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Oct 06 11:11:01 <FilipLinux4> rohanpm: now my qt-extended recompiled, I can recompile my own app and create the package. But the generated packages.list contains QtopiaVersion: 4.3.0-4.3.2 (where is this info comming from ?)
Oct 06 11:11:30 <FilipLinux4> trying to install after manually updating this version to include 4.4.1 gives a failure while installing
Oct 06 11:15:48 <rohanpm> FilipLinux4: how did you make packages.list ?
Oct 06 11:16:04 <rohanpm> The version is supposed to come from QTOPIA_COMPATIBLE_VERSIONS in qtopiabase/version.h
Oct 06 11:20:36 <FilipLinux4> like I did before: $QPEDIR/bin/mkPackages www
Oct 06 11:21:53 <FilipLinux4> after doing a 'make packages' offcours
Oct 06 12:09:29 <FilipLinux4> rohanpm: forget my remark regarding package creation; cleaned & rebuild everything again and now it works, was probably a caching issue
Oct 06 12:38:43 <mwester> re
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Oct 06 13:29:59 * mwester wonders if any of the QT Extended developers will be at the ESC show in Boston later this month...
Oct 06 14:04:43 <dario_> hi, i can't find the g78199ea0 mwester kernel, it's reported on qtextended page but i'm not able to get it from moko.mwester.net. Ideas? Suggestions?
Oct 06 14:31:45 <mwester> dario_:  what's the link you're following?
Oct 06 14:32:12 <dario_> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=91 from http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6&orderby=dateD
Oct 06 14:34:49 <mwester> Hmm... clicking that redirects, and begins downloading a kernel here.... (it's the g291a9d50 hashid kernel, but that's the most recent one so that would be right)
Oct 06 14:34:58 <mwester> What error do you get?
Oct 06 14:37:01 <dario_> the version error :) it is supposed to be based on a more recent git version, isn't it? the link is marked as updated and from 6-10 but that kernel is some days old :)
Oct 06 14:39:26 <mwester> It's a git hash, not a version number, so it does not increment.  The one being downloaded is the most recent one (I removed the older ones)
Oct 06 14:40:31 <dario_> ok, thanks a lot then, i should be more careful :)
Oct 06 14:47:36 <mwester> dario_:  Don't forget to install the matching kernel modules from that same site, or you'll have troubles with wifi and other stuff.
Oct 06 14:48:08 <mwester> (Follow the link to http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels )
Oct 06 14:48:53 <dario_> yes, i know, thanks a lot
Oct 06 14:50:34 <mwester> Ok - just thought I'd mention it; a lot of people don't know to do that, and then find that they can't get the wifi to work at all with WPA (because the crypto modules are missing).
Oct 06 15:10:12 <FilipLinux4> mwester: battery life on qtopia seems ok (multiple days),as along as I haven't used wifi. Once I've turned on wifi , it seems to never turn off anymore (or at least it looks like something keeps eating battery). Who would be responsible for turning wifi off ? suspens script ? qtopia ? kernel ?
Oct 06 15:15:38 <mwester> FilipLinux4:  Good questions.
Oct 06 15:16:23 <mwester> Unfortunately, due to some unimaginable reason, there is no way to turn off wifi once it has been turned on.
Oct 06 15:16:53 <leinir> ...ok?
Oct 06 15:17:32 <mwester> I wouldn't say it's ok... ;)
Oct 06 15:17:59 <leinir> No, you are quite right, i appologise ;)
Oct 06 15:19:14 <mwester> Om is working on the problem.  As I understand it, it may be possible to get this to work if we can get the driver into a loadable module, then it needs to be loaded/unloaded in order to turn off and reset, etc.  The problem is that it doesn't work as a module right now.
Oct 06 15:19:18 <FilipLinux4> mwester_: how is it powered ? trough i2c , usb or other ? Is there a detailed electrical diagram somewhere ?
Oct 06 15:19:21 <wurp2|working> mwester: Is there not an 'echo -n 0 > /sys/blah' that you can do?
Oct 06 15:19:30 <wurp2|working> mwester: Oh, it's a low level problem
Oct 06 15:19:31 <wurp2|working> :-(
Oct 06 15:19:49 <FilipLinux4> and how is it turned on ?
Oct 06 15:19:56 <FilipLinux4> by just ifconfig'ing it ?
Oct 06 15:20:40 <mwester> Actually, I don't know -- I think that may be the case, but perhaps there's also a /sys node that needs to be tickled.  
