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Mar 02 09:31:00 <persia> StevenK: So, I was just reviewing the actions from last week's meeting, and it appears you and I were supposed to strip armel down to three flavours : *-netbook and server.  Did you already do that?  Can I help somehow?
Mar 02 09:55:08 <Guest62340> Hi
Mar 02 09:56:56 <persia> hey
Mar 02 09:57:34 <Guest62340>  I have installed Mer on my N810
Mar 02 09:59:09 <persia> Guest62340: OK.
Mar 02 10:02:02 <StevenK> persia: I didn't, no ...
Mar 02 10:02:23 <persia> StevenK: OK.  Can I help?
Mar 02 10:02:42 * StevenK peers at antimony
Mar 02 10:03:07 <ogra> how are netbook and server *three* flavours ?
Mar 02 10:03:25 <persia> ogra: *-netbook
Mar 02 10:03:31 <persia> kubuntu-netbook and ubuntu-netbook
Mar 02 10:03:33 <ogra> ah
Mar 02 10:03:39 <StevenK> Which are currently there.
Mar 02 10:03:56 * ogra still sees no point in kubuntu building as long as kde isnt installable
Mar 02 10:04:07 <StevenK> persia: Right, I think it's done, if you want to check
Mar 02 10:04:08 <persia> Right.  We want to not have ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, and ubuntustudio-*
Mar 02 10:04:29 <persia> StevenK: I don't know how to check, but if you think it's done, I'll trust you.
Mar 02 10:05:07 <StevenK> persia: Dig through cdimage.u.c and see if armel images appear where they shouldn't.
Mar 02 10:05:30 <persia> That I can do :)
Mar 02 10:06:18 <StevenK> Or if they don't appear where they should
Mar 02 10:08:01 <persia> I don't see any ubuntu-server images at all :(
Mar 02 10:08:25 <persia> Oh, just build failures.  Nevermind.
Mar 02 10:09:43 <StevenK> How do they fail?
Mar 02 10:10:18 <persia> DIdn't check that.
Mar 02 10:10:29 <persia> But it's for all architectures for the 0301 build
Mar 02 10:10:56 <persia> kubuntu-desktop is current on armel
Mar 02 10:11:01 <persia> (and shouldn't be)
Mar 02 10:11:43 <persia> err, kubuntu-desktop-live (sorry)
Mar 02 10:13:36 <persia> In summary, kubuntu-desktop-live needs to go, and ubuntu-server-alternate needs love.
Mar 02 10:17:53 <StevenK> I can see kubuntu desktop in the cronscripts
Mar 02 10:17:57 <StevenK> NCommander: ^
Mar 02 10:18:23 <persia> What do you seek?
Mar 02 10:18:35 <persia> I can produce logs from #kubuntu-devel that agree it doesn't belong there
Mar 02 10:19:16 <persia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/23/#kubuntu-devel.txt 14:09 through 14:14
Mar 02 10:35:08 <ogra> lool,      if [ "$DIST" = "jaunty" ];then
Mar 02 10:35:08 <ogra>          VMCPU=""
Mar 02 10:35:08 <ogra>      fi
Mar 02 10:36:17 <persia> Um, why?
Mar 02 10:36:31 <persia> Shouldn't it detect current compilation options or something?
Mar 02 10:42:30 <StevenK> persia: Right, fixing crontab, then
Mar 02 10:42:39 <persia> StevenK: Thanks.
Mar 02 10:47:59 <StevenK> persia: Fixed, and old images purged
Mar 02 10:48:29 <persia> StevenK: Excellent!  Now we have good news to report *and* more space on cdimage for the next hungry flavour.
Mar 02 10:49:43 <StevenK> persia: Build log for swerver?
Mar 02 10:51:36 * persia gets confused
Mar 02 10:52:36 <persia> Aha!  The issue was that the images were *currently building* when I last looked.  They were successful and are now published.
Mar 02 10:53:30 <StevenK> Right, so nothing more to do
Mar 02 10:53:38 <StevenK> We win, are manly men, etc, etc
Mar 02 10:57:48 * persia waves the torch of victory and ignores the sounds of looting and pillaging
Mar 02 10:58:28 <ogra> sooo ...
Mar 02 10:59:12 <ogra> what do you guys think about adding a date -s "<date of image build>" to casper for armel ?
Mar 02 11:00:10 <persia> Why would such a change be architecture-specific?
Mar 02 11:00:25 <persia> I like the idea, but I don't see the point of making it arch-specific at all.
