**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 02:59:57 2007 Nov 05 08:23:27 Hello Everybody Nov 05 08:24:11 Does latest snapshots of QTopia irons out Network detection bugs? Nov 05 08:27:25 ljp: which version of helix is required with 4.3.0? I tried 3_2_0-atlas, but it still fails Nov 05 08:29:37 Anybody there? Nov 05 08:41:42 Sput: according to the changelog its "Real Networks Helix DNA Client version 3.1 (Atlas)" ..but in the end i don't know :) Nov 05 08:41:58 3.1 Nov 05 08:42:00 k Nov 05 08:42:02 will try Nov 05 08:42:21 now that I found the hidden option -qmake-debug, it tells me the supplied SYSTEM_ID is invalid Nov 05 08:42:23 j0tt: where did you get the change logs? Nov 05 08:42:38 raddy: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/release-4-3-0.html Nov 05 08:43:01 Helix SYSTEM_ID linux-2.2-libc6-xscale-cross-gcc32 is not valid. Nov 05 08:43:03 yay Nov 05 08:43:48 Sput: i suppose you may still have to touch the source.. as metioned in the docs for 1.5 Nov 05 08:44:10 I did Nov 05 08:44:22 j0tt: is the final version of QTopia 4.3 released for FIC Neo 1973? Nov 05 08:44:22 well, I do a fresh helix checkout and try 3.1 instead of 3.2 Nov 05 08:47:04 is the final version of QTopia 4.3 released for FIC Neo 1973? Nov 05 08:48:31 hm the greenphone 4.3 sdk seems to be released... Nov 05 08:48:58 yeah, but I don't feel like installing vmware yet again :/ Nov 05 08:49:18 it _must_ be possible to build the SDK from source Nov 05 08:49:28 it is.. just without helix ;) Nov 05 08:49:58 yeah, but that's not very satisfying :) Nov 05 08:50:08 I mean I got the source, why won't it build? Nov 05 08:50:40 i guess because helix is as broken as the qtopia integration ;P Nov 05 08:51:36 and the sdk does not contain full helix anyway - if at all :) Nov 05 08:52:01 Does latest snapshots of QTopia irons out Network detection bugs? Nov 05 08:52:20 I need to use helix though if I want to use the mediaplayer on the phone... Nov 05 08:52:41 raddy: which bugs exactly?! don't know.. Nov 05 08:52:58 well, we'll see Nov 05 08:52:59 I am not yet givin up here Nov 05 08:53:04 somebody at trolltech oughta now Nov 05 08:53:06 know Nov 05 08:53:14 j0tt: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=510&forum=16 Nov 05 08:54:35 raddy: sorry can't really tell you.. either wait for ljp to respond or just try it out ;) Nov 05 08:55:21 Sput: yeah well easiest way would be to have a proper snapshot as for 4.2.x Nov 05 08:56:16 or just support cvs checkout within the .pro :) Nov 05 08:56:17 I don't even mind going through that cvs thingy, if I knew what exactly is needed :/ Nov 05 08:58:14 but this missing system id points that you have not integrated the trolltech patches ;) (how ever this is done correct) Nov 05 08:58:35 shouldn't that be done by the build system? Nov 05 08:58:51 i guess it *should* :) Nov 05 08:59:18 didn't get that error last time I fiddled with the SDK, either Nov 05 08:59:18 but i guess this qtopiaplatforms.py is not loaded Nov 05 08:59:36 well, I added the AddPlatform thingy manually Nov 05 08:59:58 as mentioned on the web Nov 05 09:00:00 and also copied the *.cf Nov 05 09:00:36 then it should atleast pass the systemid thingies :) Nov 05 09:02:00 i still wonder why this is not done by a patch in the first place. :/ Nov 05 09:04:23 updating file="./common/include/platform.h" for platform="linux-2.2-libc6-xscale-cross-gcc32" Nov 05 09:04:31 so the helix build system sees the file Nov 05 09:07:07 hi all Nov 05 09:09:44 hello Xride Nov 05 09:10:01 Sput: isn't that supposed to be sysinfo.py? Nov 05 09:10:21 j0tt: hm? Nov 05 09:11:49 where those system ids are registered Nov 