**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010 Apr 06 03:10:20 plars, i'll dig into it more tomorrow... but i have that commit seperated into a safe commit and a broken commit.. However part of the broken commit can still be salvaged (OTG setting) Just got to re-figure out the correct config sequence that works.. Apr 06 04:58:34 hmm, now that the dl5 kernel doesn't have the g_* drivers as modules... now I can't load g_audio. Apr 06 05:13:44 eggonlea: you around? Apr 06 06:39:14 NCommander: ack Apr 06 07:37:00 Hi guys. How do you kick off ubuntu (with initrd) from u-boot? Apr 06 07:40:19 The important part is how you load the initrd image Apr 06 07:43:29 nosse1: It really depends on which uboot and where the initrd is stored. Apr 06 07:45:59 persia: I'm running U-boot 2009.11 (for AM3517 by TI) and I have options for where to store the initrd Apr 06 07:46:27 Currently its on an NFS server, like the kernel image, but I can move it if neccessary Apr 06 07:47:10 Point is, do you load the initrd to memory using u-boot and then pass the address for it to the kernel? Apr 06 07:48:20 That certainly ought work (e.g. "initrd=0x11700000,8M"), but I'm not sure if it works without the initrd load. Apr 06 07:48:40 nosse1: you'd provide two addresses to 'bootm' - kernel and initrd Apr 06 07:49:20 amitk, ok. Do you need to supply the initrd address in the kernel parameters? Apr 06 07:49:37 nosse1: no AFAIK Apr 06 07:49:47 I'll try that. Thanks Apr 06 07:55:09 http://elinux.org/Talk:BeagleBoardUbuntu Apr 06 07:55:16 check that... even if you're on a different board. Apr 06 07:56:00 right, elinux has some good instructions on generic board bringup Apr 06 07:56:56 morning Apr 06 08:00:22 morning Apr 06 10:10:32 How do you generate the initrd image for u-boot? The /boot/initrd.img file is a gzipped cpio archive, and when I load it U-boot complains about "wrong ramdisk image format" Apr 06 10:11:24 nosse1: you need to run mkimage from uboot-utils Apr 06 10:11:54 Ah, so the initrd must be mkimagized as well.... Apr 06 10:12:00 I beleive so Apr 06 10:12:04 for some wierd reason Apr 06 10:18:15 Is that a uboot limitation, or something fixable? Apr 06 10:19:47 persia: u-boot requires it for kernel, initrd, bootscript Apr 06 10:20:01 it hads a 64 byted header to each Apr 06 10:20:07 s/hads/adds Apr 06 10:20:12 Makes sense, although unfortunate. Apr 06 10:20:46 a minor annoyance, admittedly. But I script it away. Apr 06 10:21:45 Is that the sort of thing that would make sense as a rootstock option? Apr 06 10:23:31 is it the job of rootstock to give a dd'able sd image? If not (as I suspect), then no Apr 06 10:24:00 No, rootstock only generates rootfs tarballs. Apr 06 10:24:38 eh? I have generated ext2 images from rootstock that I've dd-ed to target. Works fine. Apr 06 10:25:22 (well.. fine is somewhat an overstatement: I'm still working on bringing up the system) Apr 06 10:26:33 nosse1: Indeed. rootstock is good at what it does. The point being that it *isn't* the tool to generate images, but only filesystems. Apr 06 11:14:09 rootstock can build an image/tarball using a custom kernel (from a deb file). How can I generate such a deb from my custom kernel source? Apr 06 11:15:09 I can copy the debian.