**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:59:58 2010 May 17 04:09:43 argh, stupid featureless ubuntu google page. May 17 06:58:46 hi all May 17 06:59:30 anybody there?? May 17 07:12:19 morning May 17 07:30:06 Hi all, Alexandros here May 17 07:41:24 alf__: Hey!! May 17 07:41:29 alf__: I was just speaking of you May 17 07:41:39 lool: Good morning! May 17 07:52:54 ogra, morning :-) May 17 07:53:44 ogra, when does casper/ubiquity start swap on live installers? May 17 08:05:30 damnit, im stuck in Amsterdam May 17 08:05:42 could be worse places May 17 08:05:58 perhaps, but i really need to get back home May 17 08:06:18 and its not like the hotel the airline put me in is in the centrum May 17 08:06:50 ( they stuck me at the ibis hotel near Schipol ) May 17 08:07:33 Martyn: stop cribbing and take the tour to Kuekenhof (sp?) May 17 08:07:56 amitk : ?cribbing. May 17 08:08:40 vanila 4.4.3/4.4.4 should be ok as arm cross-toolchain? May 17 08:09:10 Martyn: as in "being cramped up" :) May 17 08:09:14 ah May 17 08:09:25 thats actually pretty accurate May 17 08:09:47 im stuck with my luggage i hand until they can check me in at 13:00 May 17 08:14:55 time to camp out in the bar then May 17 08:22:22 okay May 17 08:22:36 * zyga connects serial adapter to his laptop May 17 08:22:44 ho May 17 08:23:38 asac: Good morning! May 17 08:25:14 each day I discover yet another set of packages which I need to install on lucek May 17 08:25:41 lucek == x86-64 laptop running lucid May 17 08:25:46 what's wrong with that? May 17 08:26:46 alf__: hey May 17 08:26:57 amitk: nothing - got too used to my main desktop which was installed years ago May 17 08:27:25 asac, okay, I'm hooked via serial now, the crash does not happen after plain boot + reboot May 17 08:27:39 asac, I'll try removing/attaching USB devices to see if I can trigger the bug May 17 08:28:14 (offtopic) does anyone know a small (10+) LCD with HDMI/DVI input? May 17 08:28:26 hmm May 17 08:29:40 zyga: you know that it can be more expensive then 24" one? May 17 08:30:08 hrw, yes, but having a 27" monitor attached to a BB feels like a waste to me ;) May 17 08:30:22 zyga: For beagleboard, I use the HDMI input of my dell 24", I press the button to switch between the input connectors May 17 08:30:23 heh May 17 08:30:24 zyga: so buy 19" May 17 08:30:44 hrw: aah, I see. Reinstall pains :) I've got a script that I keep adding all new must-have packages too. Helps recover my working environment rather quickly. May 17 08:31:08 http://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/BeagleLCD2.htm May 17 08:31:22 amitk: I could do "dpkg -l" on desktop and try to get it on laptop. but thats will grab lot of stuff which my laptop does not need May 17 08:31:43 hrw: dpkg --get-selections May 17 08:31:54 hrw: Restore with dpkg --set-selections May 17 08:32:00 anyway I installed most of needed now. pmount, mc and other 'archaic, should be forgotten' [(c) by zyga] tools May 17 08:32:09 zyga: We will eventually have LCDs too May 17 08:32:12 asac, shiny! May 17 08:32:15 "mc /#sh:hrw@homel.local:/" roxx May 17 08:32:16 pmount, argh May 17 08:32:30 :D May 17 08:32:49 asac: you rather want Showdog with 7" wvga screen then wqvga crap May 17 08:32:50 I almost wrote "pmount, mc, argh", but I dont have a good mc replacement :-) May 17 08:32:52 hrw, not necessarily forgotten May 17 08:33:12 hrw, but yes, they should go away :D May 17 08:37:50 asac, is there any way to get syslog on the serial line in our 10.04 install images? May 17 08:38:04 zyga: live image? May 17 08:38:12 asac, yeah May 17 08:38:46 zyga: you need to add the console=ttyS2 or something as well as serialtty=ttyS2 to the cmdline May 17 08:39:26 asac, in the boot loader, right? May 17 08:39:27 serialtty= is the hook to tell casper to create a login ttyS2.conf May 17 08:39:43 zyga: yeah in the boot.scr May 17 08:39:47 zyga: serialtty=ttyS2, console=ttyS2,115200n8 to kernel cmdline May 17 08:39:49 so in the sd script May 17 08:40:04 asac, roger, thanks May 17 08:43:33 amitk, it's in the script already May 17 08:43:34 ogra_cmpc: do we have a wiki page for all the qemu static chroot somewhere? May 17 08:44:00 like how to setup a dev env if you want to work on stuff on arm? May 17 08:46:16 alf__: maybe starting with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildArmPackages is goodish May 17 08:46:29 alf__: however, seems its not telling about the build-arm-chroot etc. parts May 17 08:47:08 alf__: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch/QemuDebootstrap May 17 08:47:35 asac: Great, I'll