**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 15 02:59:56 2010 Apr 15 05:03:22 hi Apr 15 05:04:05 i need a simple way to setup a virtual machine with ubuntu-arm running it... can anyone point me to some doc ? Apr 15 06:15:13 philo, see topic :) Apr 15 06:31:27 my board have two output hdmi and lcd ,but it's default out lcd ,how to change it to hdmi display Apr 15 06:32:24 need i modify the frame buffer ? Apr 15 06:33:10 aaron_liuj: what board is it? Apr 15 06:37:04 arm Apr 15 06:37:15 one type arm board Apr 15 06:38:40 2 output device , but default is lcd ,i want change it to hdmi tv Apr 15 06:38:51 how to do that ? Apr 15 06:47:23 aaron_liuj: I'm afraid we need more info than that. What processor does it use? Is it a custom board, etc.. Apr 15 06:51:02 tcc8900 Apr 15 06:52:00 but the i have he right worked hdmi driver Apr 15 06:52:08 but the i have the right worked hdmi driver Apr 15 06:52:51 but i don't know how to change the default output device Apr 15 06:53:47 aaron_liuj: that is not an SoC that is supported by Ubuntu, so I'm not familiar with its drivers Apr 15 06:55:17 i think it's vary samilar with pc have vga and hdmi port Apr 15 06:55:26 i think it's very samilar with pc have vga and hdmi port Apr 15 06:55:51 i think it's very samilar with pc have vga and dvi, hdmi port Apr 15 06:56:06 it is probably in the framebuffer driver options somewhere Apr 15 07:21:38 telechips? Apr 15 07:21:49 hmm, my Cowon S9 has some telechips thingy of some sort. Apr 15 07:24:40 never heard of them before Apr 15 07:25:52 yeah from telechips Apr 15 07:27:26 aaron_liuj: ususally its a kernel command line option, or if you just care about X, you might be able to get by with just xrandr, but I can't tell you the specifics Apr 15 07:28:00 Martyn: dove has surrond sound Apr 15 07:28:36 hrm, so broken_system_clock in e2fsck.conf doesnt help :( Apr 15 07:33:13 hi there Apr 15 07:40:02 ogra: hi Apr 15 07:40:11 hey saeed Apr 15 07:41:01 I would like to boot lucid on dove with console on serial Apr 15 07:41:42 it would be very usefull if we can append args to bootargs of the boot.scr Apr 15 07:44:46 saeed, that will breake the splash screen on all desktop installs, do you want that ? Apr 15 07:45:20 plymouth sadly breaks once a console= option is on the cmdline and wont display any splash anymore Apr 15 07:46:39 ogra: what is splash sceen? Apr 15 07:47:24 ok, I googled it Apr 15 07:47:43 anyway, the console option will be added only for debug Apr 15 07:47:51 heh, its the progressbar screen you see on boot of ubuntu desktop systems Apr 15 07:48:19 also, we may add other options Apr 15 07:49:00 it's a bit late to change these options, we need to talk to the release team given that final freeze was yesterday Apr 15 07:49:24 how confident are you that they are 100% not causing any problems (the additional options i mean) Apr 15 07:49:36 I see, please consider it for next release Apr 15 07:50:07 we'll do, we can get a freeze exception but it must be a 100% bulletproof change Apr 15 07:50:46 if the images get unbootable due to some cmdline option you request thats a disaster Apr 15 07:51:22 ogra: I'm not looking to add permanent options to the cmdline Apr 15 07:51:43 only temporary options for debugging specific issue Apr 15 07:52:09 you can easily change boot.scr yourself Apr 15 07:52:29 if its only for you for debugging Apr 15 07:53:12 just grab it, remove the binary header, save it as boot.script and edit bootargs to your liking Apr 15 07:54:20 then run: mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Ubuntu boot script" -d /boot/boot.scr Apr 15 07:54:36 its trivial Apr 15 07:54:39 ok Apr 15 08:04:58 Morning everyone Apr 15 08:09:02 good night all Apr 15 08:15:49 ogra: I think saeed was just asking for a local workaround Apr 15 08:16:05 lool, yeah, i didnt get that Apr 15 08:16:07 saeed: What we kind of miss is some UI to offer multiple kernels and versions with options Apr 15 08:16:36 saeed: Could probably be done with the soft bootloader PoC, or some other bootloader like petitboot and such Apr 15 08:17:00 saeed: But locally you could regenerate boot.scr or break into u-boot I guess? Apr 