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Apr 27 06:17:56 <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, ping
Apr 27 06:18:31 <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: hi
Apr 27 07:13:13 <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: please check the u-boot under https://marvell.wiki.canonical.com/UploadedFiles?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Dove_UBoot_4_4_2_Full_Release_NQ.zip
Apr 27 12:23:11 <hrw> http://hrw.pastebin.com/GdyhNPbt - beagleboard c3 with hub on otg
Apr 27 12:23:57 <persia> Is that really a 7 minute boot?
Apr 27 12:24:38 <hrw> [    0.000000] Registering NAND on CS0
Apr 27 12:24:38 <hrw> [  345.080596] OMAP DMA hardware revision 4.0
Apr 27 12:24:39 <hrw> nope
Apr 27 12:25:03 <persia> Where's the first 5 minutes of time come from?
Apr 27 12:26:00 <hrw> waiting in uboot
Apr 27 12:26:07 <hrw> probably
Apr 27 12:26:20 <persia> ouch!
Apr 27 12:26:44 <persia> Or did you have to do something manually in uboot (it's less painful if waiting on us slow humans)
Apr 27 12:27:17 <hrw> I took card out, wrote lucid on it, pasted content of boot.scr+serial into uboot and booted
Apr 27 12:29:08 <persia> Ah, OK.  Yeah, I can see how that takes 300 seconds :)
Apr 27 12:30:08 <hrw> writing card was 242s
Apr 27 14:12:46 <ogra> persia our shepherd :)
Apr 27 14:13:08 * persia has accepted certain responsibilities as a side effect of being allowed in the #ubuntu-ops channel
Apr 27 14:13:15 <ogra> anyway /me needs a break ... back soon
Apr 27 14:16:55 <hrw> shepherd... for me it is sharp zaurus c750 ;D
Apr 27 14:25:56 <persia> Indeed.
Apr 27 14:26:28 <hrw> but c7x0 are not ubuntu targets - armv5te
Apr 27 14:28:46 <persia> Omegamoon got Jaunty working, but yeah, these days I recommend installing Debian on those.
Apr 27 14:28:58 <persia> Well, maybe not on a 750 :)
Apr 27 14:36:23 <hrw> 750 is enough as long as you have rootfs on sd
Apr 27 14:36:25 <hrw> hi prpplague
Apr 27 14:38:51 <prpplague> hrw: hey bud
Apr 27 14:38:56 <prpplague> davidm: ping
Apr 27 14:39:12 <davidm> prpplague, hello, I'm sort of here
Apr 27 14:39:20 <davidm> traveling again
Apr 27 14:39:51 <prpplague> davidm: ahh np, i wanted to get some feedback from you when you have some time
Apr 27 14:40:38 <davidm> if I can, also I have a question for you, the TinCan Tools Beagle board parts.  Are the Ethernet parts stable?
Apr 27 14:40:39 <prpplague> davidm: give me a shout when you'd have about 20 minutes or so
Apr 27 14:41:05 <prpplague> davidm: stable in what way? software, hardware, availibility?
Apr 27 14:41:44 <davidm> stable in terms of the 10/100 part working solidly and not causing kernel panics or losing connectivity?
Apr 27 14:42:04 <davidm> Might have some folks buying some
Apr 27 14:42:38 <prpplague> davidm: i have not heard of any issues, the micrel folks have run a number of tests on the zippy2 and we've run iperf and burning tests
Apr 27 14:43:02 <prpplague> davidm: we've sold about 400 zippy2 boards and i've not had any negative feedback
Apr 27 14:43:16 <davidm> prpplague, thanks, I'll pass that on
Apr 27 14:43:21 <prpplague> davidm: you can purchase the zippy2's via digikey as well
Apr 27 14:43:41 <prpplague> davidm: you were at the Nice meeting right?
Apr 27 14:43:42 <davidm> prpplague, cool, thanks
Apr 27 14:43:45 <davidm> Yes
Apr 27 14:43:58 <davidm> I was indeed
Apr 27 14:44:59 <cwillu_at_work> what does the rtc with battery do?  is it just supplying the battery to the tps, or is it a different device?
