**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 01 02:59:57 2010
Jun 01 07:09:03 <hrw> morning
Jun 01 07:20:26 * cwillu yawns
Jun 01 07:27:50 <DanaG> ureadahead invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=0, oom_adj=0
Jun 01 07:27:52 <DanaG> nice.
Jun 01 07:28:02 <ogra> what HW is that ?
Jun 01 07:28:26 <DanaG> beagleboard.
Jun 01 07:28:32 <ogra> board, disk type, ram etc
Jun 01 07:28:41 <ogra> on SD card or USB key ?
Jun 01 07:28:48 <ogra> and do you have swap ?
Jun 01 07:28:51 <DanaG> Booted from 2GB SD card (that's 90% full), no swap.
Jun 01 07:29:10 <ogra> graphical env or only cmdline ?
Jun 01 07:29:10 <DanaG> oh, and: on host: hub 8-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1     usb 8-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9      usb 8-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Jun 01 07:29:22 <DanaG> Commmand line, with some extra stuff (such as deluge).
Jun 01 07:29:35 <DanaG> Xorg is installed, but no display or login manager.
Jun 01 07:29:43 <ogra> hmm, i havent seen a beagle hitting OOM in a cmdline env yet
Jun 01 07:29:56 <ogra> is that a rev B ?
Jun 01 07:30:00 <ogra> (128M)
Jun 01 07:30:29 <DanaG> Nope, C4.
Jun 01 07:30:43 <ogra> hmm, thats indeed very weird
Jun 01 07:30:45 <DanaG> where's that ureadahead pack file?
Jun 01 07:33:00 <ogra> man ureadahead tells you
Jun 01 07:33:25 <DanaG> ah, I thought it was /var/lib/ureadahead/pack
Jun 01 07:33:28 <DanaG> File doesn't exist.
Jun 01 07:33:35 <ogra> though ureadahead should gracefully exit on Sd cards anyway
Jun 01 07:33:48 <ogra> with code 5 iirc
Jun 01 07:35:50 <DanaG> argh, tried to load g_audio, and got screenfuls of panic.
Jun 01 07:36:31 <ogra> g_audio ? isnt that OTG stuff ?
Jun 01 07:36:41 <DanaG> yeah.
Jun 01 07:36:51 <ogra> OTG is broken in the kernel still
Jun 01 07:37:08 <DanaG> I hope we'll get musb built-in but all the modules... modular.
Jun 01 07:37:16 <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/566645
Jun 01 07:37:18 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566645 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "OTG configuration is broken on omap kernel (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed]
Jun 01 07:37:19 <DanaG> So then I can choose to use g_audio instead of g_ether, or such.
Jun 01 07:37:43 <DanaG> It also rather oddly hangs lsusb on the host.
Jun 01 07:37:46 <ogra> basically we dont have musb atm
Jun 01 07:39:21 <DanaG> I wonder why it doesn't work as a module.
Jun 01 07:41:08 <ogra> i think it didnt work compiled in either
Jun 01 07:41:30 <ogra> amitk would know, he ported the patch back then
Jun 01 07:42:46 <amitk> no porting involved, it was the state of musb in 2.6.33
Jun 01 07:42:47 <ogra> cooloney, can you make sure that our omap4 kernel has the same config for udebs as the omap3 one ? i think the files under debian.ti-omap/d-i/modules/ rule that, probably you can just copy them over
Jun 01 07:45:49 <cooloney> ogra: the d-i files in omap4 was copied from omap3 debian.ti-omap/d-i/modules/
Jun 01 07:46:04 <cooloney> ogra: they are the same, i never change that.
Jun 01 07:46:42 <ogra> they recently changed :)
Jun 01 07:47:20 <ogra> i just checked the nic-usb-modules package yesterday and its missing the same modules the omap3 one did
Jun 01 07:48:00 <ogra> mathieu added a fix afaik it was accepted to the tree already
Jun 01 07:50:25 <amitk> ... and that is why we are moving to a unified debian tree. That will be sync'ed across all branches, all releases.
Jun 01 07:53:20 <cooloney> ogra: oh yeah, i noticed that. will check it later. maybe just apply mathieu's patch
Jun 01 07:53:37 <ogra> that should be fine
Jun 01 07:55:30 <DanaG> also weird: cnetworkmanager --syscon doesn't list the wireless connection I stuck in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
Jun 01 07:57:30 <DanaG> And it also ignores my "Wired Network" connection by that name, and instead creates an "Auto eth0".
Jun 01 08:03:31 <DanaG> I've never managed to get headless NetworkManager to work well.
Jun 01 08:52:51 <Laibsch> Hi everyone
Jun 01 08:53:15 <XorA> hey Laibsch
Jun 01 08:53:22 <Laibsch> XorA!
Jun 01 08:53:29 <XorA> Laibsch: joining the ubuntu party?
Jun 01 08:53:30 <Laibsch> I'm a bit surprised to find you here
Jun 01 08:53:42 <Laibsch> I think I probably was here earlier than you ;-)
Jun 01 08:53:48 <Laibsch> But probably not as active
Jun 01 08:54:07 <Laibsch> I always you'd never budge from being a staunch Debian user and Ubuntu-loather
Jun 01 08:54:14 <Laibsch> Good to see you here
Jun 01 08:54:16 * XorA is paid to be here :-D
Jun 01 08:54:22 <Laibsch> are you?
Jun 01 08:54:29 * XorA is a fedora user
Jun 01 08:54:30 <Laibsch> more power to you
Jun 01 08:55:00 <Laibsch> they should only hire people that at least have a Ubuntu tattoo to show their commitment
Jun 01 08:55:07 <Laibsch> anything less makes no sense ;-)
Jun 01 08:55:09 <XorA> hehe
Jun 01 08:55:21 <XorA> that might be why at UDS they kept trying to get me intot the "dark" room :-D
Jun 01 08:55:35 <Laibsch> probably
Jun 01 08:55:55 * XorA is on contract with TI which is working on ubuntu stuff
Jun 01 08:56:28 <Laibsch> I see
Jun 01 08:56:35 <lool> XorA: Are you based in Nice?
Jun 01 08:56:45 <XorA> lool: Scotland :-D
Jun 01 08:56:59 <lool> Didn't know TI had a Scotland office
Jun 01 08:56:59 * XorA has been in Nice
Jun 01 08:57:09 <XorA> lool: they dont, I contract
Jun 01 08:57:25 <lool> XorA: Well too bad we failed meeting at UDS then, I dont think I had the chance to chat with you, or if I did I failed I associated name and face
Jun 01 08:57:25 * XorA is actually based in Dallas office
Jun 01 08:57:36 <neure> anyone used http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#NetInstall_Method ?
Jun 01 08:57:43 <neure> i get a kernel panic on boot :/
Jun 01 08:57:43 <lool> Oh you're based in Dallas, then I might see who you are
Jun 01 08:57:55 <XorA> lool: I was hanging with the TI dudes mostly, you would have found me in Xorg and ALSA talks
Jun 01 08:58:00 <Laibsch> lool: XorA is also one of the OE crowd
Jun 01 08:58:16 <amitk> XorA: not everyone is perfect, I hope you don't miss the bus to salvation ;-p
Jun 01 08:58:28 <amitk> (just kidding)
Jun 01 08:58:31 <Laibsch> hurry, doors are closing ;-)
Jun 01 08:58:38 * Laibsch hears that all the time
Jun 01 08:58:51 <neure> http://www.pastie.org/986954
Jun 01 08:58:55 <neure> any suggestions?
Jun 01 08:59:00 <Laibsch> actually it's "please don't hurry or rush, doors are closing" ;)
Jun 01 08:59:09 <XorA> amitk: hehe, Im too old for distro wars
Jun 01 09:01:39 <hrw> amitk: better not start - he will try to move you from ubuntu to angstrom
Jun 01 09:02:15 <amitk> hrw: I've used OE before for the Zaurus 5500
Jun 01 09:02:40 <Laibsch> doesn't the Z predate OE?
Jun 01 09:02:42 * XorA still has a 5500
Jun 01 09:02:49 * Laibsch too
Jun 01 09:02:49 * amitk too
Jun 01 09:02:57 <XorA> where is the ubuntu port?
Jun 01 09:03:00 <Laibsch> not more than one meter away ;-)
Jun 01 09:03:08 <Laibsch> XorA: working on it ;-)
Jun 01 09:03:15 <Laibsch> but probably impossible
Jun 01 09:03:18 <hrw> Laibsch: no, OE was made as replacement for OpenZaurus build system
Jun 01 09:03:29 <Laibsch> hrw: yes, I know
Jun 01 09:03:32 <neure> amitk, did you have some preinstalled image of ubuntu somewhere?