15 08:18:26 lool: I used to create my own bootcmd based on the boot.scr one, I also tried to modify the boot.scr as ogea suggested. both methods work Apr 15 08:19:40 however, if the next release is comming with softbootloaded, then that will be great Apr 15 08:20:03 btw, what is the status of the softloader? Apr 15 08:20:55 Ncommander worked on that, right? Apr 15 08:21:19 lool: atleast openmoko uses a u-boot that supports menu entries IIRC Apr 15 08:21:21 saeed: No it's not coming with softbootloader Apr 15 08:21:51 saeed: I think ogra and NCommander had a working proof of concept, but I'm not sure what prevented its wider use; for a long time kexec was badly broken Apr 15 08:22:04 saeed: Perhaps the kexec breakage prevented its use? Not sure Apr 15 08:22:19 saeed: project name is now https://launchpad.net/mukluk Apr 15 08:22:35 look: issues with kexec were fixed Apr 15 08:23:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry Apr 15 08:23:48 So I cant comment in place of NCommander and ogra Apr 15 08:23:55 lool, kexec broke suspend/resume on most arches we added it ... Apr 15 08:24:22 i think it was withdrawn from most of our kernels again until thats better understood by the kernel guys Apr 15 08:25:35 amitk, since you are affected by bug 563618, would you mind to confirm it ? Apr 15 08:25:37 Launchpad bug 563618 in util-linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "there is no way to tell fsck to ignore broken clocks on embedded systems (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563618 Apr 15 08:26:40 else Keybuk will close it immediately again and tell me its fixed :) Apr 15 08:27:28 ogra: done Apr 15 08:27:33 thanks :) Apr 15 08:31:01 * ogra waits for dpms to kick in so he can reproduce the DSS2 bug finally Apr 15 08:35:49 ogra, does the new ti-omap -5 cover the changes you made to the kernel yesterday? Apr 15 08:36:53 comparing to the -4 config, there doesn't seem to be anything changed related to console Apr 15 08:37:28 nosse1: that isn't built yet... long backlog of arm packages just before freeze Apr 15 08:37:36 https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/2.6.33-500.6/+build/1692899 Apr 15 08:38:14 amtik, thanks. I can extract the config from those sources Apr 15 08:38:44 nosse1: use tab for my nick :) Apr 15 08:40:13 amitk, sorry. Didn't mean to offend. I've tried using the tab, but maybe this isn't a function in chatzilla Apr 15 08:40:52 nosse1: none taken, just trying to point you to a (timesaving) feature. :) Apr 15 08:41:10 trust me, I have been looking... ;) Apr 15 08:44:38 ogra: I'm trying to debug the hibernate issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/509006 Apr 15 08:44:41 Launchpad bug 509006 in linux-mvl-dove (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "[dove] hibernation failed to resume (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,Confirmed] Apr 15 08:45:29 I suspect that the issue is that the initramdisk mounts the root partition before doing the resume Apr 15 08:48:30 saeed: You can break into the initrd by passing extra args Apr 15 08:48:38 saeed: break=top break=bottom etc. Apr 15 08:48:54 saeed: if you unpack an Ubuntu initrd and grep for maybe_break, you should see all the possible break points Apr 15 08:49:13 lool: thank, I'll try it Apr 15 08:49:21 or look under /usr/share/initramfs-tools Apr 15 08:49:35 (easier than explicitly unpacking) Apr 15 08:51:19 lool, http://paste.ubuntu.com/414821/ Apr 15 08:52:25 lool, i have one prob left ... if you look below "Erasing Initramfs NAND space" you will notice that i use $kmtdsize (4MB) to erase the initramfs space Apr 15 08:53:39 lool, the default size of that space is just to big to erase it all ... without erasing we cant write (generates IO errors) what would you recommend to use for a erase size ? i was pondering to hardcode a value somewhere Apr 15 08:54:20 ogra: You mean it's too slow to erase it all? Apr 15 08:54:23 ogra: how large is it? Apr 15 08:54:27 yeah, its 2Gig Apr 15 08:54:39 For Kernel? Apr 15 08:54:41 its the filesystem space for the rootfs originally Apr 15 08:54:47 no, kernel is 4MB Apr 15 08:54:49 Who creates