take a look as soon as I setup my canonical account May 17 08:47:51 alf__: kk May 17 08:53:53 alf__: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QemuNetInstall might be interesting to try May 17 09:00:03 amitk: For the beagle issues with lucid's omap kernel, I think we should point people at a) mainline builds of 2.6.35 and b) we could provide linux-omap tip "pristine" builds as well, what do you think? May 17 09:00:59 lool: there is no 2.6.35 yet, but certainly 2.6.34 yes. May 17 09:01:17 alf__: sbuild/schroot can be useful too May 17 09:01:44 maverick omap-ti branch would be nice to have May 17 09:02:11 lool: it should be a matter of a few days (or weeks) before we have a ubuntu omap3 kernel based on 2.6.34 for maverick. May 17 09:02:23 hrw: ^ May 17 09:02:28 nice May 17 09:03:20 hope that TI will give maverick kernel for pandaboard when they will ship it. May 17 09:04:24 hrw: that is going to happen too, but it will be a lucid based kernel on 2.6.33. But they will provide us with a rebase of that patchset to 2.6.35 for maverick May 17 09:04:33 cool May 17 09:05:15 So folks, keep your saved gobby documents May 17 09:05:30 We had a crash on Thursday which reverted us to Tuesday, so a bunch of docs are gone May 17 09:05:42 :-( May 17 09:06:01 shit May 17 09:07:04 I wish I'd have had the time to read LWN before UDS, there were good writeups on gcc 4.5 and pm_qos May 17 09:07:15 well gcc-4.5 was last thursday only May 17 09:07:21 yeah gcc 4.5 looks nice on paper May 17 09:07:40 and getting Angstrom going on it was unexpectedly easy May 17 09:07:53 just the old u-boots TI uses causing me issues May 17 09:08:39 asac: Hi, do you still have the gobby notes from the arm-m-memory-footprint session? May 17 09:09:05 XorA: no issues with armv[45] targets? May 17 09:09:24 JaMa: I have no viable ones I can be arsed taking from box May 17 09:09:38 dmart: if i was in that session I have them (most likely), but unfortunately on my netbook, which i stupidily forgot at my other home. did you check and that document is gone? May 17 09:09:43 XorA: with OE version of 4.5.0 I have oops while booting kernel and from chroot lot of segfaults all over image May 17 09:10:12 check whether the segfaults are in thumb1 code May 17 09:10:35 we had a lot of issues with thumb1 to the point I turned it off again May 17 09:10:47 asac: The server nuked about 2/3 of the arm track docs during that session. I have copies of almost all of them, but not that session (I have the actions though) May 17 09:10:52 already talked with khem about it, not enough time to test it properly (yet) May 17 09:12:02 dmart: hmm. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMMemoryFootprint May 17 09:12:07 i think i might have posted them there May 17 09:12:39 dmart: yeah ;) May 17 09:12:41 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMMemoryFootprint?action=diff&rev2=4&rev1=3 May 17 09:12:53 asac: That looks like the discussion. OK, cool, thanks May 17 09:12:55 there i posted it and now i remember that i posted that after the session May 17 09:13:02 so should have all May 17 09:13:07 zyga, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleEditBootscr for the serial console May 17 09:13:30 dmart: Could you push your docs to some place, or the wiki? May 17 09:14:07 What would be the best place? May 17 09:14:09 lool: so just in case some of us use gobby elsewhere, was it gobby that crashed and lost data or the server? May 17 09:14:09 zyga, scripts/casper-bottom/13swap for swap May 17 09:14:19 dmart: Any public place where people can grab it May 17 09:14:35 dmart: If you want, I can push them to people.ubuntu.com/~lool if you send then to me May 17 09:15:04 XorA: Yes May 17 09:15:16 The server May 17 09:15:21 XorA: it has an autosave to bzr feature, but apparently this feature also bugged and reverted to an earlier bzr version May 17 09:15:34 lool: cheers thanks May 17 09:17:13 ogra: But the SD card download for lucid omap has no swap, right? May 17 09:17:35 lool, it uses existing swap on target devices, it doesnt use compcache May 17 09:17:51 so if there is nothing on the target it doesnt use any swap May 17 09:17:59 ogra: if you boot the pristine SD card image on an otherwise empty SD card and nothing else plugged, there is no swap May 17 09:18:01 until the partitioing step May 17 09:18:08 right May 17 09:18:10 It would be good to have a swap area in the image itself May 17 09:18:12 or create one on boot May 17 09:18:23 e.g. have sdN2 or sdN3 be a swap partition May 17 09:18:24 i'm not sure you want that in SD May 17 09:18:38 