* dirs from the ubuntu lucid kernel source (and use e.g. the ti-omap branch). However I dont know how to get from these source to a deb file :( Apr 06 11:15:58 debuild -b Apr 06 11:16:13 Or us pbuilder or sbuild for a clean build environment. Apr 06 11:20:58 nosse1: make-kpkg is a tool Apr 06 11:21:10 from kernel-package Apr 06 11:23:22 make-kpkg is not supported by Ubuntu, infact we will discourage its use Apr 06 11:24:09 what does replace it? Apr 06 11:24:15 debuild -b Apr 06 11:24:32 but debuild require debian/ dir - right? Apr 06 11:24:40 Yes. Apr 06 11:24:46 and make-kpkg creates such when not present Apr 06 11:25:46 hrw: the ubuntu kernel uses its own buildsystem (based on debuild) and has its own way of managing configurations Apr 06 11:26:08 ok Apr 06 11:27:07 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KnowledgeBase <--- lots of info about maintaining ubuntu kernels Apr 06 11:27:42 and other stuff.. Apr 06 11:33:04 My biggest challenge in this respect has been to ubuntuize a vanilla or 3rd party kernel in order to make it run ubuntu on target Apr 06 11:33:22 But I seem to make progress in this respect now Apr 06 11:33:52 ok Apr 06 11:34:19 Will Lucid be release for ARM as well (for the 10.04 LTS release date)? Apr 06 11:34:45 nosse1: yes Apr 06 11:34:52 we have the same release date Apr 06 11:34:58 :D Apr 06 11:35:54 Do you have a defined list of supported targets/machines for this release? Apr 06 11:36:52 I.e. I have an AM3517-evm which the lucid kernel image (ti-omap) is not working currently. Apr 06 11:37:16 nosse1 Freescale iMX51 and Marvell Dove platform are the officially supported arches Apr 06 11:37:52 ok Apr 06 11:38:11 and omap (beagle board) Apr 06 11:38:20 Is this based on EVM availability? Apr 06 11:38:27 basically what ever image you see here - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/ Apr 06 11:39:07 Can EVM donation to key developers help addition of support for other HW? Apr 06 11:39:11 nosse1: it's based on what is considered a priority for the first release of OMAP (and yes that includes HW availability) Apr 06 11:40:10 nosse1: outside of our official images, any hardware enablement would be on a developers own time Apr 06 11:41:17 nosse1: donations are unlikely to help at this point (very close to release) but we'd appreciate QA help and bugs regarding what is _not_ working Apr 06 11:41:25 Ah, so it has been a policy decision to support iMX, Marvell and beagle board. Apr 06 11:42:10 Point is, we're building a product based on the AM3517, and of course we'd like to see official support for that target Apr 06 11:42:16 nosse1: policy in terms of contracts, yes Apr 06 11:42:36 Again, porting is WIP, so I will have more info of what works and not works later Apr 06 11:42:37 nosse1, what's that board currently doing on bootup? I don't have any of the Logic based boards.. Apr 06 11:43:09 AM3517-EVM from TI, which is a Zoom AM3517 eval kit Apr 06 11:43:13 nosse1: If you can find a config that supports AM3517, and also supports the beagleboard for the Ubuntu kernel source, please submit a patch that does that. Apr 06 11:43:15 nosse1: I've said in the past, I think - point me to patches that will make your board work better (I think the base kernel should just boot) and I'll consider it Apr 06 11:44:09 nosse1: there shouldn't be any _porting_ involved IMO if this a basically an EVM board Apr 06 11:44:11 amitk, Yes I know, and thanks. I will supply more info/patches/etc. when we get there. Apr 06 11:44:39 nosse1: isn't AM35xx pretty similar to OMAP35xx? Apr 06 11:44:46 (assuming same peripherals, ofcourse) Apr 06 11:45:06 I guess same filesystem would have high likelihood of working, if you had a suitable xload/uboot/uImage Apr 06 11:45:10 JamieBennett: you work @canonical now? Apr 06 11:45:11 Yes, I think so. It's just tailored for industrial instead of commercial/mobile Apr 06 11:45:43 ok, that is what I thought.. Apr 06 11:46:15 The question is if Ubuntu will accept patches and fixes to a HW which is not officially supported, that all Apr 06 11:46:18 It ought be possible to construct a kernel that works for either, but xload/uboot will surely differ. Apr 06 11:46:25 hrw: yes Apr 06 11:46:29 well, if you ignore accelerators (not sure if AM35xx has DSP?)