Jun 01 09:03:38 * hrw does not have 5500 - donated to 2.6 hacker
Jun 01 09:03:43 <ogra_cmpc> there is a jaunty port for the zaurus somewhere
Jun 01 09:03:44 <XorA> Laibsch: if I knew how to rebuild full ubuntu easilly it would be real easy to do an armv4 port
Jun 01 09:03:48 <Laibsch> hrw: therefore the Z was there before OE
Jun 01 09:03:49 <DanaG> yeah, and it failed miserably last time I tried one.
Jun 01 09:03:51 <XorA> Laibsch: I just need a build farm
Jun 01 09:03:57 <DanaG> Kernel didn't have ucb1x00_ts enabled, or such.
Jun 01 09:04:28 <hrw> Laibsch: ah yes...
Jun 01 09:04:32 <amitk> neure: preinstall image? Not for Lucid. We will have preinstalled images for Maverick though.
Jun 01 09:04:56 <neure> :/
Jun 01 09:05:06 <neure> anything that i could try?
Jun 01 09:05:36 <ogra_cmpc> neure, that netinst image uses a kernel from rcn-ee, wait for him to be around
Jun 01 09:06:16 <ogra_cmpc> oh i lied, its hardy that was ported to the zaurus
Jun 01 09:06:18 <ogra_cmpc> http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry081030-074514
Jun 01 09:06:54 <amitk> neure: did you try with a different usb-ethernet adapter?
Jun 01 09:07:08 <ogra_cmpc> use an asix or pegasus based one
Jun 01 09:07:26 <neure> amitk, no, i dont think i have one
Jun 01 09:07:38 <neure> i could perhaps get the apple one
Jun 01 09:07:42 <neure> is it known to work?
Jun 01 09:07:54 <ogra_cmpc> also did you file a bug aboout your partitioning error ?
Jun 01 09:08:09 <neure> no, i didnt
Jun 01 09:08:11 <ogra_cmpc> its very likely that you will hit it again even with a netinstall
Jun 01 09:08:26 <neure> maybe
Jun 01 09:08:32 <neure> if i do i can try to file a report
Jun 01 09:08:37 <neure> but its just 'doesnt work'
Jun 01 09:08:58 <ogra_cmpc> well, thats not a proper erro description we accept here :)
Jun 01 09:09:45 <neure> hmm
Jun 01 09:09:48 <neure> i have bootargs=vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:800x600-16@60 console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootwait
Jun 01 09:10:01 <neure> i wonder what i should have in order to use this rcn-ee thing
Jun 01 09:10:42 <ogra_cmpc> no idea
Jun 01 09:10:55 <ogra_cmpc> rootwait is definately wrong for the official images
Jun 01 09:11:05 <neure> what does it mean?
Jun 01 09:11:10 <ogra_cmpc> but you might need it in rcn"s
Jun 01 09:11:19 <hrw> makes kernel wait for rootfs device to appear
Jun 01 09:11:26 <ogra_cmpc> it means to wait for the rootfs device until it shows up
Jun 01 09:11:51 <ogra_cmpc> since ubuntu always uses an initramfs in the official images thats not needed
Jun 01 09:12:09 <ogra_cmpc> we also boot in ro mode by default
Jun 01 09:12:20 <ogra_cmpc> because mountall remounts rw after fsck
Jun 01 09:13:41 <neure> hmm
Jun 01 09:14:36 <lool> mattman wrote me that he managed to boot to a console using our ti-omap kernel + qemu-maemo!   :-)
Jun 01 09:14:39 <Laibsch> XorA: lool shared with me a couple of blueprints discussed at UDS: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m?searchtext=arm-
Jun 01 09:15:05 <Laibsch> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-cross-compilers looks like something you and I may be interested in
Jun 01 09:15:07 <neure> if i have this 16GB mmc card inserted, i get this: http://www.pastie.org/986970
Jun 01 09:15:14 <neure> is something wrong?
Jun 01 09:16:01 <XorA> lool: have you been to Nice BTW?
Jun 01 09:16:04 <neure> if i dont have it in there, i get http://www.pastie.org/986971
Jun 01 09:16:07 <lool> XorA: I came to visit, yes
Jun 01 09:16:12 <Laibsch> XorA: Ubuntu on ARM is still very young and evolving, so I have a hard time (and not enough of it)to keep up with the status
Jun 01 09:16:13 <lool> For a couple of days only
Jun 01 09:16:23 <lool> I wouldn't mind going back  :-)
Jun 01 09:16:26 <lool> it's an easy ride
Jun 01 09:16:28 <XorA> lool: same meeting as persia jumped out of hotel?
Jun 01 09:16:33 <lool> haha yes
Jun 01 09:16:38 <XorA> lool: you met me then
Jun 01 09:16:43 <lool> I was his translator in the hospital  :-)
Jun 01 09:17:02 <lool> XorA: I missed the morning meeting, but I think I saw you Monday afternoon
Jun 01 09:17:18 <lool> XorA: I am the guy who talked about cross-compilation
Jun 01 09:17:36 <XorA> lool: I was all in black wearing New Rocks
Jun 01 09:17:44 <XorA> lool: from weds onwards I had my nails painted
Jun 01 09:17:50 <ogra> Laibsch, i wouldnt call 1.5 years "young" :)
Jun 01 09:18:01 <Laibsch> I would ;-)
Jun 01 09:18:04 <lool> XorA: I only stayed until Tuesday evening I'm afraid
Jun 01 09:18:13 <lool> I missed the fingernails
Jun 01 09:18:39 <ogra> lool, he had them painted at UDS too
Jun 01 09:18:53 <neure> could it be that there is an issue with the sdcard?
Jun 01 09:19:07 <neure> could that be causing issues for server installer?
Jun 01 09:19:25 * XorA should get his hair hot pink to make it wasier to spot :-D
Jun 01 09:19:31 <hrw> I remember how someone asked me 'why XorA paints his fingernails' ;d
Jun 01 09:19:54 <ogra> neure, your paste shows that you dont have a second partition
Jun 01 09:20:03 <neure> ogra, that is correct
Jun 01 09:20:10 <hrw> libnih - for all those with NIH problem?
Jun 01 09:20:22 <ogra> hrw, yeah *g*
Jun 01 09:20:29 <XorA> hrw: your answer?
Jun 01 09:20:33 <neure> ogra, that is sdcard with ubuntu installer on it,  created by script by rcn-ee..
Jun 01 09:20:37 <ogra> neure, then how do you expect it to boot from mmcblk0p2 ?
Jun 01 09:20:55 <hrw> XorA: because he can
Jun 01 09:21:01 <neure> well he doesnt tell what i should have as bootargs :(
Jun 01 09:21:12 <XorA> hrw: nice catch :-D
Jun 01 09:21:18 <hrw> XorA: I do not care how people look as long as they are fine with it
Jun 01 09:21:21 <neure> i tried to change it to p1 but that didnt help
Jun 01 09:22:01 <XorA> hrw: this is why I like working in linux, in the windows world I would always be the freak
Jun 01 09:22:11 * XorA isnt good with suits
Jun 01 09:22:20 <ogra> neure, for netinstall you dont set root=
Jun 01 09:22:31 <ogra> it needs to load the initrd as rootfs
Jun 01 09:24:21 <neure> ogra, http://www.pastie.org/986979  -- without root
Jun 01 09:24:46 <ogra> how did you load the initrd ?
Jun 01 09:24:57 <neure> i dont know...
Jun 01 09:25:59 <amitk> :)
Jun 01 09:26:36 <neure> http://www.pastie.org/986986
Jun 01 09:26:38 <neure> like this
Jun 01 09:28:26 <neure> bootcmd=mmc init;fatload mmc 0 80300000 uImage;bootm 80300000
Jun 01 09:28:37 <neure> thats my bootcmd i wonder if thats ok?
Jun 01 09:28:41 <ogra> thats definately not right
Jun 01 09:28:45 <neure> great
Jun 01 09:28:46 <ogra> wait for rcn-ee
Jun 01 09:28:49 <neure> what should it be?)
Jun 01 09:29:00 <ogra> i guess he has a boot.scr file somewhere
Jun 01 09:29:07 <ogra> i have no clue about the unofficial images
Jun 01 09:35:43 <neure> lunch
Jun 01 09:36:35 <cwillu_at_work> neure, what's the problem?
Jun 01 09:49:52 <ogra> asac, x-loader and u-boot with XM support are in maverick now
Jun 01 09:50:22 <lool> ogra: Cool
Jun 01 09:50:57 * ogra ponders about the x-loader-omap4 versioning
Jun 01 09:51:19 <ogra> lool, i have x-loader-omap4-L24.6-p1git20100520 what would you do with the L ?
Jun 01 09:51:42 <ogra> (its TI versioning for the omap4 branches, u-boot has that too)
Jun 01 09:52:28 <ogra> i'm inclined to just ignore th elintian warning, but we'll get probs if we ever have a unified x-loader package (not that i expect that to happen)
Jun 01 09:53:28 <lool> ogra: the L?
