**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 02:59:56 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 04 05:20:12 2008 Jan 04 05:39:06 good morning Jan 04 07:09:37 goxboxlive: did you compile qtroadmap? Jan 04 07:13:07 ljp: yes Jan 04 07:13:16 well i got some help from tsdog Jan 04 07:20:21 did you use a release version, or cvs? Jan 04 07:20:38 i would like to get it more qtopia ish Jan 04 07:20:54 i think right now its just a qt app, right? Jan 04 07:23:15 i wonder why there's no alsa modules Jan 04 07:38:03 ljp: i used the mailine version from sourceforge, not the xanadux version. Jan 04 07:38:13 ljp: yes, it's a qt app AFAIK Jan 04 07:38:41 Alsamodules in the rootfs? Jan 04 07:40:57 yes Jan 04 08:17:46 ljp: i have no idea why is isent icluded. Have you checked the defconfig if it's there or not? Jan 04 08:17:57 not yet Jan 04 09:38:50 morning qtopia :) Jan 04 09:54:59 evening :) Jan 04 10:00:37 ljp: is there a way to execute runqtopia as user and not as root (and not sudo)? Jan 04 10:04:28 yes Jan 04 10:04:43 is this on a deive? or for qvfb? Jan 04 10:04:45 device Jan 04 10:05:25 ljp: qvfb Jan 04 10:05:43 everyone at work runs it as user Jan 04 10:06:34 device access like camera might need some permissions help Jan 04 10:06:57 I dont think we do anything too special Jan 04 10:08:39 "I dont think we do anything too special" :) good hint. That made me look into the /tmp dir once again. Old dirs owned by root in the way... Jan 04 10:09:09 slowly this thing gets perfect... Jan 04 14:29:52 morning Jan 04 16:56:43 Can anyone refer me to a wiki for qtopia on the neo? Jan 04 16:57:12 What I'm looking for specifically right now is a URL for downloading new apps, but I also have questions about volume control, gps, terminal, etc. Jan 04 17:22:40 OK, I find all of my questions on qtopia.net's neo forum, but either no answers or bad answers :-( Jan 04 17:22:49 sorry, almost all of my questions Jan 04 17:53:41 Is the qtopia forum on www.qtopia.net and the one-pager on wiki.openmoko.org all the info we have on QTopia on the neo? Jan 04 17:53:57 s/qtopia forum/neo forum/ Jan 04 17:55:35 Is there anyone *really* in this channel? Jan 04 18:07:26 yes. Jan 04 18:08:47 just ask away,,, I will answer at some point :) Jan 04 18:09:17 * ljp goes to get a cuppa java and tries to wake up Jan 04 18:16:35 ljp: Is there another source of info for qtopia on neo than the qtopia.net forums, the one page on wiki.openmoko.org, and this channel? Jan 04 18:16:43 'cause the info seems a little light on those sources Jan 04 18:17:17 what do you want to know? Jan 04 18:17:37 there are not many 3rd party apps yet Jan 04 18:17:40 Is it possible to get a terminal on qtopia on neo Jan 04 18:17:56 And I'm having a weird sound issue - first I could play mp3s, now I can't Jan 04 18:18:00 possible? yes. but there's none working at this time Jan 04 18:18:10 which image are you using? Jan 04 18:18:13 And I can't see how to change the volume Jan 04 18:18:21 lemme go double check... Jan 04 18:18:22 * BabelO see that konsole for qtopia will be a very popular application Jan 04 18:18:46 qtopia-rootfs.2-12192309.jffs2 Jan 04 18:18:47 * ljp sees that too and wishes someone would hack it :) Jan 04 18:19:49 qtopia is much more beautimous than openmoko Jan 04 18:20:01 and the apps that are there are more polished Jan 04 18:20:10 agreed. and works better, too Jan 04 18:20:20 but... no gps, terminal, video player are pretty big drawbacks Jan 04 18:20:41 w/o gps I'll have to go back to openmoko, which stinks because what's in qtopia is so much nicer Jan 04 18:20:50 mostly due to maturity, I'm sure Jan 04 18:20:50 helix can be compiled for it, but we dont have rights to distribute the codecs Jan 04 18:21:04 goxboxlive has a gps image Jan 04 18:21:35 thanks, I'll check it out! Jan 04 18:21:36 http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/images/ Jan 04 18:22:32 i was going to work on qtopia'ifying roadmap so it fits in better with qtopia Jan 04 18:23:19 because right now, you cant multitask between apps because its really just a qt app and doesnt show up to qtopia Jan 04 18:23:59 you cannot believe how much time a 2 year old takes away form projects :) Jan 04 18:24:04 from Jan 04 18:24:16 i dont really have time away from work to really code Jan 04 18:25:26 