Mar 02 11:00:31 <ogra> because it bugs us most
Mar 02 11:00:39 <ogra> but yeah, can be generic
Mar 02 11:00:39 <persia> No, it really doesn't.
Mar 02 11:00:51 <persia> It bugs me *lots* but mostly for i386 images.
Mar 02 11:01:14 <ogra> well, PC BIOS batteies are less often broken than having boards that dont set the time on first boot
Mar 02 11:01:43 <persia> Oh, you're not talking about the thing that irritates me at all :)
Mar 02 11:02:06 <persia> But anyway, yeah, I don't see any issues with it, and don't think it ought be arch-specific.
Mar 02 11:02:14 <persia> We know it's at *least* that date.
Mar 02 11:03:34 <ogra> right
Mar 02 11:03:47 <lool> ogra: Are you pinging me about the VMCPU thing?
Mar 02 11:04:26 <ogra> lool, yeah, i did, but i gathered its not needed if we use the netinst kernel for all releases
Mar 02 11:04:31 <lool> ogra: Note that I only *flipped* the logic to deal with karmic +
Mar 02 11:04:49 <lool> See r30.1.1
Mar 02 11:04:52 <ogra> i dropped all release specific kernel stuff now and default to not use devtmpfs in rootstock
Mar 02 11:04:58 <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/386913/
Mar 02 11:05:11 <lool> I changed the logic which only worked for jaunty and karmic to work for jaunty and any release
Mar 02 11:05:11 <ogra> that shpould make it work with the lucid kernel everywhere
Mar 02 11:05:20 <lool> But we should simply set Cortex-A8 ALL the time
Mar 02 11:05:27 <ogra> right, thats what i do now
Mar 02 11:05:34 <ogra> using only the netinst kernel
Mar 02 11:06:05 <lool> Once the binaries are new-ed, we should have initrd support in that kernel as well -- I hope
Mar 02 11:07:16 <ogra> well, doesnt bother me in rootstock atm :)
Mar 02 11:07:27 <ogra> its unlikely i'll use an initrd there
Mar 02 11:08:16 <ogra> though i could generate one during build if --keepimage is set for people wanting to use one with their VM
Mar 02 11:09:27 <ogra> grrr
Mar 02 11:09:37 <ogra> evolution still out of sync ... i cant do testbuilds
Mar 02 11:11:22 <persia> Just give up on the concept of email.  Adds more time to your day and you never have sync failures :)
Mar 02 11:11:44 <ogra> persia, well, then someone needs to fix the metapackages :P
Mar 02 11:12:30 <persia> Hrm?
Mar 02 11:12:43 <ogra> its not installable atjm
Mar 02 11:12:48 <ogra> *atm
Mar 02 11:12:51 <persia> Oh, right.  I misunderstoof.
Mar 02 11:24:08 * ogra takes a break
Mar 02 12:05:03 * StevenK throws evolution back to the wolv^Wbuildds
Mar 02 12:10:24 <twb> And I thought *emacs* would stress a 1GHz arm...
Mar 02 12:13:55 <suihkulokki> twb: building vim takes longer than building emacs ;)
Mar 02 12:14:12 <twb> Emacs is "only" eight megabytes and constantly swapping :P
Mar 02 12:14:32 <twb> Whereas eclipse is more like eight HUNDRED
Mar 02 12:19:14 <jussi01> hi all, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/arm says the iMX51 is supported, but will it run on an iMX31?
Mar 02 12:20:05 <ogra> nope
Mar 02 12:20:23 <jussi01> aww...
Mar 02 12:20:27 <ogra> the kernel on these images is specifically built for a certain board
Mar 02 12:20:28 <jussi01> and hi ogra! :D
Mar 02 12:20:33 <ogra> hi :)
Mar 02 12:21:06 <jussi01> ogra: right.
Mar 02 12:57:24 <ogra> ****************** Reminder mobile team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 3min ***********************
Mar 02 12:58:01 <twb> We aren't all on 132-character terminals, you know :P
Mar 02 12:58:20 <ogra> lol, sorry
Mar 02 12:58:37 <ogra> i'll make sure next week its 80chars :)
Mar 02 13:01:54 <twb> 80 less your nick, etc.
Mar 02 13:02:13 <persia> Impossible to know how much our clients prefix, etc.
Mar 02 13:02:14 <twb> But actually my framebuffer is something like 300x120
Mar 02 13:02:20 <persia> Jst dropping the *s would probably work
Mar 02 13:02:31 <ogra> ah, come on, get a wider screen :) its not like i have a long nick :)
Mar 02 13:02:39 <twb> Aren't the **s a dumb way to use /notice ?