better have it in SD during install than not having it and the install failing May 17 09:18:46 ogra: is there a master page that links together all the arm-related wiki pages? May 17 09:18:47 why should the install fail ? May 17 09:18:54 ogra: it fails May 17 09:18:58 amitk, only per board May 17 09:18:59 ogra: no memory May 17 09:19:08 amitk: Yeah, google.com/search?q=site:wiki.ubuntu.com+arm ;-) May 17 09:19:15 zyga, err May 17 09:19:16 ogra: not each time, it depends on what you do .... anyway - lool is right May 17 09:19:17 zyga: oh atm you need ubiquity-only as boot flag too. May 17 09:19:24 zyga, we tested that plenty of times May 17 09:19:33 ogra: he is using full live image May 17 09:19:38 asac, isn't that the default now? May 17 09:19:41 zyga, what exactly do you do to make it fail ? May 17 09:19:50 zyga, no ! May 17 09:19:53 zyga: for us atm yes. but thats because it was not decided what we want to ship May 17 09:20:03 asac, I see May 17 09:20:09 the full live image will OOM May 17 09:20:29 ogra: I'm not sure what caused OOM on my BB, I was not running anything extra, I remember watching the log files after it failed May 17 09:20:31 zyga: try adding ubiquity-only to cmdline too ... that would allow you to do an install May 17 09:20:32 thats why we defualt to use the only-ubiquity mode May 17 09:20:38 ah May 17 09:20:43 only-ubiquity it is then ;) May 17 09:20:47 yeah :) May 17 09:21:27 asac, to the part of the sd card script that writes to boot.cmd? May 17 09:21:48 yep May 17 09:22:02 thats a kernel command line hack May 17 09:22:26 asac, but your image doesn't do ubiquity at all, ubiquity is on the 10.04 live image May 17 09:22:33 i'll have installer-less images ready within the next two weeks in maverick May 17 09:22:49 zyga: oh ... i didnt add that? May 17 09:23:00 one sec May 17 09:23:25 asac, the image you released is just 'hey, I'm ready' image with barebones ubuntu and kernel May 17 09:23:30 asac, you didn't even have dbus :-) May 17 09:27:22 amitk, oh, i just remembered ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes has links to all three arches May 17 09:27:52 ogra: cool, thanks May 17 09:28:11 zyga: oh yeah. that one doesnt have an installer on it. May 17 09:29:28 hrm, persia could it be that you kept my displaylink card ? May 17 09:30:14 * ogra vaguely remembers giving it to you one evening May 17 09:34:21 dmart: http://people.canonical.com/~lool/dmart-uds-m-notes/ May 17 09:34:52 thanks May 17 09:38:18 ack May 17 09:38:43 got knocked offline... too many people trying to use the wireless while stranded May 17 09:39:51 ogra, did you get my note? May 17 09:40:25 Martyn, about the serial, cable ? yeah, keep it until next UDS i'll just buy a new one May 17 09:40:47 lool: You can delete arm-m-uboot-features-and-performance_extra.txt - that's not so intelliigible to other people, since it was just a note to myself to get involved in Grant's boot requirements activity ;) May 17 09:40:52 i need one this week, it would just delay me May 17 09:43:02 dmart: done May 17 09:43:10 * lool goes afk for 40 minutes or so May 17 09:43:35 ogra : heh, im still stuck in Amsterdam May 17 09:44:45 lool: thanks :) May 17 09:45:13 meanwhile, I've got the kernel source open and am starting to figure out my first smooth-stone patch for 2.6.35 merge window May 17 09:45:30 Martyn: too much coffee shopping? :-) May 17 09:45:39 zumbi : volcano May 17 09:46:18 yes, i heard that this morning. London airport was closed, but open it up again this morning May 17 09:46:28 schipol is closed May 17 09:46:34 and my flight was cancelled May 17 09:46:45 Martyn: where you need to travel? May 17 09:46:48 so they might be reopening it after 3pm, but thats too late May 17 09:47:00 well, enjoy amsterdam :) May 17 09:47:23 hrw : Austin, TX May 17 09:48:17 Martyn: hardcore proposal: check Rome/Italy ashtag status May 17 09:48:26 ooof May 17 09:48:42 United already retick me for tomorrow flight at same time May 17 09:48:59 I remember how one of nokia managers returned from SF to HEL though NYC, Rome May 17 09:49:13 flight remained grounded at Schipol, so capacity is guaranteed May 17 09:50:41 lool: arm-m-image-building Gobby session restored May 17 09:50:51 awesome May 17 09:51:05 did we lose any otherr arm-m sessions in gobby? May 17 09:51:31 Martyn: Most actually, but dmart saved a bunch May 17 09:51:47 hrw: Could you compare with the page I mentionned earlier and if yours is newer send it to me? May 17 09:51:52 what was the glitch? May 17 09:51:53 I'll collect the text saves May 17 09:51:58 lool: sure