the Kernel partition? Apr 15 08:54:54 the kernel Apr 15 08:55:12 for a later release we need to sort that stuff in kernel Apr 15 08:55:19 but for 10.04 i doubt we can Apr 15 08:55:22 Ok, there's a space for a rootfs and you use it for the initramfs Apr 15 08:55:27 right Apr 15 08:55:34 and its to big to erase it all Apr 15 08:55:43 ogra: Can't you change the partitions to be sensible? Apr 15 08:55:44 takes 10-15min Apr 15 08:56:00 no, they are set in kernel Apr 15 08:56:15 ogra: pointer? Apr 15 08:56:18 in the omap mtd driver actually Apr 15 08:56:50 lool, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c;h=962d377970e9bb198d410abf1ac1b418d0658341;hb=HEAD Apr 15 08:56:59 thanks Apr 15 08:57:15 amitk: Are there any other changes to the kernel except for config changes? Apr 15 08:57:24 ogra: Could you possibly use the kernel part for both, or is it two small? Apr 15 08:57:35 for both ? Apr 15 08:57:40 whats both ? Apr 15 08:57:50 oh Apr 15 08:57:58 4MB is definately to small Apr 15 08:58:06 Yeah Apr 15 08:58:54 ogra: So I have some ideas, but first could you explain where these IO errors come fronm? Apr 15 08:59:17 I thought you could write whatever you like to mtdblock parts, the kernel will do the NAND flashing to 0xff for you if needed Apr 15 08:59:19 lool, no idea, i get them if i write to unerased space Apr 15 08:59:34 nosse1: no other changes, they'll happen after release as SRUs Apr 15 08:59:36 ogra: I suspect it's a bug in the offset / size you're writing Apr 15 08:59:38 as soon as i zero it everything works flawless Apr 15 08:59:55 i got the offset sizes from the beagle docs Apr 15 09:00:05 they seem to be identical across all beagles Apr 15 09:01:14 ogra: I would say you should have at least 16 MiB for the initrd data Apr 15 09:01:20 ok Apr 15 09:01:23 for safety, you could go to something higher Apr 15 09:01:28 like 64 Apr 15 09:01:31 where would you put it ? Apr 15 09:01:45 in the rootfs part Apr 15 09:01:49 in the script (i dont use flash-kernel.conf yet and would happily not) Apr 15 09:01:59 ok Apr 15 09:02:19 ogra: how do you load the initrd ATM? Apr 15 09:02:26 nand load Apr 15 09:02:31 certainly *some* components needs to be made aware of the actual size we care about Apr 15 09:02:37 ogra: do you have control of that script? Apr 15 09:02:39 amitk: How do you generate the .config? Cat everyting together from debian.ti-omap/config ? Apr 15 09:02:41 see the top part of my paste Apr 15 09:02:55 line 10-26 Apr 15 09:03:21 it uses uboot-envtools to set the u-boot env Apr 15 09:05:08 ogra: yeah, so you're essentially already listing the initnrd size Apr 15 09:05:14 right Apr 15 09:05:22 i have to change it in both places Apr 15 09:05:38 or would you suggest to parse bootcmd in flash-kernel ? Apr 15 09:05:40 ogra: I guess that's ok; if would be nice if you followed the usual u-boot variables Apr 15 09:05:55 beagleboard comes with a nice set of u-boot envs vars Apr 15 09:06:12 mine doesnt anymore :P Apr 15 09:06:21 after i played with the flash :) Apr 15 09:06:23 ogra: Well if you were to use proper vars, it would be nice to parse in flash-kernel Apr 15 09:06:42 e.g. (I'm not sure what exists already) initrd_nand_addr, initrd_nand_size etc. Apr 15 09:06:53 ogra: you can reset the values to their defaults Apr 15 09:06:57 resetenv or something Apr 15 09:07:02 ah, right Apr 15 09:07:57 ogra: I suspect they don't use the rootfs as an initrd though Apr 15 09:08:00 sorry initramfs Apr 15 09:08:16 ogra: Perhaps it would be more elegant to just write what you need to write and use it as an initrd instead of initramfs? Apr 15 09:08:18 right Apr 15 09:08:26 there are no vars at all for initramfs usage Apr 15 09:08:39 nor for initrd Apr 15 09:08:46 ogra: Hmm really Apr 15 09:09:01 yeah Apr 15 09:09:09 initrd isnt a concept on beagle Apr 15 09:09:23 jffs2args=setenv bootargs console=${console} ${optargs} root=/dev/mtdblock4 rw rootfstype=jffs2 Apr 15 09:09:25 even finding proper docs with google is painful Apr 15 09:09:41 right, thats for a rootfs Apr 15 09:09:44 Oh it's certainly supported for sd Apr 15 09:09:49 I see you changed the HZ. Why is that? Apr 15 09:10:51 nosse1, ?? Apr 