Apr 27 14:45:03 <cwillu_at_work> on the zipp2
Apr 27 14:45:28 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: seperate RTC device connected via i2c
Apr 27 14:46:26 <cwillu_at_work> ... why?
Apr 27 14:46:54 <persia> prpplague: Does it have a battery?
Apr 27 14:47:04 * persia reads again
Apr 27 14:47:15 <cwillu_at_work> I guess it's a replaceable battery as opposed to the one you have to solder onto the beagle
Apr 27 14:47:18 <persia> Hurray!  It doesn't fail to boot with the current filesystems :)
Apr 27 14:47:19 <prpplague> persia: yes
Apr 27 14:47:22 <cwillu_at_work> but if you're soldering things on anyway
Apr 27 14:48:36 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ??
Apr 27 14:48:49 <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, to put the expansion header onto the beagle
Apr 27 14:48:54 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ahh indeed
Apr 27 14:53:16 <cwillu_at_work> main difference between zippy and zippy2 is the 100mbit?
Apr 27 14:57:59 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea
Apr 27 14:58:15 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: the zippy uses the enc28j60 from microchip and the zippy2 uses a micrel part
Apr 27 15:01:16 * cwillu_at_work considers possibilities
Apr 27 15:01:39 <cwillu_at_work> possibilities such as btrfs raid across two mmc cards :p
Apr 27 15:03:11 <prpplague> sata seems to be an item i am getting alot of requests for
Apr 27 15:04:02 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we also have the trainer board if you are into hacking hardware - http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
Apr 27 15:23:15 <cwillu_at_work> sata would be nice, although I don't have much use for it myself
Apr 27 15:27:46 <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, is it sensitive to the length of the connection?  I.e., could I run a two inch ribbon cable between beagle and zippy2?
Apr 27 15:27:56 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea you could
Apr 27 15:28:06 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: or even use some right angle connectors
Apr 27 15:28:14 <cwillu_at_work> hmm, I guess, ya
Apr 27 15:28:52 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: no more than about 6 to 8 inches
Apr 27 15:30:35 <hrw> prpplague: can zippy2 and trainer be stacked on one bb?
Apr 27 15:30:51 <prpplague> hrw: not currently
Apr 27 15:31:11 <prpplague> hrw: we are looking at doing a board so you can mount them side by side
Apr 27 15:58:28 <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, too bad the connector is already soldered onto the zippy2
Apr 27 15:59:14 <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, specifically, keeping the right-angle connectors on top would recover significant vertical clearance
Apr 27 16:38:46 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we have a small right angle pcb we use inhouse for some testing
Apr 27 16:38:58 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we had considered making it available on the web site
Apr 27 16:39:25 <cwillu_at_work> I don't follow
Apr 27 16:39:57 <cwillu_at_work> like _||__[]_ ?
Apr 27 16:41:16 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea
Apr 27 16:41:39 <cwillu_at_work> okay, you missed my point :)
Apr 27 16:41:59 <cwillu_at_work> I want the connectors on the populated sides of both boards, so that I can have them sitting lower in their cases :)
Apr 27 16:43:49 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ahh
Apr 27 16:43:53 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: i follow
Apr 27 16:44:12 <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: that could be done with a small board
Apr 27 16:46:15 <Vazz> hello, i've got a question: how to build rootfs of debian squeeze from scratch if I've got fedora 12 on my desktop now?
Apr 27 16:46:38 <cwillu_at_work> Vazz, debootstrap is meant to do that
Apr 27 16:46:57 <cwillu_at_work> rootstock is basically a wrapper around it to make things easier
Apr 27 16:47:20 <ogra> rootstock wont work on fedora
Apr 27 16:47:33 <cwillu_at_work> it will with the right things in the right places
Apr 27 16:47:34 <persia> debootstrap will.
Apr 27 16:47:38 <ogra> it has dependencies fedora wont fulfill
Apr 27 16:47:57 <Vazz> so only debootstrap method?
Apr 27 16:48:04 <ogra> right, rather take the harder part and use debootstrap
Apr 27 16:48:28 <Vazz> yum install debootstrap? : D
Apr 27 16:48:28 <ogra> its less work to bring up on fedora but more work setting up the system afterwards
Apr 27 16:52:28 <Vazz> hmm i think there's no script for squeeze in debootstrap
Apr 27 16:55:47 <Vazz> can i install squeeze with it?