Jun 01 09:53:35 <ogra> -L24.6-p1git20100520
Jun 01 09:53:40 <ogra> is the version
Jun 01 09:53:51 <ogra> L24.6-p1 is what TI calls the release
Jun 01 09:53:56 <lool> It shouldn't be a problem for pdkg
Jun 01 09:53:57 <lool> dpkg
Jun 01 09:54:06 <lool> You can have as many dashes as you like
Jun 01 09:54:10 <ogra> well, usually x-loader is 1.1.4 or some such
Jun 01 09:54:17 <lool> It would be good to understand how they relate
Jun 01 09:54:23 <lool> Is it a 1.1.4 + patches?
Jun 01 09:54:26 <ogra> if we get a unified u-boot or x-loader package we'll struggle with the versions
Jun 01 09:55:11 <lool> ogra: I understand x-loader is a TI only project, so eventually everything will go upstream, right?
Jun 01 09:55:16 <ogra> i think its based on 1.1.4 but TI always uses L (for linux) 2.6 (kernel main version) -p* published version
Jun 01 09:55:41 <ogra> x-loader will even vanish soon and just become a binary header to u-boot.bimn
Jun 01 09:55:43 <ogra> *bin
Jun 01 09:56:02 <ogra> but still, the u-boot-omap4 version has the same issue
Jun 01 09:56:31 <ogra> i'd actually like to use their versioning, but once jcrigby is done and we have a unified numeric version it will force an epoch
Jun 01 09:56:59 <lool> ogra: If you're taking full tarballs from them, make sure the origin is reflected in the source package name and use their versions
Jun 01 09:57:03 <ogra> at least for conflict/replacing the binary versions
Jun 01 09:57:27 <lool> Well we could use different binary package names and provide an upgrade path
Jun 01 09:57:42 <ogra> i expect jcrigby's work to result in a u-boot source but u-boot-omap3 and omap4 binary packages
Jun 01 09:57:49 <ogra> hmm
Jun 01 09:57:54 <ogra> indeed, that would work
Jun 01 09:58:03 <ogra> ok, i'll keep the original TI versioning
Jun 01 09:58:09 <ogra> lool, thanks
Jun 01 09:59:02 <ogra> (effectively it doesnt matter anyway, i dont think anyone will actually use the binaires directly, they are for the image build system)
Jun 01 10:00:27 <asac> ogra: flash-kernel on omap is kinda destructive
Jun 01 10:00:45 <ogra> asac, yes, that'll change for maverick
Jun 01 10:00:46 <asac> why dont you use the defaults that are in the uboot source?
Jun 01 10:00:54 <asac> that looks really generic and good enough
Jun 01 10:01:04 <ogra> asac, because upstream u-boot has no concept for an initrd
Jun 01 10:01:19 <ogra> and we cant use boot.scr if we use NAND
Jun 01 10:01:30 <ogra> maverick will change that completely
Jun 01 10:02:25 <hrw> re
Jun 01 10:02:27 <asac> ogra: hmm. we cant use boot.scr if we use nand? why is that?
Jun 01 10:02:43 <ogra> because boot.scr only works from vfat
Jun 01 10:02:45 <asac> the default that is in uboot seems to do the right thing .. checks if sdcard is there
Jun 01 10:02:51 <ogra> right
Jun 01 10:02:52 <asac> otherwise uses nandboot
Jun 01 10:03:01 <ogra> but has no concept of initrd at all
Jun 01 10:03:09 <ogra> anyway, lucid is done
Jun 01 10:03:11 <asac> well. thats simple to add imo
Jun 01 10:03:18 <ogra> maverick will change the whole concept
Jun 01 10:03:30 <asac> ogra: right. problem is that once you install lucid you cant install anything else anymore ...
Jun 01 10:03:32 <ogra> since we ship our own u-boot now
Jun 01 10:03:40 <ogra> you can update the setup
Jun 01 10:03:46 <ogra> i'll take care for that
Jun 01 10:04:08 <asac> ah you didnt ship your own uboot
Jun 01 10:04:09 <asac> kk
Jun 01 10:04:13 <ogra> if you have a better concept, feel free to do an SRU
Jun 01 10:04:13 <asac> my image has that
Jun 01 10:04:18 <asac> thats the problem then
Jun 01 10:04:32 <asac> all fine
Jun 01 10:04:38 <ogra> oki
Jun 01 10:04:52 <ogra> time was to short in lucid to change the whole image build system
Jun 01 10:05:00 <ogra> which is why i relied on NAND
Jun 01 10:05:47 <ogra> asac, btw, any final word on the naming discussion?
Jun 01 10:05:50 <ogra> :)
Jun 01 10:06:01 <ogra> i'll start with the tool this afternoon
Jun 01 10:06:11 <ogra> (after the mobile meeting)
Jun 01 10:09:39 <asac> ogra: remind me about what naming discussion that is ;)
Jun 01 10:09:49 <ogra> asac, casper :)
Jun 01 10:10:09 <ogra> see the spec whiteboard
Jun 01 10:10:24 <asac> heh
Jun 01 10:10:27 <asac> ogra: EDONTCARE ;)
Jun 01 10:10:35 <ogra> ok
Jun 01 10:10:37 <asac> let me see whats going on on whiteboard
Jun 01 10:10:46 * asac didnt intent do raise a long discussion
Jun 01 10:10:51 <ogra> btw, i didnt bother to rename the specs since th eteam will likely be renamed soon
Jun 01 10:11:08 <ogra> and i didnt want to do the renaming twice
Jun 01 10:11:15 <asac> ogra: well. but it was tough to find
Jun 01 10:11:21 <asac> ogra: can you paste the url again ;)
Jun 01 10:11:24 <asac> i wont be able to find it
Jun 01 10:11:25 <ogra> yeah, agreed
Jun 01 10:11:37 <ogra> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/preinstalled-sd-card-images-for-omap
Jun 01 10:13:50 <ogra> hrm, no NCommander
Jun 01 10:14:01 <ogra> he had a task to care for libnih before the meeting
Jun 01 10:15:06 <ogra> oh, now upstart failed completely ... no wonder i dont find libnih on the ftbfs list :P
Jun 01 10:16:29 <ogra> hmm, funny, i dont see any recent upload
Jun 01 10:17:24 <Laibsch> How does one start to build Ubuntu for ARM from scratch?
Jun 01 10:17:35 <Laibsch> I thought about starting from Jaunty and then recompiling packages
Jun 01 10:17:45 <Laibsch> But Jaunty requires armv5t
Jun 01 10:18:09 * ogra wonders why you would recompile
Jun 01 10:18:15 <Laibsch> I was wondering how to inflict a lot of pain on myself and base it off armv4
Jun 01 10:18:16 <hrw> Laibsch: you have armv4t?
Jun 01 10:18:22 <ogra> aww
Jun 01 10:18:30 <hrw> Laibsch: armv4? strongarm?
Jun 01 10:18:30 <Laibsch> XorA seemed to be interested in it
Jun 01 10:18:49 <Laibsch> this is as much about getting binaries as it is about learning the steps
Jun 01 10:19:03 <ogra> iirc there was a spec about rebuilding the whole distro for other arm versions
Jun 01 10:19:04 <lool> Laibsch: The way mojo did it and which is proven to work is to rebuild the archive multiple times against itself
Jun 01 10:19:09 <ogra> not sure where it went though
Jun 01 10:19:41 <hrw> Laibsch: grab as fast arm buildd as possible, install ubuntu and do rebuilds for armv4/eabi? nightmare task
Jun 01 10:19:43 <Laibsch> lool: take Jaunty and rebuild the toolchain packages, then reiterate?
Jun 01 10:20:07 <Laibsch> I see
Jun 01 10:20:14 <lool> Laibsch: Take whatever Ubuntu version, change the toolchain, rebuild the modified archive against itself, rebuild again and again
Jun 01 10:20:27 <Laibsch> Maybe sticking with armv5t is a better idea then (probably plenty of pain as is ;-))
Jun 01 10:20:28 <lool> I'd recommend taking the latest version of Ubuntu
Jun 01 10:20:39 <lool> (for rebuilds)
Jun 01 10:20:44 <Laibsch> OK
Jun 01 10:20:54 <ogra> or get some more recent HW :)
Jun 01 10:21:17 <ogra> money seems the easiest solution for your prob
Jun 01 10:21:19 <Laibsch> Where is the armv7 vs. armv5t vs. armv4 switch?
Jun 01 10:21:32 <Laibsch> ogra: you don't seem to understand my prob
Jun 01 10:21:39 <ogra> jaunty v5, karmic v6, lucid v7
Jun 01 10:21:40 <Laibsch> I don't have a particular prob
Jun 01 10:22:14 <ogra> the switch is done in the compiler defaults iirc
Jun 01 10:22:14 <Laibsch> ogra: See my comment 19:18:49
Jun 01 10:22:26 <Laibsch> ogra: thanks
Jun 01 10:22:35 <Laibsch> XorA: ^^^
Jun 01 10:43:47 <Laibsch> lool: Is there a way to find out if the numbers of compile iterations have been sufficient or not?