... userspace should be quite similar Apr 06 11:46:35 * XorA normally finds the same rootfs can boot on many many different boards if udev is working right Apr 06 11:46:40 yup Apr 06 11:46:46 nosse1: As long as 1) it doesn't break anything, 2) if complies with freezes, and 3) it doesn't require more trees, probably. Apr 06 11:47:30 nosse1: YES we will accept patches. But not necessarily all of them :) Apr 06 11:47:58 The vanilla debian lucid kernel for ti-omap does not work (it crashes). I have to use a 2.6.32 kernel supplied by TI. I have not investigated the extent of patches between the ti-omap ubuntu kernel and the one from TI Apr 06 11:48:44 My guess is that when we have overcome the kernel obstacle, hopefully Ubuntu will work OOB Apr 06 11:48:55 * hrw -> printer for some papers to read/sign Apr 06 11:48:58 You'll need to do that investigation. Especially this late in the cycle, patches that aren't known to work also for supported boards are very unlikely to be accepted. Apr 06 11:49:31 Thats why I asked if ARM is releasing together with 10.04... :D Apr 06 11:50:14 All the architectures have the same schedule. They are all based on the same sources, uploaded at the same time. Apr 06 11:50:43 We happen to like ARM in this channel, but it's not special in any way in an Ubuntu context. Apr 06 11:53:34 nosse1: I haven't seen a bug report yet regarding this kernel crash (hint). If I do, I might be more able (and inclined) to help Apr 06 11:53:55 I think the job you guys devote to Ububtu ARM is awsome! It really simplifies the use of linux if we can use vanilla Ubuntu for a embedded target. Apr 06 11:54:28 hey amitk, any opinion on my mess of bug 541030 i was thinking about also insmod'ing the driver with a script in the initramfs if it was possible.. Apr 06 11:54:29 Launchpad bug 541030 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "omap kernel musb/ehci ports not enabled on beagleboard (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541030 Apr 06 11:55:50 amitk, thank you, I appreciate it. I will submit as we have something. BTW: The lucid ti-omap kernel crashes on startup on the AM3517. Are you interested in a bugreport on that? (being a unsupported HW and all) Apr 06 11:55:52 rcn-ee: working on the USB issue ATM (top of my list) Apr 06 11:56:16 nosse1: yes, I'm interested in seeing what the crash is. Apr 06 11:56:51 nosse1: Just to be clear, Ubuntu isn't an embedded OS. It's a general-purpose OS. If you have very powerful hardware, you don't have to play embedded, but don't think you can reliably make it work with 128MB flash and 32MB RAM (which is fine for some OSs). Apr 06 11:57:10 rcn-ee: are you saying in that bug (still reading through it) that compiling the modules in gets rid of the bug? Apr 06 11:57:47 persia, no problem. Our product will have 512M and 1G flash, so ubuntu-minimal with our app on top will fit perfectly Apr 06 11:58:33 Right now, just compiling in that original config change.. only the ehci port is active on startup.. Whereas you have to insmod one of the drivers to get the otg port working... Apr 06 11:59:30 rcn-ee: OTG needs at least one gadget driver Apr 06 11:59:47 once i reverted the b585 commit, that config patch gives you an active ehci and otg port on startup.. I've currently seperated the b586 commit into a safe (doesn't break musb) and a what breaks it.. Apr 06 12:00:00 What draws me to Ubuntu (over pure embedded linuxes, like OpenEmbedded) is the package maintenance and upgrade system. Having this, makes us focus solely on our app and we can consider the HW as a "general PC" Apr 06 12:00:33 rcn-ee: you're testing this through a powered USB hub, I presume? Apr 06 12:01:04 correct... with a correct otg to usb connector... Apr 06 12:01:38 XorA, yeah i usually leave the ethernet gadget built in... Apr 