Apr 27 16:57:23 <prpplague> orbarron: has nicolas been over by your desk already?
Apr 27 16:58:11 <orbarron> prpplague: not yet but should stop by later today...
Apr 27 16:58:27 <prpplague> orbarron: let me know if he stops over there
Apr 27 17:14:55 <Vazz> i've downloaded new version of debootstrap from webpage, it downloaded packages...then W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/arek/d_db mount -t proc proc /proc
Apr 27 17:15:07 <Vazz> any advices?
Apr 27 17:20:22 <cwillu_at_work> you'll have to --foreign --arch-armel
Apr 27 17:20:50 <cwillu_at_work> otherwise it'll try to use arm binaries to install the system on your very-much-not-an-arm system
Apr 27 17:21:06 <cwillu_at_work> then on first boot you'll do a debootstrap --second-stage
Apr 27 17:21:27 <Vazz> thx
Apr 27 17:23:37 <Vazz> so now i have to boot it on my arm devce and debootstrap --second-strage?
Apr 27 17:24:07 <cwillu_at_work> yes;  probably/may need to boot it with an explicit init=/bin/bash
Apr 27 17:33:58 <Vazz> "debug rootdelay=2 init=/bin/bash root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 fbcon=rotate:1 mem=64M@0xa0000000 mem=64M@0xb0000000"
Apr 27 17:34:18 <Vazz> thats part of my startup.txt
Apr 27 17:34:46 <Vazz> and it's saying that 'unable to open initial console' then kernel panic
Apr 27 17:41:08 <cwillu_at_work> use "rootwait" instead of "rootdelay=2"; try dropping the fbcon bit, not sure why you'd need that
Apr 27 17:41:33 <cwillu_at_work> might need to specify "console=ttyS2,115200n8" or somesuch
Apr 27 17:42:39 <Vazz> fbcon rotates my screen : )
Apr 27 17:42:55 <cwillu_at_work> what hardware is this on?
Apr 27 17:43:16 <Vazz> toshiba g900
Apr 27 17:43:48 <cwillu_at_work> can't help you there then :p
Apr 27 17:44:12 <cwillu_at_work> but you'll probably have to muck with the console
Apr 27 17:44:31 <Vazz> : /
Apr 27 17:47:00 <Vazz> with rootwait same thing like before
Apr 27 17:47:13 <cwillu_at_work> yes, that's just a "doing the right thing" thing, not to fix your problem
Apr 27 17:47:30 <cwillu_at_work> rootdelay=2 is a hack, rootwait is the fix
Apr 27 17:50:52 <Vazz> hmm
Apr 27 17:51:03 <cwillu_at_work> and neither is related to your current problem :p
Apr 27 17:52:34 <Vazz> thats not good :D
Apr 27 20:01:11 <inhand1> In trying to run Ubuntu ARM NetInstall on a BeagleBoard, USB does not seem to be working. Neither OTG nor HOST. Without mouse or keyboard, it is a little tough to click the OK button. Is this a bug in the kernel?
Apr 27 20:02:23 * sveinse is wondering if Beagleboard has the TI feature in which it requires a HUB to do USB1.1...
Apr 27 20:02:52 <sveinse> Try connecting via a HUB and see if you get kbd+mouse then
Apr 27 20:03:11 <sveinse> I don't know id that's the case, but I'd give it a go
Apr 27 20:03:35 <inhand1> I am using a powered hub.
Apr 27 20:04:44 <sveinse> inhand1: Sorry then, I don't know. Best of luck
Apr 27 20:05:38 <sveinse> Uhm. Do you know if the HUB is 1.1 or 2.0?
Apr 27 20:05:55 <inhand1> it is 2.0
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Apr 28 02:43:55 <DanaG>   * Add a new 'fixrtc' script that tries to set the system clock forward based on the last mount time of the root disk; without this kludge, systems without a working RTC will end up in a perpetual reboot loop. Thanks to Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com> for the patch.  LP: #563618.
Apr 28 02:43:57 <DanaG> nice
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