**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 26 02:59:56 2010 Apr 26 03:04:23 ikepanhc, 你们太淡定了 Apr 26 06:18:12 * NCommander waves Apr 26 06:42:20 saeed: you aorund? Apr 26 06:42:22 *around Apr 26 06:45:53 NCommander: hey there Apr 26 06:46:12 GoodMorning All Apr 26 06:47:21 ericm: ping Apr 26 06:47:44 eggonlea, pong Apr 26 06:48:06 eggonlea, NCommander mentioned that LCD support on AV-D1 is not stable ? Apr 26 06:48:06 Have to use webchat because the previous proxy is broken. :( Apr 26 06:48:15 eggonlea, no problem Apr 26 06:48:31 what do you mean by "not stable"? Apr 26 06:48:38 NCommander, your turn Apr 26 06:48:56 NCommander, are you around? Apr 26 06:55:34 eggonlea: yup Apr 26 06:55:37 * NCommander coughs Apr 26 07:05:43 morning Apr 26 07:05:53 hrw: heya Apr 26 07:06:07 first day at new work ;D Apr 26 07:07:01 working from home i guess? Apr 26 07:14:00 Stskeeps: sure Apr 26 07:14:13 Stskeeps: I work from home for over 3 years now Apr 26 07:14:47 * Stskeeps is only up at about 5 months so far Apr 26 07:14:58 am happy i have to travel once in a while to work with real people though Apr 26 07:16:56 Luck People :( Apr 26 07:17:04 *Lucky Apr 26 07:18:41 and yesterday I changed one thing - now I have one machine with ubuntu @home Apr 26 07:18:51 wife's laptop has kubuntu 10.04-rc Apr 26 08:53:53 saeed, btw - I've fixed the hibernation issue and updated the LP bug description, please help check Apr 26 09:59:31 * ogra ponders to do a mass give-back for universe ftbfs to see if something more survives Apr 26 09:59:55 NCommander, what did you want to know about touchscreens ? Apr 26 10:01:04 and what kind of touchscreens... usb ones or i2c/spi or uart connected ones Apr 26 10:01:35 no idea, he pinged me in another channel asking to pick my brain about them Apr 26 10:51:22 ericm: good job Apr 26 10:51:50 ericm|ubuntu: can you please send me the fixed kernel deb? Apr 26 10:52:26 guys: I'm running totem with mp4 movie, the pulse audio consumes ~60% of the cpu time!!! Apr 26 11:19:04 saeed, the link is on the LP bug description Apr 26 11:19:19 saeed, that's possibly pulseaudio issue Apr 26 11:20:12 ogra: hi. i'd like to mount a ubuntu minimal FS on qemu using NFS mount. have you already tried that with the kernel you provide here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch Apr 26 11:20:49 ndec, no, NFS might be modular in that kernel, not sure ... might be that lool tried it before though Apr 26 11:21:44 ogra: how did you build the kernel? which config? i can add nfs, if I know which source and which config was used Apr 26 11:22:01 its the linux package source Apr 26 11:22:05 ogra: i am planning to use qemu to build arm packages Apr 26 11:22:20 std ubuntu 2.6.32 release kernel Apr 26 11:23:21 ogra: with the versatile_defconfig? Apr 26 11:23:38 right Apr 26 11:24:03 well, merged with the distro config, amitk should be able to tell you what to run to merge the configs Apr 26 11:24:14 there is some script iirc Apr 26 11:24:37 ericm|ubuntu: the had this issue in the past with speex, and it supposed to be fixed afair Apr 26 11:26:40 saeed, I guess that's because pulseaudio is now realtime priority (for less latency) in lucid, and could possibly eat up more CPU and become unresponsive Apr 26 11:27:36 * ericm|ubuntu 's rhythmbox crashed Apr 26 11:28:44 ndec: are you experimenting or need something that is more or less 100% reliable? you could also try to use a qemu-arm-static chroot to build packages. Apr 26 11:29:36 ndec: with that you can then later with some tweaking use a fast cross compiler/bash from host etc. Apr 26 11:30:40 asac: i don't have too much to build for now, so fast is not the biggest requirement. i just need something that works ;-) I am on travel away from my board and I want to build ARM packages Apr 26 11:31:05 ericm|ubuntu: hibernate works for me, without adding the resume= ofcourse Apr 26 11:32:18 ndec: yeah. the