**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 03 02:59:56 2008 Aug 03 11:41:57 lpotter: i've found another little funny thing... The power management just got reinstated by recieving a call... After i hung up, the screen now dims and turns off properly, as per settings :) Aug 03 12:03:20 * Sput 's Freerunner is at the post office now Aug 03 12:09:08 Yay! :) Aug 03 12:11:07 hi Aug 03 12:11:16 is gps supported on the neo? Aug 03 12:14:23 and where can I get more feeds like the one in the channel topic? Aug 03 12:29:11 jopk: Yes, but not used Aug 03 12:29:43 jopk: and you can't, really, as the whole thing isn't quite ready yet :) (you've witnessed some of the apps being a bit strange in that feed, i suspect ;) ) Aug 03 12:30:22 are there more games for the freerunner :) ? Aug 03 12:30:55 no idea :) Aug 03 12:31:50 are there stats about batterylife running qtopia und freerunner? Aug 03 15:56:02 hello everyone, I've just started using qtopia on my neo freerunner Aug 03 15:56:25 I have a couple of questions Aug 03 15:59:56 there doen't seem to be any way to filter the contact list Aug 03 16:00:18 There isn't currently no :) Aug 03 16:00:53 is fixing that as simple as allowing the keyboard to be displayed whilst contacts is open? Aug 03 16:06:32 Sort of... it's more a filter thing that's missing - a text input field which filters in the style of Amarok's or iTunes' filter :) Aug 03 20:37:20 anyone else here using qtopia on a freerunner? Aug 03 20:48:42 Yup :) Aug 03 21:00:58 Hi. Quick question for the Freerunner. Specifically, what folders do I need to backup to keep my messages, contacts and so on? I would also like to keep all of my settings if possible. Aug 03 21:15:24 leinir: what is the situation with "official" qtopia? is it going to get a web browser, a feed reader, a mail client with SSL? Aug 03 21:16:44 danw: Yes, 4.4 :) Aug 03 21:18:58 is there any type of schedule? Aug 03 21:19:21 becuase once those are in place, and battery life improves a bit, I can switch to the freerunner as a main phone Aug 03 21:20:00 Well, the last i heard was "A few weeks" :) Aug 03 21:20:07 good lord, as soon as that Aug 03 21:20:29 why do you reckon the openmoko people have seemingly almost deliberately broken _everything_ in the ASU? Aug 03 21:20:52 raster doesn't like it ;) Aug 03 21:21:12 what, he doesn't like qtopia, or he doesn't like the ASU Aug 03 21:21:29 He doesn't like what he's being forced to do with his baby ;) Aug 03 21:21:48 well, that's generally what happens when you make something free and open Aug 03 21:21:49 He'll likely be switching to FSO and hammering that one into shape :) Aug 03 21:22:01 I have no problem with that, but the point is Aug 03 21:22:06 qtopia is almost ready for prime time Aug 03 21:22:29 I have showed my freerunner to several people, with the qtopia image, and they have all said "yes I would use that phone happly" Aug 03 21:22:32 raster is the guy coding the enlightenment based shell in ASU (the same raster that wrote enlightenment to start with) Aug 03 21:22:56 ooohhh, I wondered why they settled on enlightenment, I use that on one of my desktop machines Aug 03 21:23:37 It's really all about how it works - enlightenment makes sense for this application :) Aug 03 21:24:26 The application being forcing an X server on something with such a bad screen speed, and still get reasonable framerates out of it :) Aug 03 21:25:00 If you look at Illume itself (the shell in ASU), it's draws around as snappily as qtopia does :) Aug 03 21:25:10 hmmm Aug 03 21:25:18 for me I just get loads of screen glitches Aug 03 21:26:53 ASU is completely unusable at this stage and I reckon a "release" in 5 days is laughable Aug 03 21:27:26 Well, it was quite useable when i tried it out, just that qtopia is more