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Jan 03 03:16:10 <paulproteus> ljp, Are there specs for how to make a non-Outlook sync client for Qtopia?
Jan 03 03:35:52 <bluelightning> that's something I would be interested in as well
Jan 03 03:38:39 <ljp> i think the sync agent is now getting documented
Jan 03 03:39:05 <paulproteus> So basically I should just wait until those docs are released?  Any guess as to when they may be?
Jan 03 03:42:33 <ljp> i think 4.3.1
Jan 03 03:42:46 <paulproteus> Awesome.
Jan 03 03:42:58 <paulproteus> Any guess when *that* might be? (-:
Jan 03 03:43:42 <ljp> soonish
Jan 03 03:43:47 <ljp> :)
Jan 03 03:50:21 <paulproteus> Is there a way to get Qtopia to rotate itself while it is running?
Jan 03 03:50:43 <ljp> thats being worked on as we speak
Jan 03 03:51:00 <ljp> just need to touch up a bug
Jan 03 03:53:06 <paulproteus> That's very exciting.
Jan 03 04:01:06 <ljp> :)
Jan 03 08:34:32 <goxboxlive> good morning
Jan 03 09:47:42 <BabelO> morning
Jan 03 10:28:19 <goxboxlive> BabelO: hi
Jan 03 10:29:09 <BabelO> hi goxboxlive
Jan 03 10:29:35 <BabelO> goxboxlive: universal run better and better ;), maybe i have to buy one ;)
Jan 03 10:30:32 <goxboxlive> BabelO: yes it does, quit good now. Only Qtopia miss to many applications now .-) . I am using my uni as my main phone now
Jan 03 10:31:43 <BabelO> goxboxlive: what do you need, nice way to start wifi ? for example from homescreen
Jan 03 10:32:00 <goxboxlive> I wish we had a web browser, a terminal and a filemanager
Jan 03 10:32:37 <goxboxlive> BabelO: that should be quite easy. I will start BT/Wifi  with devtools like ljp does for the Neo
Jan 03 10:33:14 <BabelO> goxboxlive: for web browser, once you get webkit running, should be fast, jott has done something like this
Jan 03 10:33:18 <goxboxlive> we should have the cam driver, that would be great.
Jan 03 10:33:41 <goxboxlive> ok
Jan 03 10:34:42 <BabelO> goxboxlive: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6939443044.html
Jan 03 10:37:46 <goxboxlive> ok sounds good
Jan 03 10:42:46 <BabelO> jott: have you a link to webkit repo you use ? is it the main ?
Jan 03 11:16:27 <kiozen> BabelO: do you know if QWS_SIZE works for qvfb?
Jan 03 11:16:48 <BabelO> kiozen: yes it works
Jan 03 11:17:05 <kiozen> hm, I set it but runqtopia ignores it :(
Jan 03 11:17:58 <kiozen> BabelO: export QWS_SIZE="480x640"
Jan 03 11:18:08 <kiozen> That is the syntax isn't it?
Jan 03 11:21:45 <BabelO> kiozen: i don't use the "
Jan 03 11:22:21 <kiozen> BabelO:  tried both and started qvfb - same result :(
Jan 03 11:22:23 <BabelO> kiozen: you set it where ? inside runqtopia ? or in qvfb script ?
Jan 03 11:22:33 <kiozen> shell
Jan 03 11:22:39 <BabelO> and to have a nice look set also mm
Jan 03 11:23:00 <kiozen> BabelO: gets ingnore, too
Jan 03 11:23:17 <BabelO> kiozen: on my computer, i do all from command line without these scripts, i ve my one
Jan 03 11:23:30 <BabelO> because skin are very big 
Jan 03 11:25:31 <kiozen> BabelO: yes, that what I plan to do, too. but I do not want to enter each time the configure dialog just to set the display size correctly
Jan 03 11:25:49 <kiozen> BabelO: btw, where do I have to hit it to make it run as normal user?
Jan 03 11:27:30 <BabelO> kiozen: ah you have same issue than me
Jan 03 11:27:42 <kiozen> ??