May 17 09:52:08 Martyn: sobby crashing as usual, but this time autosave also f*cked up May 17 09:52:21 ah. May 17 09:52:28 brb May 17 09:53:22 asac, do you remember who took the notes in the arm-une session ? seems they are gone as well and there were a bunch of action items for the DX team in them May 17 09:53:48 ogra: i should have them ... but not before Thu :( May 17 09:54:00 lool: mine has one action more May 17 09:54:02 alf__: did you safe by any chance safe notes ;)? May 17 09:54:07 err gobby docs? May 17 09:54:07 thats fine, no hurry ... as long as we have them at all May 17 09:54:11 lool: "* Determine how image build configs should be delivered to the building service" May 17 09:55:12 asac: The only notes I saved are for arm-m-ui-test-heads May 17 09:55:41 kk May 17 09:55:51 Martyn: I tried to save most of the arm-m-* notes: lool posted them here http://people.canonical.com/~lool/dmart-uds-m-notes/ May 17 09:55:58 * asac looks May 17 09:56:11 nice May 17 09:56:35 ogra: that une session isnt in there? May 17 09:56:47 * ogra hugs dmart for saving http://people.canonical.com/~lool/dmart-uds-m-notes/arm-m-2d-launcher.txt May 17 09:56:48 2d-launcher? May 17 09:56:52 asac, indeed it is :) May 17 09:57:25 * asac hugs dmart too ;) May 17 09:57:38 - Proposed change to the boot process: May 17 09:57:38 - Upon reboot after fist install, ... May 17 09:57:50 that, ummm, sounds really wrong :) May 17 09:58:11 yeah May 17 09:58:13 Not my typos :P May 17 09:58:23 I'm just a bot May 17 09:58:25 heh May 17 09:58:37 thats fine, even without typo its wrong though i think May 17 09:58:43 asac, oh, btw i run unity on my ultra underpowered classmate here ... May 17 09:58:46 on first boot ... May 17 09:58:56 ogra: how is it going? May 17 09:59:02 512M (600MHz celeron without L2) May 17 09:59:21 it uses ~100M in htop and feels quite snappy May 17 09:59:30 ogra: but that has good driver May 17 09:59:31 ? May 17 09:59:35 indeed May 17 09:59:43 i915 card May 17 09:59:53 full GL etc. yeah. thats expected then May 17 09:59:59 but with that card it runs even snappier than efl May 17 10:00:16 try vesa ;) May 17 10:00:18 the normal netbook launcher wasnt usable on that H_W May 17 10:00:23 and compare May 17 10:00:33 nah, i know its screwed up May 17 10:00:36 heh May 17 10:00:45 you never know ;) May 17 10:00:52 but unity is the fastest thing i have ever used on it as of yet May 17 10:00:53 maybe soft accell is rocking fast May 17 10:01:09 not without L2 cache in your CPU :) May 17 10:01:20 good to know May 17 10:01:23 (it literally has zero L2) May 17 10:01:30 and 16k L1 May 17 10:01:40 blog about it ;) May 17 10:01:41 its the worst CPU i have May 17 10:01:45 nah, cant May 17 10:01:55 its a pre-production device that was never released May 17 10:02:02 i cant blog about it May 17 10:02:11 but you can talk here? ;) May 17 10:02:12 but its great for comparison tests May 17 10:02:24 sure :) May 17 10:02:25 how about the classmate 1 ;)? May 17 10:02:36 only has 256M May 17 10:02:41 ogra: want Vortex86sx powered device? May 17 10:02:48 and the same CPU May 17 10:03:00 ogra: if it is snappy you can blog about it ;) May 17 10:03:08 hrw, haha, nah, thanks ... May 17 10:03:19 ogra: x86 with 486sx core, 300MHz, 128MB of ddr2/133 memory - even avr32 and 200MHz arm920t beats it May 17 10:03:30 yeah, i'D guess so May 17 10:03:54 and indeed i lied i have a ton of thin clients here that are lower powered but i dont touch them anymore May 17 10:04:19 eh old x86 hw... May 17 10:04:26 the classmate is my living room device though May 17 10:04:53 i use it if i watch TV and dont get annoyed if a page takes 5 min to load May 17 10:05:30 with unity though it *doesnt* take 5min anymore seems its not hitting swap all the time May 17 10:06:31 * amitk breaks for lunch May 17 10:43:49 ogra: where is ubuntu ti kernel git tree? May 17 10:45:12 arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.4.1 May 17 10:48:08 ALL: please email me any updates to the arm-m- sessions May 17 10:52:56 * lool lunch & May 17 11:01:23 hrw: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=summary May 17 11:01:26 ti-omap branch May 17 11:02:08 gracias May 17 11:02:43 G 15 May 17 11:04:31 amitk: cloning now May 17 11:18:46 heh.. I managed to forget how I do not like ubuntu kernel build process ;( May 17 11:18:50 hi jkridner May 17 11:24:46 hrw: Would you have some time to discuss cross-compilers? May 17 11:27:49 sure May 17 11:28:31 * zumbi arround May 17 11:31:39 hrw: So I think you should start by building a cross-compiler the emdebian way to get familiar