Oct 06 15:21:22 <mwester> The driver is not closed, but apparently the code quality is such that it might as well be ;)   Atheros wrote it.
Oct 06 15:21:41 <FilipLinux4> I see, encrytped code ;-)
Oct 06 15:21:52 <FilipLinux4> or rather obfuscated
Oct 06 15:22:08 <mwester> hehe! 
Oct 06 15:23:25 <mwester> Actually, I'm going to take the Treo route, I think -- that is, set up a way to use bluetooth to gain access to my home network.  That will work better than the wifi currently, and has the benefit that it also works with my Neo, and the infrastructure will also work for my Treo (good for testing purposes)
Oct 06 15:23:54 <mwester> I wonder how hard that would be to add to Qtopia?
Oct 06 15:24:34 <FilipLinux4> going to have a look at that code someday to see how it is powered. It's currently the only show-stopper for me in qt-extended
Oct 06 17:21:17 <Tm_P> interesting, qte freezes when i try to make gprs contact over bluetooth
Oct 06 17:21:42 <Tm_P> this is in freerunner
Oct 06 17:55:21 <Tm_M> bah, joys of traintravelling, cutting gprs
Oct 06 18:04:21 <Tm_P> meh
Oct 06 18:05:17 <Tm_P> qtextended freezes when bluetooth connection is lost, doesnt handle it well it seems
Oct 06 18:36:33 <tsdogs> goxboxlive: fyi universal is mainly working (also with the hinge rotation)
Oct 06 18:37:11 <tsdogs> phone stack needs a rework though. But I have received a call and sound was better than from wince :)
Oct 06 18:37:55 <tsdogs> BabelO: is BA phone working correctly?
Oct 06 18:38:11 <BabelO> tsdogs: i did not check phone modem
Oct 06 18:38:16 <tsdogs> ho ok.
Oct 06 18:38:26 <BabelO> tsdogs: you have one ?
Oct 06 18:38:35 <tsdogs> BA ?
Oct 06 18:38:41 <BabelO> yes
Oct 06 18:39:01 <tsdogs> well somehow, I have one from work but I do not play with it much
Oct 06 18:39:22 <tsdogs> Universal is kind of working but code looks a bit messy for me.
Oct 06 18:39:44 <tsdogs> did u implement your phone stack from scratch or based it on gta01 ?
Oct 06 18:39:59 <tsdogs> in 4.3.2 of course :)
Oct 06 18:40:18 <BabelO> i use the gta01 struct because we have same gsm modem
Oct 06 18:40:40 <BabelO> but i have to patch the qtopiacore stack
Oct 06 18:41:01 <tsdogs> hmm, I need to document on the universal if it's the same or not, many commands look the same for ba/uni/magician ...
Oct 06 18:42:31 <tsdogs> BabelO: is this the only documentation ? http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM
Oct 06 18:43:21 <BabelO> yes from cr2
Oct 06 18:43:27 <chouimat|work> afternoon
Oct 06 18:43:55 <BabelO> evening chouimat|work
Oct 06 18:44:07 <BabelO> tsdogs: or use a standard GSM 7.07 specs :)
Oct 06 18:44:14 <BabelO> most command are there
Oct 06 18:44:53 <tsdogs> :) yeah I need to check which commands are really needed... the guy who implemented it has disappeared :)
Oct 06 18:46:31 <tsdogs> time to head home. cya
Oct 06 19:31:30 <lpotter> think i figured out my kde4 memory leak.
Oct 06 19:32:04 <lpotter> konversion and knotify4 :)
Oct 06 19:32:47 <mwester> I kan't use kde, just kan't get used to not using the letter c anywhere...
Oct 06 19:33:48 <mwester> lpotter:  ;) is there a terminal app in 4.4.2 ?  :)
Oct 06 19:34:00 <lpotter> not in the sources
Oct 06 19:34:22 <lpotter> should be at qtextended.org, if not. I will upload the sources
Oct 06 19:34:34 <lpotter> its in the unofficial git
Oct 06 19:35:07 * mwester is having withdrawal symptoms from not being able to see a shell prompt on his phone... :D
Oct 06 19:35:33 <Sput> lpotter: does the unofficial git contain 4.4 now?
Oct 06 19:35:56 <mwester> In the meantime, I can done what I must if I can add a menu item to that Devtools menu -- where can I edit/add to that list?
