**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 11 02:59:57 2008
Aug 11 03:04:23 <ljp> calypso modem is buggy
Aug 11 03:10:51 <chillywilly> hmmm?
Aug 11 03:14:10 <ljp> using AT%CSQ for getting signal quality causes the modem to be 'sleepy' and unregister.
Aug 11 03:14:28 <ljp> switching to AT+CSQ works fine
Aug 11 03:15:42 <chillywilly> this is the freerunner modem?
Aug 11 03:15:47 <ljp> yes
Aug 11 03:16:01 <ljp> and the same code (%CSQ) works fine on 1973
Aug 11 03:16:41 <chillywilly> oh well
Aug 11 04:06:00 <chillywilly> openmoko 2008.8 is pretty decent it seems
Aug 11 04:06:07 <chillywilly> have not tested SMS functionality yet
Aug 11 04:06:27 <chillywilly> but the dialer, etc. all work...even the speakerphone and they are a lot more responsive
Aug 11 04:06:35 <chillywilly> than qtopia proper
Aug 11 04:16:47 <ljp> i dont see 2008.8 is more responsive
Aug 11 04:18:46 <chillywilly> I do
Aug 11 04:19:02 <chillywilly> and the some of the application bugs I have seen before are not present
Aug 11 04:19:18 <chillywilly> like the old/new message count in the SMS apps
Aug 11 04:20:44 <chillywilly> ljp: are you comparing against 4.4?
Aug 11 04:20:50 <chillywilly> ljp: because I don't have 4.4 ;P
Aug 11 04:20:54 <ljp> no.
Aug 11 04:21:16 <chillywilly> well 4.3 is rather sluggish compared to the 2008.8 implementation of the apps
Aug 11 04:21:18 <ljp> last time i tried asu it was butt slow
Aug 11 04:21:32 <chillywilly> it's lickety split for me
Aug 11 04:21:33 <ljp> took like 10 seconds to open contacts
Aug 11 04:22:07 <chillywilly> takes a few seconds...but my comment is mainly about the responsiveness of the UI as well
Aug 11 04:22:41 <chillywilly> do they use the same databases for contacts and such?
Aug 11 04:22:59 <chillywilly> It'd be nice to be able to copy my contacts over from my qtopia backup
Aug 11 04:23:01 <ljp> i dont know what om really does with qtopia
Aug 11 04:23:08 <ljp> it should be the same
Aug 11 04:29:12 <chillywilly> takes like 2-3 seconds for the SMS app to load
Aug 11 04:29:17 <chillywilly> if that
Aug 11 04:29:40 <chillywilly> but looks like their signal and battery meters are pretty cryptic or not really functional ;P
Aug 11 08:23:36 <BabelO_> morning
Aug 11 08:23:45 <lpotter> evening
Aug 11 13:13:32 <effbiai> Ko_deZ: alive?
Aug 11 13:14:11 <Ko_deZ> effbiai: yeah
Aug 11 13:14:34 <Ko_deZ> listening to AC/DC. Could not be in a better mood =)
Aug 11 13:14:36 <effbiai> root@om-gta02:~# opkg install gpsui_0.0.1-0_arm.qpk 
Aug 11 13:14:36 <effbiai> An error ocurred, return value: 2.
Aug 11 13:14:44 <Ko_deZ> ah, right.
Aug 11 13:14:47 <effbiai> hehe, nice =) witch album?
Aug 11 13:14:59 <Ko_deZ> Ballbreaker
Aug 11 13:15:05 <effbiai> O_o
Aug 11 13:15:19 <Ko_deZ> you cannot use the opkg for the qpk files.
Aug 11 13:15:24 <effbiai> ah
Aug 11 13:15:35 <Ko_deZ> You need to use the built in package manager.
Aug 11 13:15:35 <effbiai> then how to install? :>
Aug 11 13:15:48 <effbiai> ipkg?
