**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010
Sep 03 07:19:48 <hrw> morning
Sep 03 07:37:02 <Baybal> evening
Sep 03 08:08:07 <lag> ogra
Sep 03 08:08:14 <lag> ograaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Sep 03 08:09:18 * apw waits to seee if he is here
Sep 03 08:09:38 <lag> apw: Are you after him too?
Sep 03 08:10:02 <apw> there is an upload pending beta being out the way, and his approval yes
Sep 03 08:18:52 <lag> OGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sep 03 09:07:18 <sebjan> cooloney: to summarize, I just pushed some patches with latest display fixes and panda patches aligned with the pandaboard gitorious tree.
Sep 03 09:07:40 <sebjan> cooloney: these patches are required for 8 layers boards support
Sep 03 09:07:56 <sebjan> cooloney: they also add blaze support (all ES2.0)
Sep 03 09:10:16 <cooloney> sebjan: awesome, i just cloned it
Sep 03 09:11:47 <sebjan> cooloney: regarding bootloaders, the gitorious pandaboard tree (omap4_panda_L24.9 branch) is the most up to date, thouhg x-loader still misses some patches to support 1GB memory (from Rob x-loader tree)
Sep 03 09:13:43 <sebjan> lag, rsalveti, ogra  ^
Sep 03 09:13:47 <cooloney> sebjan: great, so after i got the board, i need to upgrade the bootloader firstly?
Sep 03 09:16:19 <lag> cooloney: I have a bootloader you can use
Sep 03 09:16:44 <lag> sebjan: I'm assuming the new bootloader is still lacking our patches?
Sep 03 09:17:33 <cooloney> lag: great, man
Sep 03 09:18:01 <cooloney> lag: my board is on the way, it will arrive next week, i guess
Sep 03 09:18:53 <lag> cooloney: In fact, rsalveti already has them uploaded: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/maverick/boot/es2/
Sep 03 09:19:06 <sebjan> lag: I am not clear with the 'our patches'?
Sep 03 09:19:11 <lag> You need u-boot.bin-with-ubuntu-patch and MLO-1gb
Sep 03 09:19:21 <cooloney> lag: great, bookmarked
Sep 03 09:19:28 <lag> sebjan: To read boot.scr instead of bootargs
Sep 03 09:20:50 <sebjan> lag: I have not seen boot.scr support in pandaboard u-boot tree.
Sep 03 09:21:33 <lag> Okay, that answers my question
Sep 03 09:22:24 <sebjan> lag: anyway, the official bootlaoder ogra is packaging is based on an upstream u-boot, right? So you shall check the patches added in the pandaboard tree are integrated in the bootloader packages?
Sep 03 09:23:57 <sebjan> lag: fyi, I personnaly build a version of u-boot / x-loader for my usage now, which include all these various patches. I can send the binaries for testing if required?
Sep 03 09:26:41 <lag> sebjan: I have binary bootloaders that work - that's all I'm interested in at the moment
Sep 03 09:26:53 <lag> sebjan: Bootloaders is ogra's thing :)
Sep 03 09:28:34 <sebjan> lag: ok, I'll check with him for patches alignment then
Sep 03 09:30:58 <lag> sebjan: np :)
Sep 03 09:40:03 <cooloney> sebjan: thanks a lot for heads up
Sep 03 10:07:52 <lag> ogra: I found the issue I was facing
Sep 03 10:08:14 <lag> My scripts weren't picking up the 2.6.34 kernel at all
Sep 03 10:08:25 <ogra> let me guess from the backlog, its bootloader related :)
Sep 03 10:08:30 <ogra> oh
Sep 03 10:08:32 <ogra> heh
Sep 03 10:08:34 <ogra> k
Sep 03 10:08:57 <lag> The first boot did use the 2.6.35 kernel (hence the successful install)
Sep 03 10:09:04 <ogra> the es2.0 kernel should have built by now
Sep 03 10:09:06 <lag> Then on second boot it was using the installed kernel
Sep 03 10:09:12 <lag> Well it's no good now!
Sep 03 10:09:24 <lag> Why didn't you tell me the kernel is replaced?
Sep 03 10:09:47 <ogra> i did
Sep 03 10:09:48 <lag> That was why the kernel failed on second boot - old kernel!
Sep 03 10:09:50 <ogra> several times
Sep 03 10:09:52 <lag> Where?