Oct 06 19:35:58 <lpotter> not sure. probably not. 
Oct 06 19:36:08 <chouimat|work> no it doesn't
Oct 06 19:36:17 <Sput> lpotter: any chance we'll get git access to 4.4 at some point? :)
Oct 06 19:36:39 <lpotter> mwester: at compile time: devices/neo/devtools/...
Oct 06 19:36:45 <lpotter> src/devtools that is
Oct 06 19:36:59 <lpotter> at runtime, you will need to add entries to the db
Oct 06 19:38:45 <mwester> Ah, a db -- I was grepping about for a conf file.  :)  Thanks.
Oct 06 19:41:29 <wurp2|working> mwester: I have a terminal app on 4.3.2...  did it get yanked in 4.4.1?
Oct 06 19:41:57 <wurp2|working> lpotter: Oh, I'm am almost positive that the fast charge app in 4.3.2 for gta01 just doesn't work
Oct 06 19:42:02 <mwester> where is it?
Oct 06 19:42:12 <wurp2|working> As in, I run the app, then check my charge rate and it's still 'pre'
Oct 06 19:42:24 <wurp2|working> but my command line script sets it to fast_cccv just fine
Oct 06 19:42:38 <wurp2|working> mwester: In the 'T's in the package list
Oct 06 19:42:48 <wurp2|working> I don't remember if I had to install something extra to get it
Oct 06 19:43:09 <mwester> ooh... my gta01 is still on 4.3, lemme go check.
Oct 06 19:43:58 <lpotter> ou can edit that
Oct 06 19:44:21 <lpotter> i meant, its just a script that you can edit
Oct 06 19:44:39 <wurp2|working> lpotter: Are you sure?  I would have sworn that I 'vi'ed it and got binary splat
Oct 06 19:45:15 <lpotter> the fast_charge is a bash script
Oct 06 19:46:15 <lpotter> hmm. i havent updated that for gta01 and gta02
Oct 06 19:46:22 <lpotter> :)
Oct 06 19:47:39 <wurp2|working> OK
Oct 06 19:47:45 <wurp2|working> I will hunt it down & fix it, then
Oct 06 19:47:54 <wurp2|working> Dunno what I was thinking of with the binary edit
Oct 06 19:48:03 <lpotter> :)
Oct 06 19:49:27 <lpotter> indeed, its the wrong path
Oct 06 19:49:40 <malik1972> hi
Oct 06 19:50:08 <mwester> That would 'splain why my battery got so low over lunch today; it didn't actually do a fast charge on the car lighter plug.
Oct 06 19:51:00 <malik1972> lpotter: one more;-) when a new sms comes in qtext tells me that there are n new sms, the dont seem to be marked as read ...
Oct 06 19:51:15 <lpotter> yes. known issue
Oct 06 19:51:23 <wurp2|working> Oh, does anyone get all the @_ smses in qtopia?
Oct 06 19:51:49 <wurp2|working> I *think* they're just supposed to hold info about the cost of my call (even though I get that as a UDMS or whatever that's called)
Oct 06 19:51:49 <lpotter> whats that?
Oct 06 19:52:00 <lpotter> oh
Oct 06 19:52:04 <lpotter> hmm
Oct 06 19:52:22 <wurp2|working> they all show a link to some extended media content.  I can never navigate said link
Oct 06 19:52:33 <mwester> hehe!
Oct 06 19:52:46 <wurp2|working> It may be something stupid my service is doing.  I have AT&T GoPhone.
Oct 06 19:52:47 * mwester just pointed the qtopia web browser at his mythtv web
Oct 06 19:53:15 <wurp2|working> It may just be that Qtopia is the only distro with good enough sms support to show me the stupid stuff that's happening in the background
Oct 06 19:53:15 <mwester> It seems that webkit sends a preferred language string.
Oct 06 19:53:16 <malik1972> lpotter: is the feature "fast load" new?
Oct 06 19:53:24 <mwester> It's in some language I can't read. ;)
Oct 06 19:53:38 <mwester> But I can't find anywhere to set the language webkit prefers.
Oct 06 19:54:03 <wurp2|working> mwester: Yeah, I always wondered why most preferred language lists seem to be in English instead of the  appropriate language for each entry
Oct 06 19:54:05 <mwester> wurp2|working:  I have the AT&T GoPhone SIM as well, I only get their regular marketing SMSs
Oct 06 19:54:22 <wurp2|working> mwester: No sms from '@_' after every call?