Mar 02 13:02:51 <ogra> yeah, i'm lazy
Mar 02 13:03:22 <twb> Hmm, didn't work: 00:03 /notice #ubuntu-arm Yow!  Film at 11!
Mar 02 13:03:42 <twb> Oops, I'd better wrap up before security come to hassle me again
Mar 02 13:05:33 * persia doesn't tend to like arbitrary /notice
Mar 02 13:05:49 <persia> (and would go fiddle flags if people started using it much)
Mar 02 14:10:25 <twb> persia: using it judiciously is better than it being totally unused except by the freenode devs
Mar 02 14:10:30 <twb> (IMO)
Mar 02 14:10:59 <persia> I guess.  I just don't really like it.
Mar 02 21:31:55 <|nfecteD> anyone know how i can limit how much RAM the beagleboard has avalible... it fails horribly right now when i try to compile larger programs
Mar 02 21:32:31 <persia> |nfecteD: You mean limit how much memory is available to the compilation process?
Mar 02 21:33:06 <|nfecteD> yeah
Mar 02 21:33:15 <persia> The solution I typically use in memory limited situations is swap, but swap-over-USB gets painful quick.
Mar 02 21:34:06 <|nfecteD> I know there was a file or something in angstrom where i could change a value from unlimited to something else and it worked :/
Mar 02 21:34:09 <persia> You can try playing with `ulimit -v` but it may just make the compiler crash more quickly (depending on the operation)
Mar 02 21:34:41 <|nfecteD> USB swap it is then
Mar 02 21:34:47 <|nfecteD> i need a bigger SD card
Mar 02 21:35:21 <persia> swap-on-sd is a recipe for buying new SD cards :)
Mar 02 21:35:32 <|nfecteD> yeah
Mar 02 21:35:50 <|nfecteD> same goes for USB sticks i guess
Mar 02 21:37:07 <persia> But not for old-style USB rotary disks :)
Mar 02 21:37:15 <|nfecteD> i only need to use "swapon /dev/sda" right?
Mar 02 21:37:25 <|nfecteD> (after i format ofcourse)
Mar 02 21:37:38 <persia> Soemthing like that.  I always put stuff in /etc/fstab and use swapon -a when it's available.
Mar 02 21:38:02 <persia> Where "format" means "run mkswap", yes :)
Mar 02 21:38:13 <|nfecteD> good thing you know what i mean
Mar 02 21:39:02 * |nfecteD throws 2gigs of swap at the compiler
Mar 02 21:39:11 <|nfecteD> fill that up!
Mar 02 21:39:17 <|nfecteD> (bastard...)
Mar 02 21:39:18 <persia> Build boost :)
Mar 02 21:40:25 <persia> (no not really : boost is best built either 1) when really necessary or 2) when one wants to exercise high memory-pressue situations)
Mar 02 21:41:16 <|nfecteD> if i could find my USB HDD i'd have 30GB swap!
Mar 02 21:41:22 <|nfecteD> SUPER SWAP POWER!
Mar 02 21:41:36 <|nfecteD> anyway... isn't there supposed to be some way to set the CPU frequenzy while im in ubuntu?
Mar 02 22:00:05 <dyfet> you mean like cpufrequtils?
Mar 02 22:00:13 <|nfecteD> i guess
Mar 02 22:00:32 <dyfet> I recall using those on debian...
Mar 02 22:01:03 <|nfecteD> since i have the ub3rl33t C4 version that can "safely" be clocked to 720mhz
Mar 02 22:01:10 <|nfecteD> i might as well use it sometimes
Mar 02 22:02:25 <roxfan> o.o http://www.keil.com/ds5/
Mar 02 22:04:36 <|nfecteD> god damnit!¤!¤!¤
Mar 02 22:04:47 * |nfecteD curses and swears at the snes9x sourcecode
Mar 02 22:14:54 <|nfecteD> boo
Mar 02 22:15:09 <|nfecteD> i don't have a cpufreq driver
Mar 02 22:27:23 <persia> !ohmy
Mar 02 22:27:24 <ubot4> Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.
Mar 02 22:31:52 * |nfecteD sits in the corner
Mar 02 22:33:59 <persia> heh :)
Mar 02 22:34:15 <persia> Just try to say #('$& instead or something :)
Mar 02 22:34:43 <persia> Not much to self-censor, but in addition to other stuff, it keeps our logs free from nanny-filter blocking.
Mar 02 22:36:17 <|nfecteD> yeah
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