**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 19 02:59:57 2010 May 19 03:49:19 Hi all May 19 03:50:03 i was trying to create the rootfs of ubuntu jaunty to the beagle board May 19 03:50:24 i have used this command sudo rootstock --fqdn vali --login ubuntu --password ubuntu --imagesize 2G --seed wget,nano,linux-firmware,wireless-tools,usbutils --dist jaunty --serial ttyS0 --components"main universe multiverse" --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/lucid/v2.6.32.11-l13/linux-image-2.6.32.11-l13_1.0lucid_armel.deb May 19 03:50:33 to create the rootfs May 19 03:51:07 there is only two files are created armel-rootfs-201005182008.tgz and vmlinuz-2.6.32.11-l13 May 19 03:51:18 i didb,t get any initrd May 19 03:51:33 initrd.img-2.6 May 19 03:52:08 any one please help me to find the issue..? May 19 03:53:20 Vali, are you running lucid? or using rootstock from brz trunk? May 19 03:55:10 btw don't mix and match deb's built for a specific target for a different distro... that lucid kernel will not boot on jaunty... May 19 03:56:05 can please send the command to create the jaunty img for beagle..? May 19 03:56:49 are you running lucid? May 19 03:57:13 i am runnig jaunty May 19 03:57:31 u mean in beagle or in my pc May 19 03:57:38 ? May 19 03:57:42 I mean on your PC which you are running rootstock.... May 19 03:57:52 ubuntu 9.10 May 19 03:58:24 okay... the version of rootstock shipped with 9.10 does not include initrd.img-xxx generation... May 19 03:58:53 you can either... a: install bzr trunk of rootstock or b: upgrade to lucid... (a's quicker) May 19 03:59:37 a: https://code.launchpad.net/~project-rootstock-developers/project-rootstock/trunk May 19 04:00:28 then make sure to either apply this patch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/rootstock-bashism/revision/96 or change the "/bin/sh" line in rootstock to "/bin/bash" May 19 04:01:15 then make 100% that ifyou specify "-dist jaunty" that you use the jaunty kernel from rcn-ee.net otherwise as is.. yours will not BOOT... (lucid kernel config is uncompatiable with anything before lucid) May 19 04:01:26 ok thanks and sudo rootstock --fqdn vali --login ubuntu --password ubuntu --imagesize 2G --seed wget,nano,linux-firmware,wireless-tools,usbutils --dist jaunty --serial ttyS0 --components"main universe multiverse" --kernel-image http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/jaunty/v2.6.34-rc3-0/linux-image-2.6.34-rc3-0_1.0jaunty_armel.deb is this command is ok..? May 19 04:01:40 means about kernel May 19 04:01:45 Vali are you picking random kernels? May 19 04:02:27 only use the latest 'x' which would be : http://rcn-ee.net/deb/jaunty/v2.6.33.4-x3/linux-image-2.6.33.4-x3_1.0jaunty_armel.deb May 19 04:02:29 i don,t know which is stabilized one so picked it from that site.. May 19 04:02:38 am i wrong May 19 04:02:55 ok May 19 04:03:17 the 'x' & 'l' are stable, the 'd' & 'dl' are unstable the 'just a number' are 50/50 it'll even boot. .;) May 19 04:03:44 why do you want to run jaunty? it's two releases behind... May 19 04:04:20 actually i tried for lucid using the img file from ubuntu site May 19 04:04:44 i was loading up to install screen but keyboard and mouxe were not loading May 19 04:04:56 so i changed to jaunty May 19 04:05:34 Well, i'd still shoot for lucid... jaunty and karmic are just getting old now.. swap jaunty with lucid in your rootstock script.. May 19 04:06:19 ok May 19 04:06:33 i'm guessing you were using the otg port? May 19 04:06:40 yes May 19 04:06:56 actually keyboard and mouse were working in android May 19 04:07:38 yeap, i'm pretty certain that's broken in ubuntu's kernel.... are you using a good usb 2.0 hub?... (yeah android was using an old kernel that allowed stuff to work when it shouldn't..) May 19 04:08:52 if you have 5mins to spare, i'm pushing people that use the otg port (like me) to use: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Community_Kernel May 19 04:09:29 yes i am using good one only ( SVB 2.0 4 ports 480 Mbps) May 19 04:09:29 as long as you have a usb ethernet or working wifi adapter the NetInstall is very easy.. May 19 04:09:53 i don,t have usb ethernet May 19 04:10:28 what is that community kernel May 19 04:10:31 ? May 19 04:10:48 that makes it very hard to do things... otherwise i do have demo image up here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Lucid_10.04 May 19 04:12:27 it's my kernel branch, that i started shortly after the first beagle was made, long before ubuntu even started building for the armel architecture or even providing their own kernel... https://launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel May 19 04:12:48 thanks rcn-ee i am downloading that rootfs May 19 04:13:51 it'll get you booted into a console terminal.. we are still fighting a late rootstock bug, so i haven't been able to upload a nice xfce enabled demo image... May 19 04:14:39 mens it isn,t GUI enabled May 19 04:14:42 ? May 19 04:18:22 yeap, those demo Image's have no gui... due to bug 532733 A: use the Netboot image that ubuntu provides (haven't used it myself) B: use the NetInstall method (link above) with a usb etherent adapter or C: use the demo image on rcn-ee.net with a usb-ethernet adapter and apt-get install your gui... May 19 04:18:25 Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 