06 12:02:30 nosse1: Then you're in the right place. Just don't confuse it with real embedded stuff: there's all sorts of stuff installed that "wastes" space from that viewpoint. Apr 06 12:04:17 I'm going to spend some more time on it today, CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OTG=y is in the bad diff, but I've been using it fine on my own builds.. It's just the right combination of config options to get it to work... Apr 06 12:05:38 rcn-ee: right, we need to fix the Kconfig options upstream DTRT Apr 06 12:09:19 yeah... more then likely, but as a note CONFIG_USB_MUSB_OTG=y does work in my 2.6.33.x mainline branches on rcn-ee.net.. Apr 06 12:10:11 /etc/fstab needs to be configured with the correct / source right? Because this is used in the initrd image to remount root, right? Apr 06 12:10:31 Right. Apr 06 12:40:03 Do you have a standard workflow (like update-initramfs) for making U-boot images from the kernels in /boot ? Apr 06 12:46:06 amitk, OK Now I've loaded the ti-omap kernel with the kernel crash. You want me to submit the full output? Apr 06 12:47:06 nosse1: dmesg, cat /proc/cpuinfo output is appreciated. Please attach it to a launchpad bug Apr 06 12:47:35 * persia recommends using `ubuntu-bug linux-tiomap` Apr 06 12:47:58 amitk, Can't give cpuinfo, as I cannot get so far to have a console. Apr 06 12:48:03 * amitk would recommend that too, but suspects nosse1 isn't running the full rootfs yet Apr 06 12:48:35 nosse1: ok Apr 06 12:50:51 Which project/package? This one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect Apr 06 12:52:05 nosse1: file it against linux-ti-omap Apr 06 12:52:37 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/+filebug/?no-redirect Apr 06 12:55:04 sorry for being such a newbie here, but I understand you want me to put tags on it? Apr 06 12:55:18 "armel" is probably enough to start. Apr 06 12:55:41 But it's somewhat superfluous for that package, as it doesn't work on any other architecture :) Apr 06 13:03:46 Does this bug 556482 contain the information you need. I'm humble to comments... Apr 06 13:03:49 Launchpad bug 556482 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "kernel crash when booting on AM3517-EVM (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556482 Apr 06 13:04:59 nosse1: Please also attach /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg Apr 06 13:05:25 persia, for a system that I can't boot? Apr 06 13:05:51 nosse1: kernel outputs something during boot right? Apr 06 13:06:01 The output was attached. Apr 06 13:06:02 nosse1: and /proc/cpuinfo from working kernel Apr 06 13:06:09 ah, did not yet checed Apr 06 13:06:29 dmesg from working kernel may also be interesting (but make it clear that this is not the regular kernel), just as a reference. Apr 06 13:06:38 this is the initial bringup of this HW, unless you guys have used the AM3517 evm before Apr 06 13:06:50 nosse1: remove audio from kernel and boot Apr 06 13:08:14 Yeah, I have done that in my own custom compiles. I still can't boot for some other reason. Point is, I assumed you were interested in feeback regarding the vanilla kernels Apr 06 13:08:49 Absolutely, but the more information you can provide, the better a chance that the issue can be fixed. Apr 06 13:09:59 Will do. Except the kernel will not be compiled natively (yet) since I don't have a running system. I have to crosscompile to speed things up until then Apr 06 13:10:06 nosse1: according to kernel output problem is in am3517 audio drivers Apr 06 13:11:35 Yes, that is what I also figured Apr 06 13:11:39 nosse1: as hrw stated, could you recompile the kernel with sound disabled, it looks like a sound driver crash Apr 06 13:12:24 [ 675.150604] AIC23 Audio Codec 0.1 Apr 06 13:12:25 [ 675.154052] Failed to