Jan 03 11:28:18 <BabelO> kiozen: mine does not run with a normal user, only as root
Jan 03 11:28:28 <BabelO> i did not look for more this issue
Jan 03 11:28:40 <kiozen> BabelO: grr, not the simplest thing works out ouf the box with that stuff... geek toy
Jan 03 11:29:14 <BabelO> kiozen: so you recompile the SDK ? and you can start your app in virtual qtopia ?
Jan 03 11:29:36 <kiozen> BabelO: kind of...
Jan 03 11:29:50 <kiozen> qpe refuses to start cleanly
Jan 03 11:30:26 <kiozen> BabelO: it says please wait and nothing happens
Jan 03 11:31:17 <kiozen> BabelO: this stuff drives me nuts
Jan 03 11:31:53 <BabelO> it say please wait ? in a dialog box with "..." ?
Jan 03 11:32:20 <BabelO> kiozen: 
Jan 03 11:32:35 <kiozen> BabelO: yes
Jan 03 11:33:14 <BabelO> kiozen: so, this one i think i know why ;)
Jan 03 11:33:26 <BabelO> kiozen: did you set the modem device and related plugin to no ,
Jan 03 11:33:26 <BabelO> ?
Jan 03 11:34:08 <kiozen> BabelO: of course not. I expect the default to work
Jan 03 11:35:18 <kiozen> BabelO: and with the precompiled SDK it was working, some other window was emulating a network.. If I would know which one.,..
Jan 03 11:36:13 <BabelO> kiozen: you have to set it ;) yes there is  a modem simulator, better is to remove modem support and it should work now
Jan 03 11:36:43 <BabelO> kiozen: do you have the config lines ?
Jan 03 11:36:58 <kiozen> BabelO: so it's just another compiler orgie...
Jan 03 11:37:00 <kiozen> yes
Jan 03 11:37:28 <BabelO> use these lines and it should be ok
Jan 03 11:37:46 <BabelO> lunch time
Jan 03 11:37:48 <BabelO> bbl
Jan 03 11:38:24 <kiozen> BabelO: me too, I am in a bad mood already - let's get some pizza...
Jan 03 13:38:36 <BabelO> goxboxlive: do you have a working Universal qtopia image ( the one you run for day to day use)  for  me ?
Jan 03 13:40:23 <goxboxlive> BabelO: yes, i have the opt folder and some roadmap stuff in it. I'll upload  the tar.bz2 file when i get homw. I havent tested it on magian.
Jan 03 13:40:49 <goxboxlive> actually i am creatiing one now with devtools added.
Jan 03 13:47:46 <BabelO> ok
Jan 03 14:26:59 <eject_ck> Hi all, I want build very simple graphical application to use it in my car (something like dashpc) in QT. Are Qtopia OK for this ?
Jan 03 14:29:09 <chouimat|work> morning
Jan 03 14:35:01 <eject_ck> Where I can get answer for my question ?
Jan 03 16:10:04 <kiozen> BabelO: eureka! I have got it working, but what a waste of time! 
Jan 03 16:11:02 <chouimat|work> kiozen: if you learned something it's not a waste of time
Jan 03 16:11:13 <BabelO> kiozen: once it is done, now, never change your computer ;)
Jan 03 16:11:50 <kiozen> chouimat|work: I did not learn anything except how to make some nasty fixes.
Jan 03 16:12:05 <BabelO> kiozen: be carefull with your mmHeigh and mmWidth, else font and components will be bad
Jan 03 16:12:19 <kiozen> BabelO: that was my last problem
Jan 03 16:12:37 <kiozen> QWS_DISPLAY is ignored bravely by runqtopia
Jan 03 16:12:50 <kiozen> Thus is pasted in the script
Jan 03 16:13:55 <kiozen> s/is/I
Jan 03 16:14:40 <kiozen> Now the only missing thing is make runqtopia as user, not as root
Jan 03 17:19:05 <kiozen> BabelO: you ever tried to make a out of source build with qtopiamake?
Jan 03 19:32:21 <kiozen> hm, just wonder if it is possible to check at runtime if qpe is running or not....?