42)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733 May 19 04:24:17 Handy workaround for usb0 not working: May 19 04:24:21 er May 19 04:24:26 wait, is that the "all otg is broken"? May 19 04:24:37 If it was just g_ether broken... you can do g_ether.use_eem=0 May 19 04:25:22 idk if ubuntu kernel correctly enables the otg port, but Vali's isn't detecting anything on the bus.. May 19 04:27:04 ah yeah, I think the Ubuntu kernel was b0rked. Null pointer dereference, or ENODEVICE, or such. May 19 04:27:39 i know it worked at one time, but i've been busy breaking my own kernel.. ;) May 19 04:30:13 rcn-ee : can we extract the rootfs from the ubuntu.img file ? May 19 04:30:44 instead of creating the rootfs using root stock May 19 04:31:18 if we can able to extract rootfs from .img file( beacuase that img file has working GUI) May 19 04:31:27 probally.. (with out looking at it..) i'm guessing extract to sd card... then it's very simple to dump/install the *.deb package to get the modules in the SD card and then use the uImage for booting.. May 19 04:31:34 is it posible ? May 19 04:32:27 You can probably mount it with loop. May 19 04:32:44 the only thing... i belive ubuntu's Netboot image is actually an install script similar to lets say an iso/cdrom.. so when you boot with it, you end up installing it to the sd card? May 19 04:34:24 end up installing in to the USB Disk May 19 04:36:18 yeah your right, just re-read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetbookInstall ... i like my NetInstall better. May 19 04:37:22 but for my now i don,t have usb ethernet adapter so i have top try this.. May 19 04:37:27 you can get a cheap asix based usb ethernet off amazon for $7-$14 May 19 04:38:53 I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/USB-2-0-3-port-Hub-Ethernet/dp/B0030DO7OY May 19 04:38:59 ok..i will buy but for now i will try these methods also.. May 19 04:40:15 another option is the usb0 method with the usb gadget driver... you'll connect the otg directly to the pc.. setup your ip routes, then use the 'serial-mode' NetInstall metiod (no mouse/keyboard, but thru serial console)... get everything installed then swith back to dvi/usb mouse/keyboard... May 19 04:40:52 that would also work with the demo images on rcn-ee.net... May 19 04:41:20 can u please send me the link for thsi about full info please..? May 19 04:41:31 about serial console May 19 04:42:12 Vali: that thing is not the cheapest option... but it is elegant. May 19 04:42:16 to connect to the pc which cable we have to use usb-a/b May 19 04:42:54 the serial console is easy.. install gtkterm/etc in linux, then connect to it over the serial port.. the usb0 gadget stuff is kinda documented on the beagleboard group's.. i've never done it, but people have done it... May 19 04:43:39 ok rcn-ee this too. May 19 04:43:49 i wiil try this too May 19 04:45:43 the best option to get GUI properly is usb ethernet(NetInstall) right..? May 19 04:48:10 yeap it's the easiest till we fix rootstock... May 19 04:48:19 * rcn-ee heads out May 19 04:48:43 ok thanks rcn-ee and DanaG May 19 04:48:45 :bye May 19 04:50:14 Anyway, that adapter is nice because you don't have cables dangling all over the place. May 19 06:08:54 rcn-ee : is it is possible to add our own kernel in root file system May 19 06:09:24 here actually i just want to enable some of the options in the kernel and boot up with ubuntu May 19 06:09:37 is it posible? May 19 06:10:34 is there is any version dependencies between initrd and uImage May 19 06:10:37 ? May 19 06:10:55 can we just simply replace the uImage in mmc card? May 19 06:11:26 Vali: Is there any way you can just adapt the Ubuntu kernel for you own needs? May 19 06:11:37 All the source is available is it not? May 19 06:14:46 yes it is . here my intention is suppose if i was created Rootfs using rootstock and loaded in to the bagle and if i want enable like some printk info in the kernel May 19 06:14:55 how can i enble it May 19 06:15:15 insted of creating entire rootfs again May 19 06:15:59 here i was some what confused .. May 19 06:16:44 about kernel version and initrd and rootfs relation May 19 06:20:57 1) first i loaded the ubuntu lucid in to the beagle and i want replace my own kernel with some changes( like removing some drivers ..etc) with the kernel present in the mmc ). May 19 06:22:05 am i have to create the deb file and again create the rootfs with the rootstock or any other way is possible ? May 19 06:22:09 u can add it as module May 19 06:23:57 here i am not adding the module actually removing some drivers for test purpose May 19 06:24:32 can i just simple replace the uImage ? May 19 06:24:39 yes May 19 06:25:17 But how you are planning to remove the drivers from current kernel ? May 19 06:25:36 (Still confused about removing the drivers) May 19 06:27:14 is it possible to build the kernel for ubuntu in my pc ( if it is then i will change in the .config) May 19 06:27:18 ? May 19 06:27:49 instead of getting the kernel deb file from net May 19 06:28:21 i want build it in my pc . is it possible ? May 19 06:33:57 Vali, yes May 19 06:34:29 Vali: You can cross-compile on your PC May 19 06:34:43 Vali: If you have the necessary tools that is May 19 07:02:40 good morning May 19 07:05:01 morning May 19 09:58:30 I started writing cross compiler packages spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMCrossCompiling May 19 10:22:22 hrw: Thanks May 19 10:44:27 serial port support is matter of 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 serialtty=ttyS2' in boot.scr? May 19 10:56:42 hrw: Something like that; what does serialtty= do? May 19 10:57:03 getty? May 19 10:57:20 need to find proper name for it May 19 10:57:34 [ 112.248596] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 May 19 10:57:37 that suxx May 19 10:57:51 but lunch first May 19 10:57:56 * hrw -> lunch May 19 10:58:06 hrw: are you using a powered hub? May 19 10:58:11 beagle can't do USB 1.x May 19 10:58:14 only 2.x IIRC May 19 11:15:27 lool: I know that May 19 11:16:07 I got my first one over year ago May 19 11:20:53 lool: serialtty= is the casper hook for getting serial getty in upstart May 19 11:21:09 /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/22serialtty May 19 11:23:49 * zyga is installing lucid server on BB now May 19 11:24:51 funny you can use landscape on a farm of BBs May 19 11:25:45 I think that if lucid will fail again on my C3 then I will go for sakoman's 2.6.34 kernel May 19 11:29:45 hrw: you could file a bug so cooloney and me can look at fixing it too.. May 19 11:30:47 amitk: any of you have C3 bb? May 19 11:31:00 hrw: no, but you'll be our tester :) May 19 11:32:28 hrw, how different is C3 rev from C4? May 19 11:33:03 zyga: C4 has power lines fixed May 19 11:33:10 zyga: all is in BB SRM May 19 11:33:40 I wonder how many versions pandaboard will have May 19 11:36:50 [ 35.008148] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found May 19 11:36:50 [ 35.011993] hub 1-0:1.0: 3 ports detected May 19 11:37:15 * ogra_cmpc shakes his head about lool ... dude you reviewed the serialtty code a year ago when i wrote it May 19 11:37:41 you obviously work to much :) May 19 11:37:59 ~curse bb May 19 11:38:35 * ogra_cmpc never had probs with powered hubs on bb May 19 11:39:08 panda has an onboard hub, you wont have these probs :) May 19 11:39:33 ogra_cmpc: could you prod David for me and ask about "the arm devices he promised to look into for me"? May 19 11:39:59 ogra_cmpc: 2.6.29 was last working kernel for me on BB May 19 11:40:34 jussi, if he gets up May 19 11:40:42 :) May 19 11:40:45 still to early May 19 11:41:13 hrw, .33 works here with ubuntu on C4 and B3 May 19 11:41:34 ogra_cmpc: B3 with otghub on otg? May 19 11:41:44 ogra_cmpc: B3 with hub on otg? May 19 11:41:49 hmmm! where does lucid-server install the bootloader to? NAND? May 19 11:41:56 it's installing reboot and some flash tools May 19 11:42:00 adapter and powered hub, yes May 19 11:42:01 ogra_cmpc: Also, do you know titan peng's irc nick? May 19 11:42:11 nand wow :-) May 19 11:42:16 * zyga is now happy about BB May 19 11:42:20 jussi, TaitenP May 19 11:42:27 oh, thanks :) May 19 11:42:54 zyga, bad is that i needed to trash the default when writing to NAND May 19 11:43:10 ogra_cmpc, the default being what? May 19 11:43:20 * zyga has booting BB :D May 19 11:43:29 lovely folks, really May 19 11:43:30 zyga, whatever is set at compile time in the u-boot defaults May 19 11:43:44 oh, you mean the bootloader May 19 11:43:45 i.e. scanning for boot.scr May 19 11:43:48 yes May 19 11:43:50 hmm May 19 11:44:02 what happens if I erase the entire nand? May 19 11:44:10 is there a bootloader I cannot kill? May 19 11:44:12 after installing lucid you will alsways need a serial cable to install something else May 19 11:44:32 if you erase the whole nand the bootloader will be gone May 19 11:45:07 and then I'm done without a JTAG, correct? May 19 11:45:17 no, omap3 can be bring up live May 19 11:45:18 i'll write a tool in maverick to re-flash with the defaults, sadly i didnt have the time in lucid, the TI stuff came in to late May 19 11:45:37 zyga: you cannot brick BB by erasing nand May 19 11:45:39 you only need to press both buttons and it will load from SD May 19 11:45:55 * zyga feels relieved May 19 11:45:56 good May 19 11:45:59 you just dont have anything in NAND to boot without SD anymore May 19 11:46:08 SD always works May 19 11:46:52 its just unfortunate that the autodetection is gone with an ubuntu install .... i made it behave a bit like M$ :) us or nothing May 19 11:46:53 * zyga can start hacking on running tests on BB May 19 11:47:10 ogra_cmpc, you read too much marketing stuff ;-) May 19 11:47:16 haha May 19 11:47:30 how to switch HDMI to 1080p? May 19 11:47:44 zyga: BB is not capable of 1080p/60 May 19 11:47:46 I remember there is a boot option May 19 11:47:59 use fw_readev/setenv to change the cmdline and reboot May 19 11:48:00 zyga: you can get 1080p/24 iirc May 19 11:48:07 that's fine May 19 11:48:16 better to have more screen for my terminal anyway May 19 11:48:19 (server install) May 19 11:48:49 ogra_cmpc, got it, thanks - let's see if this works May 19 11:49:06 zyga: 1280x800MR-60 is safe for most monitors May 19 11:49:28 uf.. C3 + otg + hub works so far May 19 11:49:33 hrw, I have 1080p monitor hooked up via HDMI - I just wanted to get something more readable May 19 11:49:42 should I up vram too? May 19 11:49:51 zyga: 12M is enough May 19 11:50:00 no need if you only use cmdline i guess May 19 11:50:11 for X you probably should May 19 11:51:06 ogra_cmpc, what does MR stand for in that line? May 19 11:51:17 1920x1080MR-16@60 May 19 11:51:31 no idea, hrw might