**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 25 02:59:56 2007 Nov 25 16:26:33 lalalalala Nov 25 16:27:23 fafafafafa Nov 25 16:27:45 'tis the season... Nov 25 17:21:28 hmmm Nov 25 17:21:49 ok, now I flashed my greenphone with the current flash image (the one labeled with 4.3.0-preview) Nov 25 17:22:27 and I can't install my package, because it complains about "package descriptor incomplete: Files field is empty/non-existent" Nov 25 17:22:33 so now I wonder how I get that field into the qpd Nov 25 17:22:42 also, SXE is still enabled, which probably means I can't use QSettings... Nov 25 17:26:27 any hints on how to make my application run on the actual phone? runs fine in the simulator... and the deadline is fast approaching... Nov 25 17:26:30 ljp? :) Nov 25 17:35:16 Sput: i m doing same thing than you Nov 25 17:37:07 Sput: on this link there is a flash image too but named neo ??? http://qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=48 Nov 25 17:38:34 BabelO: yeah saw that Nov 25 17:39:04 BabelO: so you haven't found a solution either? Nov 25 17:39:08 Sput: so you send a qpk for 4.3.0 Nov 25 17:39:16 Sput: no, same Nov 25 17:39:40 ljp told me once that he provided a flash image without SXE enabled, but apparently it's not the one you get at qtopia.net Nov 25 17:39:56 well, tried my app on 4.2, and while it runs fine in the simulator, it crashes the greenphone Nov 25 17:40:02 Sput: i ve to try with other option Nov 25 17:40:34 no idea why Nov 25 17:40:35 which 5 days before the deadline is not something you like to happen :) Nov 25 17:41:34 well, we still don't know what the deadline is for, do we? Nov 25 17:41:49 I am going to send in something that isn't even nearly finished, though it might be enough to be a proof of concept Nov 25 17:41:57 Sput: my other problem is that i need additionnal libraries, so i m looking for some solution Nov 25 17:42:34 and if I don't manage to test it on the greenphone, they'll have to test it in the simulator as well... I don't think I'll have time enough to do low-level debugging on the hardware :/ Nov 25 17:43:01 Sput: how do you flash 4.3 ? you follow wiki ? Nov 25 17:43:33 I use usbflash Nov 25 17:43:35 usbflash /path/to/image Nov 25 17:43:38 and then follow instructions on-screen Nov 25 17:44:43 basically just plug in the phone pressing # Nov 25 17:46:41 Sput: ok uploading :) Nov 25 17:47:31 Sput: so you use sdk for 4.3.0 ... i ve to download it too ;), not sure my compiler is ok with greenphone Nov 25 17:47:49 well, I installed the SDK and copied the files from the vmware to my real system Nov 25 17:47:52 works fine Nov 25 17:48:34 also did some magic to udev and network scripts, so when I plug in the phone, it's automatically recognized and the network interface is started Nov 25 17:48:41 ok, i ve the build system of neo .. Nov 25 17:51:00 i think i ve to write a clean README file to build app and dependancy from wirtual machine Nov 25 17:51:35 I got rid of external deps, thank god Nov 25 17:51:51 if your 3rd party lib is GPL, you could include them within your project Nov 25 17:51:56 we used to do that Nov 25 17:55:33 hm ok, apparently the flash image from the webpage is quite a bit older than the one from the SDK Nov 25 17:55:41 the one from the SDK can install my app (no complaints about missing stuff), but it does not execute it because I try to write stuff with qsettings Nov 25 18:02:03 Sput: SDK provided a flash image too ? Nov 25 18:02:33 yep Nov 25 18:02:35 in /opt/Qtopia/extras Nov 25 18:03:05 it's newer Nov 25 18:03:34 but also has SXE enabled Nov 25 18:03:36 teh suckage -_- Nov 25 18:04:02 I mean I wouldn't mind that, if there is any pkg.domain (which are not documented) that allows me to use QSettings Nov 25 18:10:32 hi ladies and gentlemen Nov 25 18:13:45 gna. "QuasselTopia has breached security policies... attempt to mkdir /home/Settings/quassel" Nov 25 18:14:34 there _must_ be a pkg.domain that allows me to store settings Nov 25 18:15:46 hi chouimat Nov 25 18:16:02 hey chouimat Nov 25 18:16:16 where are the ringtones ? Nov 25 18:17:36 ljp, jorgenpt: if you guys know what to do (or which pkg.domain to use) to use QSettings on an SXE-enabled phone, please let me know :) Nov 25 18:47:53 Sput: wuick question, i ve forgotten again greenphone sdk root password ;) Nov 25 18:49:05 eh, don't need one Nov 25 18:49:07 doesn't have one Nov 25 18:49:15 * chouimat is trying to compile qss2 Nov 25 18:49:37 chouimat: i ve compiled qss2 with success yesturday evening ;) Nov 25 18:49:41 BabelO: in 4.2 you needed to "reacquire auth key", in 4.3 you should be able to simply ssh into it Nov 25 18:50:00 Sput: no, for vmware image Nov 25 18:50:29 BabelO: for 4.3.0? ipk? Nov 25 18:50:35 ah, that's just 'root' Nov 25 18:50:37 no, it's not documented, but that's about the first I try :) Nov 25 18:50:51 chouimat: downloaded from qtropia.net and compiled with 4.3.0 sources Nov 25 18:51:02 BabelO: I want to use Master of Puppets as ringtone :) Nov 25 18:51:11 Sput: thx Nov 25 18:51:42 BabelO: it's what I'm trying todo ... I was hoping they had a nice ipk ... me being lazy today Nov 25 18:52:09 chouimat: lol ;), how do you use qss2 once compiled, i just start it, it recognize wav plugin, but not mp3, i think i forgot to copy libmad to phone ;) Nov 25 18:54:01 plugindecoder.cpp:22:33: error: qtopia/qtopiaglobal.h: No such file or directory Nov 25 18:54:01 plugindecoder.cpp:30:36: error: qtopia/qtopianamespace.h: No such file or directory Nov 25 18:54:07 BabelO: I get this ^^^ Nov 25 18:55:41 chouimat: yes it is qtopiabase now Nov 25 18:56:53 BabelO: didn't touch qtopia for over a month ... so I doubt I will be able to finish my application for friday ... new job and stuff Nov 25 18:57:56 chouimat: i ve removed some functionnality buggy for friday Nov 25 18:58:31 BabelO: I'm currently in the middle of a huge redesign so ... Nov 25 18:59:57 chouimat: ok :( Nov 25 19:00:40 BabelO: did qssmididecoder compiler for you? Nov 25 19:02:35 chouimat: I know that problem... and we still don't know what the deadline is for anyway... Nov 25 19:02:37 not even ljp seems to know Nov 25 19:03:18 Sput: the worse thing that can happens is for me to return the device :) Nov 25 19:04:08 BabelO: Sput hopefully the dust from the new job will settle soon ( I mean in a few weeks) Nov 25 19:04:35 chouimat: who knows... but I can't imagine that they would want to have the used phones back Nov 25 19:04:51 chouimat: I expect to have something real decent ready by the end of the year as well... but right now, the qtopia client is still very limited Nov 25 19:05:02 plus, I couldn't run it on the actual device yet, only in the simulator Nov 25 19:06:02 Sput: same for me ... because I can't afford the price of internet with my phone and the app keep crashing the server Nov 25 19:06:35 hm, you can do internet via USB Nov 25 19:06:42 but in my case it's the SXE policies, and I don't know how to change that Nov 25 19:07:48 Sput: I can, but this won't tell me if the protocol is too "fat" for cellphone use ... and with the server crashing everytime I make a request ... I start to think it wasn't a good idea Nov 25 19:08:00 RAM is also an issue for me Nov 25 19:10:35 but I can't know before running it on the actual device Nov 25 19:11:40 BabelO: can you send me your compile of qss2? with the required libs ;) Nov 25 