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Jun 03 09:10:02 * DanaG wishes there were an Ubuntu phone.
Jun 03 09:13:28 <XorA> ogra: L24.7 kernel improves the native compile issue on omap4
Jun 03 09:26:44 <ogra_cmpc> XorA, aha, cooloney can you rebase our package ? ^^^
Jun 03 09:27:04 <ogra_cmpc> XorA, does git work with it now ?
Jun 03 09:28:23 <cooloney> ogra_cmpc: ok, let me look, thanks for head up
Jun 03 09:29:19 <XorA> ogra_cmpc: that still fails :-(
Jun 03 09:29:45 <XorA> fatal: git fetch_pack: expected ACK/NAK, got ''
Jun 03 09:29:55 <ogra_cmpc> bah
Jun 03 09:30:42 <XorA> 24.7 isnt at final release yet I beleive
Jun 03 09:37:06 <cooloney> XorA: yeah, got a new branch L24.7 with a new tag:  L24.7-pre-release
Jun 03 09:38:12 <XorA> got as far as fs/partitions/msdos.o before kernel build dies now
Jun 03 10:18:58 <markos_> ogra: ok, finally I got the first hardfp image (ubuntu-minimal), I had to modify rootstock (named the script to rootstock-native) to make it work without qemu. I still have a couple of probs, mainly I have to preset some debconf values in console-setup otherwise I can't output everything to the logfile -I could use tee, but I'd like the process to be totally automated
Jun 03 10:19:05 <markos_> now building ubuntu-standard
Jun 03 10:19:21 <markos_> I'll upload them soon
Jun 03 10:19:30 <lool> markos_: Cool
Jun 03 10:19:39 <ogra> markos_, great
Jun 03 10:19:56 <ogra> once you are done, gimme a bzr branch to merge :)
Jun 03 10:19:58 <markos_> ogra: I'll file rootstock-native as a bug report to LP
Jun 03 10:20:04 <ogra> or that
Jun 03 10:20:06 <markos_> I don't use bzr :)
Jun 03 10:20:18 <markos_> I'm more of a hg/svn person :)
Jun 03 10:20:46 <markos_> (tbh, I've never used bzr, so I'm indifferent)
Jun 03 10:21:38 <lool> the photos from http://www.netbooknews.de/16929/arm-freescale-ibm-samsung-st-ericsson-und-ti-schliessen-linux-buendnis/ are decent, but did someone find a video or the slides from the launch presentation?
Jun 03 10:21:47 <lool> ECHAN
Jun 03 10:22:21 <lool> BTW, Ubuntu is used as part of Linaro which was launched today at Computex; it's an important ARM effort for us
Jun 03 10:30:48 <zumbi> great! is linaro a meego competing project?
Jun 03 10:31:10 <zumbi> xilinx is missing on the partner list :) (I think it would be good to have them)
Jun 03 10:32:19 <markos_> ogra: #589104
Jun 03 10:32:19 <amitk> zumbi: no, not competing
Jun 03 10:32:30 <ogra> thanks
Jun 03 10:32:56 <amitk> zumbi: linaro will contribute directly to upstream and distros like meego can use that work
Jun 03 10:33:03 <markos_> bbl
Jun 03 10:34:30 <amitk> zumbi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22046787@N03/4664911239/
Jun 03 10:34:41 * zumbi gets excited
Jun 03 10:49:24 <lool> http://www.linaro.org/arm-freescale-ibm-samsung-st-ericsson-and-texas-instruments-form-new-company-to-speed-the-rollout-of-linux-based-devices/ is the announcement
Jun 03 10:51:42 <zumbi> hehe, maybe linaro wants to sponsor debconf.. :-)
Jun 03 10:51:46 * zumbi hides
Jun 03 10:56:42 <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
Jun 03 10:56:54 <fewfw> Segmentation fault
Jun 03 10:57:29 <lool> zumbi: not for profit == we have no money   ;-)
Jun 03 11:25:59 <ogra> bah
Jun 03 11:26:20 <ogra> why the heck
Jun 03 11:26:24 <amitk> too long
Jun 03 11:26:32 <ogra> its not
Jun 03 11:27:37 <ogra> there we go, sorry for the noise
Jun 03 11:30:15 <dev__> ogra is Linaro will be the same as Ubuntu-arm ??
Jun 03 11:31:32 <dev__> ogra: Is Linaro will be the same as Ubuntu-arm ?? I had check page https://launchpad.net/linaro/ which mention "Also known as:   ubuntu-arm"
Jun 03 11:32:23 * zumbi `buildcross` in the new queue targetting experimental suite.
Jun 03 11:33:46 <ogra> dev__, no, ubuntu-arm is ubuntu
Jun 03 11:34:22 <dev__> ok
Jun 03 11:34:58 <ogra> there will still be the ubuntu-arm channel and an ubuntu-arm team that specifically works on ubuntu stuff and builds ubuntu images
Jun 03 11:35:01 <dev__> Can you point any link which will give me clear idea about relation of Ubuntu-ARM and linaro community ?