chroot is really simple though ... just install qemu-kvm-extras-static annd then run build-arm-chroot /path/to/chroot ... then you can just chroot /path/to/chroot and are in a arm chroot Apr 26 11:32:30 but testing our full qemu is also good ;) Apr 26 11:32:52 i think persia included qemu-arm-static support in sbuild and pbuilder Apr 26 11:33:07 that should be the easiest to cross build packages Apr 26 11:33:43 * ogra doesnt know the magic runes for that though ... i think its just sbuild --arch=armel though Apr 26 11:34:37 asac: qemu-arm-static is using syscall emulation, right? Apr 26 11:34:47 right Apr 26 11:35:11 as long as you dont plan to build anything mono related it should work fine for everything Apr 26 11:35:23 ogra: i don't know about sbuild --arch=armel Apr 26 11:35:55 ogra: I just prepare all my source packages, and using sbuild --arch=armel? is that what you use? Apr 26 11:36:10 no, i use native builds :) Apr 26 11:36:13 saeed, do you know the current hibernation implementation on dove will work with HIGHMEM (which I doubt) Apr 26 11:36:26 i rarely travel without HW in my bag ... ARM boards are so small :) Apr 26 11:37:03 haha Apr 26 11:37:23 random arm board and assorted wires in bag is something that should be a problem at airport security Apr 26 11:37:30 ...never been for me thou Apr 26 11:37:36 neither for me Apr 26 11:37:50 i always have enough ubuntu CDs with me to bribe the guys ;) Apr 26 11:38:02 and stickers ... stickers work even better ;) Apr 26 11:38:24 maybe I look innocent enough to make the security people not care what the bag x-ray looks like Apr 26 11:38:28 ogra: well right now I am away without my arm board ;-( Apr 26 11:38:49 ndec, well, an armel chroot should get you going then Apr 26 11:39:23 ndec, the reciepe asac gave you above should be fine ... "install qemu-kvm-extras-static annd then run build-arm-chroot /path/to/chroot ... then you can just chroot /path/to/chroot and are in a arm chroot" Apr 26 11:40:11 thopugh i'd recommend approx or some other package proxy running locally .... Apr 26 11:40:32 saves you bandwith if you can re-use the already downloaded packages Apr 26 11:40:49 ok. i will try that. Apr 26 11:43:52 hmm, i wonder how well ubuntuone works on my beagle Apr 26 11:44:25 oh, it causes a firefox race Apr 26 11:44:53 "firefox is already running, please close the running firefox process first" Apr 26 11:44:55 blah Apr 26 11:45:14 clikcing OK brings up firefox with my ubuntuone account :P Apr 26 12:07:09 ogra, so, you're aware of rootstock hangs? Apr 26 12:07:34 I seem to be getting segfaults instead of hangs now Apr 26 12:08:09 yes, as i mentioned in bug 532733 Apr 26 12:08:11 Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733 Apr 26 12:08:27 has nothing to do with rootstock but with qemu Apr 26 12:09:34 * XorA found with gcc 4.5 and glibc 2.10.1 there is at least one TLS bug with qemu that causes a hang Apr 26 12:09:53 I grabbed two patches to fix it from master git Apr 26 12:09:58 its gcc 4.4 though Apr 26 12:10:08 but I dont know if thats the same bug you guys are seeing or not Apr 26 12:10:10 and we use eglibc Apr 26 12:10:24 ogra: which means your probably using an equiv glibc then Apr 26 12:10:35 eglibc basically being glibc-next Apr 26 12:10:48 oh, didn't see that Apr 26 12:11:46 http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu.git?a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=cp15 top two commits on that search Apr 26 12:12:01 ogra, sorry, hadn't checked my email yet doay Apr 26 12:12:11 * cwillu_at_work reruns the test Apr 26 12:20:25 ha Apr 26 12:20:28 finally Apr 26 12:20:47 * ogra listens to his ubuntuone musicstore music on the beagle Apr 26 14:47:08 ogra: do we support using tslib out of the box and blacklisting evtouch, or is it only evtouch we support? Apr 26 14:58:01 evtouch doesnt need to be blacklisted Apr 26 14:58:14 its not installed unless you tell