Aug 11 13:15:59 <Ko_deZ> no, in the gui:
Aug 11 13:16:03 <effbiai> ah
Aug 11 13:16:13 <Ko_deZ> main_menu->settings->software packages
Aug 11 13:16:34 <Ko_deZ> Then, under downloads, just add "http://kodez.homelinux.net/feed"
Aug 11 13:16:55 <Ko_deZ> Should be quite easy from there =)
Aug 11 13:17:01 <effbiai> yep )
Aug 11 13:25:34 <effbiai> Ko_deZ: in pos i'm not getting any satellites. gpsd is running, and it is running on /dev/ttySAC1 is this correct? if yes.. any clue what's wrong?
Aug 11 13:25:53 <effbiai> (yes i've tried the device outside :P)
Aug 11 13:26:09 <effbiai> and i got a fix with the OM2007.2 image
Aug 11 13:35:34 <Ko_deZ> did you try to stop and start the gps with the button?
Aug 11 13:35:57 <Ko_deZ> After starting the program there will be a text in the upper left corner.
Aug 11 13:36:03 <effbiai> yep
Aug 11 13:36:27 <Ko_deZ> if it sais "no sync", then the gps is turned off.
Aug 11 13:36:48 <Ko_deZ> Even though the buttin clearly states that you can turn it off. Try turning it off and then on again.
Aug 11 13:37:08 <Ko_deZ> The text shoud change to "no fix" I believe.
Aug 11 13:37:21 <Ko_deZ> That is currently a bug.
Aug 11 13:37:42 <Ko_deZ> will fix that as soon as I get the time to look at it.
Aug 11 13:42:54 <effbiai> i've seen the sync error.. but that was when gpsd was turned off
Aug 11 13:43:37 <effbiai> i also did a cat /dev/gpsdevice and i did see gps-rubberish, witch mean the gps is turned on. rite?
Aug 11 14:01:43 <yoh> chillywilly, so do you like 2008.8?
Aug 11 14:07:31 <yoh> lpotter, do you know what is needed for qt semaphores to work? I came back to the same issue while building in sid chroot --   Semaphore creation failed: Error 38, Function not implemented   
Aug 11 14:21:04 <cekay> hey guys .. are there any gps applications for qtopia (on freerunner)
Aug 11 14:29:45 <yoh> cekay, none usable afaik but I am not an expert ;-)
Aug 11 14:30:09 <cekay> ;-)
Aug 11 14:30:16 <cekay> do you know the name(s)?
Aug 11 14:30:46 <Zero_Dogg> can the input method in the freerunner image be changed do something finger friendly? (ie. a numeric pad like that on most cellphones)
Aug 11 14:31:40 <yoh> cekay, there were some in QT apps 
Aug 11 14:31:48 <yoh> but not directly avail for freerunner
Aug 11 14:32:01 <cekay> yoh, ok. thanks :)
Aug 11 14:32:13 <cekay> Zero_Dogg, don't think so
Aug 11 14:32:26 <yoh> Zero_Dogg, default predictive keyboard is finger friendly for writing SMSs in English ;-)
Aug 11 14:32:44 <Zero_Dogg> bah :p
Aug 11 14:57:24 <yoh> lpotter, there are few issues with the latest qtopia: 1. when I press power button to come out of suspend it gets into the menu for power button instead of just unlocking the screen 2. in scrolling contacts when clicked on scroll panel to move 1 page -- it processes click twice -- ie moves two pages. I wonder if they are related since it seems that each event is simply processed twice
Aug 11 15:02:03 <cekay> on the freerunner?
Aug 11 15:02:22 <yoh> so I am desperately waiting for 4.4 since absent search in my 100s of contacts is... evil ;-)
Aug 11 15:02:24 <yoh> cekay, yeap
Aug 11 15:03:02 <cekay> which image do you use? the 08.08.08?