know May 19 11:51:39 and finally will 24@24 work? May 19 11:51:40 hrw, ^^ ? May 19 11:51:44 i just stole it from the beagle wiki May 19 11:51:52 (24bpp at 24 fps) May 19 11:56:34 MR is related to sync settings May 19 11:56:46 it is in vesa specifications May 19 11:57:24 hrw, thanks, I'll check if my line works May 19 11:57:41 I have a Marvell Kirkwood (ARM) server and I want to install 10.04 on it. How do you suggest I proceed? i386/amd64 packages aren't useable on this architecture, correct? (and do you have an advice about the filesystem for the SD card?) May 19 11:58:23 ogra_cmpc: serialtty= > eh; I had completely forgotten about it, it sounded like something supported, but I couldn't tell where May 19 11:58:24 SWAT: 10.04 does not support it May 19 11:58:37 Proof that what I don't use doesn't exist, as usual May 19 11:58:43 SWAT: Kirkwood is armv5te so last Ubuntu with support was 9.04 May 19 11:58:45 heh May 19 12:01:36 * zyga has a crazy idea just now May 19 12:01:59 256MB ram hurts in netbook install May 19 12:02:00 do you guys think that running our testsuite (the one we're going to build) on a jailbroken iphone makes sense (performance bench?) May 19 12:02:18 hrw, I abandoned netbook installs, server is usable on that system May 19 12:02:40 hrw, use lots of swap :) May 19 12:03:25 (and have lots of spare SD cards once the swap wore it out :P ) May 19 12:03:51 ogra_cmpc: hey, hows the bump on the head :) May 19 12:04:05 lol May 19 12:04:06 ogra_cmpc: :) added 1GB on usb May 19 12:04:08 fine again May 19 12:04:21 hehe May 19 12:04:48 my knee looks very bad still, i bet asac's case must have a dent or so May 19 12:04:58 hah May 19 12:05:14 at least you missed asac May 19 12:05:25 I hate beagleboard formfactor May 19 12:05:31 heh, that would have resulted in funny situations May 19 12:05:47 true May 19 12:06:34 ogra_cmpc: any docs or mini howto for starting with armel on ubuntu? Was going to start looking at putting it on my archos 5it May 19 12:07:00 well, first of all you need some kind of access to the bootloader May 19 12:07:08 i dont think we have any howtos May 19 12:07:25 since its usually a very board specific process May 19 12:07:30 ok May 19 12:07:54 as i said in brussels, try to get some kind of serial access, thats usually a good start May 19 12:07:55 the board is supposedly a beagleboard (TI) with a Coretex A8 May 19 12:08:03 right May 19 12:09:00 ok, so to get serial... when I boot I need to see if a tty is assigned to the usb dev right? May 19 12:09:39 if you plug it into your PC and are lucky you see something like ttyUSB* in dmesg May 19 12:09:58 1080p @24 doesn't work ... May 19 12:10:06 if not you probably need to solder ... May 19 12:10:45 * rgreening hopes to see ttyUSB and not solder May 19 12:10:48 :) May 19 12:10:52 http://www.openaos.org/archives/184 May 19 12:11:01 you apparently have to solder May 19 12:11:10 dang May 19 12:12:07 thats for 6 and 7 though May 19 12:12:18 not sure its the same for an archos 5 May 19 12:12:37 zyga: 1440x900@60 or 1680x945@49 May 19 12:12:59 hrw, will do, first I need to get back to my device ;-) May 19 12:13:24 hrw, installing avahi blinefold will help May 19 12:13:40 and the DVR station, which I dont have... boo... and the 5it is a gen 7 iirc May 19 12:14:16 hrw: thanks for the info. Compiling my own kernel won't be an issue, but getting packages is. Will I be able to use existing packages or will I need to compile everything? May 19 12:15:11 SWAT, if oyu use 9.04 you can just use the packages May 19 12:15:42 zyga: thats why you need to use serial cable May 19 12:16:08 or install avahi/ssh first :) May 19 12:16:27 before fiddling with untested cmdline settings May 19 12:16:46 ogra_cmpc: serial works always. May 19 12:16:57 pfft, serial is a PITA May 19 12:17:10 looks like 0.22uF hack helped a bit May 19 12:17:13 always forces you to have a second machine May 19 12:17:25 hrw, well I have ssh to the device, serial doesn't work out of the box, we need to fix that I guess May 19 12:17:26 ogra_cmpc: I have 7 serials in desktop May 19 12:17:29 (even as an installer option) May 19 12:17:32 * ogra_cmpc is on a quest to get rid of serial on arm May 19 12:18:49 ogra_cmpc: right. So if I would want to use 10.04, I would have to compile everything myself (e.g. recompile existing packages)? Just want to be sure before I make up my mind ;) May 19 12:19:40 SWAT: yes, you would have to May 19 12:19:41 hrw, its good as a last resort thing ... but look at rgreening above :) if he would have a bootloader that uses a fallback console on framebuffer at a certain key combo his life would be much easier May 19 12:19:41 ogra_cmpc, why is that :-) ? May 19 12:19:57 :) May 19 12:20:15 zyga, having to solder .... needing a second machine etc etc May 19 12:20:36 ogra_cmpc: beagleboard uboot lost any graphics some time ago May 19 12:20:46 serial is so 80's May 19 12:20:52 SWAT, you would have ot recompile the world, yes May 19 12:20:58 ogra_cmpc, rescuing your system, having extra trace point, that's still useful May 19 12:21:09 yeah, last resort, as i said May 19 12:21:37 once we get rid of u-boot in favour of using linux as bootloader the world will be so much easier May 19 12:22:28 ogra_cmpc: how long did netbook install took on beagleboard? May 19 12:22:36 about 1h May 19 12:22:42 ok May 19 12:23:09 