Jun 01 10:44:07 <Laibsch> debdiff $deb1 $deb2?
Jun 01 10:44:14 <Laibsch> or something like that?
Jun 01 11:03:53 <neure> back
Jun 01 11:04:10 <neure> cwillu_at_work, i am having hard time installing ubuntu on my beagleboard C2
Jun 01 11:04:22 <cwillu_at_work> can you be more specific? :)
Jun 01 11:04:37 <cwillu_at_work> are you using rootstock?
Jun 01 11:04:43 <neure> no... 1) installer doesnt recognize my moschip network usb to etherner adapter
Jun 01 11:04:46 <ogra> 'doesnt work'
Jun 01 11:04:47 <ogra> :P
Jun 01 11:04:57 <neure> 2) server installer fails to format usb stick
Jun 01 11:05:15 <cwillu_at_work> you should use rootstock :D
Jun 01 11:05:22 <neure> i guess so then
Jun 01 11:05:41 <neure> im trying to figure out how to boot http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
Jun 01 11:05:56 <neure> but i dont know what boot environment variables it needs
Jun 01 11:06:13 <cwillu_at_work> which, the kernel, or u-boot?
Jun 01 11:06:20 <neure> any
Jun 01 11:06:26 <cwillu_at_work> c2 will have a pretty old u-boot, but it should still boot fine
Jun 01 11:06:39 <neure> should i upgrade?
Jun 01 11:06:52 <cwillu_at_work> neure, have you done ./setup_sdcard.sh --mmc /dev/sdX --uboot beagle?
Jun 01 11:06:59 <neure> cwillu_at_work,  yes
Jun 01 11:07:19 <cwillu_at_work> and you booted with the user button held down?
Jun 01 11:07:24 <neure> yes
Jun 01 11:07:26 <cwillu_at_work> you have a serial line hooked up?
Jun 01 11:07:34 <neure> yes
Jun 01 11:07:38 <neure> i can see kernel booting
Jun 01 11:07:44 <cwillu_at_work> what's the kernel panic?
Jun 01 11:07:45 <neure> but then it fails to figure out where is root
Jun 01 11:07:53 <ogra> cwillu_at_work, iirc his u-boot doesnt load boot.scr
Jun 01 11:07:59 <ogra> by default
Jun 01 11:08:19 <cwillu_at_work> neure, boot up, and pull up the u-boot prompt over serial
Jun 01 11:08:24 <neure> if i have some root= in boot args, it fails to mount that
Jun 01 11:08:27 <cwillu_at_work> neure, tell me what the bootargs are set to
Jun 01 11:08:47 <neure> bootargs=vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:800x600-16@60 console=ttyS2,115200n8
Jun 01 11:08:58 <cwillu_at_work> neure, and the card mounts fine on a desktop, and you properly unmounted it?
Jun 01 11:08:59 <neure> bootcmd=mmc init;fatload mmc 0 80300000 uImage;bootm 80300000
Jun 01 11:09:05 <neure> yes
Jun 01 11:09:12 <neure> the card has only one partition
Jun 01 11:09:18 <neure> boot fails it says it cant find init
Jun 01 11:09:23 <cwillu_at_work> neure, you'll need "rootwait root=/..." in bootargs
Jun 01 11:09:32 <neure> root= what?
Jun 01 11:09:43 <cwillu_at_work> root=/dev/mmcblk0p1
Jun 01 11:09:47 <ndec> ogra: hi
Jun 01 11:09:50 <neure> iirc i tried it
Jun 01 11:09:51 <ogra> ndec, hey
Jun 01 11:09:53 <neure> let me try again
Jun 01 11:09:54 <cwillu_at_work> or mmcblk0p2 if it's a second partition
Jun 01 11:09:58 <cwillu_at_work> neure, you had rootwait as well?
Jun 01 11:10:02 <neure> yes
Jun 01 11:10:10 <neure> let me try and get you the message
Jun 01 11:10:20 <ndec> ogra: if I want to get automatic login on the console by default, what's the easiest way?
Jun 01 11:10:37 <ogra> ndec, i think asac has a script for that
Jun 01 11:10:40 <ndec> ogra: I don't need root login, so any user is okay
Jun 01 11:10:44 <ogra> though thats rootlogin by default
Jun 01 11:10:56 <ndec> ogra: that's okay too...
Jun 01 11:11:06 <ogra> asac, ?? ^^^
Jun 01 11:11:46 <cwillu_at_work> ndec, /etc/init/tty1.conf sets up the login prompt on tty1
Jun 01 11:11:53 <neure> cwillu_at_work, i get [   24.414520] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.
Jun 01 11:12:12 <cwillu_at_work> o_O
Jun 01 11:12:20 <cwillu_at_work> neure, try init=/bin/bash
Jun 01 11:12:25 <cwillu_at_work> oh, wait
Jun 01 11:12:30 <cwillu_at_work> one sec
Jun 01 11:12:48 <cwillu_at_work> neure, your rootstock failed probably
Jun 01 11:12:55 <cwillu_at_work> neure, which qemu packages did you isntall?
Jun 01 11:13:05 <ndec> cwillu_at_work: but i want autologin. i have automatic tests that reboot the board and run afterwards, so I need to make sure that I can autologin
Jun 01 11:13:05 <neure> i didnt
Jun 01 11:13:10 <neure> cwillu_at_work,  i used http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
Jun 01 11:13:28 <cwillu_at_work> ndec, that's nice.
Jun 01 11:13:44 <ndec> cwillu_at_work: what is nice?
Jun 01 11:13:47 <cwillu_at_work> ndec, it's almost like I was giving you exact hint you need, and you missed it ;)
Jun 01 11:15:32 <cwillu_at_work> neure, install qemu-kvm-extras-static, and rerun rootstock and remake the card
Jun 01 11:15:44 <neure> cwillu_at_work,  i was trying "NetInstall Method" on that page
Jun 01 11:15:55 <neure> i havent run rootstock at all
Jun 01 11:16:20 <neure> how much rootstock needs diskspace?
Jun 01 11:16:25 <neure> i dont have much on my vmware  :/
Jun 01 11:16:55 <cwillu_at_work> neure, it needs about as much room as the final image size
Jun 01 11:17:12 <asac> ndec: we have a package for that ...
Jun 01 11:17:13 <neure> so 1 GB should be enough?
Jun 01 11:17:23 <cwillu_at_work> re: net install, I presume you got to the part where it said "If boot fails... upgrade x-loader and u-boot ... and clean u-boot environment vars"?
Jun 01 11:17:32 <neure> E: Couldn't find package qemu-kvm-extras-static
Jun 01 11:17:40 <cwillu_at_work> and ignored it, given that you asked if you should update u-boot?
Jun 01 11:17:43 <ndec> asac: which package?
Jun 01 11:17:52 <neure> im running ubuntu 9 something in my vmware
Jun 01 11:17:56 <asac> ndec: see msg
Jun 01 11:18:13 <asac> ndec: you want autologin serial console?
Jun 01 11:18:16 <asac> as root?
Jun 01 11:18:23 <asac> or autologin virtual terminal?
Jun 01 11:18:35 <ndec> asac: root or not, don't care.
Jun 01 11:18:36 <asac> the package isnt published yet (reason see msg)
Jun 01 11:18:53 <cwillu_at_work> asac, come on, it's a one line change to /etc/init/tty1.conf :p
Jun 01 11:18:59 <asac> ndec: serial or virtual terminal?
Jun 01 11:19:12 <asac> cwillu_at_work: yes, its a one line change, or some magic ;)
Jun 01 11:19:16 <asac> we opted in to magic
Jun 01 11:19:18 <cwillu_at_work> ugh
Jun 01 11:19:25 <cwillu_at_work> bad asac, BAD.
Jun 01 11:19:25 <asac> as you cannot change .conf files
Jun 01 11:19:26 <asac> in a package
Jun 01 11:19:39 <cwillu_at_work> _why_ does it need to be a package?
Jun 01 11:19:42 <ndec> asac: serial
Jun 01 11:20:09 <asac> ndec: do you need a package or can i just give you the files?
Jun 01 11:20:11 <ogra> cwillu_at_work, because this is ubuntu :)
Jun 01 11:20:38 <cwillu_at_work> ogra, "if dkms is madness, _this_ is sparta"
Jun 01 11:20:39 <ndec> asac: whatever is simpler for you... honestly I just need the 1-line change ;-)
Jun 01 11:21:01 <ogra> cwillu_at_work, why would dkms be madness ? we use it all over the distro
Jun 01 11:21:12 <cwillu_at_work> ogra, it was an excuse to use a good quote :p
Jun 01 11:21:19 <ogra> heh
Jun 01 11:21:22 <cwillu_at_work> asac, agra, repeat after me:  "apt is not a global control panel"
Jun 01 11:21:50 <neure> cwillu_at_work,  will rootstock make installer image or what?