Aug 11 15:03:17 <yoh> yeap
Aug 11 15:03:28 <yoh> with previous one from 07.24 it was fine
Aug 11 15:05:40 <cekay> i have a look if it works for me
Aug 11 15:06:54 <cekay> hm, 1.) works correct here
Aug 11 15:07:16 <cekay> and browsing through contacts works as expected too
Aug 11 15:07:28 <yoh> cekay, hm... so it must be my bad luck or effects of opkg upgrade... sad
Aug 11 15:08:50 <cekay> could be, I have a clean installation
Aug 11 15:39:12 <cekay> hm
Aug 11 15:39:34 <cekay> it seems that mine displays a white screen when coming out of suspend
Aug 11 15:50:58 <cekay> yoh, did you write that mail about this white screen problem on the community list?
Aug 11 15:52:42 <yoh> me? at some moment I mentioned it... but I believe there is somewhere bug report about that
Aug 11 15:53:05 <cekay> i see
Aug 11 15:53:11 <cekay> i had it two times in a row
Aug 11 16:03:17 <eartoast> in 8.8.8's ringtone dialog, scrolling does not work
Aug 11 16:03:43 <eartoast> meaning: the part where you browse the sound files
Aug 11 19:00:17 <mbuf> after running through ./install.sh i have ~/QtopiaFicgta01SDK; on running vmplayer Qtopia.vmx, I don't have any toolchains in /opt/toolchain; what am I missing?
Aug 11 19:02:28 <mbuf> never mind; doing "extracting Qtopia SDK update files to vmware"
Aug 11 22:15:19 <ConfidentiaL> what formats can the qtopia media player play?
Aug 11 22:32:16 <lpotter> depends on the mediaengine. currently on the freerunner it uses crixis and has mp3 and ogg audio plugins. trying to get gstreamer mediaengine working
Aug 11 22:33:19 <ConfidentiaL> it's the FR I have, but do you know what video formats it supports?
Aug 11 22:35:21 <lpotter> cruxus is only audio currently
Aug 11 22:36:06 <lpotter> which is why I wil lget gstreamer going for the neo
Aug 11 22:46:43 <emacsen> lpotter, is there a faq or wiki on qtopia 4.4?
Aug 11 22:49:49 * emacsen is getting disillusioned
Aug 11 22:57:05 <ConfidentiaL> lpotter: according to http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3-snapshot/release-4-3-0.html , gstreamer is supposed to be integrated... What exactly are you doing to try to get it to work?
Aug 11 23:03:43 <ConfidentiaL> have anyone else here gotten gstreamer to play video on qtopia?
Aug 11 23:35:20 <chillywilly> hola
Aug 11 23:36:11 <chillywilly> so I lived with 2008.8 for most of the day but it's still a bit too buggy even for me to use it every day ;P
Aug 11 23:36:20 <chillywilly> going to flash qtopia back on I believe
Aug 11 23:36:30 <chillywilly> is there an updated snapshot?
Aug 11 23:36:35 <chillywilly> when is 4.4 coming out?
Aug 11 23:41:38 <chillywilly> I see a new snapshot
Aug 11 23:41:45 * chillywilly downloads it
Aug 11 23:45:28 <weatherhead> oooooooh the excitement :-D
Aug 11 23:47:29 <emacsen> what's it have?
Aug 11 23:47:31 <emacsen> and url?
Aug 11 23:53:20 <emacsen> URL for snapshot?
Aug 11 23:53:41 <chillywilly> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77
Aug 11 23:53:43 <chillywilly> I don't know
Aug 11 23:53:45 <chillywilly> ask lpotter 
Aug 11 23:54:00 <chillywilly> hopefully bug fixes ;)
Aug 11 23:54:13 <chouimat> that's old :)
Aug 11 23:54:41 <chillywilly> even though the application startup times suck on 2008.8 a lot of the annoying bugs in the qtopia apps were fixed in it
Aug 11 23:55:51 <chillywilly> and I the UI was more responsive once loaded up
Aug 11 23:58:18 <Zero_Dogg> the main thing I'm missing in the qtopia image is some non-predictive input that can be used with fingers
Aug 12 00:00:46 <emacsen> chouimat, is it older than what's on the main site?