with the current process and understand the shortcomings May 17 11:32:16 I have some notes on this stuff May 17 11:32:31 ok May 17 11:32:54 hrw: i have been doing such work, so feel free to contact me May 17 11:33:02 zumbi: ok May 17 11:33:17 hrw: Sent May 17 11:33:34 zumbi: So the gcc-4.5 packages are -sysroot ready -- doko told us at USD May 17 11:33:34 zumbi: I am familiar with crosscompilers (did first in 1998/99) but not in debian way for them May 17 11:33:35 UDS May 17 11:34:05 hrw: Check the email I sent you, read the slides and see the commands, should give you a rough overview, shout if you miss any step or can't make sense of it (it is rough) May 17 11:34:14 hrw: sure, i do not know everything either ;-) May 17 11:34:53 hrw: i keep a wiki page with some (maybe useful) bits at http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain May 17 11:35:19 great May 17 11:35:22 lool: gcc-4.5 are sysroot and multiarch? May 17 11:35:31 I'm not sure about multiarch, I think not May 17 11:35:49 lool: we focus on 4.4 or 4.5? May 17 11:36:07 hrw: We focus on both :-) May 17 11:36:13 gcc-4.4 and maybe above had a WITH_SYSROOT variable which one could set to build sysrooted tools May 17 11:36:32 hrw: The toolchain selection spec seemed to imply keeping 4.4 for a while still, but we should update both packaging May 17 11:36:39 hrw: doko is the packaging gatekeeper May 17 11:37:05 I'll be working on DebianBug#577674 May 17 11:37:17 hrw: You'll have to submit individual changes as bzr commits in some way May 17 11:37:35 hrw: mwhudson offered help in getting the packaging SVN imported to bzr, we really want to do that early May 17 11:37:44 In the worst case, work from lp:ubuntu/gcc-4.5 May 17 11:38:13 hrw: I'm not sure that's really a relevant bug May 17 11:38:14 lool: in that SVN export planned also for debian code? May 17 11:38:25 lool, anything I can do to help? May 17 11:38:28 zumbi: Well it's the same packaging SVN for Debian and Ubuntu AIUI May 17 11:38:47 lool: so packaging is moving to LP bzr? May 17 11:38:55 zyga: Tons, but I suspect we can keep you busy in other ways :-) May 17 11:38:59 first I will follow page from zumbi to get it built for first time and see how it looks May 17 11:39:05 zumbi: I'm not sure, maybe May 17 11:39:12 zumbi: This is doko's decision really May 17 11:39:34 hrw: ok May 17 11:39:34 lool, yes but until I get something from scottb I have no real focus yet May 17 11:39:42 lool: that debian bug is doko and me trying to merge rules.d/*-cross files into native ones (doko's idea) May 17 11:39:50 zyga: Check with plars May 17 11:39:57 zyga: I'm sure he has stuff for you May 17 11:39:58 plars, ^^ May 17 11:40:05 zyga: How about getting started with hudson for instance? May 17 11:40:16 zyga: I'm not sure how many tools/qa specs we have yet May 17 11:40:37 zyga: I can think of other topics where help is needed, but would prefer to discuss these with scottb/plars when they are around (couple of hours I guess) May 17 11:40:40 lool, hudson it is then May 17 11:40:59 lool, plars didn't like hudson but I think we did agree that I'll check it out May 17 11:42:02 zyga: Hmm I missed that part, what was the issue with it? May 17 11:44:30 lool, as for hudson, plars told me he doesn't think hudson is the right tool for the job May 17 11:44:50 lool, and the fact that other people are using it is not the key to our use case (project vs distro scope) May 17 11:46:05 zyga: Well we have a distro scope too, and it did sound sensible to use a continuous integration server, but I'm happy to use another existing brick if there's a better one -- I do want the technical reasons to be documented though May 17 11:46:07 hrw: FYI, I use buildcross to build cross tools, I plan to package it and upload to experimental sometime soon May 17 11:46:19 hrw: emchain is mostly deprecated May 17 11:46:33 ok May 17 11:46:43 lool, plars *is* focused on distro scope but all hudson examples people quoted were at package/project scope May 17 11:47:08 zyga: Oh ok, I see the point now May 17 11:47:21 zyga: Well our project is Ubuntu ;-) May 17 11:48:03 lool, bzr get lp:ubuntu/trunk && time make -C ubuntu ;-) May 17 11:48:41 6m0d0m=h0m0s May 17 11:49:04 Or rather 6M0d0h0m0s May 17 11:49:13 * ogra returns with a new serial cable May 17 11:50:38 ogra: never enough of them May 17 11:50:42 hrw, for omap4 you need to talk to cooloney (the above only works on beagle C4) May 17 11:51:10 hrw, well, Martyn kept mine so i needed to buy a new one to get work done today :) May 17 11:51:32 ogra: I have 5-6 serial cables