Jun 03 11:35:02 <amitk> dev__: read the faq on linaro.org. It should answer your questions
Jun 03 11:35:54 <amitk> http://www.linaro.org/faqs
Jun 03 11:36:07 <amitk> ogra: perhaps the faq link should be in topic
Jun 03 11:36:28 <ogra> i wonder if i could drop the debian eabi stuff
Jun 03 11:36:37 <ogra> lool, ^^^ any objections ?
Jun 03 11:36:45 <ogra> i think we're far beyond that
Jun 03 11:36:47 <rcn-ee> do it.. ;)
Jun 03 11:37:12 <dev__> amitk, thx for link.
Jun 03 11:41:06 <ogra> dev__, i belive the "Also known as:   ubuntu-arm" isnt there anymore
Jun 03 11:41:47 <ogra> hmm, no, it isnt
Jun 03 11:41:58 <ogra> could someone fix that ?
Jun 03 11:42:22 <dev__> It is there https://launchpad.net/linaro/
Jun 03 11:42:27 <ogra> yeah
Jun 03 11:42:37 <ogra> i missed the light grey on white :)
Jun 03 11:42:45 <ogra> i agree its very confusing
Jun 03 11:43:31 <dev__> FAQs are very good.
Jun 03 11:43:48 <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
Jun 03 11:43:49 <fewfw> Segmentation fault
Jun 03 11:44:14 <lool> ogra: in the topic?
Jun 03 11:44:27 <lool> ogra: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiTodo > sure
Jun 03 11:44:42 <ogra> lool, nope, under "Also known as:"
Jun 03 11:45:09 <lool> ogra: where is that?
Jun 03 11:45:20 <ogra> lool, https://edge.launchpad.net/linaro
Jun 03 11:45:46 <lool> Also known as ubuntu-arn?
Jun 03 11:45:49 <lool> ubuntu-arm?
Jun 03 11:45:53 <lool> is that an issue?
Jun 03 11:46:09 <ogra> well, it caused confusion already
Jun 03 11:46:38 <lool> It's the name we've been using the last couple of months and some URLs might point to it
Jun 03 11:46:46 <ogra> i know
Jun 03 11:46:47 <lool> I think we can sort out the confusion here
Jun 03 11:46:53 <ogra> hmm
Jun 03 11:47:00 <ogra> lool, even after mobile was renamed ?
Jun 03 11:47:24 <ogra> that smells like a big chaos
Jun 03 11:49:35 <fewfw> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
Jun 03 11:50:21 <ogra> fewfw, re posting the error message over and over wont get you any answers
Jun 03 12:00:29 <ogra> fewfw, how about you give some more info :)
Jun 03 13:53:09 <jcrigby> ndec: around?
Jun 03 13:54:06 <jcrigby> ndec: ogra sent me to you.  Hoping you can put me intouch with Aneesh at ti.  He posted some initial omap4 patches to u-boot mailing list a week or so ago.
Jun 03 13:54:14 <jcrigby> I would like to help if possible.
Jun 03 14:02:21 <cwillu_at_work> oh, sweet, that was easy
Jun 03 14:03:28 <ndec> jcrigby: hi
Jun 03 14:04:41 <jcrigby> ndec:sorry to start a conversation and then leave but I need to drive my kids to school, be back in 20 minutes or so
Jun 03 14:05:09 <ndec> jcrigby: no problem. i am in a meeting anyways.
Jun 03 14:17:41 <cwillu_at_work> omapfb works fine with -nr, just needs a pScrn->canDoBGNoneRoot  = 1; in the driver
Jun 03 14:19:57 <ogra_cmpc> cwillu_at_work, what for do you use that ?
Jun 03 14:20:15 <cwillu_at_work> ogra_cmpc, plymouth?
Jun 03 14:20:20 <ogra_cmpc> emulating KMS behavior ?
Jun 03 14:20:27 <cwillu_at_work> plymouth uses that even with kms
Jun 03 14:20:33 <ogra_cmpc> ah
Jun 03 14:20:55 <cwillu_at_work> it seems that kms basically allows a driver to act somewhat like omap's frame buffer already works
Jun 03 14:21:05 <ogra_cmpc> cool
Jun 03 14:21:26 <ogra_cmpc> KMS support for omapbf was discussed at UDS btw
Jun 03 14:21:27 <cwillu_at_work> so the only thing needed to get a slick transition to gdm is that one line in the omapfb driver
Jun 03 14:21:51 <cwillu_at_work> well, and a nice x11 renderer for plymouth if you want to hide your initialization too, but ya
Jun 03 14:22:00 <ogra_cmpc> could it do any harm to other functionallity ?