Aug 12 00:01:19 <chouimat> I'm just using it since saturday morning ;)
Aug 12 00:04:06 <weatherhead> are there changelogs for these images anywhere?
Aug 12 00:14:03 <chillywilly> chouimat: using what?
Aug 12 00:14:47 <chillywilly> chouimat: you have a link to a newer image?
Aug 12 00:18:04 <chouimat> chillywilly: I use the 080808 image since saturday
Aug 12 00:18:21 <chillywilly> ok
Aug 12 00:47:48 <ljp> ConfidentiaL: yes, Qtopia has support for gstreamer, but it needs to be confiugred/compiled/tested for use on the Neo.
Aug 12 00:56:49 <chillywilly> ljp: hi
Aug 12 00:57:33 <ljp> hello
Aug 12 00:58:13 <chillywilly> I'm reinstalling qtopia....
Aug 12 00:58:42 <chillywilly> how's 4.4 coming along?
Aug 12 01:02:01 <ljp> changingly
Aug 12 01:05:28 <chillywilly> is there an expected release date?
Aug 12 01:09:10 <ljp> yes. but I cannot comment on when
Aug 12 01:09:17 <ljp> a few weeks
Aug 12 01:11:49 <ConfidentiaL> how do I start a slide show? on my FR I have selected an image, and the settings for slide length and looping is shown, but I can't find any way of starting it...
Aug 12 01:15:32 <chillywilly> the UI still seems sluggish....
Aug 12 01:15:36 <chillywilly> bleh ;P
Aug 12 01:19:23 <ljp> chillywilly: in what way?
Aug 12 01:19:44 <chillywilly> in the way that I have to tap things multiple times sometimes
Aug 12 01:19:56 <chillywilly> also it's hard fro me to flag bombs too ;)
Aug 12 01:19:57 <ljp> why are you doing that?
Aug 12 01:20:02 <chillywilly> when playing minesweeper
Aug 12 01:20:45 <chillywilly> don't get me wrong
Aug 12 01:20:50 <chillywilly> qtopia still rocks :)
Aug 12 01:21:12 <chillywilly> oooh, the smart theme is interesting...
Aug 12 01:21:28 <ljp> ya, dont use the smart theme
Aug 12 01:22:24 <chillywilly> why?
Aug 12 01:22:57 <chillywilly> was just playing with the "appearance" as I usually like the icons instead of the text
Aug 12 01:23:42 <ljp> not setup for touchscreen only
Aug 12 01:24:10 <chillywilly> what part of it is not "touchscreen" friendly?
Aug 12 01:26:02 <chillywilly> that's a really nice theme
Aug 12 01:26:08 <chillywilly> I just put things back
Aug 12 01:26:35 <chillywilly> it still forgets the voicemail number and the volume level on reboot
Aug 12 01:27:19 <ljp> where do you put your voicemail number?
Aug 12 01:27:41 <chillywilly> call options service number
Aug 12 01:27:45 <chillywilly> well I also have a contact for it
Aug 12 01:27:50 <chillywilly> because of that bug
Aug 12 01:28:57 <chillywilly> one of these days I'll get off my ass and file some bug reports
Aug 12 01:28:59 <chillywilly> :)
Aug 12 01:29:05 <ljp> you jus tdid
Aug 12 01:29:09 <ljp> just did
Aug 12 01:29:17 <chillywilly> oh?
Aug 12 01:29:42 <ljp> if i was smart i would write a bot to automagically do that :)
Aug 12 01:29:43 <chillywilly> I should compile a list
Aug 12 01:29:59 <chillywilly> that's not in my head ;)
Aug 12 01:30:11 <chillywilly> does the predictive keyboard work with the terminal yet?
Aug 12 01:30:23 <ljp> it should
Aug 12 01:30:33 <chillywilly> awesome'
Aug 12 01:30:34 <chillywilly> yep
Aug 12 01:30:50 <ljp> although no way to type esc or F5
Aug 12 01:31:04 <chillywilly> how do you do "enter"?