Sep 03 10:10:04 <ogra> if you call flash-kernel it takes everything from /boot
Sep 03 10:10:17 <ogra> dunno several times during the last weeks
Sep 03 10:10:24 <ogra> since you play with that script
Sep 03 10:10:37 <lag> Yes, you told me that
Sep 03 10:10:43 <lag> But I don't call flash-kernel
Sep 03 10:10:49 <lag> Not ever
Sep 03 10:10:51 <ogra> you did manually yesterday
Sep 03 10:10:55 <lag> I did not
Sep 03 10:11:02 <ogra> for /boot/boot.script
Sep 03 10:11:04 <lag> Nope
Sep 03 10:11:07 <lag> Never used it
Sep 03 10:11:19 <lag> I pasted you the lines of script that I use
Sep 03 10:11:30 <lag> So why is the kernel in /boot used?
Sep 03 10:11:50 <lag> Is flash-kernel called during the install process?
Sep 03 10:12:17 <ogra> by oem-config, yes
Sep 03 10:12:22 <ogra> it even tells you about it
Sep 03 10:12:37 <ogra> "running triggers for update-initramfs"
Sep 03 10:12:59 <ogra> update-initramfs calls flash-kernel
Sep 03 10:13:40 <ogra> flash-kernel takes the new initramfs, boot.script and kernel from /boot and puts them into the vfat
Sep 03 10:14:37 <ogra> to make sure that a) the initramfs has exactly what you have installed in the fs and b) as a sideeffect, make sure jasper is gone
Sep 03 10:15:56 <ogra> note that our images focus on the enduser who will never even see there is a vfat
Sep 03 10:42:28 <sebjan> ogra: did you follow the bootloader updates required to support the ES2.0 boards, 1GB mem, ...? Do you need some help here?
Sep 03 10:42:54 <ogra> sebjan, nope, we just have to make sure linaro includes them in the upstream branch
Sep 03 10:43:27 <ogra> well, for u-boot that is, for x-loader i think rsalveti has a branch prepared so far that still needs some touching
Sep 03 10:44:09 <ogra> i'll talk to jcrigby later today about the u-boot stuff
Sep 03 10:44:31 <ogra> and ricardo said he would look into finishing x-loader later today
Sep 03 10:44:55 <ogra> the kernel is uploaded but sits in the NEW queue i think, i'll take care for getting it out there
Sep 03 10:45:18 <sebjan> ogra: ok, I'll ask rsalveti for checking his x-loader tree then. You will use this tree to update the x-loader package?
Sep 03 10:45:22 <ogra> so with some luck es2.0 support is ready on monday
Sep 03 10:45:33 <sebjan> cool!
Sep 03 10:45:33 <ogra> sebjan, right, thats the plan
Sep 03 10:45:45 <sebjan> ok, thx
Sep 03 11:37:31 <lag> ogra: The lastest daily build is still 2.6.34
Sep 03 11:39:42 <ogra_cmpc> yes
Sep 03 11:40:10 <ogra_cmpc> kernel is still building and will then sit in the NEW queue
Sep 03 11:40:41 <ogra_cmpc> lag, ^^
Sep 03 11:40:55 <lag> ETA?
Sep 03 11:41:06 <ogra_cmpc> EOD i think
Sep 03 11:41:31 <ogra_cmpc> but that wont help you, bootloaders are still ES1.0
Sep 03 11:41:48 <lag> I have my own bootloaders ;)
Sep 03 11:42:54 <ogra_cmpc> i hope we'll have the x-loader for 1GB support in today and u-boot upgraded over the weekend
Sep 03 11:43:18 <ogra_cmpc> with luck we'll have usable ES2 images on monday
Sep 03 11:55:45 <lag> ogra_cmpc: Don't jinx it
Sep 03 11:55:59 <ogra_cmpc> heh
Sep 03 11:56:07 <ogra_cmpc> i'm trying :)
Sep 03 12:08:43 <ogra> asac, did you ever find out what your sholder pain actually was ? seems i have the same since two weeks (got really bad during this week)
Sep 03 12:30:27 <asac> ogra: yes, it was overwork
Sep 03 12:30:37 <ogra> hmm
Sep 03 12:30:38 <asac> ogra: it went away when i stopped typing so much and just having phone calls
Sep 03 12:30:46 <ogra> heh
Sep 03 12:30:48 <asac> ogra: no i am taking notes all the time on phone, it seems to come back
Sep 03 12:31:02 <asac> at least the last few days its started to be a bit of a problem again (far away from before)
Sep 03 12:31:10 <ogra> i should move to linaro ... you guys never work ... just chat on the phone :P
Sep 03 12:31:17 <asac> heh
Sep 03 12:31:28 <asac> now i chat on the phone and type almost the same amount of stuff ;
Sep 03 12:31:29 <asac> )
Sep 03 12:31:34 <asac> so much email stuff flying around :/
Sep 03 12:31:41 <ogra> it goes away for me during the morning. but comes back twice as hard at night
Sep 03 13:46:35 <rsalveti> sebjan: yep, just found we were missing some patches
Sep 03 13:46:59 <ogra> mopdenacker, its not complete yet, but so you see i didnt forget you ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPImageBuilding
Sep 03 13:47:05 <rsalveti> sebjan: will build one x-loader with full 1gb support for panda and test it here with my boards
Sep 03 13:47:09 <ogra> (the script isnt complete)
Sep 03 13:47:19 <rsalveti> so we can then have a good package
Sep 03 13:48:02 <devilhorns> ogra, quick question ... the packages you need for efl .. is that going to be for lucid or maverick or ?
