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Jan 28 05:34:05 <goxboxlive> good morning
Jan 28 05:34:13 <ljp> hiya
Jan 28 05:53:26 <goxboxlive> ljp: did ou test the rotation stuff with the NEO?
Jan 28 06:22:33 <ljp> not yet
Jan 28 06:23:15 <goxboxlive> please test, with dynamic_rotation and transformed in your configure file
Jan 28 07:08:54 <ljp> http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236
Jan 28 08:29:23 <ronr> hi, I run qtopia on a qtek 9000, however I miss a terminal application (I want to use the qtek to do remote emergency server repairs over ssh), is there one somewhere? can I get one somewhere?
Jan 28 08:39:19 <goxboxlive> ronr: if there where one i would have included it to the image you are running
Jan 28 08:39:48 <ronr> goxboxlive: ok, so there simply is no terminal, is there a ssh application?
Jan 28 08:40:32 <goxboxlive> ronr: no, you have to ssh in to your universal. When a termminal will be availavble i will include it to the image
Jan 28 08:41:39 <ronr> goxboxlive: too bad, I'l; probably have to go with openmoko then, a linux distribution without a bash / sh or other shell, never though I'd see the day
Jan 28 08:43:00 <goxboxlive> ronr: me neither. The drawback with the openmoko images is that they are so slow on universal, especially in landscape mode and the phone is very unstable
Jan 28 08:43:05 <goxboxlive> in example no sms
Jan 28 08:43:52 <ronr> goxboxlive: that sucks... I really hope I don't end up using that what it runs out of the box :(
Jan 28 08:45:37 <goxboxlive> i havent made any openmoko images in while now, so i dont now the status, but what i know is that the drivers for sms in openmoko for universal isent made. And it will probabply take a while before they are here.
Jan 28 08:46:01 <goxboxlive> ronr: but you can help us, why dont u write the terminal for Qtopia?
Jan 28 08:46:22 <goxboxlive> we really need help. Remember we all do this on our freetime
Jan 28 08:47:28 <ronr> goxboxlive: what would writing the terminal involve? I'm good at PHP, perl, bash and general linux stuff, but my c is pretty bad
Jan 28 08:47:41 <ljp> need c++ though
Jan 28 08:49:07 <ronr> ljp: my c++ is a little better than my c, but I haven't used in about 6 years so it's very rusty (and I only used it in a borland ide back then)
Jan 28 10:39:26 <sph> any comments about the nokia news?
Jan 28 10:48:42 <crweb> i'm interested to see if this means the Nokia 770, 800 etc is going to be Qt based now
Jan 28 11:01:48 <Stephmw> crweb: no chance
Jan 28 11:02:06 <Stephmw> crweb: I don't see them switching wholesale
Jan 28 11:02:42 <crweb> i just meant the series.
Jan 28 11:02:46 <crweb> the "next version"
Jan 28 11:03:36 <Stephmw> I dunno - I can't quite figure out their logic with the acquisition
Jan 28 11:03:57 <BabelO> n800 is already in devices qtopia tree
Jan 28 11:04:37 <Stephmw> Sure, I didn't say it's not possible to run qt on these devices
Jan 28 11:04:53 <Stephmw> jsut that with the effort and existing commercial deals it wouldn't make sense to switch
Jan 28 11:05:40 <crweb> they are a large business.  not everything makes sense
Jan 28 11:07:08 <crweb> they could be thinking of a much longer future
Jan 28 12:30:45 <crweb> anyone else have a problem with qDebug() ignoring QT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUT ?