Jun 03 14:23:03 <cwillu_at_work> no, it's only used as an arg to xorg
Jun 03 14:23:09 <ogra_cmpc> ah, good
Jun 03 14:23:15 <ogra_cmpc> lets add it then :)
Jun 03 14:23:15 <cwillu_at_work> it's checked when blanking the root window, and that's it
Jun 03 14:23:54 <cwillu_at_work> I threw it in to the end of the pScrtn-><foo> = <bar> block in omapfb-driver.c:232
Jun 03 14:25:36 <cwillu_at_work> and the check where it's used is xorg-server-1.7.6/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Init.c:305:  if (bgNoneRoot && pScrn->canDoBGNoneRoot) {
Jun 03 14:25:46 <cwillu_at_work> (bgNoneRoot is the -nr option)
Jun 03 14:25:52 <ogra_cmpc> ah
Jun 03 15:05:24 <cwillu_at_work> ogra, is displaying a boot splash on multiple console's (specifically, multiple console= entries) actually a desired usecase?
Jun 03 15:06:33 <ogra> cwillu_at_work, not really, but having it not break if console=ttyS* is set is one
Jun 03 15:06:44 <cwillu_at_work> define "not break"
Jun 03 15:07:02 <ogra> well, it shouldnt affect tty0 if i define console=
Jun 03 15:10:54 <cwillu_at_work> I'm going to do that thing where I make it do what I need it to do, and then describe what I did :p
Jun 03 15:12:40 <ogra> well, it would be cool if you would produce an upstreamable fix :)
Jun 03 15:16:59 <cwillu_at_work> one of these days I should figure out ppa's
Jun 03 15:21:09 <ogra> wont help you for arm
Jun 03 15:21:17 <ogra> we dont provide arm ppas yet
Jun 03 16:29:56 <cwillu_at_work> ogra, remind me, what was the actual bug with plymouth and console= again?
Jun 03 16:30:37 <cwillu_at_work> just made a big loop, having gotten the behaviour I wanted, then backing out changes until it broke again.
Jun 03 16:30:39 <ogra> cwillu_at_work, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/516825
Jun 03 16:30:51 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 516825 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth doesnt show any splash as soon as a console= commandline option is used on boot (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Fix released]
Jun 03 16:30:54 <cwillu_at_work> The funny thing is that I backed out _all_ of my changes to the package, and it works :)
Jun 03 16:31:09 <ogra> heh
Jun 03 16:31:15 <ogra> yeah, plymouth is a myth
Jun 03 16:31:33 <cwillu_at_work> so, console=tty1 should definitely not work?
Jun 03 16:31:56 <ogra> well, the bug is fix released
Jun 03 16:32:02 <ogra> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239 is the upstream bug for it
Jun 03 16:32:05 <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 22239 in plymouth general "improve console= handling" [Normal,New]
Jun 03 16:33:10 <ogra> - Make VT mandatory for renderer plugins, so we fallback gracefully to text when the console is not a VT.
Jun 03 16:33:20 <ogra> thats the changelog entry for the fix in the package
Jun 03 16:33:46 <ogra> seems slangasek fixed that one
Jun 03 16:33:57 <cwillu_at_work> okay, that makes some sense
Jun 03 16:34:19 <cwillu_at_work> it's broken in the two console case
Jun 03 16:34:25 <ogra> or, no, it was Keybuk
Jun 03 16:34:30 <ogra> yes
Jun 03 16:34:34 <cwillu_at_work> I can set console=tty0 or I can set console=ttyS2,115200n8
Jun 03 16:34:37 <ogra> but tty1 shoudl work
Jun 03 16:34:39 <cwillu_at_work> but setting both breaks it
Jun 03 16:34:45 <ogra> right
Jun 03 16:34:51 <ogra> so the upstream bug is still there
Jun 03 16:35:21 <cwillu_at_work> on the other hand, if you have a bootsplash, it doesn't matter so much that you don't have boot output on tty1
Jun 03 17:35:29 <tmzt> was linear to tiled framebuffer issue researched following uds?
Jun 03 20:20:50 <garyhbaker> Unable to do a NetInstall on a Beagleboard.  Can't find archive.  Is something down.
Jun 03 20:23:15 <garyhbaker> During the install process, after it gets to the part where it asks to choose an archive, the only choice is UK.  Ran fine yesterday.  Are there other archives and if so what are their URLs?
Jun 03 20:24:43 <lool> garyhbaker: there's only one archive for armel, which is ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
Jun 03 20:47:01 <gsnedders> Anyone tried to install Lucid on any MX51 device that isn't the Babbage?
Jun 03 21:21:38 <amitk> gsnedders: we've only had access to Babbage
Jun 03 21:21:59 <amitk> but I suspect a different device would need a different kernel
Jun 03 21:22:17 <gsnedders> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking
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