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMPreinstalledSDCardImages will solve the waste of time :) May 19 12:24:30 l;D May 19 12:25:45 ogra_cmpc, ^related above... don't forget X-loader/MLO ;) May 19 12:26:18 oh, right, i took that as a given thing but didnt write anything into the spec :p May 19 12:26:18 rcn-ee: iirc OMAP3 needs x-loader May 19 12:26:27 but x-loader can load kernel May 19 12:26:55 ho you didnt refer to the spec May 19 12:27:03 yeap... the XM with no NAND, will definetelly need MLO on the SD card for reliablity.. ;) May 19 12:27:14 you dont need x-loader on omap4 luckily May 19 12:28:05 and afaik a similar hex blob shold work with omap3 May 19 12:28:33 ok, I can boot my desktop now and install buntu May 19 12:29:51 btw, any chance can we get an override in that spec, say for kernel testing, so we can force it to not do something automaticly. ;) May 19 12:30:57 thats tricky because you will need a matching initrd with jasper in it May 19 12:31:38 for kernel testing i'd rather recommend to run to the firstboot wizard and play wiht the kernel afterwards May 19 12:32:16 i'll definately provide a script to replace MLO and u-boot.bin to support a different SoC May 19 12:32:32 as long as it works with the provided kernel May 19 12:32:45 and more will by 2.6.35.. May 19 12:32:55 right May 19 12:33:05 ogra_cmpc: just sent you an email May 19 12:33:25 cooloney, ok, i cant read it atm (mail client is at the other place) May 19 12:34:01 ogra_cmpc: so quickly, i prepared a omap4 kernel package for you to test May 19 12:34:13 \o? May 19 12:34:16 err May 19 12:34:27 \o/ indeed May 19 12:34:31 cooloney, you rock May 19 12:34:36 indeed May 19 12:35:02 to bad i'm just compiling a touchbook kernel on my blaze :( May 19 12:35:18 heh,, I need to report bug against lucid alternate installer May 19 12:35:23 ogra_cmpc: http://people.canonical.com/~roc/kernel/omap4/ May 19 12:35:49 * cooloney cross his fingers and waiting for blame May 19 12:36:12 cooloney, btw, there seems to be a kernel bug wiht that tree, robclark pointed me to it May 19 12:36:33 though it might be resolved in the latest checkouts May 19 12:36:51 cooloney, gimme 30min or so, my kernel build should be done soon May 19 12:36:51 ogra_cmpc: ok, which bug? May 19 12:37:09 ogra_cmpc: np, man May 19 12:37:37 cooloney, i know how to trigger it so i'll try if its gone in your build May 19 12:37:55 (git clone seems to be the perfect thing to reproduce it) May 19 12:38:16 after that everything segfaults until next reboot May 19 12:38:39 hrw-laptop: ogra_cmpc: thanks for the info guys! May 19 12:38:45 I now watch ubuntu netbook install on 20" lcd (beagleboard) and kubuntu alternate install on 24" (desktop) May 19 12:38:52 SWAT: no prob May 19 12:39:33 SWAT: you can also consider Debian - it will work out of box May 19 12:48:44 718 updates.... my lucid install stick is old May 19 12:58:15 ogra_cmpc: how fast blaze is when it comes to building? May 19 12:59:27 hrw-laptop, sadly the IO of the SD i use sucks, so its hard to tell May 19 12:59:55 the SMP CPU is a dualcore 1.2GHz though May 19 13:00:13 should be a lot faster on a USB disk i guess May 19 13:00:18 yep May 19 13:00:44 i also didnt use -j2 or so, so currently it only uses one core May 19 13:00:57 for pandaboard I think I will connect old 40GB pata 5400rpm harddrive - should be much better then sd anyway May 19 13:01:17 yeah May 19 13:02:10 beagleboard reached 93% install - kernel isntalling May 19 13:02:20 nice May 19 13:03:16 56% on desktop May 19 13:03:34 heh, doing a speedrace ? May 19 13:04:50 no, desktop started later May 19 13:05:32 and had to fetch over 700 packages from network May 19 13:07:57 93% contra 86% May 19 13:19:41 ogra_cmpc, is it faster to use gigabit eth/usb dongle and nfs? May 19 13:19:55 no May 19 13:20:16 nfs is always slower than any local media May 19 13:21:22 use a USB disk or some class 10 SD card May 19 13:21:34 ogra_cmpc: unless you have slow media and fast network May 19 13:22:07 still, i havent seen nfs being faster than local media with recent HW May 19 13:22:26 hrw-laptop: I will have to do that (already knew Debian supported it, but I like Ubuntu better), since I do not want to build everything myself. I like Ubuntu, but I also have my limits ;) May 19 13:23:43 ok, with recent it is other thing May 19 13:24:10 its likely faster on openmoko or something like that :) May 19 13:25:52 * ogra_cmpc moves over to the office May 19 13:32:07 cooloney, seems it hangs May 19 13:33:11 re May 19 13:33:29 kubuntu desktop at phase of installing stuff May 19 13:46:37 installed May 19 13:46:43 on beagleboard May 19 15:08:41 hi guys May 19 15:08:50 i have a question May 19 15:09:08 can i run ubuntu on my htc touch pro? May 19 15:11:16 GFeind: touch pro uses qualcomm or snapdragon? May 19 15:11:23 qualcomm May 19 15:11:53 out of luck then May 19 15:12:12 you have armv6 without vfp so probably karmic even will not work May 19 15:12:46 but android works May 19 15:13:03 and what is vfp May 19 15:13:06 ? May 19 15:13:07 android needs armv5te, ubuntu 10.04 needs armv7a May 19 15:13:13 vfp is fpu May 19 15:13:19 ah May 19 15:13:20 ok May 19 15:13:35 but what about an older version May 19 15:13:35 9.04 probably will work May 19 15:13:51 and how can i install it? May 19 15:13:52 9.10 rather not due to lack of vfp May 19 15:13:57 