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Aug 14 07:47:46 <mbuf> sometimes when I click on the Messages application, it doesn't show Inbox, Sent, Trash et. al.; it opens a Create Message window; using  qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-07221045 on Neo
Aug 14 08:05:38 <BabelO_> morning
Aug 14 08:06:33 <cekay> mbuf, did you tried the newer rootfs?
Aug 14 08:08:44 <mbuf> cekay, no; there were some e-mails on lower GSM signal strengths; so haven't tried it
Aug 14 08:09:00 <mbuf> cekay, otherwise, this image works great!
Aug 14 08:09:52 <cekay> yea, .. it's the first image so I can use my freerunner as a phone
Aug 14 08:10:07 <mbuf> cekay, looking forward to 4.4, where I can test GPS and others; just setup the sdk part
Aug 14 08:10:17 <mbuf> cekay, i have been using it as a phone for the past one week
Aug 14 08:10:37 <cekay> mbuf, how's your battery life?
Aug 14 08:10:43 <mbuf> cekay, i am getting only 8h battery; that is ok, since I am hooked onto my laptop most of the time
Aug 14 08:11:12 <cekay> ok
Aug 14 08:19:48 <lpotter> mbuf: did you enable suspending?
Aug 14 08:20:20 <cekay> apropos qtopia .. :)
Aug 14 08:20:25 <mbuf> lpotter, hi; yes, suspend works; how to check its settings?
Aug 14 08:20:39 <lpotter> ligh and power settings app
Aug 14 08:20:42 <cekay> the graffiti input methods are gone on purpose?
Aug 14 08:20:55 <lpotter> ya, but I will add them back in
Aug 14 08:21:07 <cekay> so not a patent/nokia thingi?
Aug 14 08:21:13 <lpotter> nope
Aug 14 08:21:16 <cekay> cool
Aug 14 08:21:24 <mbuf> lpotter, where is the light and power settings app?
Aug 14 08:21:36 <mbuf> lpotter, main menu has only 16 icons
Aug 14 08:21:36 <lpotter> should be in settings :)
Aug 14 08:22:07 <mbuf> Settings -> Power Management -> Suspend (20s)
Aug 14 08:22:28 <lpotter> thats it
Aug 14 08:22:43 <mbuf> lpotter, on battery, I have Suspend off;
Aug 14 08:22:45 <mbuf> ok
Aug 14 08:24:31 <cekay> but still eight hours battery life when suspend is off?
Aug 14 08:24:33 <cekay> wow
Aug 14 08:25:23 <mbuf> cekay, I don't use the phone that much; maybe 2-3 calls in a day; 2-3 SMS messages
Aug 14 08:26:27 <cekay> :-)
Aug 14 08:27:14 <cekay> the new image works great here too
Aug 14 08:27:29 <mbuf> cekay, cool
Aug 14 08:27:40 <cekay> the only tidbit: sms sometimes don't have timestamps
Aug 14 08:27:59 <cekay> so the new sms are at the bottom of the sms list
Aug 14 08:28:18 <mbuf> cekay, i have just looked at Linguist; would like to provided localization support; 
Aug 14 08:29:04 <mbuf> cekay, for my local language
Aug 14 08:29:33 <cekay> would be useful for typing sms
Aug 14 08:29:41 <cekay> i'm very slow with the predictive keyboard
Aug 14 09:05:53 <mbuf> on the Neo, I can put the .ttf files in /opt/Qtopia/lib/fonts, and use gettext and .po files in source code, it should display the localized characters on the device? or is there any example on how to do this?
Aug 14 09:15:37 <lpotter> qtopia only uses pre rendered fonts, qpf
Aug 14 09:15:52 <lpotter> not sure there exists a ttf plugin
Aug 14 09:17:08 <mbuf> lpotter, http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/qtopiacore-fonts.html#freetype-formats it says FreeType 2 font engine supports TTF; is it old?
Aug 14 09:18:05 <mbuf> or i need to create a .qpf using the .ttf
Aug 14 09:19:51 <lpotter> hmm. I thought it was configured out in qconfig-qpe.h, but i guess that has changed
Aug 14 09:23:09 <lpotter> you'll need to add entried to the fontdir file in lib/fnts
Aug 14 09:23:21 <lpotter> there used to be a helper script
Aug 14 09:26:49 <mbuf> makeqpf
Aug 14 09:27:05 <mbuf> something to start with, http://www.mm.co.th/poonlap/node/315
Aug 14 09:34:07 <cekay> are there any browser apps for qtopia yet?