Jun 01 11:21:52 <asac> ndec: cool. then just take that change for now ;)
Jun 01 11:22:02 <asac> ndec: and wait for the magic to pop up on a tree ;)
Jun 01 11:22:10 <cwillu_at_work> neure, rootstock makes the final installed image, you just need to dump it onto a card and boot
Jun 01 11:22:20 <neure> :/
Jun 01 11:22:24 <ndec> asac: but I don't have the 1-line for now...
Jun 01 11:22:30 <neure> i have 16GB sdcard
Jun 01 11:22:38 <neure> so i would need 16GB free in my vmware
Jun 01 11:22:41 <neure> which i dont have :/
Jun 01 11:22:41 <cwillu_at_work> hardly
Jun 01 11:22:49 <neure> hardly?
Jun 01 11:22:56 <cwillu_at_work> you only need the tarball, which will be 600mb or so
Jun 01 11:23:07 <cwillu_at_work> then you just write it out to the sd card like it was any other hard drive
Jun 01 11:23:17 <cwillu_at_work> mk_mmc and company does exactly that
Jun 01 11:23:40 <neure> ok so it might work even with ~2GB free to make 16GB image?
Jun 01 11:23:56 <cwillu_at_work> neure, exactly, because you're not actually making a 16GB image
Jun 01 11:24:21 <neure> well it starts by "I: Creating temporary Image" so i was worried.. :P
Jun 01 11:24:22 <cwillu_at_work> it just needs to be big enough to actually complete the install, the final size of the card doesn't matter
Jun 01 11:24:25 <neure> i'll give it a try
Jun 01 11:25:06 * cwillu_at_work cringes at the thought of running rootstock (which uses a vm internally) under vmware
Jun 01 11:25:25 <cwillu_at_work> neure, hmm
Jun 01 11:25:37 <cwillu_at_work> you know, you could actually use one of the prebuilt images on the same page I bet
Jun 01 11:25:48 <neure> cwillu_at_work, is there such?
Jun 01 11:26:39 <cwillu_at_work> neure, brief tangent:  when reading technical documentation other than reference material (which that link isn't), it's usually a good idea to read the whole thing once through before actually attempting to follow the instructions
Jun 01 11:27:21 <cwillu_at_work> the instructions to use a prebuilt image is the first thing after the table of contents :p
Jun 01 11:27:27 <neure> the demo image in the beginning is 2G
Jun 01 11:27:33 <cwillu_at_work> doesn't matter
Jun 01 11:27:33 <neure> my sdcard is 16
Jun 01 11:27:37 <neure> and i need the space
Jun 01 11:27:48 <cwillu_at_work> your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired :)
Jun 01 11:28:10 <cwillu_at_work> first, the rebuilt images are tarballs, which are like zip archives
Jun 01 11:28:22 <neure> ah
Jun 01 11:28:33 <neure> so --imagesize 2G has very little no no meaning at all?
Jun 01 11:28:38 <cwillu_at_work> pretty much
Jun 01 11:28:56 <neure> ok i will try
Jun 01 11:29:02 <neure> or well
Jun 01 11:29:02 <cwillu_at_work> it's used for the internal virtual machine during install, and rootstock can (and does by default I think?) give a raw image of that size (the end result of the virtual machine)
Jun 01 11:29:18 <cwillu_at_work> but a tarball is generally more useful for a few reasons
Jun 01 11:29:26 <ogra> --imagesize 2G is important for building
Jun 01 11:29:37 <ogra> has nothing to do with the target SD
Jun 01 11:29:47 <neure> ok
Jun 01 11:30:52 <neure> 5 min to download the image :)
Jun 01 11:33:09 <neure> cwillu_at_work, how about bootargs for the demo image?
Jun 01 11:33:23 <cwillu_at_work> neure, the args I gave you before should work
Jun 01 11:33:41 <cwillu_at_work> root=/dev/mmcblk0p1, etc
Jun 01 11:34:12 <cwillu_at_work> neure, there should be a boot.scr that setup_sdcard.sh makes
Jun 01 11:35:59 <neure> got the image now..
Jun 01 11:36:04 <neure> we'll find out soon
Jun 01 11:37:40 <neure> running setup script...
Jun 01 11:47:04 <neure> how much diskspace is in use by the prebuilt demo image?
Jun 01 11:47:51 <neure> it's taking a quite a long time to populate rootfs...
Jun 01 11:50:10 <cwillu_at_work> neure, not sure;  less than 2gb
Jun 01 11:50:49 <neure> df is reporting 474404 as Used currently
Jun 01 11:51:05 <cwillu_at_work> df -h is nice
Jun 01 11:51:59 <neure> hmm
Jun 01 11:52:06 <neure> the script finished now
Jun 01 11:53:11 <neure> now booting
Jun 01 11:53:33 <neure> [   24.510650] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.
Jun 01 11:54:06 <neure> so.. the same error, basically
Jun 01 11:54:32 <cwillu_at_work> neure, if you mount that sd card, is there a ./sbin/init?
Jun 01 11:56:03 <neure> yes
Jun 01 11:56:31 <cwillu_at_work> what partitions are there?
Jun 01 11:56:38 <cwillu_at_work> ls /dev/sd*
Jun 01 11:56:49 <cwillu_at_work> and cross reference to whichever you mounted
Jun 01 11:56:59 <neure> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdb2  /dev/sdc  /dev/sdd  /dev/sde
Jun 01 11:57:07 <neure> /dev/sdb2 on /media/sdcard2 type ext3 (rw)
Jun 01 11:57:11 <neure> /dev/sdb1 on /media/sdcard1 type vfat (rw,flush)
Jun 01 11:57:22 <cwillu_at_work> what was your root= line?
Jun 01 11:57:27 <cwillu_at_work> /dev/mmcblk0p2?
Jun 01 11:57:36 <neure> bootargs=vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:800x600-16@60 console=ttyS2,115200n8 rootwait root=/dev/mmcblk0p1
Jun 01 11:57:39 <neure> i see
Jun 01 11:57:41 <neure> let me try p2
Jun 01 11:57:43 <cwillu_at_work> :)
Jun 01 11:58:58 <neure> well
Jun 01 11:59:01 <neure> i got login now
Jun 01 11:59:03 <neure> :)
Jun 01 11:59:10 <cwillu_at_work> \o/
Jun 01 11:59:21 <markos_> hi, I've managed to build ~3k packages (karmic for now) using -mfloat-abi=hard and codesourcery 2010q1 gcc 4.4.1. So far I've had minor problems, but I've hit a wall with mono and java (gcj/openjdk), anyone willing to help/point to the right directions?
Jun 01 11:59:26 <neure> cwillu_at_work, thanks !
Jun 01 11:59:31 <neure> cwillu_at_work,  one more q..
Jun 01 11:59:34 <neure> how do i add x?
Jun 01 11:59:38 <neure> some minimal
Jun 01 11:59:49 <neure> some simple, compact wm if possible
Jun 01 12:00:29 <cwillu_at_work> neure, play around on your vm with a ubuntu-server image or some such;  basically you can apt-get install <foo> to make any install you could possibly want
Jun 01 12:01:19 <neure> this is the minimal demo image
Jun 01 12:01:20 <neure> hmm
Jun 01 12:01:41 <neure> but.. i would like to get some hint about how to proceed getting X :)
Jun 01 12:01:45 <cwillu_at_work> binutils build-essential cups git-corelinux-firmware network-manager openssh-server picocom python-dev python-nose python-pip python-setuptools python-virtualenv samba system-config-printer-udev uboot-envtools uboot-mkimage ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard vim winbind wireless-tools xdotool xfwm4 xorg xsplash libcap2-bin
Jun 01 12:01:50 <cwillu_at_work> are the package I throw in
Jun 01 12:02:06 <cwillu_at_work> a lot of them aren't going to be relevant for you though
Jun 01 12:03:00 <cwillu_at_work> you could also do something like "ubuntu-desktop" or "lubuntu-desktop" to get a fairly full desktop (full ubuntu, and a light ubuntu respectively)
Jun 01 12:03:24 <ogra> or ubuntu-netbook :)
Jun 01 12:03:43 <ogra> its specifically tailored for armel
Jun 01 12:04:56 <neure> erm
Jun 01 12:05:02 <neure> my network doesnt seem to work
Jun 01 12:05:09 <neure> how do i check that?
Jun 01 12:05:29 <ogra> ifconfig
Jun 01 12:05:35 <cwillu_at_work> #ubuntu :p
Jun 01 12:05:40 <neure> well
Jun 01 12:05:40 <ogra> or on a lower level: cat /proc/net/dev
Jun 01 12:05:47 <neure> i dont see anything other than lo
Jun 01 12:05:49 <neure> which is bad
Jun 01 12:05:53 <neure> i suppose
Jun 01 12:05:59 <neure> there is no eth
Jun 01 12:06:03 <cwillu_at_work> dhclient eth0 says device not found?