05 09:11:59 yeah Nov 05 09:12:58 * Sput downloads the SDK ISO Nov 05 09:13:51 emerge vmware-player in the meantime :p Nov 05 09:14:59 yeah Nov 05 11:35:21 what OpenGL SE development libs are there? Nov 05 12:52:59 so... is the Greenphone full flash image 4.3.0-preview thingy the release version of 4.3.0? Nov 05 12:53:11 even though it says "preview" and the date on the webpage is the end of september? Nov 05 14:02:09 morning Nov 05 14:02:36 morning Nov 05 14:02:59 hmm, after updating the phone to 4.3.0, I have trouble installing my app Nov 05 14:03:00 afternoon Nov 05 14:03:22 gph seems to add an extra slash into the *.qpd, making the update fail... but that's easily fixed Nov 05 14:03:37 but I don't know what to do about the new SXE / LIDS stuff Nov 05 14:04:58 the phone refuses to run my app because it breaches security Nov 05 14:05:36 anyway to disable LIDS or make my app run anyway? Nov 05 14:05:46 Sput: did you install the 2007/11/01 image or the other one? Nov 05 14:06:02 the one included with the SDK Nov 05 14:06:09 in /opt/Qtopia/extras Nov 05 14:07:07 that's oct 29th, as it seems Nov 05 14:07:10 according to sysinfo Nov 05 14:13:06 ahaha, the security violation is apparently caused by QSettings Nov 05 14:13:16 it is not allowed to create its config file Nov 05 14:14:36 now what do I do? :( Nov 05 14:18:25 hm, must be a sxe policy Nov 05 14:38:34 Can anyone suggest simple ways of debugging the problem where the Neo (running qtopia) doesn't recognize SIMs (or does so only sporadically)? Nov 05 14:39:09 there does not seem to be an SXE policy that allows me to access /home/Settings... Nov 05 14:39:16 any hints on that one? Nov 05 14:41:00 Sput: did you check Organization and other settings before using QSettings ? Nov 05 14:42:59 yeah, SXE complains about how it cannot mkdir /home/setting/$ORGANIZATION Nov 05 14:54:09 after creating this manually, if fails because it is not allowed to write $APP.conf Nov 05 14:54:28 so I wonder, which sxe policy is necessary in order to use QSettings? Nov 05 14:55:49 Sput: it is strange /home/setting/ Nov 05 14:56:28 /home/Settings Nov 05 14:56:30 typo :) Nov 05 14:58:36 so no user ? Nov 05 14:59:06 nope Nov 05 14:59:59 /home/Settings seems to be the place where other apps put their stuff as well Nov 05 15:00:27 did you force UserScope ? Nov 05 15:02:59 nope, that should be default Nov 05 15:03:01 hmmm Nov 05 15:03:03 I'll try Nov 05 15:04:59 BabelO: do you use QSettings on the phone? Nov 05 15:05:11 yes, but on blueangel, not greenphone Nov 05 15:05:33 i start my app on greenphone, but i have all default value to qsettings and it is with 4.2 Nov 05 15:05:59 works fine on 4.2 Nov 05 15:06:03 4.2 didn't have SXE enabled Nov 05 15:06:19 ok that's why, and on ba i did not enable sxe Nov 05 15:06:30 what's blueangel? Nov 05 15:07:26 HTC Blueangel -> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel i ve continued the port with other guy Nov 05 15:08:09 nothing like a remote controlled fan and a cat :) Nov 05 15:08:13 ah k Nov 05 15:09:07 chouimat: et ce boulot ? tu as recu les papier ? Nov 05 15:10:40 BabelO: j'ai recu le contrat et je suis entrain de le lire ... que ce soit en anglais ou en francais c'est toujours aussi complique Nov 05 15:11:08 :) Nov 05 15:13:08 chouimat French and english version, cool, one of my friend is going to vancouver. there is a job to take here Nov 05 15:13:35 BabelO: I just got the english one ... Nov 05 15:21:41 nice, apmd on the greenphone fails as well Nov 05 15:22:00 breaching security Nov 05 15:22:06 this whole SXE thing doesn't seem to be working too good Nov 05 15:23:03 ljp: would it be possible to provide