Aug 14 09:34:35 <leinir> Not yet, wait for 4.4 then there will be one :)
Aug 14 09:35:38 <cekay> :-)
Aug 14 09:50:12 <emacsen> 4.4 will also dispense food
Aug 14 09:50:22 <emacsen> and provide sexual relief
Aug 14 09:51:42 <emacsen> ljp, more seriously a wiki page on the 4.4 features would be nice
Aug 14 09:58:27 <mbuf> qt3-dev-tools-embedded cannot be used with 4.3.2? is it outdated, or vmware image is the recommended option?
Aug 14 10:39:53 <emacsen> what in this release makes wifi better?
Aug 14 13:06:24 <KenSentMe> I guess this is not the right place to report errors on the qtopia website, right?
Aug 14 13:18:23 <KenSentMe> I run the Qtopia image on my Neo, when i type something it always uses the autotext input. How can i ignore the options it gives?
Aug 14 13:49:24 <weatherhead> has anyone had success connecting a freerunner with qtopia to a WPA protected wifi network?
Aug 14 13:49:27 <weatherhead> through the GUI
Aug 14 14:03:06 <mbuf> weatherhead, which version are you using?
Aug 14 14:03:20 <KenSentMe> weatherhead, only on a non-encrypted network
Aug 14 14:03:34 <weatherhead> mbuf: the latest on qtopia.net
Aug 14 14:03:43 <weatherhead> I can connect it no problem using the terminal
Aug 14 14:11:02 <mbuf> weatherhead, ok; i haven't tested the latest one
Aug 14 14:11:17 <weatherhead> I couldn't connect using the last one either, mind you
Aug 14 14:11:26 <weatherhead> I just saw that the new one said "fixed some wifi stuff"
Aug 14 14:11:28 <weatherhead> on the download page
Aug 14 14:11:48 <mbuf> weatherhead, i remember lpotter replying to the mailing list on how to connect it; can you check the archives?
Aug 14 14:12:10 <weatherhead> the openmoko mailing list??
Aug 14 14:12:18 <mbuf> weatherhead, do you recommend I try the latest one for using it as a regular phone?
Aug 14 14:12:20 <mbuf> weatherhead, yes
Aug 14 14:12:53 <weatherhead> mbuf: I thought the last one was good enoguh for a normal phone, except a couple of little things
Aug 14 14:13:00 <weatherhead> like you couldn't receive vcards via text message
Aug 14 14:13:04 <weatherhead> and the new one seems no different
Aug 14 14:13:21 <mbuf> weatherhead, i am happy with it as a phone; using previous release
Aug 14 14:13:51 <weatherhead> I wish I could get t my google calendar with it. It claims you can in the help
Aug 14 14:13:56 <KenSentMe> mbuf, did you install a webbrowser? If yes, how?
Aug 14 14:13:59 <weatherhead> but there is no "calendar accounts" page, as described
Aug 14 14:14:21 <mbuf> weatherhead, the help was probably not updated :p
Aug 14 14:14:28 <mbuf> KenSentMe, no, I haven't installed any applications
Aug 14 14:15:28 <weatherhead> mbuf: what, so they had that feature before, but have taken it out? that seems like madness
Aug 14 14:15:31 <KenSentMe> It probably cant run gtk apps from the openmoko repository
Aug 14 14:15:53 <mbuf> weatherhead, i am only guessing
Aug 14 14:16:11 <mbuf> KenSentMe, this image, i believe, uses framebuffer; so, no
Aug 14 14:16:22 <weatherhead> I emailed trolltech about it and they won't even talk about it
Aug 14 14:16:29 <weatherhead> just say "it's not meant to be used as an application"
Aug 14 14:17:02 <weatherhead> fair enough, but it doesn't excuse a large section of documentation for something that simply doesn't seem to exist
Aug 14 14:40:03 <mbuf> what should be the server URL that I need to connect to for software package update, using qtopia-4.3.2
Aug 14 14:40:51 <mbuf> For http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2, it says, Error connecting to server
Aug 14 14:43:44 <mbuf> ok, had to append /neo
Aug 14 15:21:12 <mbuf> i am trying to run, makeqpf_arm, on the device, and I get ./makeqpf_arm: not found
Aug 14 16:37:49 <mbuf> any makeqpf users?
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