Jun 01 12:06:04 <ogra> in proc ?
Jun 01 12:06:14 <cwillu_at_work> (a device that's down won't show up in ifconfig unless you specifically name it)
Jun 01 12:06:30 <neure> ogra, proc has line for eth0
Jun 01 12:06:38 <ogra> then bring it up
Jun 01 12:06:42 <ogra> and run dhclient for it
Jun 01 12:07:01 <cwillu_at_work> dhclient eth0 will suffice (it'll bring it up automatically)
Jun 01 12:07:09 <neure> ok
Jun 01 12:07:22 <cwillu_at_work> this is typical stuff for a bare operating system
Jun 01 12:07:26 <neure> i had to run "dhclient eth0" before my eth0 started running
Jun 01 12:07:43 <ogra> dpkg-deb: Building Package »u-boot-omap4« in »../u-boot-omap4_L24.6-p1git20100520-0ubuntu1_armel.deb«.
Jun 01 12:07:44 <ogra> \o/
Jun 01 12:07:49 <ogra> finally
Jun 01 12:08:53 <neure> cwillu_at_work, eh
Jun 01 12:09:01 <neure> i suppose my clock is not right
Jun 01 12:09:15 <neure> installing some packages i get lots of tar complaining time stamps being in future
Jun 01 12:09:24 <ogra> run ntpdate
Jun 01 12:09:30 <cwillu_at_work> ntpdate-debian :p
Jun 01 12:09:46 <neure> i'll wait for the packages to install first
Jun 01 12:09:56 <neure> i hope things are not broken by running with bad clock?
Jun 01 12:09:59 <cwillu_at_work> neure, i.e., almost nothing you're going through at the moment is specific to ubuntu or beagle
Jun 01 12:10:06 <cwillu_at_work> it's just general "bringing up a unix system"
Jun 01 12:10:11 <neure> i know.. :)
Jun 01 12:10:22 <ogra> if you set up your network properly it will automatically sync the clock on network bringup during boot
Jun 01 12:10:26 <cwillu_at_work> neure, should be fine, although you'll have bogus dates on files, etc
Jun 01 12:11:06 <neure> ogra yes, i want it that way, but i was bitten by the fact that it is not like that by default on the minimal image i started from :)
Jun 01 12:11:23 <ogra> you have to configure /etc/network/interfaces
Jun 01 12:11:30 <ogra> or use network manager
Jun 01 12:11:41 <ogra> that will always autosync the clock on network bringup
Jun 01 12:11:46 <neure> first i want x working :)
Jun 01 12:11:58 <neure> even before that i want openssh-server working
Jun 01 12:12:16 <ogra> sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
Jun 01 12:12:22 <ogra> before installinf stuff
Jun 01 12:12:29 <neure> well im already installing stuff
Jun 01 12:12:33 <neure> i hope things will still work
Jun 01 12:12:52 <ogra> they will, its just annoyingly niosy
Jun 01 12:12:56 <ogra> *noisy
Jun 01 12:12:57 <neure> yeah
Jun 01 12:16:08 <neure> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 to provide /usr/bin/smbstatus (smbstatus) in auto mode.
Jun 01 12:16:09 <neure> smbd start/running, process 1327
Jun 01 12:16:09 <neure> start: Job failed to start
Jun 01 12:16:12 <neure> whats that?
Jun 01 12:16:45 <ogra> looks like samba
Jun 01 12:17:16 <neure> yeah is it supposed to fail like that?)
Jun 01 12:17:27 <ogra> no idea
Jun 01 12:17:30 <ogra> i never use samba
Jun 01 12:19:17 <neure> how do i allow lame passwords?
Jun 01 12:19:44 <neure> sorry moved to #ubuntu :)
Jun 01 12:23:37 <neure> how do i remove the 'password has expired'?
Jun 01 12:25:00 <neure> ha
Jun 01 12:25:06 <neure> got ssh working :)
Jun 01 12:30:03 <ogra> lool, asac, is there any interest in keeping the uboot-imx package in the archive ?
Jun 01 12:30:16 <ogra> i'm inclined to file a removal bug
Jun 01 12:37:50 <lool> ogra: Does it work?
Jun 01 12:38:15 <ogra> lool, well, very roughly ... its darn slow and a mess merged of two patchsets
Jun 01 12:38:16 <lool> If it works and is not a huge maintenance burden, it might make sense to keep it?
Jun 01 12:38:52 <ogra> effectively it was merged of two non working patch tarballs to make it somewhat work
Jun 01 12:39:23 <neure> now getting ubuntu-netbook
Jun 01 12:39:36 <ogra> today there shoudl be a new codebase in the freescale git that works better but i'm not really after maintaining it and doing a new release
Jun 01 12:39:47 <hrw> re
Jun 01 12:39:52 <ogra> beyond that it doesnt fit into the naming scheme anymore
Jun 01 12:40:15 <ogra> (i use u-boot instead of uboot everywhere since thats what we get from all the upstream branches)
Jun 01 12:41:14 <neure> oh no
Jun 01 12:41:16 <neure> "ubuntu@beagleboard:~$ [ 2773.007507] hub 1-0:1.0: port 2 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..."
Jun 01 12:41:18 <neure> what is that?
Jun 01 12:42:22 <neure> my ssh connection to shell that was installing ubuntu-netbook was reset :/
Jun 01 12:42:31 <neure> but looks like it is still running
Jun 01 12:42:41 <neure> serial still works
Jun 01 12:47:18 <neure> but looks like my eth0 died :/
Jun 01 12:47:46 <neure> i had no issues with ångström
Jun 01 12:47:50 <neure> usb worked reliably
Jun 01 12:47:58 <neure> :/
Jun 01 12:51:34 <neure> ogra i assume my installation issues were caused by usb issues
Jun 01 12:57:49 <asac> ogra: isnt there a new git snapshot now available with all the fixes?
Jun 01 12:58:26 <ogra> asac, no idea, but their git tree was supposed to have the fixes ... i didnt check
Jun 01 12:58:58 <ogra> and i dont have interest in maintaining it (as in updates to the package)
Jun 01 12:59:19 <ogra> so if nobody takes it over or says he needs it in the distro, i'D rather remove it
Jun 01 12:59:42 <amitk> ogra: I used the imx uboot on my babbage board, it worked upto a point and then the board died. No idea if was caused by uboot. I need to use JTAG to try get it working again.
Jun 01 13:28:48 <zyga> ogra: how can I make my nebook image look nice with 24bpp color on a beagle board?
Jun 01 13:29:49 <hrw> zyga: use other omapfb.mode
Jun 01 13:30:03 <ogra> what hrw said
Jun 01 13:30:15 <hrw> zyga: 1280x800-24@60
Jun 01 13:30:17 <zyga> ogra, hrw: is it possible to change this without rebooting?
Jun 01 13:30:26 <hrw> zyga: fbset --depth 24?
Jun 01 13:30:30 <zyga> m
Jun 01 13:30:44 * ogra dounbts that works but would be happy to be proven wrong
Jun 01 13:31:05 <zyga> checking
Jun 01 13:32:06 <zyga> mmm
Jun 01 13:32:08 <zyga> it 'worked'
Jun 01 13:32:11 <zyga> interesting image
Jun 01 13:32:12 <zyga> well
Jun 01 13:32:16 <zyga> it's not what I wanted
Jun 01 13:32:24 <zyga> ogra: any hints?
Jun 01 13:32:52 <ogra> define "interesting image"
Jun 01 13:32:54 <ogra> :)
Jun 01 13:33:42 <zyga> ogra: sending at ogra@canonical.com
Jun 01 13:33:45 <zyga> sent
Jun 01 13:34:10 <ogra> wow
Jun 01 13:34:23 <zyga> ogra: resetting to 16 makes it even more wrong
Jun 01 13:34:29 <zyga> the bottom 30% is black
Jun 01 13:34:30 <ogra> what did you set on cmdline ?
Jun 01 13:34:38 <zyga> sudo fbset -depth 24
Jun 01 13:34:41 <zyga> oh
Jun 01 13:34:42 <zyga> on cmdline
Jun 01 13:34:44 <zyga> mm
Jun 01 13:34:45 <ogra> i'm pretty sure dynamic switching wont work with omapfb
Jun 01 13:34:59 <ogra> you likely need to reboot and set it on the kernel cmdline
Jun 01 13:35:11 <zyga> omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60
Jun 01 13:35:17 <ogra> try 32 ther
Jun 01 13:35:25 <zyga> just did
Jun 01 13:35:25 <ogra> -32@
Jun 01 13:35:31 <zyga> (fbmode
Jun 01 13:35:32 <zyga> nice ;-)
Jun 01 13:35:44 <ogra> better ?