Jan 28 14:31:53 <chouimat|work> morning
Jan 28 14:49:05 <Sput> ljp: btw, what is the current state of the grant application thingy? did you already do the evaluation so we can shut down our old testcore we keep running for you? :)
Jan 28 14:49:14 <Sput> never heard back, that's why I'm asking
Jan 28 14:50:00 <ljp> good question
Jan 28 14:55:20 <paulproteus> Congratulations to Trolltech, btw! http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/102547
Jan 28 14:55:33 <chouimat|work> hi ljp
Jan 28 15:16:07 <Stephmw> aye, congratulations ;)
Jan 28 15:16:25 <Stephmw> ljp: welcome to the collective
Jan 28 15:20:07 <ljp> resistance was futile
Jan 28 15:21:11 <chouimat|work> ljp: resistance is futile ... especially when the check is big :)
Jan 28 15:21:19 <chouimat|work> err cheque
Jan 28 15:24:54 <ljp> its not that big
Jan 28 15:27:36 <chouimat|work> ljp: :)
Jan 28 15:30:48 <Stephmw> ljp: so we can expect more [NDA] related [NDA] bits from you when you join [NDA] colleagues?
Jan 28 15:30:51 * Stephmw grins
Jan 28 15:31:12 <ljp> thats under an NDA, if youd like to sign?
Jan 28 15:31:14 * chouimat|work stop reading osnews ... too many morons there
Jan 28 15:32:58 <bipolar> ljp: does the buyout mean we'll be seeing an offical Qtopia image for the tablet series? :)
Jan 28 15:33:32 <ljp> maybe only if there can give me more than 24 hours in a day :)
Jan 28 15:33:51 <bipolar> heh
Jan 28 15:33:59 <ljp> thing is, meamo is _very_ good and integrated into those devices
Jan 28 15:34:28 <Stephmw> ljp: already have done, actually... duration of which is indeterminate... sigh
Jan 28 15:34:53 <bipolar> ljp: but... but... gtk... <wretch>...
Jan 28 15:34:57 <bipolar> :P
Jan 28 15:35:07 <ljp> :)
Jan 28 15:35:20 <ljp> cant say whats going to happen
Jan 28 15:36:02 <bipolar> NDA... right? :D
Jan 28 15:36:12 <Stephmw> bipolar: clearly we need to add a GTK layer under Qt
Jan 28 15:36:20 <Stephmw> naw, I think they really just don't know
Jan 28 15:36:24 <Stephmw> ... and I don't mean TT
Jan 28 15:36:55 <bipolar> hehe
Jan 28 15:37:35 <Stephmw> I know!
Jan 28 15:37:45 <Stephmw> write a QtJambi adapter to GTK instead of Qt :D
Jan 28 15:37:50 <Stephmw> and do all the apps in Java
Jan 28 15:37:59 * ljp shudders
Jan 28 15:38:17 <Stephmw> ljp: join the bytecode love-in :D
Jan 28 15:43:02 * ljp fires up moc to ease the pain
Jan 28 15:43:59 * Stephmw adds some VM lube
Jan 28 15:44:13 <Stephmw> so anyway, how are the kiddies?
Jan 28 15:45:30 <crweb> anyone ever notice that QWSWindow::raise()  doesn't work unless you lower all other windows first?
Jan 28 15:45:52 <crweb> qtopia core 4.3.2
Jan 28 15:47:00 <crweb> if it would just raise a window to top it would solve a ton of my issues :(
Jan 28 16:29:25 <goxboxlive> ljp: are you at work?
Jan 28 17:19:06 <crweb> ljp: is there any way to see if a QWSWindow pointer is still valid?
Jan 28 17:38:51 <crweb> main problem is i'm trying to do stuff when QWSServer::Active event occurs, but windows that are in clientWindows() get destroyed during this processings.
Jan 28 20:39:18 <__SchmRz__> Hello. I have a question for all of you :) Has anyone ever succeded in installing a version of linux on nokia 6600
Jan 28 20:39:32 <__SchmRz__> Removing Symbian and Installing Linux
Jan 28 22:46:14 <zensei> Hi
Jan 28 22:47:29 <zensei> Can anyone help with qtopia 2.2 compilation (pngscale) error?
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