add route LOUT->Line Out Apr 06 13:12:25 [ 675.158538] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000004 Apr 06 13:15:18 nosse1: but thanks for pointing out a problem in my own configs, I will now move sounds drivers to modules, they're not required for boot Apr 06 13:16:01 np. I'm looking forward to try the new kernel ;) Apr 06 13:25:20 btw - can I download working kernel+rootfs for beagleboard somewhere? Apr 06 13:26:32 hrw: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/ Apr 06 13:26:41 hrw: dd to an sd card and go! Apr 06 13:26:54 gracias Apr 06 13:27:10 hrw: If it doesn't work in any way, please file lots of bugs: it *should* work. Apr 06 13:27:42 hrw: Also, we're currently preparing for the beta2 release: if you're up for participating in the test review process, /join #ubuntu-testing and folks will get you sorted. Apr 06 13:28:23 persia: I will take care of resulting bugs in May. April is already booked for other projects Apr 06 13:29:35 hrw: Please file the reports, even if you don't fix them. The idea is that if we don't know what is broken, we can't fix it :) Apr 06 13:29:50 (and the other idea is that we want to make sure the image called "Beta 2" is actually decent) Apr 06 13:30:06 sure Apr 06 13:35:22 ogra__: asac: any chance the beta2 images will enable serial port by default? Apr 06 13:36:44 amitk: I believe they don't currently, but that could be enabled if you think it's a beta-blocker. Does the current kernel have all the right support? Apr 06 13:37:04 amitk: And don't you need a new kernel for beta2 anyway, for USB? Apr 06 13:38:40 persia: I have that build machine info for David M. Can you send me his email details, I didn't get his card in Nice Apr 06 13:39:34 persia: there is nothing lacking on the kernel side for serial port support, it is missing in userspace (kernel cmdline + //etc/init). Apr 06 13:39:47 lrg: you here too? Apr 06 13:39:58 * hrw see more and more OE developers aroung ubuntu/arm Apr 06 13:40:05 hrw: I'm everywhere :) Apr 06 13:40:10 persia: It severely hampers working with the board for sure Apr 06 13:40:34 amitk: So, if that gets turned on, doesn't it break something with plymouth? Apr 06 13:40:52 persia: if it does, I haven't heard of it. Apr 06 13:40:54 persia: developer board should always respond on serial port with getty Apr 06 13:41:30 thats why my desktop has 7 serial ports Apr 06 13:41:35 hrw: Yes, but 1) that's different than console, and 2) the images Ubuntu produces are end-user images (which can be used for development). Apr 06 13:42:26 persia: I've always disagreed with point 2 being a reason to disable serial console (even on FSL and MVL) Apr 06 13:43:17 amitk: Well, how about other architectures? Apr 06 13:43:54 I'm not opposed to serial consoles, but I don't see any reason for ARM to be special, vs. e.g. PPC or amd64. Apr 06 13:45:30 persia: ARM is special in the sense that we're working mostly with dev boards and vendor kernels that are still WIP. So debugability (sp?) is a must. Apr 06 13:50:30 For you guys running u-boot, how do you update the images from the stock kernels? Do you mkimage manually, or is there some tool/script available which triggers on update-initramfs? Apr 06 14:48:56 nosse1: http://people.canonical.com/~amitk/ti/linux-image-2.6.33-500-omap_2.6.33-500.4_armel.deb is a kernel w/o sound compiled-in. See if it works better for you. Apr 06 14:55:44 amitk, Thanks. I got this: Apr 06 14:55:52 dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.33-500-omap_2.6.33-500.4_armel.deb (--install): Apr 06 14:55:54 short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.33-500-omap/kernel/net/econet/econet.ko') Apr 06 14:56:18 nosse1: refetch as you have broken deb file Apr 06 14:56:39 I can be a bug in qemu which I use