Jun 01 13:36:14 <zyga> ogra: yeah, much more readable, check your email
Jun 01 13:36:19 <zyga> note the blackness in the bottom parts
Jun 01 13:36:36 <zyga> rebooting bb
Jun 01 13:36:54 <ogra> hmm
Jun 01 13:38:40 <zyga> ogra: I set it to
Jun 01 13:41:09 <zyga> 'root=UUID=2e97cacf-bddd-45b7-a81a-c252dd42943f ro quiet splash vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-32@60 fixrtc'
Jun 01 13:41:11 <zyga> checking now
Jun 01 13:41:26 <ogra> you might also want 1280x800
Jun 01 13:41:42 <zyga> GODNESS!
Jun 01 13:41:48 <zyga> it looks awsome
Jun 01 13:41:49 <ogra> i picked 720MR-16 for people that use TV sets
Jun 01 13:41:58 <zyga> much much better than that 16bit crap
Jun 01 13:42:07 <ogra> since usually monitors can to 720 even with a bit streching
Jun 01 13:42:25 <zyga> ogra: why 16? tvs cannot handle true color?
Jun 01 13:42:27 <ogra> zyga, eats more ram though
Jun 01 13:42:39 <ogra> no, just a ram decision
Jun 01 13:42:41 <hrw> on 16:10 lcds 1280x800. on 16:9 - 1280x720
Jun 01 13:42:42 <zyga> ogra: makes you want to look at the screen though ;-)
Jun 01 13:42:43 <zyga> ok
Jun 01 13:42:56 <ogra> though we allocate 12M ...
Jun 01 13:43:05 <ogra> might not really be an issue with that
Jun 01 13:43:37 <ogra> hrw, right, but many TVs cant do 1280x800
Jun 01 13:43:57 <ogra> while monitors usually are able to do 1280x720
Jun 01 13:44:05 <hrw> yep
Jun 01 13:44:08 <ogra> even 16:10 ones
Jun 01 13:44:17 <hrw> my TV anyway is not able to do MR ones
Jun 01 13:44:22 <ogra> though the 16bit are surely debatable
Jun 01 13:44:27 <hrw> 1280x720 works
Jun 01 13:57:33 <zyga> ogra, what does omapfb.debug=y do?
Jun 01 13:57:51 <ogra> spill debug messages to dmesg afaik
Jun 01 14:47:09 <mpoirier> ogra: do I remember you telling me you have a panda board ?
Jun 01 14:50:50 <ogra_> mpoirier, still waiting for it
Jun 01 14:51:18 <mpoirier_> Ok - I got mine yesterday.
Jun 01 14:51:22 <ogra_> cool
Jun 01 14:51:28 <ogra_> dont boot it yet
Jun 01 14:51:35 <mpoirier_> oops.
Jun 01 14:51:37 <mpoirier_> why ?
Jun 01 14:51:44 <ogra_> we need a special kernel patch to work around an issue that will fry the HW
Jun 01 14:51:58 <mpoirier_> ok.
Jun 01 14:52:02 <ogra_> at least i was told so
Jun 01 14:52:10 <ogra_> did you boot it with our kernel ?
Jun 01 14:52:23 <mpoirier_> No.
Jun 01 14:52:24 <ogra_> i guess if there is something shipped with it that should be fine
Jun 01 14:52:45 <mpoirier_> there is nothing apparent that came with it.
Jun 01 14:52:47 <mpoirier_> no SD card.
Jun 01 14:53:03 <mpoirier_> I'm just trying to see u-boot on the console.
Jun 01 14:53:32 <ogra_> i just uploaded x-loader-omap4 and u-boot-omap4
Jun 01 14:54:12 <mpoirier_> I should probably do the same - where from ?
Jun 01 14:54:48 <ogra_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/x-loader-omap4/L24.6-p1git20100520-0ubuntu2 and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/u-boot-omap4/L24.6-p1git20100520-0ubuntu1
Jun 01 14:54:58 <ogra_> not published yet you will have to wait a bit
Jun 01 14:56:09 <mpoirier_> what do you mean by not published yet ?
Jun 01 14:56:50 <ogra_> the binary packages arent published yet
Jun 01 14:56:56 <mpoirier_> ha.
Jun 01 14:57:01 <ogra_> the source just finished building
Jun 01 14:57:07 <mpoirier_> I have to build them myself then.
Jun 01 14:57:16 <ogra_> or just wait a bit
Jun 01 14:57:24 <mpoirier_> very well, I can do that.
Jun 01 14:57:30 <ogra_> the debs should show up within the next hour
Jun 01 14:57:34 <mpoirier_> you're still getting patches from TI ?
Jun 01 14:57:47 <ogra_> for the bootloaders ? nope
Jun 01 14:57:56 <ogra_> they should be fine now
Jun 01 14:58:03 <ogra_> at least they are on blaze
Jun 01 14:58:19 <ogra_> i'D love to know if MLO and u-boot.bin from these packages work on panda
Jun 01 14:58:37 <mpoirier_> Well, that was my next question - I bet they won't.
Jun 01 14:58:44 <mpoirier_> too HW specific at that point.
Jun 01 14:58:49 <ogra_> shouldnt be
Jun 01 14:58:55 <ogra_> but we'll see
Jun 01 14:59:11 <ogra_> x-loader might, u-boot definately shouldnt
Jun 01 14:59:31 <mpoirier_> definitely shouldn't work or shouldn't have problems ?
Jun 01 14:59:40 <ogra_> shouldnt have probs
Jun 01 14:59:54 <mpoirier_> humm...
Jun 01 15:00:03 <ogra_> MLO (x-loader) might since the wiring of the boards is different
Jun 01 15:00:09 <mpoirier_> yes, exactly.
Jun 01 15:00:16 <mpoirier_> mapping layout, ports...
Jun 01 15:00:20 <ogra_> but after x-loader u-boot should just work
Jun 01 15:00:33 <mpoirier_> depending on how they did their things...
Jun 01 15:00:40 <ogra_> well, its all omap4
Jun 01 15:00:57 <ogra_> my blaze currently boots with that u-boot
Jun 01 15:01:03 <ogra_> so other omap4 should too
Jun 01 15:01:07 <mpoirier_> if uboot is doing some board specific hw initialization we could see problems.
Jun 01 15:01:13 <ogra_> if not we need to get that fixed by TI
Jun 01 15:01:20 <mpoirier_> yes.
Jun 01 15:01:35 <mpoirier_> I'm skeptic here 'cause I never used an xloader.
Jun 01 15:01:42 <ogra_> well, the omap4 u-boot is supposed to work across all omap4 boards we currently have
Jun 01 15:01:54 <mpoirier_> Always did all board specific init in u-boot.
Jun 01 15:01:56 <ogra_> x-loader inits the HW before loading u-boot
Jun 01 15:02:15 <ogra_> so the differences should be covered in x-loader
Jun 01 15:02:24 <mpoirier_> in that case yes.
Jun 01 15:02:35 <mpoirier_> Otherwize TI needs to fix.
Jun 01 15:02:39 <ogra_> right
Jun 01 15:02:43 <armin76> ogra_: you working with TI now?
Jun 01 15:02:53 <mpoirier_> as in talking to them ?
Jun 01 15:02:55 <mpoirier_> no.
Jun 01 15:02:59 <ogra_> well, try out the binaries once the packages show up (or build the packages yourself if you cant wait)
Jun 01 15:03:26 <mpoirier_> ya... I'll have to get another SD card.
Jun 01 15:03:39 <mpoirier_> Don't want to mix OMAP4 and OMAP4.
Jun 01 15:03:49 <mpoirier_> by the way...
Jun 01 15:03:52 <ogra_> 3 and 4 you mean :)
Jun 01 15:04:01 <mpoirier_> yes - brain bug.
Jun 01 15:04:04 <mpoirier_> by the way.
Jun 01 15:04:14 <mpoirier_> is omap4 code compatible with omap3
Jun 01 15:04:16 <mpoirier_> >
Jun 01 15:04:17 <mpoirier_> ?
Jun 01 15:04:24 <mpoirier_> binary i mean.
Jun 01 15:04:34 <ogra_> usespace wise ? yes
Jun 01 15:04:38 <ogra_> *user
Jun 01 15:04:49 <mpoirier_> I'm talking about machine instructions.
Jun 01 15:05:19 <ogra_> its definately backwards compatible
Jun 01 15:05:29 <mpoirier_> yes, that is what I imagined.
Jun 01 15:05:37 <mpoirier_> Then we'll have to see about my board.
Jun 01 15:06:03 <mpoirier_> before talking to you I simply used the SD in my beableboad in the panda...
Jun 01 15:06:23 <mpoirier_> I don't see anything on hte console but that might just be my serial connection.
Jun 01 15:06:28 <mpoirier_> We'll see...