Aug 12 01:31:17 <ljp> should be a symbol for that
Aug 12 01:31:30 <ljp> hmm. unless thats in 4.4 :)
Aug 12 01:31:42 <chillywilly> I don't see one
Aug 12 01:31:50 <chillywilly> oh
Aug 12 01:31:51 <chillywilly> there it is
Aug 12 01:31:54 <chillywilly> on the symbol page
Aug 12 01:32:26 <chillywilly> see I just tapped it several times and then I had to use the magnifying glass to select it
Aug 12 01:32:41 <chillywilly> things like that are a little annoying to me
Aug 12 01:33:26 <chillywilly> then again that's kind of how it works
Aug 12 01:33:29 <chillywilly> nevermind
Aug 12 01:34:03 <chillywilly> the scroll bar goes all wonky in the terminal
Aug 12 01:34:11 <ljp> yes, the symbols are like that, you cannot predict them so you have to specify them
Aug 12 01:35:30 <chillywilly> how about the speakerphone?
Aug 12 01:35:44 <chillywilly> that actually worked in 2008.8 when I would get the damn thing to work
Aug 12 01:36:19 <chillywilly> I'm going to test it
Aug 12 01:37:21 <chillywilly> speakerphone still does the annoying beep
Aug 12 01:39:07 <chillywilly> also it would be nice if there was a pause at the end of the ring tone
Aug 12 01:39:14 <chillywilly> like a 2 second pause
Aug 12 01:39:45 <chillywilly> I suppose I could hack the ringtone :)
Aug 12 01:44:28 <ljp> yep
Aug 12 01:48:50 <chillywilly> um...the package manager is confusing
Aug 12 01:49:12 <chillywilly> I choose install and then it asks to confirm but I don't really see anything to "click" and I am not sure what I am supposed to do to confirm
Aug 12 01:49:24 <chillywilly> trying to install keypebble
Aug 12 01:50:46 <chillywilly> nevermind
Aug 12 01:50:48 <chillywilly> it's in the menu
Aug 12 01:53:01 <yoh> ljp, btw 2008.8 has no delay on 'Answer' click... overall 2008.8 is still raw somewhat unfortunately :-/
Aug 12 01:53:33 <chillywilly> yes
Aug 12 01:54:00 <chillywilly> the UI is more responsive but the app load times suck and the stability is suspect
Aug 12 01:54:10 <yoh> but UI is indeed quite nice -- animation etc
Aug 12 01:54:30 <yoh> I also could lookup the name by first letter in the contacts -- just forced keyboard up via qwerty ;-)
Aug 12 01:54:58 <yoh> chillywilly, load times ... dunno -- was ok imho -- and I was doing it from SD
Aug 12 01:55:16 <chillywilly> it takes 10+ seconds for the contacs app to initially start
Aug 12 01:55:20 <yoh> but by the end of the day SD experienced 'kiss of suspend' and now partition is F%ED
Aug 12 01:55:23 <chillywilly> takes 2-3 seconds on qtopia
Aug 12 01:55:42 <yoh> was faster for me... and I forced my contacts from qtopia into it ;-)
Aug 12 01:55:53 <chillywilly> I loaded qtopia contacts also
Aug 12 01:56:00 <chillywilly> copied all .sqlite databases over
Aug 12 01:56:21 <yoh> what they should have done though is to make 'foreground' on AUX,so I would just leave contacts in foreground easily by pressing AUX
Aug 12 01:56:32 <yoh> going to the menu to hunt Home is somewhat overkill
Aug 12 01:57:51 <chillywilly> I like how qtopia uses the buttons
Aug 12 01:57:59 <chillywilly> their use of them is weirdf
Aug 12 01:58:04 <chillywilly> I don't like their UI much either
Aug 12 01:58:08 <chillywilly> it's just bizarre
Aug 12 01:58:17 <yoh> I got used to them,... although I would expect more functionality to be hooked on them... more like in 2007.2
Aug 12 01:58:39 <chillywilly> I can't figure out how to use the openmoko-mediaplyer2 either
Aug 12 01:58:45 <chillywilly> mediaplayer2
Aug 12 01:58:53 <yoh> have you looked at video of gestures demo?