10.04 not at all May 19 15:14:17 how can i install 9.04 May 19 15:14:22 GFeind: search on "xda developers" forum I think May 19 15:14:27 ok May 19 15:14:44 as you need proper kernel + image and we support only limited amount of devices May 19 15:23:50 i found sth but dont know what to do now May 19 15:23:51 http://www.megaupload.com/?f=RWDJWUN0 May 19 15:23:58 there are several files May 19 15:24:00 :( May 19 15:25:09 thats where i found the link May 19 15:25:11 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640785 May 19 15:28:00 GFeind: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RhodiumUbuntu is better page to read May 19 15:29:31 yes i know May 19 15:29:33 but May 19 15:29:48 GFeind: and remember: using Linux on HTC Touch Pro does not mean that everything will work etc. This is community project and some componenets are not working. May 19 15:29:49 what do i have to do with these files May 19 15:30:01 yes May 19 15:30:07 its all on my own risk May 19 15:30:08 GFeind: I never used Linux on WinMo phone May 19 15:30:18 ok May 19 15:30:28 but its worth the try May 19 15:30:30 Note that if anythig not hardware-dependent doesn't work, we want bugs, as most of that probably applies for every device. May 19 15:31:07 ok May 19 15:31:23 i tell you what i do May 19 15:32:05 first i will have to download the files May 19 15:35:26 now i cut all the files on my sd card out and paste them on the external hd of my pc May 19 15:37:26 do you think i also have to download the "jaunty" files May 19 15:37:47 i think jaunty is a ubuntu version May 19 15:37:56 codename of 9.04 May 19 16:01:56 have a nice rest of day May 19 17:24:29 hey ogra_cmpc how far out of the box do you want to go for a workaround for rootstock? (and as a side effect cross arch.. ;) ) May 19 17:26:24 what kind of workaround do you mean ? May 19 17:27:40 i'm thinking of running native on arm.. basic idea: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/rootstock-on-arm-testing/revision/97 squashing a couple bugs as go between my sheevaplug and beagle... May 19 17:28:41 so far, i've been getting tar.gz's.. ;) runing a netbook-install test now on my beagle... May 19 17:29:08 well, my only planned feature is to make rootstock run rootless in maverick, if you have any additional ideas and code i'M happy to apply them as long as they dont break current behavior May 19 17:30:07 * ogra_cmpc curses the touchbook May 19 17:30:54 ogra_cmpc: If you are really having a lot of problems with the touchbook, you can always give it to me. :p May 19 17:31:01 cool.. i'm making sure it doesn't effect the x86/qemu routines.. the only big change is adding say a /tmp/is_native to the temperary image as a couple things in /bin/installer isn't good in a chroot... (the reboot was weird) May 19 17:31:13 GrueMaster, you wont have any fun with it May 19 17:31:34 rcn-ee: if you adjust to go native, you might find the "should this be native?" part of the qemu-debootstrap code helpful. A (poor) python implementation also exists in pbuilder-dist from ubuntu-dev-tools May 19 17:31:38 I'd have more fun than not having one. May 19 17:31:55 GrueMaster, the image they provide is totally broken (us squashfs for an installed image) May 19 17:32:05 Meh. May 19 17:32:10 the kernel isnt usable with anything else than that image May 19 17:32:24 since its heavily patched May 19 17:32:27 persia, if i detect arm, i'm using a simple chroot instead. .;) May 19 17:32:36 and apparently the patches they use are in no tree at all May 19 17:32:45 heh May 19 17:33:07 rcn-ee: See, that's precisely what I'm hoping you'd avoid. The same tool *ought* let you construct an i386 image on an armel device. May 19 17:33:21 I've had to build patches before when i didn't have access to an engineer's repository (assuming there was one). May 19 17:33:26 * persia considers an age when armel laptops are widely available and folks are hacking on little VIA boards. May 19 17:33:50 yeap, and this is only a temperary work around till qemu-kvm doesn't crash in x86.. ;) May 19 17:34:15 well, zyga made some progress but i dont think he solved the issue May 19 17:34:33 for me it works if i echo 3 into the alignment settings May 19 17:35:00 that kinda worked for me, it crashed later after umount/start taring.. ;) May 19 17:35:27 qemu-kvm doesn't crash on i386 as long as one uses qemu-user rather than qemu-system (although I seem to recall some reason that rootstock switched to use qemu-system in the past) May 19 17:35:49 ogra_cmpc: Remember, I used to work MID stuff before I came here. Redflag was really bad about taking a downstream kernel, applying all the patches before editing, then applying their own patches directly to the source tree before packaging. May 19 17:35:59 rcn-ee, the de-rootification might fix mount issues May 19 17:36:34 i'm still quite interested on how that's going to work.. ;) specially when creating/ mounting the image.. ;) May 19 17:37:22 using fuse ;) May 19 17:38:07 there is a fuse ext2 module May 19 17:38:14 i haven't looked too muhc into it, does that still allow writing and protection the root permissions.. May 19 17:38:58 yes May 19 17:39:11 have a look at the fuseext2 package May 19 17:39:33 we'll also use it for the new preinstalled images May 19 17:39:33 then it should work (fingers crossed) May 19 17:39:55 * ogra_cmpc