Jun 01 15:06:44 <ogra_> the userspace binaries work
Jun 01 15:06:57 <ogra_> TI is using lucid on their boards already
Jun 01 15:07:10 <mpoirier_> yes, they should - I'm more worried about the kernel thing you told me about.
Jun 01 15:07:21 <mpoirier_> my beagleboard kernel might have booted.
Jun 01 15:07:40 <mpoirier_> it would be very surprizing but still possible.
Jun 01 15:07:52 <ogra_> no
Jun 01 15:07:56 <ogra_> its not omap4
Jun 01 15:08:55 <mpoirier_> I just hope not - if the binaries are code compatible the processor will have fetched instructions.
Jun 01 15:09:12 <mpoirier_> most likely not gone very far.
Jun 01 15:09:33 <ogra_> it wont boot an omap3 kernel (it cant)
Jun 01 15:09:50 <ogra_> and your MLO wont init the board anyway
Jun 01 15:10:11 <mpoirier_> good.
Jun 01 15:10:16 <mpoirier_> on another topic...
Jun 01 15:10:32 <mpoirier_> have you built maverick for ARM recently ?
Jun 01 15:10:39 <mpoirier_> kernel that is.
Jun 01 15:10:48 <ogra_> not yet
Jun 01 15:10:58 <ogra_> i'm actually waiting for the kernel team on that
Jun 01 15:11:11 <mpoirier_> Yes, Bryan is working on it.
Jun 01 15:11:12 <ogra_> <- uses binaries ...
Jun 01 15:11:24 <mpoirier_> I'll join him shortly.
Jun 01 15:11:27 <ogra_> i very very rarely build kernels :)
Jun 01 15:11:43 <mpoirier_> ok all good - no more questions.
Jun 01 15:11:45 <mpoirier_> thanks.
Jun 01 15:11:47 <ogra_> though since i have a touchbook i actually do that again :)
Jun 01 15:12:01 <ogra_> since it has non upstreamed patches it needs to work
Jun 01 15:20:29 <armin76> hrm...
Jun 01 15:20:44 <armin76> ndec: i want a blaze :D
Jun 01 15:25:32 <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/442850/
Jun 01 15:25:35 <ogra> WOHOOO !!!!
Jun 01 15:29:52 <dmart> lool: with regard to bug 489242, where can I find the patches you mention?
Jun 01 15:29:54 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 489242 in libmad (Ubuntu) "Inline assembler fix needed for libmad in Lucid on armel (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/489242
Jun 01 15:30:09 <dmart> I don't see a distinct libmad for maverick yet
Jun 01 15:50:00 <ndec> armin76: no problem. give me you mail addres ;-)
Jun 01 15:50:48 <ogra> lol
Jun 01 15:52:40 <armin76> ndec: yey, armin76@gentoo.org :)
Jun 01 15:56:31 <ndec> armin76: you should send me a check first .. ;-)
Jun 01 15:57:02 <armin76> ndec: ogra pays
Jun 01 15:57:04 <ogra> and its hard to attach blazes to mails :)
Jun 01 15:57:24 <ndec> ogra: that's why I said mail address and not email address ;-)
Jun 01 15:57:33 <ogra> yeah
Jun 01 15:58:08 <armin76> oh, sorry, i'm used to it, i'll email it to you if you give me your email :D
Jun 01 16:00:29 <hrw> ;D
Jun 01 16:00:49 <hrw> ok, time for me
Jun 01 16:01:18 <ogra> armin76, checks are also hard to attach to emails ;)
Jun 01 16:01:40 <armin76> ogra: dunno, thats your choice *g*
Jun 01 16:01:49 <ogra> mine ?
Jun 01 16:02:01 <armin76> yup, you pay
Jun 01 16:12:06 <cwillu_at_work> mmm, avahi isn't in ubuntu-standard anymore
Jun 01 16:12:43 <ogra> jayabharath, pingaling
Jun 01 16:13:53 <dmart> lool: ping
Jun 01 16:27:18 <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/442866/
Jun 01 16:27:22 <ogra> NCommand1r, ^^^
Jun 01 16:27:30 <ogra> feel free to play with it
Jun 01 16:27:48 <ogra> (for image building)
Jun 01 16:31:24 <NCommand1r> ogra: oooh, win, although I don't have my OMAP4 with me at the moment :-/
Jun 01 16:32:29 <lool> dmart: pong
Jun 01 16:32:51 <lool> dmart: The patches are in the libmad source package
Jun 01 16:33:09 <dmart> lool: are you comparing against the current Debian package?
Jun 01 16:33:13 <lool> dmart: the libmad version is the same in lucid and maverick
Jun 01 16:33:20 <dmart> ok
Jun 01 16:33:23 <lool> dmart: I'm just looking at the patches in the Ubuntu package
Jun 01 16:33:49 <lool> dmart: Comparing the patch in the open bug and the patches in the source package
Jun 01 16:34:03 <lool> dmart: There was a complaint that libmad produces garbled output with Ubuntu's binaries
Jun 01 16:35:04 <dmart> yeah, I saw that one
Jun 01 16:35:41 <dmart> Which patches are you comparing?
Jun 01 16:35:49 <lool> dmart: Which is why I looked at the patches on the ARM bugzilla and in Launchpad, I wanted to send them upstream too, but I got confused by the three different patches and wanted someone who worked on them to sort it out
Jun 01 16:35:52 <dmart> debian/patches/* versus http://linux.onarm.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=11 ?
Jun 01 16:36:12 <lool> Yes something like that, or actually I think the one you attached to the Launchpad bug and the ones in the Ubuntu package
Jun 01 16:37:34 <dmart> I can't see any patch attached to launchpad
Jun 01 16:37:57 <dmart> ...but it looks like the one on Bugzilla may be different, is that what you mean?
Jun 01 16:38:17 <lool> dmart: Yes
Jun 01 16:38:27 <lool> dmart: You probably just linked to the bugzilla patch in Launchpad or so
Jun 01 16:39:32 <dmart> I think that's probably it.
Jun 01 16:41:07 <lool> dmart: So there were slight differences in the ifdefs and implementation of the arm assembly
Jun 01 16:44:04 <dmart> I'll have to take a look at that and get back to you.
Jun 01 16:45:51 <lool> dmart: Thanks
Jun 01 16:46:38 <armin76> dmart: did you guys saw that gcc fails to build with --enable-checking?
Jun 01 16:47:39 <dmart> armin76: Can you check with doko?
Jun 01 16:49:20 <armin76> will do when he's around
Jun 01 16:52:58 <dmart> I havent tried/observed this myself.  Is this Ubuntu gcc or trunk?
Jun 01 16:53:48 <dmart> lool: It looks like Kevin Welton's patch on linux.onarm.com is an implementation of the same thing.
Jun 01 16:54:01 <dmart>  * it's a bit neater than mine for MAD_F_MLN
Jun 01 16:54:42 <dmart>  * he's added some Thumb compatibility in imdct_l_arm.S, but it's an out-of-line assembler file and so will still be built for ARM by default
Jun 01 16:54:56 <dmart>   * (we could change that if desired)
Jun 01 16:56:11 <dmart>  * he lacks the add pc -> adr change in imdct_l_arm.S, which would probably cause problems if the code was really being built for thumb
Jun 01 16:56:46 <dmart> I guess I'll need to merge the patches together and make sure the merged patch hits linux.onarm.com as well as Ubuntu
Jun 01 17:11:51 <cwillu_at_work> is there a more correct way to generate the xauth file for a user than to xauth extract - $DISPLAY | xauth -f ~user/.Xauthority merge -; chown user ~user/.Xauthority?
Jun 01 17:12:01 <cwillu_at_work> ... in xsession.d
Jun 01 18:06:53 <lool> davidm: There are small differences like ifdef thumb versus ifdef thumb2
Jun 01 18:06:58 <lool> err sorry davidm
Jun 01 18:07:01 <lool> ah dmart left
Jun 01 18:10:46 <davidm> lool, NP
Jun 01 18:38:10 * armin76 waits for ndec's mail :D
Jun 01 19:25:30 <DanaG> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/31/sharp-netwalker-pc-t1-unboxed-now-available/#commentshttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/31/sharp-netwalker-pc-t1-unboxed-now-available/#comment
Jun 01 19:25:32 <DanaG> er
Jun 01 19:25:45 <DanaG> stupid finch... screen didn't update, so I pasted twice.
Jun 01 19:32:09 <NCommander> an Ubuntu tablet?
Jun 01 19:32:46 * NCommander has doubts about that being a great user experience since nothing is touch optimized expect the UNE launcher
Jun 01 19:42:40 <DanaG> Interesting... some people from TI are on campus here right now.
Jun 01 19:42:58 <DanaG> Some sort of meeting going on.
Jun 01 20:08:22 <zyga> ogra: booting with 32bit color makes the console blue
Jun 01 20:09:41 <ogra_cmpc> heh
Jun 01 22:21:12 <gbillings> does anybody know how to compile + install elf-arm-gcc in lucid lynx?
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