which I did not yet unpacked ;D May 17 11:51:38 heh May 17 11:52:00 had to get something to bump order value once May 17 11:52:04 well, i have bunches of serial cables ... but usually only one usb->serial converter May 17 11:52:04 * asac lunch May 17 11:52:26 laptops... May 17 11:52:30 yeah May 17 11:52:48 * hrw hugs 7xrs232 desktop May 17 11:52:54 the new one is a lot slimmer though ... doesnt cover the surrounding sockets on the XM anymore May 17 11:53:01 which is very cool May 17 11:53:22 the sockets on the XM are all way to close to each other May 17 11:53:51 if you have a plug thats minimally bigger than the smallest std. you run into problems May 17 11:55:10 * ogra goes to dig for the parts to solder a serial head onto the touchbook now May 17 11:55:19 ogra: anything will be better then BB C3 May 17 11:56:09 hrw, well, the more sockets you pack on that little sized board the worse it gets May 17 11:56:23 s/little/small/ May 17 11:57:05 ogra: yep May 17 12:16:13 zumbi: do you have debconf-armel-cross packge? I can accept it even from dpkg-repack May 17 12:18:35 * hrw -> lunch May 17 12:20:10 hi hrw May 17 12:22:17 hrw: that is a bug, it was introduced on latest libc6 (DebianBug#580366) May 17 12:22:50 hrw: it should either depend on debconf native May 17 12:23:20 hrw: on latest eglibc debconf has jumped from Recommends to Depends (I have not found the reason) May 17 12:23:56 hrw: dpkg-cross should be tough about this particular case or use -x debconf May 17 12:24:12 * zumbi goes to lunch May 17 12:24:34 hrw: dpkg-cross May 17 12:24:53 hrw: Note that in my xbuild.txt notes, I do: dpkg-cross -X libc-bin -X debconf -X tzdata -X findutils -b -a armel libc6_*_armel.deb May 17 12:25:15 hrw: That will avoid the need for debconf-armel-cross (debconf from the host arch is good enough) May 17 12:27:00 lool: you are missing libc-dev-bin May 17 12:28:28 posibly debconf-2.0 May 17 12:30:27 zumbi: Note that I only dpkg-crossed libc6_, but yeah, I likely miss some May 17 12:39:18 james_w: Hey, bzr branch lp:debian/sid/dpkg-cross doesn't give me the latest version from sid, and I don't see it on http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ May 17 12:39:36 zyga: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html /universe etc. are the current pages we use for merging May 17 12:39:40 hrm, the touchbook has really not enough space to store a sub-d plug inside the case ... May 17 12:39:48 lool, checking May 17 12:40:07 * ogra goes digging for socket connectors that are small enough May 17 12:40:27 lool, does it depend on tree content of each package or on version number alone>? May 17 12:40:37 lool: gina hasn't pulled that package in to LP yet May 17 12:41:07 zyga: Only version numbers are used to decide that it needs merging AFAIK May 17 12:41:11 james_w: Is this normal? May 17 12:41:43 lool: no, I'm asking in #launchpad now May 17 12:42:18 lool, where's the source to merges.u.c? May 17 12:42:24 james_w: Ok thanks May 17 12:42:38 zyga: merge-o-matic May 17 12:42:45 ogra: perhaps soldered cables that come out of the space where the LCD attaches to the keyboard unit? May 17 12:43:00 thanks May 17 12:43:21 zyga: launchpad.net/merge-o-matic or so I guess May 17 12:43:23 amitk, well, its easy enough to open the case i'll just need a flatter connector that sits inside May 17 12:43:29 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/merge-o-matic/trunk May 17 12:43:29 lool, I have it May 17 12:43:39 and solder the sub-d to the other connector side May 17 12:44:09 i have a bunch of IDE connectors around somewhere, just need to find them May 17 12:47:07 lool, so a 'beefier' version of mom is something we could use for projects/products based on ubuntu/arm May 17 12:48:07 zyga: Well we discussed a heavy client at UDS, check with james_w May 17 12:48:20 james_w, any blueprint for that? May 17 12:48:36 zyga: not written yet, but there was plenty of discussion May 17 12:48:48 james_w, notes? May 17 12:49:41 hrw has a power outage May 17 12:49:57 lool, poland is flooded currently May 17 12:50:40 I'm not going to fall for the cheap excuses May 17 12:50:43 ;-) May 17 12:50:43 http://www.alert24.pl/alert24/1,84880,7891227.html May 17 12:51:08 zyga: I'm afraid I cant parse that, but it seems awful, are you affected? May 17 12:51:35 lool, not yet, warsaw has much better infrastructure than szczecin May 17 12:51:57 lool, power outage _might_ occur though, it will not last longer than couple of minutes if it does however May 17 12:52:05 ah, i just thought i had an excuse for not going to polish