to deploy the deb Apr 06 14:58:02 * nosse1 refetching Apr 06 14:58:15 nosse1: manually extract deb file Apr 06 14:59:13 The deb download no2 is different from first. Either amitk rebuilt the deb or my download was faulty the first time Apr 06 15:03:45 amitk, Crashed at the same spot. I'm double checking to see if I am running the new kernel or not Apr 06 15:05:36 * armin76 has better hardware than NCommander (still) Apr 06 15:11:34 armin76: Isn't that usually the case? I would expect it to be a requirement for your distro of choice :) Apr 06 15:12:04 'your penis is larger then mine' talks again? Apr 06 15:14:16 !ohmy | hrw Apr 06 15:14:16 hrw: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. Apr 06 15:14:19 But yes. Apr 06 15:15:10 but how many of you has armv4t board with EP93xx cpu? Apr 06 15:15:25 persia: made it back to tokyo then? Apr 06 15:15:40 totally broken VFP unit, hardware decelaratted graphics... Apr 06 15:15:40 hrw: heh. Don't think that can even run any Ubuntu. Apr 06 15:16:15 XorA: Yes, and smoothly. I made the sensible choice of refusing the wheelchair at Narita, which got me through the airport ever so much faster :) Apr 06 15:16:40 persia: yeah that guy wasnt the fastest helper in the world :-D Apr 06 15:16:44 amitk, the config file in the deb file you provided are exactly equal to the one the main repo. Hence the audio is still enabled Apr 06 15:17:19 hrw: EP93xx has maverick fpu, no vfp iirc ? Apr 06 15:17:52 XorA, persia: heh, at least you guys were not left holding the baby ;) Apr 06 15:18:29 lrg: you looked so comfortable with it as well :-D Apr 06 15:18:39 suihkulokki: yes, anyway it still require set of patches to be usable Apr 06 15:20:10 amitk, I hope you get this. I need to leave for the evening Apr 06 15:20:29 See you later guys! Apr 06 15:23:58 persia: no :( Apr 06 15:25:17 Oh well. Sorry for the compilation dig. Apr 06 15:28:30 * XorA suddenly remebers his beagle has two SD slots and gets a lot happier Apr 06 15:53:59 hi, all. how can I get the exact version number of each package, without a running system? e.g. i want to know which version of gstreamer is in lucid. is there a tool/webpage i can use? Apr 06 15:55:10 ndechesne: http://packages.ubuntu.com/PACKAGENAME Apr 06 15:56:12 Or use rmadison. p.u.c is usually hours (and sometimes a day or so) out of date. Apr 06 15:56:27 `rmadison ${PACKAGE}` Apr 06 15:57:38 Alternately, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/${SRCPACKAGE} is always correct. Apr 06 16:04:25 hrw, persia: thanks. is there a madison.cgi for armel anywhere? Apr 06 16:05:09 versions are architecture-independent. Everything is uploaded as source, and compiled against all architectures permitted based on the Architecture: fields in debian/control. Apr 06 16:05:40 If there is skew, it's either vey temporary, or will be represented as a build failure at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs Apr 06 16:06:07 The reason rmadison doesn't actually report for armel is annoying and related to datacenter layout. Apr 06 16:06:27 (and fixable, but not by most folk) Apr 06 16:06:51 persia: thx! Apr 06 17:00:12 OOF Apr 06 17:00:19 the UDS hotel is expeeeeensive Apr 06 17:00:56 but I just emailed Jorge and he said a group code was coming from the organizer Apr 06 17:01:07 The plane ticket is likewise going to cost a pretty penny Apr 06 17:02:57 Yeah. *Always* book the hotel using the group code. Apr 06 17:03:21 Martyn: hmm... how much are we talking about per night ? Apr 06 17:04:41 Really, don't trust the non-group-code numbers. Apr 06 17:05:18 I can remember one case where an entire hotel was block-rented and the individual room cost ended up being something like 25% of the nominal charge. Apr 06 17:05:35 hmm, picked up the rootfs from