will stop building installer images in maverick May 19 17:40:32 we'll rather provide preinstalled images you can just dd to the SD May 19 17:41:35 grrr May 19 17:41:40 damned touchbook May 19 17:41:42 yeah in a way those are nice... specially if you can use a windows tool to take the img to sd card... latest bug emailed to me.. May 19 17:42:22 you should have left it alone... ;) it's one arm device i haven't modified yet.. May 19 17:42:25 ogra_cmpc: Can you also add a cmdline option to rootstock to specify working directory other than /tmp? May 19 17:42:30 i could live with it not having a working display but that it starts to flash on random colors at full brightness if it cant init the panel really makes me mad May 19 17:42:52 GrueMaster, it respets $TMPDIR since day one May 19 17:43:10 as all ubuntu build tools do May 19 17:43:12 Oh. It's not in the manpage. May 19 17:43:23 thats a system seytting May 19 17:43:23 I did not know that. May 19 17:43:29 thx. May 19 17:43:43 It still ought be in the ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES section of the manpage. May 19 17:43:56 all ubuntu tools use $TMPDIR (with a fallback to /tmp) May 19 17:44:01 (wishlist bug) May 19 17:44:08 No they don't, unfortunately. May 19 17:44:12 persia, nah, come on thats common knowledge May 19 17:44:17 all the better ones do :) May 19 17:44:26 persia: assuming there were a section on ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES May 19 17:44:32 Doesn't mean it doesn't belong in the manpage. May 19 17:44:33 its not even a feature of rootstock but the shell May 19 17:44:50 GrueMaster: Something like that is one of the defined sections of manpages. May 19 17:44:55 ogra_cmpc: Hrm? How? May 19 17:45:06 well, mktemp rather :) May 19 17:45:15 OK. That makes sense. May 19 17:46:06 persia: Someone must have missed adding that section. It isn't in my man rootstock page. May 19 17:46:16 That said, I've seen TMPDIR=$(mktemp ...) in shell code before. May 19 17:46:26 thats sick May 19 17:46:30 GrueMaster: That I believe. It's an optional section, and often omitted. May 19 17:47:00 ogra_cmpc: This is why I say it's not "common knowledge". That declaration was from an Ubuntu image building tool (now long-obsolete) May 19 17:47:40 early vm builder ? May 19 17:47:49 * ogra_cmpc remembers a discussion May 19 17:48:10 GrueMaster, feel free to fix the manpage :) May 19 17:48:11 I was trying not to name any specifics, but yes :) May 19 17:48:35 i'll happily merge your bzr branch on launchpad May 19 17:48:39 * GrueMaster opens mouth - inserts foot. May 19 17:48:44 Note that the current vm-builder shares no code whatsoever with that implementation. May 19 17:48:53 indeed May 19 17:49:00 that was the shell version iirc May 19 17:50:47 And an early version of the shell version, which I broke rather spectacurlarly trying to run with /tmp on tmpfs on a 1G machine. May 19 17:50:50 argh !! May 19 17:51:13 touchbook uses linux/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c and adds a ton of patches to this file May 19 17:51:22 WTF May 19 17:51:33 why cant they introduce their own May 19 17:52:01 i guess that makes it unsupportable in ubuntu :( May 19 17:52:19 legacy. This is *why* we had a session on kernel integration and the benefits of a single kernel tree at UDS. May 19 17:52:27 yeah May 19 17:52:30 they should have a board-omap3touchbook.c ? May 19 17:52:32 tell *them* May 19 17:52:43 You don't even want to consider what was done to the kernel for the racing arcade unit I play. May 19 17:52:51 rcn-ee, something like that ... at least if they break beagle with their patches May 19 17:53:30 seems they modify DSS code and i suspect in a beagle incompatible way May 19 17:54:39 * rcn-ee heads back to work... May 19 18:55:32 LINUX WORKS ON HTC TOUCH PRO!!! YEAH! May 19 18:56:01 i finally should package FSO for ubuntu :( May 19 18:56:41 it seems that there're some interested hackers running GNU/linux on there smartphones May 19 18:57:04 s/there/their/ May 19 18:58:30 GFeind: Was it a fairly simple install, or was it complicated? May 19 18:58:44 playya_: Please :) May 19 18:59:28 i deleted the freesmartphone.org team on LP because we're not able to build for ARM May 19 18:59:50 Why can't you build for ARM? May 19 18:59:56 maybe in june on opensuse buildhost May 19 19:00:45 afaik LP doesn't allow arm builds for "normal" users because you keep the machines busy :P May 19 19:01:35 btw. anyone working on the palm pre? May 19 19:02:33 Oh, yeah, no PPAs. May 19 19:02:53 No reason you can't make it work though, and if you package it as part of Ubuntu, it gets built. May 19 19:03:09 Also, some folks (like me) have cell phones with i386, and there may be interest. May 19 19:04:59 atom based phones? May 19 19:05:14 is there a list of ARM consumer hardware Ubuntu runs on? May 19 19:06:11 pwnguin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport May 19 19:06:23 Although it needs updating. May 19 19:07:02 ooh May 19 19:07:04 maemo devices May 19 19:07:28 too bad there's too much closed stuff May 19 19:07:30 That page needs *lots* of love. May 19 19:08:00 hmm, guess the panda needs to be added May 19 19:08:52 closed devices could be opened sometimes, but there're some devices which are using trsuted computing and foo May 19 19:09:10 like motorola devices May 19 19:10:12 