15 09:10:55 ogra: So I'd introduce a nandinitrdboot or similar which would set root=UUID=something and load some configurable megabytes of the rootfs as an initrd; I'd read that value from flash-kernel to zero it Apr 15 09:11:14 ok Apr 15 09:11:26 You can re-use rdaddr Apr 15 09:12:17 amitk, bug 563650 with kisses for you :) Apr 15 09:12:19 Launchpad bug 563650 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "DSS2 oops when shutting down while DPMS is active (affects: 1)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563650 Apr 15 09:12:42 I wonder whether it would be possible to point the kernel at the nand for the initramfs and unpack it in RAM Apr 15 09:12:59 lool, what scares me a bit is to rely to much on uboot-envtools Apr 15 09:13:51 lool, thats for 10.10 :) Apr 15 09:15:07 * ogra will already be happy if he ends up with a bootable *something* on lucid beagle ... given bug 563618 and Keybuks attitude towards the prob thats not looking good atm Apr 15 09:15:09 Launchpad bug 563618 in util-linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "there is no way to tell fsck to ignore broken clocks on embedded systems (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563618 Apr 15 09:17:29 nosse1: right, cat together all of it Apr 15 09:17:34 ogra: thanks Apr 15 09:32:00 saeed: softbootloader was blocked on lack of kexec() Apr 15 09:32:08 saeed: kernel support landed too late for lucid unfortunately Apr 15 09:33:10 ogra: i'm glad I told you 64 MiB because the usual ubuntu config is actually 4 MiB Apr 15 09:33:14 *64 Apr 15 09:33:42 i would have gone with 16 :) Apr 15 09:34:00 i dont think i have ever seen a bigger initramfs in my life Apr 15 09:34:25 ogra: given that the size in the kernel config is 64 MiB, that would seem a prudent value to use Apr 15 09:34:40 ogra: are you checking the file size before writing it? Apr 15 09:35:19 not explicitly, no but thats just a copy paste job Apr 15 09:35:38 ogra: Make sure there's some check in place? Apr 15 09:35:57 quoting is a bit inconsistent in your diff too Apr 15 09:36:16 check_size "Kernel" $(($kfilesize + 8 + 64)) $kmtdsize Apr 15 09:36:24 like that ? Apr 15 09:36:30 apw: Would you be open to bumping the default ramdisk size in the dove config to 65536 instad of 4096? :_) Apr 15 09:36:35 (stolen from QNAP) Apr 15 09:36:43 ogra: something like that, I'm afraid I lack the specifics Apr 15 09:37:02 ogra: note that you're actually writing an u-boot image which is slightly bigger than the initrd Apr 15 09:37:05 lool, i think that is becoming the default on the other arm branches Apr 15 09:37:13 i presume you mean for SRU Apr 15 09:37:14 lool, indeed Apr 15 09:37:42 apw: Yes, it's the case in pretty much all other branches, not sure why not on dove Apr 15 09:38:01 apw: I guess it's for $next-upload, SRU or late upload; happy either way Apr 15 09:38:21 apw: I would like if it's in git and I can forget about this discrepancy :-) Apr 15 09:39:46 lool, as dove is in the can is there a bug as we'll need one to SRU the change Apr 15 09:45:18 apw: no open bug, can file one now Apr 15 09:45:29 lool thanks Apr 15 09:45:31 assign it to me Apr 15 09:49:02 apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/563679 Apr 15 09:49:06 Launchpad bug 563679 in linux-mvl-dove (Ubuntu) "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE should be 65536 as in other kernels (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] Apr 15 09:49:13 lool ta Apr 15 09:53:49 NCommander: what is the current status of mukluk Apr 15 09:54:03 saeed: on hold. Will look at implementing for 10.10 Apr 15 09:54:31 NCommander: does the current version partialy work? Apr 15 10:09:45 NCommander, what was the prob again with missing uboot-mkimage on certain dove installs ? Apr 15 10:10:32 NCommander, were these d-i based or live ones ? Apr 15 10:10:57 ogra: live images, sometimes blew up due to network not being present Apr 15 10:11:09 saeed: yes, but the script ot make the config file automatically is buggy Apr 15 10:11:15 NCommander, weird, i'm just looking at the redommends Apr 15 10:11:20 *recommends Apr 15 10:11:24 in ubiquity Apr 15 10:11:42 and