what i want :) Aug 03 21:27:44 architecturally it makes more sense to me on an embedded device :) Aug 03 21:27:52 yes, Aug 03 21:27:54 me too Aug 03 21:28:16 I was just worried that development on qtopia would slow massively after all this GPL copyright issue thing Aug 03 21:28:55 Eh? Aug 03 21:29:22 well, didn't trolltech take te qtopia images down Aug 03 21:30:49 That was just temporary :) Aug 03 21:30:55 oh good Aug 03 21:37:58 Anyone here tried opera on qtopia? Aug 03 21:43:41 Ah, does not work. I got opera from here: http://www.archos.com/support/download/software.html?country=global&lang=en Aug 03 21:44:21 The same thing happens when I run a 64bit linux and try to run a 32 bit executable without 32bit libraries. It sais "file not found". Aug 03 21:44:37 That is too bad. That oper could run very nicely on the freerunner. Aug 03 21:45:11 Eh, what I meant was, if it would run, it would probably not be very slow. Aug 03 22:48:33 archos qtopia uses qtopia 2 which is not compatible with the Qtopia 4 on the Neo. Qtopia 4.4 will have webkit browser Aug 03 22:49:52 let me clear this up... did trolltech port qtopia onto X11, or did openmoko team do it? Aug 03 22:50:47 danw: trolltech did it Aug 03 22:50:54 ok, Aug 03 22:51:14 so somewhere is there a qtopia-x11 image, which is basically qtopia that you could run GTK apps on Aug 03 22:52:46 The X11 port is in Qtopia 4.3 series, in theory you just have to compile 4.3.2 snapshot with the right options Aug 03 22:55:09 ... in theory? Aug 03 22:55:58 its not supported or worked on Aug 03 22:56:18 and you have to edit the correct files to even use the configure switch to enable it Aug 03 22:57:51 ok Aug 03 22:57:52 ic Aug 03 22:58:13 so it's not planned to go in that direction long term Aug 03 22:58:33 cannot really tell you. Aug 03 22:58:37 :) Aug 03 22:59:00 np I'm just curious, all the stuff I write is in qt anyway Aug 03 22:59:32 ya, I personally do not see X as something that is key to a phone/handheld Aug 03 22:59:54 qt apps are easy to make into a qtopia app. Aug 03 23:00:30 I know, that's why I like the look of i Aug 03 23:00:30 t Aug 03 23:00:53 I've written several desktop utilities that we use here ( where I work), and they would be great as qtopia apps :-D Aug 03 23:01:00 one thing I've noticed Aug 03 23:01:14 which is a deal breaker for me at the moment Aug 03 23:01:53 my neo doesn't receive text messages when it's in suspend Aug 03 23:02:14 if someone sends me an SMS, the neo wakes up from suspend, he gets a delivery report, but my text is not there Aug 03 23:02:15 that is not qtopia's fault, it is the systems Aug 03 23:02:26 if he then sends me another SMS while it's woken up, I receive all of them Aug 03 23:03:04 oh, so this will require a kernel hacker to fix :-( Aug 03 23:03:07 does that work in the other neo's guis? Aug 03 23:03:19 as far as I know its not qtopia. Aug 03 23:03:30 I have absolutely no idea, all the others are totally unusable Aug 03 23:03:36 to the point where it can't receive any SMSs Aug 03 23:04:20 actually, I haven't tried FSO yet Aug 04 01:31:34 hola Aug 04 01:32:42 I think I get text's when my neo is in suspend Aug 04 01:32:49 in fact I am pretty certain that it works Aug 04 01:33:00 but I do have the mwester kernel Aug 04 01:34:13 the only argument against X is that it consumes some extra resources...other than that the benefits of X are many, IMHO Aug 04 01:34:42 in fact with FreeNX's X extensions you can get better thin client technology performance than even VNC Aug 04 01:37:01 I also get decent battery life with that kernel Aug 04 01:37:42 my phone just rebooted when I plugged it into the USB cable :( Aug 04 01:38:09 that was bizarre Aug 04 02:23:31 odd **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 04 02:59:56 2008