Aug 12 01:59:01 <yoh> screen rotation is quite nice ;-)
Aug 12 01:59:19 <chillywilly> although qtopia's audio goes choppy when seeking or when the stupid pop-up/tool tip thing comes up for how to add a song to a play list
Aug 12 01:59:24 <chillywilly> no
Aug 12 01:59:26 <chillywilly> url?
Aug 12 01:59:32 <yoh> hold on
Aug 12 02:00:14 <yoh> http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2
Aug 12 02:00:55 <yoh> he is going to release it by end of the week ;-) nice guy ;-) looked at his master thesis on this -- nicely composed ;-)
Aug 12 02:01:43 <chillywilly> why are they using all these stupid icons that makes no sense?
Aug 12 02:02:01 <chillywilly> that was rather annoying
Aug 12 02:02:37 <chillywilly> they need the cowbell app ;)
Aug 12 02:02:44 <chillywilly> have you seen this on the iphone?
Aug 12 02:03:06 <chillywilly> "zorro" gesture
Aug 12 02:03:56 <yoh> nope... didn't touch iphone... what does it do there?
Aug 12 02:04:33 <chillywilly> you bring up a cowbell and then you can shake the phoen and it "dings" it
Aug 12 02:04:41 <yoh> icons is the least of the issues ;-) so I don't mind them ;-)  I am wondering more about those "+"s in the bottom whenever they are not in use -- WTF they are for there ;-)
Aug 12 02:04:42 <chillywilly> it's based on the famously funny SNL skit
Aug 12 02:05:00 <chillywilly> yea
Aug 12 02:05:02 <yoh> ;-)) very useful ;-)))
Aug 12 02:05:06 <chillywilly> I still don't like this UI at all
Aug 12 02:05:13 <chillywilly> er, the 2008.8
Aug 12 02:05:35 <yoh> at least it was very responsitive 
Aug 12 02:05:49 <chillywilly> I think it still had some issues
Aug 12 02:05:51 <yoh> though probably it is achievement of xglamo ;-)
Aug 12 02:06:00 <yoh> yeah
Aug 12 02:06:03 <chillywilly> qtopia just misses presses and is a little sluggish but at least most stuff worked
Aug 12 02:06:15 <chillywilly> I lost signal, the speaker/sound stopped working at other times, etc.
Aug 12 02:06:17 <chillywilly> it was not usable
Aug 12 02:06:26 <chillywilly> in 2008.8
Aug 12 02:07:08 <yoh> heh heh.... I think I will veto all my access to openmoko for a week -- have too many RL things to be done and then I will just come back to check what is happening :)
Aug 12 02:07:23 <yoh> unfortunately lpotter doesn't promise us soon 4.4 :-/
Aug 12 02:07:44 <chillywilly> oh well beggars can't be choosers ;P
Aug 12 02:08:27 <chillywilly> I need to hack my ring tone ;P
Aug 12 02:08:57 <yoh> the best experience changing ringtone was with 2007.2 ;-)
Aug 12 02:09:17 <yoh> it got playing itself 3 copies with 500ms or 1sec delay among them -- quite a concert ;-)))
Aug 12 02:09:18 <chillywilly> well if I just find a rig tone it'
Aug 12 02:09:25 <chillywilly> it's stupid simple to chage it in qtopia's UI
Aug 12 02:09:36 <yoh> that is how it should be
Aug 12 02:10:11 <yoh> ok friend -- enjoy FR -- I am off --- hopefully see ya in a week, If I appear -- kick me in the butt ;-)
Aug 12 02:10:22 <chillywilly> but the one they have by default when set to continuous is so annoying as there's no pause
Aug 12 02:10:28 <chillywilly> hah
Aug 12 02:10:30 <chillywilly> bye
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