uboot-mkimage is definately in the list so it should be inside the livefs Apr 15 10:13:34 oh Apr 15 10:13:45 it was added on Fri Mar 26 Apr 15 10:39:50 is there a link to the armel build queue somewhere? Apr 15 10:40:57 https://edge.launchpad.net/builders Apr 15 10:44:35 lool, erasing 64M is still taking more than 2min, i'll go with 16 Apr 15 11:47:27 asac, so looking at uboot-envtools ... Apr 15 11:47:41 ogra: thanks. and sorry i didnt fix it yet for you ;) Apr 15 11:47:56 asac, using make clean breaks because the quilt patches that clean up Makefile are not applied Apr 15 11:48:24 donty worry, i'm nearly done with all the omap stuff ... just needs that package Apr 15 11:51:32 asac, so, i cant easily fix up the build system without adding my completely own Makefile debian/patches has Makefile patches that need to be applied to exec anything at all but rules calls unpatch in clean Apr 15 11:51:52 i guess thats the reason for the rm commands in rules Apr 15 11:52:29 asac, laso it doesnt remove source files it seems but it removes the link Apr 15 11:57:24 asac, the missing config is caused because its actually a snipped from uboot, it would be configured during uboot build but the package here tries to be generic and thus ships only example configs Apr 15 14:16:28 hi, which is the cheapest arm-board where ubuntu can run ? Apr 15 14:17:25 ocs: beagleboard? Apr 15 14:17:51 ocs: you can get it for $150 Apr 15 14:18:02 rsalveti: are you sure there are not cheaper ones? Apr 15 14:18:40 ocs: if you want to run lucid, then I guess it's the cheaper one Apr 15 14:19:01 rsalveti: lucid <--- ? Apr 15 14:19:11 otherwise if you are happy with older releases, you can get an armv5 or armv6 board Apr 15 14:19:22 ocs: ubuntu lucid, the next release Apr 15 14:21:12 rsalveti: thanks Apr 15 14:23:01 ocs: sheevaplug is cheaper ($99), but it's armv5 Apr 15 14:23:12 ocs: you can run ubuntu 9.04 or debian Apr 15 14:23:35 or oe based distros, like angstrom Apr 15 14:25:09 rsalveti: but sheevaplug doesn't have a video connector Apr 15 14:25:13 right? Apr 15 14:26:03 ocs: yep, you're right Apr 15 14:36:23 rcn-ee, your /etc/e2fsck.conf works with mountall ? Apr 15 14:36:51 (note that mountall doesnt use e2fsck but fsck from util-linux which doesnt respect the config file) Apr 15 16:08:47 GrueMaster, did you test the d-i fix for the netinst images already ? Apr 15 16:08:56 (for dove) Apr 15 16:09:07 Yes. Netboot install now works. Apr 15 16:09:31 with the default initrd without having to fiddle with mkimage etc ? Apr 15 16:09:45 I even wrote a little netboot.scr script for it that gets pulled via bootp. Apr 15 16:10:00 sweet Apr 15 16:10:19 I used the latest images from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/lucid/main/installer-armel/20081029ubuntu98/images/dove/netboot/dove/ with out any modification. Apr 15 16:10:38 perfect, thanks Apr 15 16:11:03 I'm still trying to figure out how to use the bootp protocol to send uboot commands. Apr 15 16:11:24 But I don't think uboot supports it. Apr 15 16:13:57 probably not uboot, but kernel/initramfs should be able to read dhcp strings you send Apr 15 20:12:19 Is there a list of packages that are -not- attempted to be built on ARM? Apr 15 20:13:28 libx86 :D Apr 15 20:13:56 s390-tools :D Apr 15 20:22:54 Martyn: we have a architecture specific blacklist file yes. but dont ask me where ;) Apr 15 20:23:00 ogra: ^^ where is pas? Apr 15 20:38:09 asac: P-a-s isn't the entirety of it, really. There's also package arch: fields. Apr 15 20:38:47 persia: sure Apr 15 20:38:58 but thats not in list form ;) Apr 15 20:39:09 No, my point is that such a list doesn't exist. Apr 15 20:39:33 And I know we attempt builds of silly stuff (e.g. libx86, wine1.2). Apr 15 20:40:00 Anyway, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/packages-arch-specific/ubuntu Apr 15 20:52:33 thanks :) Apr 15 20:52:38 persia : That will do as a starting point Apr 15 20:53:56 Martyn: patches accepted for that, if you think there's something listed as not-for-ARM that should be for ARM. I had to unburden a number of packages when working on the lpia port. Apr 15 20:55:25 right now, I'll take