp: good i ll try then , thx and don't forget modem stuff :)
Oct 24 21:31:58 <ljp> chouimat: go for the vegetarian, its more healthy for you
Oct 24 21:32:15 <ljp> and nicer to the animals
Oct 24 21:32:24 <ljp> :)
Oct 24 21:32:45 <chouimat> ljp: it's frozen pizza and I don't have veggies one and I don't like veggies food :)
Oct 24 22:06:52 <jott> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6660413369.html hm
Oct 25 02:45:53 <chouimat|ibook> arggggg
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