it to Apr 26 14:58:30 tslib might conflict with usbtouchscreen kernel side though Apr 26 14:58:57 since all touchscreen support is supposed to be handled by that now Apr 26 14:59:07 oh.. I missed talks Apr 26 15:01:29 ogra: it isn't, its being loaded automatically on a touchscreen device Apr 26 15:01:50 evtouch ? Apr 26 15:02:01 ogra: yeah, at least on ARM Apr 26 15:02:02 we neverf install it by default Apr 26 15:02:17 its not even in main to my knowledge Apr 26 15:02:49 ogra: odd. It is on a ubuntu-netbook image out of the box Apr 26 15:03:05 surely not Apr 26 15:03:25 apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch|grep Filename Apr 26 15:03:25 Filename: pool/universe/x/xf86-input-evtouch/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch_0.8.8-3build1_i386.deb Apr 26 15:03:44 unless we build from universe which would very much surprise me Apr 26 15:03:44 dpkg -l | grep touch Apr 26 15:03:44 ii libts-0.0-0 1.0-7build1 touch screen library Apr 26 15:03:44 ii tsconf 1.0-7build1 touch screen library common files Apr 26 15:03:52 its not there Apr 26 15:04:05 XorA, yes, i know :) Apr 26 15:04:17 but NCommander doesnt Apr 26 15:04:25 ogra: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-5ubuntu1 Apr 26 15:04:32 ogra: sorry, my brain went tothe wrong place Apr 26 15:04:35 evdev != evtouch Apr 26 15:04:46 ogra: I'm not caffinated yet; I just got up ;-) Apr 26 15:05:06 so evdev is loaded for your touchscreen ? Apr 26 15:05:14 ogra: the reason I ask is that the touchscreen on the avenger is causing evdev to segfault, but tslib. I was wondering if there was a way we could blacklist evdev until it can be fixed Apr 26 15:05:46 and when evdev segfaults, it takes the entire X stack with it Apr 26 15:05:59 well, i guess you have to do that on a kernel/udev level Apr 26 15:06:29 NCommander: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578053 Apr 26 15:06:31 Debian bug 578053 in xserver-xorg-input-tslib "xserver-xorg-input-tslib: consider xorg.conf.d instead of udev rule" [Serious,Fixed] Apr 26 15:06:56 and make sure that evdev either doesnt consider the device an input device or make sure the kernel exports the right stuff to make evdev actually recognize a touchscreen device Apr 26 15:07:11 zumbi, that wont prevent evdev Apr 26 15:07:51 ogra_cmpc: i dunno about ubuntu, but debian is moving xorg out of udev Apr 26 15:08:04 zumbi, i doubt that Apr 26 15:08:10 which seems that it causing the segfault Apr 26 15:08:11 upstream mives into udev Apr 26 15:08:18 *moves Apr 26 15:08:28 it only just started with the recent release Apr 26 15:08:48 everything should be handled by kernel or udev Apr 26 15:09:04 ogra_cmpc: true, sorry i was misleading Apr 26 15:09:05 with the option to use xorg.conf.d snippets for overriding buggy settings Apr 26 15:10:14 the question is if the snippet kicks in before evdev probes or not Apr 26 15:10:16 ogra_cmpc: read Julien Cristau on the bug report Apr 26 15:10:54 and the actual bug is that the kernel doesnt export the proper constraints for the device so evdev can handle it as touchscreen Apr 26 15:13:11 zumbi, yes, i see that, still its a kernel bug Apr 26 15:13:53 using udev rules or xorg.conf.d snippets are both workarounds Apr 26 15:18:37 ogra_cmpc: thanks, let me know if you make any progress (that needs to be incorporated to debian xf86-input-tslib package) Apr 26 18:02:44 ndec: the config is in the source tree, the git tree, or more easily in the .deb; the /boot/config-foo file has the config Apr 26 18:13:23 ojn : You in? Apr 26 18:13:37 (and are you in Austin at the moment?) Apr 26 18:29:28 Martyn: In CA until friday night Apr 26 18:30:46 thanks :) Apr 26 18:36:38 Hi, can I use bb files without haveing internet connection on my Beagleboard? Apr 26 18:42:44 ogra_cmpc: mk-sbuild or pbuilder-dist take --arch : pbuilder and sbuild don't. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 27 02:59:57 2010