Jan 03 19:32:56 <kiozen> ljp: you know something about that?
Jan 03 19:47:01 <BabelO> hey kiozen, what was your question i miss it at work
Jan 03 19:47:44 <kiozen> BabelO: hi :) do you know if you can do out of source builds with qtopiamake?
Jan 03 19:47:56 <kiozen> like cmake
Jan 03 19:48:21 <kiozen> or does cmake work? (guess not..)
Jan 03 19:48:49 <kiozen> that would make it easier to compile for two different pletforms
Jan 03 19:49:02 <kiozen> s/pletforms/platforms
Jan 03 19:49:05 <BabelO> kiozen: what do you mean by out of source ? i use qtopiamake in my devel tree only with qtopia header and libraries from my rootfs
Jan 03 19:49:24 <BabelO> kiozen: yes it works with cmake ;) i use it for my prerequies libraries
Jan 03 19:50:10 <kiozen> BabelO: out of source build means to put all intermediate files into a completely separate directory
Jan 03 19:50:38 <kiozen> BabelO: good for maintining different target platforms
Jan 03 19:50:53 <kiozen> but if cmake works that's cool enought.
Jan 03 19:50:58 <BabelO> kiozen: yes it works then, i use it like this, i take my depot path bin/ directory and only include directory from same place
Jan 03 19:51:38 <BabelO> kiozen: yes, but only latest cmake support cross compiling i have make some tweak to have mine working ;) look at my web site 
Jan 03 19:52:07 <kiozen> I'll have a look, thanks..
Jan 03 19:53:04 <kiozen> BabelO: "Joomla! - le portail dynamique et système de gestion de contenu." you have to set the meta describtor :)
Jan 03 19:53:56 <BabelO> lol, yes lot of thing to do, actually i m playing with BA kernel and HTC artemis kernel, i hope my gps works :)
Jan 03 20:14:15 <ljp> kiozen: ps aux 
Jan 03 20:14:25 <ljp> ps aux | grep qpe
Jan 03 20:15:05 <kiozen> ljp: lol, ok the good old way :)
Jan 03 20:15:43 <ljp> yep
Jan 03 20:16:25 <kiozen> ljp: any ideas for that "out of build", somehow the stuff I discussed with BabelO does not want to work..
Jan 03 20:16:39 <kiozen> ooops, "out of source build"
Jan 03 20:17:05 <kiozen> the depot stuff seems to be for qtopia itself only
Jan 03 20:17:40 <BabelO> original http://sleet.web.elte.hu/files/Loituma%20-%20Leva's%20polka2.mp3
Jan 03 20:17:52 <BabelO> oups sorry ;)
Jan 03 20:17:54 <ljp> shadow build? set QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH to where your qtopia sources are
Jan 03 20:18:51 <kiozen> ljp: don't want to do it for qtopia, but for my own app. 
Jan 03 20:19:28 <ljp> hmm
Jan 03 20:19:50 <ljp> you can only edit the pro file to make sub directories for object/moc/ui files
Jan 03 20:21:31 <kiozen> the idea is to have a build with one configuration in one directory and with another in a different directory.
Jan 03 20:21:53 <kiozen> by that I can compile boi
Jan 03 20:22:09 <kiozen> both build without modifications
Jan 03 20:22:43 <ljp> you can set MOC_DIR and OBJECTS_DIR with PLATFORM or something. I would have to look into this though to know what it is for sure
Jan 03 20:23:50 <kiozen> hm, still have to run qtopiamake each time I want to switch...
Jan 03 20:24:46 <ljp> or just setup two different makefiles. i think that still works
Jan 03 20:25:04 <ljp> qtopiamake has a few tricks to output things
Jan 03 20:25:45 <kiozen> what about two targets? and compile both at a time....
Jan 03 20:26:07 <kiozen> that might work, I'll try....
Jan 03 20:26:10 <ljp> dont think thats possible
Jan 03 20:29:37 <kiozen> then I have to bug the cmake guys to add qtopia support :)
Jan 03 21:20:50 <ljp> sounds good!
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