rcn-ee, but ... is there a convention for default userid / password on these images? (I had built mine from scratch, so set it myself!) Apr 06 17:06:54 peterkirn2: Try ubuntu/ubuntu or ubuntu/ Apr 06 17:07:35 persia: nope. also tried ubuntu/passwd as I had seen that somewhere. Apr 06 17:07:44 Irg : 170 Euro for the cheapest room Apr 06 17:07:53 Irg : 240 Euro for a decent (but only mid-range) room Apr 06 17:08:04 Irg : You don't want to know where it goes from there Apr 06 17:08:45 persia: may just need to return to building my own rootfs ;) I still can't work out why my root permissions are borked on the one I created; can't seem to find a fix. Apr 06 17:08:48 as it is, the flight from Austin to Brussels is going to cost me ~700 Euro Apr 06 17:09:07 * Martyn is unhappy with the lucid rootfs Apr 06 17:09:15 Martyn: I hope the group code is good. I have to buy with UK pounds atm and they are very weak :( Apr 06 17:09:24 peterkirn2: Dunno. Try extracting one from one of the images, or ask rcn-ee Apr 06 17:09:24 I'm getting a strange error, and I can't remember for the life of me how to fix it --- procps terminated with error code 255 Apr 06 17:10:05 Are there any known issues with lucid rootstock? Apr 06 17:10:09 persia: there's a way to extract uid / pwd from an existing rootfs? Apr 06 17:10:46 uid is easy: just mount it somewhere and check /etc/passed. Apr 06 17:10:49 passwd! Apr 06 17:11:03 ah, of course Apr 06 17:11:04 pwd is harder, but easy to set to nothing if you can mount the rootfs somewhere. Apr 06 17:11:10 Martyn, only the qemu hang if you install bigger tasks and the rootstock GUI eating your CPU are currently on my plate Apr 06 17:11:50 persia: yeah, of course; I usually don't have rootfs lying around so hadn't occurred to me to think through how that'd be done. will do. :) at least then will know how this fs is working, which may reveal something about why karmic rootstock was causing trouble for me. Apr 06 17:12:02 Okay, I'll switch to debootstrap then Apr 06 17:12:04 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/06/another-job-change/ Apr 06 17:12:06 debootstrap –variant=minbase lucid rootfs.ubuntu ... right? Apr 06 17:12:14 then I can run the server task Apr 06 17:17:57 Martyn, you want qemu-debootstrap Apr 06 17:18:12 and --arch armel Apr 06 17:18:21 Well, depends on whether you're native or not, but often. Apr 06 17:18:59 right, indeed, if you are on one of your speedy -a9 servers you even might run it natively :) Apr 06 17:33:35 ogra : Why? Apr 06 17:33:39 I'm native on a tegra2 now :) Apr 06 17:33:48 pffft Apr 06 17:33:57 native debootstrap is definitely preferred Apr 06 17:33:58 and I have (undisclosed hardware) that's running at 1.6 GHz Apr 06 17:34:05 Cool! Apr 06 17:34:14 but weirdly outfitted as a tricore. Apr 06 17:34:23 What's wrong with tricore? Apr 06 17:34:27 stop making us eager ! Apr 06 17:34:43 it's strange, and has wierd knock-on effects with the strange amount of L2 cache Apr 06 17:34:57 but it's fast .. gods so far Apr 06 17:35:01 fast rather Apr 06 17:35:12 ogra : I'll bring at least ONE of these platforms to UDS Apr 06 17:35:23 although it will probably have to hide inside a box. Apr 06 17:36:25 Linux quark-a9 2.6.29-arm2-dirty #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Mar 31 17:25:45 CDT 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Apr 06 17:36:52 2048 megs of memory installed on 'em too .. but only 667MHz .. :( Apr 06 17:37:01 I can't wait till I can slam in 4GB of 1033 Apr 06 17:37:20 even 2048/667 makes a lovely server for lots of purposes. Apr 06 17:38:01 Martyn: tricore ARM? Spiffy. Apr 06 17:38:17 DanaG : Yeah, but all our other platforms have either dual or quad core Apr 06 17:38:44 DanaG :This wierd tricore chip is the way it is, because