Added beagleboard. May 19 19:10:16 a number of pxa3xx based devices and some OMAP3 based use the trusted computing methods as well May 19 19:11:38 the milestone uses an OMAP3 :( May 19 19:12:40 * persia uses trusted compuiting regularly for increasing the availability of /dev/random May 19 19:12:52 The key is *how* it's used, not what it is. May 19 19:13:53 the milestone signes the kernel, the basic rootfs and the bootloader May 19 19:14:18 and it's just to avoid "piracy" May 19 19:15:07 as if copying an open source OS is considered "piracy". May 19 19:15:55 no. you shouldn't be able to install apps which are not downloaded from the app store May 19 19:16:05 (I have seen some ISP's hammer users for using bittorrent to pull Linux ISO's). May 19 19:16:13 This is why it's handy to have killer apps that are GPLv3. May 19 19:16:41 playya_: That's odd. I can on my Droid. May 19 19:17:00 Must be an AT&T thing. May 19 19:17:50 i know. the droid doesn't use it May 19 19:18:05 that's why i bought the milestone May 19 19:20:03 now i own a palm pre for hacking and a milestone to play solitaire May 19 19:23:37 was simple May 19 19:23:41 the install May 19 19:23:45 and sorry was afk May 19 19:24:39 i just had to download the files May 19 19:24:46 copy them on SD May 19 19:25:03 than run HARET.EXE and... May 19 19:25:26 nearly everything works May 19 19:25:27 :D May 19 19:26:34 and playa: good idea BUT: if u want to play take the iphone May 19 19:26:37 :D May 19 19:26:55 maybe during the summertime May 19 19:27:07 just a question May 19 19:27:18 how much do you earn in a month??? May 19 19:27:27 apple wants to release iphoneOS4 -> cheap older iphones, ipods May 19 19:27:30 i mean having 3 smatphones May 19 19:27:32 * playya_ is a student May 19 19:27:37 aha May 19 19:27:40 ok May 19 19:27:56 i gave 2 of my phones to my parents May 19 19:28:04 sold or gave May 19 19:28:10 gave May 19 19:28:20 good May 19 19:28:29 cheap samsung and a n95 8GB May 19 19:28:50 now i only have a milestone, pre, freerunner (and n800) May 19 19:29:07 if your parents just want to use them as phones they are enaugh May 19 19:29:08 :D May 19 20:30:59 rcn-ee, installing the system on a beagle is really really slow; you sure you want this rootstock? :p May 19 20:31:48 (brings up a deboostrapped image with run-once installer and u-boot scripts May 19 20:41:09 * cwillu_at_work concludes his wear-levelling tests, and begins his power-loss tests May 19 20:46:35 ugh, that approach won't work under karmic May 19 20:46:40 for me at least :p May 19 20:47:13 end up loading directly onto btrfs instead of ext2, so the dpkg bug will bite May 19 20:47:49 so I end up with two completely different approaches to generating sdcards depending on whether I'm targeting karmic or lucid May 19 20:58:28 I'd say, don't bother with Karmic? May 19 20:58:32 Or do you mean Lucid and Maverick? May 19 20:59:42 no, but on the other hand, I have a working product under karmic, which means I want to be able to continue making those images for at least a little while May 19 21:01:11 Ah. May 19 21:01:15 and making images on the actual hardware is _slow_ May 19 21:01:46 what with real device io rather than everything really being in a ramfs May 19 21:01:51 tmpfs rather May 19 22:29:45 cwillu_at_work, i haven't benched chroot vs qemu yet.. but it was sucessful for installing netbook-image... (i also have relatively fast harddrives on the usb bus on the beagle.s..) May 19 22:31:33 crap, looks like have the wrong order, what's the proper order to umount /dev/pts, /proc and /sys ? May 19 22:33:35 there's a proper order? May 19 22:34:26 does it complain about it being in use? May 19 22:36:26 yeah, it's complaining about /tmp/imagelocation/dev/pts: device is busy... i threw a sync in before the umount but still no go, so i'm think order.. May 19 22:41:40 umount -l should work May 19 22:42:07 yay, new zippy2 and more expensive sd cards arrived \o/ May 19 22:42:32 lazy umount.. i'll give that a quick run.. May 19 22:47:13 yay, I burned out another cheap sdcard :) May 19 22:47:44 are you comparing them to the expensive ones? May 19 22:48:05 not any more May 19 22:48:10 now I'm just using them up building images May 19 23:18:08 heh, the write protect switch on this one (which is actually labelled as such) isn't actually wired to anything May 19 23:18:17 oh, nvm May 19 23:18:27 I guess that's the reader's responsibility, isn't it May 19 23:19:05 that's correct.. i just found that out myself too last week.. broken sd socket on a imx31... really secure.. ;) May 19 23:19:34 I never used the switch myself anyway May 19 23:20:17 okay, I'm off for supper, later :) May 19 23:20:24 later May 20 00:02:11 venGm May 20 00:14:33 GrueMaster: You may want to verify that ^^ isn't a significant string. May 20 00:14:58 it isn't. May 20 00:15:55 System keeps shifting focus while I am typing. It is partial password to a test system in my network. May 20 00:16:06 Not even a useful account. May 20 00:16:20 And hopefully one that isn't remote-accessible :) May 20 00:18:04 random amusing comment in a thread about wifi troubles on a beagleboard: May 20 00:18:10 "Switching to short barker preamble..." May 20 00:18:21 "Well, there's your problem: everyone knows beagles are LONG barkers." **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 20 03:00:00 2010