19:12:23 chouimat: i comment out midi, else you can compile it with timidity librarie Nov 25 19:13:06 chouimat: yes i can, but i need to compile it into vmware sdk 4.3.0 before :) Nov 25 19:14:31 hmmm vmware does not seem to see greenphone to usbflash ... grhhh Nov 25 19:14:42 works with previous image Nov 25 19:17:28 * chouimat goes play with kvm and do the dishes ... Nov 25 20:20:04 BabelO: there? Nov 25 20:20:17 goxboxlive: yes Nov 25 20:20:35 BabelO: do you use your Greenphone as a daily phone yet? Nov 25 20:20:49 goxboxlive: no, just to test app Nov 25 20:21:27 BabelO: why dont you use it as a daily phone? Isent it stable enough ? Nov 25 20:22:39 goxboxlive: yes it is stabl, but my artemis is better ;) and more battery life Nov 25 20:23:10 BabelO: how long does the greenphone last before you have to charge it again? Nov 25 20:23:54 goxboxlive: one days or two, no more Nov 25 20:24:10 second day is really short Nov 25 20:25:36 ok, like universal if you use it a lot (running wince) Nov 25 20:26:10 you don't need to use the gp alot to suck its battery empty ;) Nov 25 20:26:44 ok :-) Nov 25 20:26:46 * jott uses the gp as a "real phone" Nov 25 20:27:31 i would have tried that too. Are you running 4.3.x? Nov 25 20:27:52 i suppose the only thing that really annoys me, is that the hang-up key does not really work :/ Nov 25 20:28:07 yeah i use 4.3.. Nov 25 20:28:09 jott: really Nov 25 20:28:21 jott: do you use the finxi theme? Nov 25 20:28:28 i started to use it as a phone shortly after 4.3 was released Nov 25 20:28:51 i used it for some time but switched back to the default theme .. Nov 25 20:28:54 I have made qvga of the dialer and home screen if you want it. Nov 25 20:28:55 ok Nov 25 20:29:09 there are some places where buttons the middle button is needed ;) Nov 25 20:29:23 yeah i also fixed the layout issues.. ;) Nov 25 20:29:35 and i don't use the dialer screen.. Nov 25 20:30:03 right because of the keypad :-) Nov 25 20:30:04 because quick dial is one of the best features ;) Nov 25 20:30:16 yeah and because quick dial is really nice Nov 25 20:32:19 right Nov 25 20:32:21 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6947770-claims.html hmmm..that sounds quite like it :P Nov 25 20:32:55 well kind of at least ;) Nov 25 20:33:58 and i have photos of nearly all of my contacts - so dialing is fun with qtopia ;) Nov 25 20:35:05 jott: Ok, i have tested it a little with htcuniversal, but we lacks too much support in the linux kernel so i cant use it as a daily phone. But at least the phone and sms is working Nov 25 20:35:46 I'd really loved to have it running onmy magician, but we just cant get the multiplexer working, so i guess we have to wait until TT has looked at the bug. Nov 25 20:36:12 * chouimat us his gp has a daily phone and hate the standard ringtones Nov 25 20:36:35 * jott only use vibrate .. ringtones are evil :P Nov 25 20:36:41 Magician has good linux support now, the battery last much longer than universal. Unknown with modem running, but without it's quite good Nov 25 20:37:00 jott: I want to use Master of Puppets for ringtone :) Nov 25 20:38:58 hehe how about white noise as ringtone? ;) Nov 25 20:40:04 best thing about having no ringtone is, that you can not forget to turn it off in inadequate situations ;) Nov 25 20:45:23 true Nov 25 20:50:45 jott: I got services on the phone only today Nov 25 21:23:37 ok, i can flash with my host system ... don't know why vmware fail with usb, it works one time Nov 25 21:36:26 BabelO: here vmware can't see any usb devices Nov 25 21:39:55 chouimat: yes, it works only first time, it say usb 4-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 26 02:59:57 2007