a greenphone flash image with SXE disabled? this causes a lot of trouble over here :/ Nov 05 17:45:41 Sput: the one at qtopia.net should be no sxe Nov 05 17:51:00 ljp: the one labeled as 4.3.0-preview? Nov 05 17:57:53 ljp: how much size is qtopia directory on neo image ? Nov 05 18:38:55 4.3.0 Nov 05 18:39:13 BabelO_: wiith or without helix? Nov 05 18:40:15 46 mb uncompressed Nov 05 21:22:57 http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/android_overview.html mh :) Nov 05 21:32:04 so we will see official HTC linux phone soon?! :) Nov 05 21:41:19 j0tt: cool news ;) what is base ? java ? :( Nov 05 22:01:30 hi ljp Nov 05 22:02:10 don't know, we'll see - atleast its a linux kernel so the userland should be free to modify ;) Nov 05 22:04:11 on 12 nov we'll probably know all the details :) Nov 05 22:04:46 j0tt: don't expect too much ... some device need an signed and encripted flash and the utility to generated it is unavailable ... /me is talking of the achos devices :) Nov 05 22:05:40 yeah maybe.. but i still guess it makes hacking easier.. Nov 05 22:06:07 * Sput wonders what'll happen with Android and Qtopia Nov 05 22:06:12 sounds like serious competition :/ Nov 05 22:06:17 yep :/ Nov 05 22:07:14 we'll see how commited the OPEN in the handset alliance really is ;) Nov 05 22:08:24 yeah, if it's actually an OPEN, a Qtopia port should be possible Nov 05 22:09:56 ". Some companies have contributed significant intellectual property to the Alliance that will be released under the Apache v2 Open Source license. " Nov 05 22:10:02 at least one can read lines like this Nov 05 22:10:33 still i am really curious what the underlying gui will be made of .. Nov 05 22:11:07 the apache license is probably not too bad Nov 05 22:11:12 one of the guys in the video was talking about being able to "run X and GTK" i think Nov 05 22:11:28 so it seems to be that open Nov 05 22:11:39 and it will make use of opengl es .. Nov 05 22:11:56 at least when reading between the lines :) Nov 05 22:12:07 yay, GTK -_- Nov 05 22:12:13 I wonder why people still use that crap Nov 05 22:12:23 because of LGPL :( Nov 05 22:16:13 Sput: LGPL == no need to pay anyone (for cheap managers) Nov 05 22:17:09 true, I always forget that Nov 05 22:17:40 makes sense that google uses a permissive license, seeing they get their revenue from ads Nov 05 22:19:41 but all those big players in the google boat is kind of scary :P Nov 05 22:21:45 this will be an interesting week Nov 05 22:26:30 world's going open lately Nov 05 22:26:37 yeah next week will be even more interesting when they release the SDK and further specs ;) Nov 05 22:26:45 next thing is to kill software patents Nov 05 22:27:06 yeehaa Nov 05 22:27:25 hehe, Sput don't hold your breath Nov 05 23:04:20 too bad the lgpl isn't about free software Nov 05 23:05:20 ljp: well, it is... about free-as-in-beer software Nov 05 23:06:07 that generates huge amounts of money for people not involved in development Nov 05 23:34:09 Sput: no, its about commercial software Nov 05 23:34:41 ljp: that's what I meant :) sounds free, but in reality it's about making big bucks off the work of others Nov 05 23:35:07 but they do not realize the relinking requirement involved with lgpl Nov 05 23:35:08 without contributing back Nov 05 23:38:15 ywp Nov 05 23:38:19 yep, that is Nov 05 23:42:33 * rwhitby notes conversations with real Google developer advocates happening in #android ... Nov 05 23:43:07 (best to know your competition :-) Nov 05 23:45:12 *join* Nov 05 23:47:05 of course they can't say anything substantive until next week **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 23:50:56 2007