classes.. May 17 12:52:06 :P May 17 12:52:34 Stskeeps, you had polish classes? May 17 12:52:36 zyga: gobby in arm-m-development-environment arm-m-derived-archive-rebuild May 17 12:53:08 zyga: have, but i'm in warsaw too :P May 17 12:54:06 Stskeeps, oh :-) May 17 13:22:00 yay, touchbook serial running ! May 17 13:29:43 zyga: I'm catching up on backscroll, but yes I believe you were going to take a look at hudson and see if it can be coerced into doing what we need it to do May 17 13:30:05 zyga: you may want to talk to lifeless about it, I hear he's done some interesting things with it May 17 13:30:21 plars, yes, lool reminded me of that, I'm working on it now May 17 13:31:04 zyga: failing that, we need to consider other options, including building our own. I'm partial to django if we go that route as it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm not stuck on anything in particular as long as we can build something manageable May 17 13:31:39 plars, I'd like to talk with scott first but my TODO looks like this right now May 17 13:31:43 zyga: if you need anything from me, please don't hesitate to ping me. May 17 13:32:00 1) analyze possible code reuse for the dashboard (hudson and others if they arise) May 17 13:32:10 zyga: yes, I'd like for us both to try to sync up with scott at some point today, especially since I'm going to be out the next few days May 17 13:32:25 2) design and agree on data model with you and other stakeholders (I'm not sure who) May 17 13:33:05 3) (low priority/idle tasks) debug qemu so that it works well for lool and everyone in qemu-in-the-cloud initiative, I hope to hook up with upstream on this if possible May 17 13:33:27 3) is also important to get a small test case that can hang/crash the emulator, if possible May 17 13:33:42 plars, this is for now, if you want to modify it please do May 17 13:40:31 zyga: Did you follow kirkland's demo in the UDS lightning talks? May 17 13:40:40 zyga: He was basically running UEC *in* EC2 May 17 13:40:49 IOW QEMU under Xen May 17 13:40:56 lool, the one with all the virtualization, yes May 17 13:41:15 zyga: Yup May 17 13:41:26 lool, I have a spare system (or two) in my house for running test 'cloud' if I need May 17 13:42:52 amitk, hmm, so it seems the kernel loads fine on the touchbook, did you see something like a panel selftest (flashing colors) when you tried it ? May 17 13:43:37 ogra: yes, lots of flashing colors May 17 13:43:56 right, i guess thats because we default to a too high res :) May 17 13:44:06 the panel takes only 1024x600 May 17 13:44:07 hey sbambrough May 17 13:44:27 sbambrough: make sure you register your nick on every connection May 17 13:44:48 sbambrough: Otherwise people cant see your private messages May 17 13:44:50 ogra: aah, fair enough. So changing the dss driver parameter will fix it? May 17 13:45:14 amitk, i'll try now May 17 13:45:29 in any case it uncompressed the kernel fine it seems May 17 13:51:45 amitk, hmm, no, didnt help May 17 13:52:14 do you see the kernel boot messages? May 17 13:52:50 not yet, i'll enable serial now (i wanted to test the display first and plymouth freaks out with console= on the cmdline) May 17 13:55:26 bah, i should drop quiet i guess May 17 13:56:14 helps sometimes :) May 17 14:02:16 the power is back May 17 14:03:19 hrw: cool May 17 14:05:46 amitk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/434987/ May 17 14:06:41 [ 105.389404] omapfb omapfb: no displays May 17 14:06:42 [ 105.393249] omapfb omapfb: failed to setup omapfb May 17 14:06:42 [ 105.397979] omapfb: probe of omapfb failed with error -22 May 17 14:15:32 hrw, are you okay? May 17 14:16:48 yes, on call May 17 14:24:48 need to check pricing for 00800 at my cellphone operator May 17 14:27:26 ogra: ok, that should probably be a single dss2 patch for that board. Could you please attach the dmesg to a bug? May 17 14:27:38 will do May 17 14:29:14 ogra: look at OE if you lack patch May 17 14:29:31 OE TI guys have touchbooks May 17 14:32:39 amitk, bug 581771 ... want it assigned or should that go to cooloney now ? May 17 14:32:42 Launchpad bug 581771 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "omap3 dss2 touchbook patch missing in lucid kernel (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581771 May 17 14:38:18 hi robclark May 17 14:38:28 robclark: had a good trip home? May 17 14:38:36 hi-ya hrw May 17 14:38:47 yeah, made it home in one piece May 17 14:39:00 my brain is still in wrong timezone ;-) May 17 14:39:49 robclark: at least you do not complain about it ;) May 17 14:40:03 :-) May 17 