the fourth core failed verification and was laser disabled Apr 06 17:38:48 hmm, my only piece of ARM hardware is my beagleboard. Apr 06 17:39:14 persia : Yes, it does. We'll know if I can get lucid up and working correctly shortly. Apr 06 17:39:22 Are there any easily-available dual- or quad-core ARM thingies out there? Apr 06 17:39:46 you'll probably have to break-in Apr 06 17:39:55 DanaG : the tegra2... Apr 06 17:43:24 hmm, just need to figure out where to get one. seems to be easier said than done. Apr 06 17:44:20 er, "more easily" Apr 06 17:44:57 DanaG: My solution has been "wait". So far, this got me a working laptop last fall, and I'm expecting to have a good server this fall. Apr 06 17:46:02 When I got my current EliteBook, I had to wait essentially from May until like September before the thing was available customized-to-order. Apr 06 17:46:21 But it's better to wait for something you really want, than to buy something you won't really like, "now". Apr 06 17:47:32 I guess. I just went to the shop and got a Netwalker a couple weeks after they went on sale. It's very much not customised-to-order, but it works. Apr 06 17:47:33 too bad tegra isn't available the same way the beagleboard is. Apr 06 17:47:52 I had to CTO my laptop, because I wanted 1920x1200 with ATI. Prebuilt didn't offer that. Apr 06 17:48:38 hmm, netwalker... looks interesting. Apr 06 17:49:17 $479, if that's what it's supposed to be, looks too expensive for what I'd get. Apr 06 17:49:18 Nice little laptop. Not much onboard storage, and would benefit from bluetooth or stereo audio, but... Apr 06 17:49:31 Yeah, well. Pricing is different here :) Apr 06 17:51:13 mono audio... bleh. Apr 06 17:55:14 I guess. I mostly wanted an update for my Zauri: it's a bit larger than I like, but nobody else is selling anything comparable right now. Apr 06 17:56:56 I mean, if you're going to have a mono speaker... at least have it centered. =þ Apr 06 17:58:31 I just turned off sound :) Apr 06 18:18:17 which package includes the stuff needed for tasksel's dialog? Apr 06 18:18:25 I looked for 'dialog' and didn't find it Apr 06 18:24:08 nevermind :) I forgot to add 'universe' Apr 06 18:38:54 Drat ... Apr 06 18:38:59 upstart is really not acting nicely Apr 06 18:39:13 bad upstart :) Apr 06 18:39:17 if do a debootstrap, there still just isn't enough in there to get to a console Apr 06 18:39:30 http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/lxc-configure-ubuntu-lucid-containers/ Apr 06 18:39:30 O Apr 06 18:39:45 I'm following this recipe, somewhat modified .. to build rootfs Apr 06 18:40:45 init: upstart pre-start process (544) terminated with status 32 Apr 06 18:40:50 If you skip the --variant bit it ought be fine. Apr 06 18:47:25 persia : Wait, are you saying that using minbase is no longer desireable? Apr 06 18:47:43 No. Apr 06 18:48:18 I'm saying that I don't believe variants other than buildd to be well-tested in Ubuntu, and I don't expect the buildd variant to be sufficient to boot a working system. Apr 06 18:48:25 I may be mistaken. Apr 06 18:51:26 Well, I'll try again without a variant Apr 06 18:51:31 and see if the resulting system is bootable Apr 06 18:54:01 Good luck. Apr 06 18:54:36 You might also try playing with vm-builder, which is designed to generate (native) target filesystems for applicances. Pulling the filesystem out later is left as an expercise for the developer. Apr 06 19:29:25 http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/hands-on-skylight/ Apr 06 19:29:33 now... when can we BUY one of these? Apr 06 20:57:59 * prpplague wonders if davidm actually drops in the channel Apr 06 21:06:41 prpplague: he does :) Apr 07 01:07:02 eggonlea: you around? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 07 02:59:57 2010