stability over coverage Apr 15 20:55:41 smooth-stone is looking over all the packages, and building a blueprint for UDS-M Apr 15 20:56:24 we're currently looking for a way to use eucalyptus either with LXC, or completely non-virtualized Apr 15 20:58:37 That shouldn't be hard at all. Apr 15 20:58:45 Just replace eucalyptus-nc with another component. Apr 15 20:59:06 I strongly recommend chatting with kirkland or smoser in #ubuntu-server about it: they are likely to be able to share good strategies. Apr 15 20:59:28 And I know at least one of them shares your timezone, which may make that easy :) Apr 15 21:00:34 Actually, they're both there now :) Apr 15 23:35:48 I am running ARM Ubuntu on a HTC Diamond how can I upgrade to latest Apr 15 23:36:33 * persia checks specs, as this is often *not* a good idea Apr 15 23:38:26 the_eye__: According to http://www.qctconnect.com/products/msm_7201.html upgading to the latest Ubuntu will likely result in illegal instruction errors. Apr 15 23:38:44 You want to run Ubuntu 9.04 on that hardware, and *not* upgrade to any later release of Ubuntu. Apr 15 23:40:33 ok Apr 15 23:41:03 How to upgrade to 9.04 then Apr 15 23:47:22 ? Apr 15 23:50:55 WHich version are you running? Apr 15 23:51:10 Because ARM support wasn't added to Ubuntu until 9.04. Apr 15 23:51:22 (but the mojo project did have some builds) Apr 15 23:51:44 oh, i wouldn't touch those, too bit rotten.. ;) Apr 15 23:52:17 8.04 Apr 15 23:52:41 rcn-ee: I'm presuming that it's an old install, and looking for recovery to sanity. Apr 15 23:53:25 the_eye__: That's indeed likely to be a mojo build. That's not directly upgradable, because of a change to the architecture name ("arm" to "armel"). You'd have to reinstall. Apr 15 23:53:49 good point.. yeah that was hasty, it actually worked on a htc phone? Apr 15 23:54:54 I understand so I had to install the new one all the way Apr 15 23:55:08 rcn-ee: yes it works Apr 15 23:55:33 the_eye__: Unfortunately, yes. Sorry about that. Apr 15 23:55:48 the_eye__, cool.. i remember helping the mojo guys out, with first getting to run on the beagle.... Apr 15 23:55:56 the_eye__: And only install 9.04. 9.10 and newer require newer processors than that device contains. Apr 15 23:56:02 did you do a chroot install or just a debian-install? Apr 15 23:56:31 no bad feelings :) Apr 15 23:57:35 I try 9.04 then Apr 15 23:58:17 Good luck with it. Apr 15 23:58:36 rcn-ee: I installed an image from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640785&page=77 Apr 15 23:58:58 the_eye__: You may want to try to get a working 2.6.28 kernel first, as this is what 9.04 will expect. Apr 15 23:59:59 okay i see, they provided an image to dump in the sd card.. Apr 16 00:01:33 yes, and I loaded with haret, without changing my rom Apr 16 00:21:42 what is the "el" in armel? Apr 16 00:23:30 I've always thought it stood for endian-little Apr 16 00:23:39 But I could be wrong. Apr 16 00:24:31 An alternate interpretation is "EABI little-endian", which makes more sense, as compared to "endian-big" as a proper opposite. Apr 16 00:25:57 that's correct... i had to refresh my debian naming... at the time of the armel creation they left open the possibility of a 'armeb' for big-endian.. Apr 16 00:32:53 rcn-ee: armeb predates armel in Debian. Apr 16 00:34:46 yeap, that was the old abi variant.. Apr 16 00:35:36 i'm so close with rootstock, ogra's last change gets me a little farther, but it's kinda random past that... Apr 16 00:36:31 debootstrap seems to be working again for lucid. What's the blocker? Apr 16 00:38:28 right now its: http://pastebin.com/twaXDppk so far for about 8/10 runs.. but i'm also playing with the cache settings as mentioned in 532733 Apr 16 00:40:07 one of the runs about an hour ago, segfaulted after closly finishing "uboot-netbook" Apr 16 00:41:05 Ugh. That does end up being 90 random things. Apr 16 01:47:43 http://www.ifixit.com/Misc/iphone_processor_crossection.jpg Apr 16 01:47:44 nice Apr 16 01:47:52 that's a good way to describe package-on-package. Apr 16 02:09:15 "add bootloader = flash-kernel"... Apr 16 02:09:16 hmmm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010