wurp2: yes. it seems openmoko gui development is very slow going Jan 04 18:25:39 but thats what they got for going to an inferior toolkit Jan 04 18:26:01 I can certainly believe it, having a 12 yr old, 6 yr old and 3 yr old ;-) Jan 04 18:26:24 I have no preference (or real knowledge) between qt & gtk Jan 04 18:26:33 once they are older though and have older siblings they can better take care of themselves Jan 04 18:26:50 In fact, I plan to find or build a generic python windowing library and write my apps to be compatible with both Jan 04 18:26:52 I am slightly biased :) Jan 04 18:27:24 You're slightly crazy, too, if you think a 11 & 5 & 2 yr old is easier to take care of than one 2 yr old ;-) Jan 04 18:28:02 yes. the 11 year old can take care of the other two! ;) Jan 04 18:28:18 that 'can' is in some hypothetical world I've never seen Jan 04 18:28:20 at least, they can follow him/her around a Jan 04 18:28:30 that said, it does get much easier when they hit 3 Jan 04 18:28:40 geez. i hope so Jan 04 18:28:45 no more diapers & they can feed themselves, and less likely to electrocute themselves Jan 04 18:28:58 poison themselves, etc. Jan 04 18:29:17 oh joy Jan 04 18:29:43 * bhughes_ eyes his 3 week old son and wonders what kind of mischief he's going to cause Jan 04 18:30:21 I only had one electrocution Jan 04 18:30:29 lots if hes like my 2 year old, Jan 04 18:30:37 and three occasions of saving from drowning Jan 04 18:30:51 needs swimming lessons Jan 04 18:31:09 both my kids have had that since 6 weeks old Jan 04 18:31:15 one punctured eardrum, one lip split wide requiring stitches Jan 04 18:31:20 they've had swimming lessons Jan 04 18:31:23 we have a pool Jan 04 18:31:35 I still don't stand by & watch 'em when they fall in accidentally Jan 04 18:31:47 they *might* not have drowned, but it wasn't a question I wanted the answer to Jan 04 18:32:05 understandable Jan 04 18:38:36 * ljp logs into digg to comment Jan 04 18:42:37 hi lorn, will you be at fosdem this year again? Jan 04 18:43:47 maybe but doubtful Jan 04 18:45:37 * chouimat|work continues do cause mischief ... according to my mother :)\ Jan 04 19:06:19 ljp: So the short answer to my original question about other sources of info is: the ones I listed are basically it Jan 04 19:06:42 yes. an dme :) Jan 04 19:06:46 and me Jan 04 19:10:55 Do you know what it would take to get a wiki going? Jan 04 19:11:38 For example, if I just created a TWiki on my server box, or created qtopia-on-neo.pbwiki.com, could I get trolltech to list it as a link? Jan 04 19:14:30 sure Jan 04 19:23:24 wurp2, I think you'd be best off (ab)using wiki.openmoko.org BTW! Jan 04 19:24:28 paulproteus: Good point. My concern is that openmoko might not take too kindly to a load of qtopia pages on the site they host Jan 04 19:24:46 they are semi ok with qtopia on neo Jan 04 19:25:06 paulproteus: and the pages would then be at their mercy. I like openmoko & the openmoko crew; it just seems like a conflict of interest. Jan 04 19:25:13 even if it does make them look really bad. fic just wants to sell hardware Jan 04 19:26:52 wurp2, I think you should leave it there for now; they won't be jerks and delete it abruptly, so if they ask it to move, you can move it hten. Jan 04 19:27:10 (Or handhelds.org I suppose, but openmoko'ers won't expect to look on hh.org.) Jan 04 19:28:04 I think the openmoko.org wiki makes the most sense. Just start there, wurp2. (-: Jan 04 19:28:11 paulproteus: Agreed. The other factor weighing against that is the ungainly page names required (since they all have to say QTopia and Neo1973 GTA01 in the page name), but that's a minor hassle. Jan 04 19:28:21 Heh. Jan 04 19:28:35 wurp2, On the openmoko wiki you can just say QTopia and not say GTA01 yet. Jan 04 19:28:45 After all, GTA01 is the only currently-existing openmoko-brand hardware. Jan 04 19:29:13 except its spelled Qtopia Jan 04 19:29:26 :) Jan 04 19:29:28 (-: Jan 05 00:52:34 ljp, File: qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.1-snapshot-20080104.tar.gz 01/04/2008 03:00:00 AM Jan 05 00:52:42 The latest snapshot is 0 bytes? ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots Jan 05 01:56:05 hmmm Jan 05 01:56:45 It's also not listed in the MD5SUMs file. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 05 02:59:57 2008