14:40:04 ogra: assign me, I'll reassign May 17 14:40:23 done May 17 14:40:34 hey robclark May 17 14:40:51 gm ogra May 17 14:41:38 ogra,amitk http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=summary can be also useful May 17 14:53:15 zumbi: did you got my question about debconf-armel-cross? May 17 14:53:45 hrw: yes, we (lool and me) already replied May 17 14:54:14 ok, need to dig in logs then May 17 14:54:51 two hours and a half ago :-) May 17 14:55:14 thx guys, found May 17 15:10:11 hrw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/435015/ May 17 15:27:08 hrw: FYI, I have just tested 4.4.4-1 does not build (for me), latest working build was 4.4.3-9, iirc May 17 15:28:03 thx May 17 15:28:05 hrw: http://emdebian.org/~zumbi/toolchain/amd64-unstable/logs//amd64-armel-4.4.log May 17 15:28:19 it is not gcc related May 17 15:28:59 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: zlib1g-dev-armel-cross May 17 15:29:17 yes, that might be new dependency May 17 15:29:21 I am building gcc 4.4.4-1 now May 17 15:29:28 or some bug on my scripts (buildcross) May 17 15:29:47 manual builds might work better May 17 15:32:33 zumbi: you are using pdebuild-cross or sth like that for automatic builds? May 17 15:37:37 arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc (Debian 4.4.4-1) 4.4.4 May 17 15:38:50 great! :-) May 17 15:39:37 hrw: no, i use buildcross, pdebuild-cross is meant for packages, but we are currently working on pbuilder-cross May 17 15:40:00 toolchains case is aside packages cross building May 17 15:40:23 hello.c and hello.cc compiled so test passed May 17 15:40:24 I am still missing ubuntu's XDeb bits May 17 15:40:54 hrw: take into account that I am debian person, not much related to ubuntu final goals May 17 15:41:15 zumbi: I do first tests under Debian May 17 15:41:59 yes, yes, cooperation is always welcome, but when I usually say something it is in Debian terms, sometimes ubuntu wants to do it their way May 17 15:42:30 I know May 17 15:43:01 for example, our plan is to package buildcross and upload to experimental May 17 15:43:19 would be lovely May 17 15:43:29 I am unsure you want ubuntu wants/needs May 17 15:48:38 hrw: Did you manage to build cross packages wiht Ubuntu's toolchain sources? May 17 15:48:42 hrw: lucid or maverick? May 17 15:48:58 hrw: If you did, could you please cross-build something like x-loader to confirm they work? May 17 15:50:28 now did with debian versions as my debian machine is faster one May 17 15:53:54 s,want,what (on my previous phrase) May 17 16:30:57 have a nice rest of day May 17 16:46:19 mcasadevall@daybreak:/tmp/test$ ls -lah livecd.base.ext2 May 17 16:46:19 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 432M 2010-05-17 12:45 livecd.base.ext2 May 17 16:46:20 BAHAHAHAHA May 17 16:46:24 * NCommander hacks and coughs May 17 16:52:17 ogra: I do have your displaylink card. May 17 16:53:12 persia, great, bring it to prague then :) May 17 16:53:54 I'll get it to you somehow :) May 17 16:54:01 * persia wants to make it work first May 17 18:44:36 ogra_cmpc: I have livecd-rootfs patches if your in a condition you can merge them May 17 19:31:51 NCommander, ogra what is the image type we are providing for OMAP? May 17 19:32:54 it's not a normal live image, nor an alt install, so what is it? May 17 19:38:20 would netbook preinstall be accurate? May 17 19:39:38 davidm: pre-installed would be accurate May 17 19:44:08 NCommander, what is/are the seeds? May 17 19:44:28 NCommander, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest May 17 19:45:44 davidm: standard seeds right now since we can SRU the one change we need to make to them May 17 19:45:55 davidm: hey bud May 17 19:46:06 hi prpplague May 17 19:46:22 davidm: back in dfw? May 17 19:46:30 prpplague, you should be hearing from lool soonish I think May 17 19:46:43 prpplague, yes I'm back in dfw May 17 19:46:49 (finally) May 17 19:46:59 davidm: "hearing from lool" is that a good thing or bad? May 17 19:47:05 prpplague, good May 17 19:47:13 dandy May 17 20:22:51 Eh May 17 20:30:57 lool: davidm says you are going to hunt me down May 17 20:31:38 lool, prpplague is the gent with the beagle board stuff I told you about May 17 20:31:53 working directly with our customer May 17 20:35:08 the showdog lcd board should be available shortly May 17 20:35:16 and we have a number of other boards in the works May 17 21:29:12 * NCommander lacks the ability to focus May 18 02:35:41 where i can get the whole doc of build chrome **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 18 02:59:57 2010