Oct 06 19:54:25 <mwester> Nope.
Oct 06 19:54:37 <wurp2|working> I wonder what the hell's up, then
Oct 06 19:54:43 <mwester> I get the "this transaction cost you your right arm" message on the screen though.
Oct 06 19:54:50 <wurp2|working> Yeah, me too
Oct 06 19:54:59 * mwester thinks his texting-crazy daughter needs that.
Oct 06 19:55:02 <wurp2|working> although for me it's always less than the minimum load per month
Oct 06 19:55:19 <mwester> Well, since nothing has been working...
Oct 06 19:55:47 <mwester> up to now, I end up paying the minimum for another 90 days, but don't use that much time.  I have >75$ on the SIM now.
Oct 06 19:56:09 <mwester> Now that the bouncing problem has a workaround, and the echo is fixed, that will change.
Oct 06 19:56:28 <lpotter> whats the fix for echo?
Oct 06 19:56:39 <malik1972> mwester: the eco fixed?
Oct 06 19:56:54 <wurp2|working> Is there an echo in here?
Oct 06 19:56:58 <mwester> Those funky AT codes for echo cancellation and noise reduciton.
Oct 06 19:57:05 <lpotter> oh ok
Oct 06 19:57:07 <wurp2|working> mwester: I would probably have about $300 on mine now
Oct 06 19:57:10 <mwester> seemed to have fixed the echo callers used to get when they called my phone.
Oct 06 19:57:21 <wurp2|working> Except when I first got gprs working, I didn't add unlimited internet to my plan
Oct 06 19:57:36 <wurp2|working> So I used it all up in about a day.  Now I have about $140 in credit again
Oct 06 19:58:08 <mwester> Yikes!
Oct 06 19:58:21 <wurp2|working> Eh, it was never gonna be any use to me anyway
Oct 06 19:58:46 <wurp2|working> The balance grows every month, afaik there's no way for me to stop paying $40 each month and still get to use my phone
Oct 06 19:59:17 <wurp2|working> And I call less than $40 worth every month
Oct 06 19:59:51 <malik1972> mwester: can you tell us some details on that funky at stuff? how hard is it to integrate and where it should be integrated in?
Oct 06 20:00:09 <mwester> malik1972:  It's already integrated - just check the source.
Oct 06 20:00:41 <malik1972> malik1972: and why my counterpart has an echo?
Oct 06 20:01:25 <wurp2|working> malik1972: That's not an echo; you're just talking to yourself.
Oct 06 20:01:33 <malik1972> :-)
Oct 06 20:01:52 <malik1972> wurp2|working: you recognized it
Oct 06 20:02:35 <malik1972> mwester: the at commands are there but need to be activated?
Oct 06 20:03:05 <mwester> Nope, they are active.  There are reports, however, that they don't solve all the echo problems -- some people still experience them.
Oct 06 20:03:21 <lpotter> firmware
Oct 06 20:03:43 <mwester> Hmmm... 
Oct 06 20:03:43 <malik1972> gsm firmware?
Oct 06 20:03:51 <mwester> Neo or FR, malik1972 ?
Oct 06 20:03:57 <malik1972> freerunner
Oct 06 20:04:50 <malik1972> echo quite often, newest qtext from lpotter und newest kernel from mwester;-)
Oct 06 20:10:37 <malik1972> lpotter: can the predictive keyboard learn words ad hoc while typing, words applications works well
Oct 06 20:14:58 <lpotter> not sure, but i think it can
Oct 06 20:15:03 <lpotter> if not, it should
Oct 06 20:15:40 <lpotter> i should fix up qterminal
Oct 06 20:21:20 <malik1972> lpotter: can you tell me how fixing all that unexpected features goes on?
Oct 06 20:21:40 <malik1972> are they more or less quick fixed
Oct 06 20:21:54 <malik1972> or are there harder ones
Oct 06 20:24:30 <wurp2|working> Sound switches to headphones when you plug 'em in in 4.4.1?
Oct 06 20:26:07 <malik1972> lpotter: here is a minor thing concerning the back button, for a differnt color scheme in finxi it should the color should be changed. in some cases, for instance in help pages, there is an invisible back button
Oct 06 22:33:59 <BabelO> hi
Oct 06 22:34:07 <BabelO> how i start web browser in qt extented ?
Oct 06 22:34:24 <Abram> BabelO, what device? what build?
Oct 06 22:34:46 <Abram> did you build qt extended yourself or flashed it?
Oct 06 22:34:53 <BabelO> myself
Oct 06 22:34:58 <BabelO> for htc blueangel
Oct 06 22:35:03 <Abram> then look into examples directory
Oct 06 22:35:07 <BabelO> but i did not see the web browser :(
Oct 06 22:35:13 <Abram> ohhh, you are the one from HTC team?
Oct 06 22:35:22 <Abram> *HTC Linux team
Oct 06 22:36:19 <BabelO> yes
Oct 06 22:36:28 <Abram> abram@abram-laptop:~/ming/qpe$ cd build/examples/webviewer/
Oct 06 22:36:28 <Abram> abram@abram-laptop:~/ming/qpe/build/examples/webviewer$ ../../bin/qbuild ** make install
Oct 06 22:36:46 <Abram> BabelO, greetings from MotoEZX team :)
Oct 06 22:36:47 <BabelO> hmm i think i builded sample file
Oct 06 22:37:08 <BabelO> Abram: oh ok :) do you own a A780 ?
Oct 06 22:37:24 <Abram> BabelO, I was searching for HTC team over the Internet. I think both our teams can help each other
Oct 06 22:37:34 <Abram> no, A1200. I also want to run Qtopia on Z6
Oct 06 22:38:23 <BabelO> Abram: yes, i try a bit qtopia and then try again to got a working phone without patching qtopia
Oct 06 22:38:32 <BabelO> what is Z6 ?
Oct 06 22:38:53 <Abram> Z6 is the first Motorola from 3rd generation EZX, MOTOMAGX
Oct 06 22:39:21 <Abram> A780 is from the 1st gen, A1200 is from 2nd gen
Oct 06 22:41:21 <Abram> BabelO, there're few technical details before you can fully use Qt Extended on your device; we made it on Moto phones and we can help you as well as other device teams (if there are other device teams)
Oct 06 22:41:23 <BabelO> ok , motorola is good :)
Oct 06 22:41:38 <Abram> do u have a ICQ/XMPP/Jabber?..
Oct 06 22:42:12 <BabelO> Abram: i already do it on previous release, but i patch atchap.cpp because it segfault on some modem return
Oct 06 22:42:30 <BabelO> Abram: i have done a qtopia messenegr ICQ / XMPP/Jabber :)
Oct 06 22:42:42 <BabelO> and yes i have one , but never use it :)
Oct 06 22:42:50 <Abram> that's bad
Oct 06 22:43:10 <Abram> I was thinking about making a real qtopia community since there's no one
Oct 06 22:43:20 <BabelO> Abram: i ve gmail, or you can join #htc-linux on the evening i m there too
Oct 06 22:43:21 <Abram> BabelO, qtopia messenger?..
Oct 06 22:43:37 <Abram> IMLife? QPidgin?..
Oct 06 22:43:40 <BabelO> Abram: yes qtopia messenger for 4.3 should work on 4.4 too
Oct 06 22:43:49 <BabelO> IMLife , that is mine
Oct 06 22:44:15 <Abram> that's what i'm talking about; there're separate device teams that don't communicate with each other :(
Oct 06 22:44:22 <RayDar> re
Oct 06 22:44:42 <RayDar> I wonder what's new in the 2008/10/06 mwester kernel.
Oct 06 22:44:54 <Abram> BabelO, i didn't know IMLife's already usable
Oct 06 22:47:31 <BabelO> Abram: it is usable
Oct 06 22:47:47 <BabelO> i use it on BA to speak with msn accound and gtalk too
Oct 06 22:48:00 <BabelO> audio works too , but not in git version
Oct 06 22:49:27 <Abram> BabelO, thanks, gonna try it :)
Oct 06 22:49:44 <BabelO> Abram: you have the qtopia git ?
Oct 06 22:49:56 <BabelO> better is to take this sources
Oct 06 22:50:29 <BabelO> ljp: qbuild can install libraries now ? :)
Oct 06 22:50:37 <BabelO> Abram: you see screenshot ?
Oct 06 22:58:47 <Abram> BabelO, no
Oct 06 22:59:50 <BabelO> Abram: 
Oct 06 22:59:51 <BabelO> http://linuxbox2.free.fr/qtapp/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=15
Oct 06 23:00:01 <BabelO> but don't get sources from there
Oct 06 23:00:06 <BabelO> take the one in git
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