Sep 03 13:49:15 <ogra> devilhorns, maverick and beyond
Sep 03 13:49:31 <ogra> devilhorns, did you manage to get a working vm setup yet ?
Sep 03 13:49:38 <devilhorns> ogra, no :(
Sep 03 13:49:52 <devilhorns> ogra, I've been at it for days and days now too :(
Sep 03 13:50:01 <ogra> did you use rootstock ?
Sep 03 13:50:05 <devilhorns> yes
Sep 03 13:50:05 <ogra> should just work
Sep 03 13:50:10 <ogra> in maverick ?
Sep 03 13:50:14 <devilhorns> yea
Sep 03 13:50:18 <ogra> hmm
Sep 03 13:50:24 <ogra> works for others ... weird
Sep 03 13:50:29 <devilhorns> works mostly in that the image builds sure
Sep 03 13:50:31 <devilhorns> but
Sep 03 13:50:50 <devilhorns> when running it in qemu, whenever I try to apt-get something, it segfaults
Sep 03 13:50:59 <ogra> what kernel do you use ?
Sep 03 13:51:17 <devilhorns> using the maverick one from ports
Sep 03 13:51:23 <devilhorns> one second, I will get you a link
Sep 03 13:52:00 <devilhorns> kernel from here: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/maverick/main/installer-armel/current/images/versatile/netboot/
Sep 03 13:52:03 <ogra> rsalveti, didnt you test with tehz maverick kernel in qemu back when you fixed rootstock ?
Sep 03 13:52:48 <ogra> devilhorns, probably try the lucid one, though i think we use the same kernel during build (which uses apt-get a lot)
Sep 03 13:53:16 <rsalveti> ogra: yup, worked fine when I tested it
Sep 03 13:53:25 <devilhorns> ogra, yes, believe I did also try the lucid one and it still segfaulted :(
Sep 03 13:53:26 <rsalveti> but qemu changed, and don't know if we got a new versatile kernel
Sep 03 13:53:31 <devilhorns> but I will give it another try
Sep 03 13:53:54 <rsalveti> still didn't test with the latest combination
Sep 03 13:53:57 <ogra> rsalveti, well, if rootstock finishes without errors with that kernel i'D expect it to still work
Sep 03 13:54:06 <rsalveti> but it should work, weird
Sep 03 13:54:18 <rsalveti> I can check later
Sep 03 13:54:59 <devilhorns> ok, I have rootstock running now, so we'll find out soon :)
Sep 03 13:58:06 <devilhorns> should I be using the rootstock from bazaar ?
Sep 03 13:58:35 <devilhorns> right now, I am just using the normal rootstock and qemu stuff from the standard maverick repo
Sep 03 13:58:37 <rsalveti> devilhorns: you can try it, but maverick's version should work the same way
Sep 03 13:58:43 <devilhorns> rsalveti, ok :)
Sep 03 13:59:10 <mopdenacker> ogra: many thanks!
Sep 03 14:00:03 <devilhorns> ogra, oh btw, talked to Lynda in H.R. and we have reached an agreement so I am certainly "in" for this :)
Sep 03 14:01:05 <ogra> devilhorns, cool ! welcome aboard then :)
Sep 03 14:04:25 <devilhorns> thanks :)
Sep 03 14:04:29 <devilhorns> ok rootstock is done
Sep 03 14:07:30 <devilhorns> ok image is built, gonna try qemu now
Sep 03 14:12:21 <devilhorns> ogra, rsalveti ok, using the lucid kernel with the qemu image and it just hangs ... gets passed most of the init (last thing I seen was Freeing kernel memory) but now looking @ a blank qemu window with a blinking cursor
Sep 03 14:12:59 <devilhorns> err Freeing init memory
Sep 03 14:14:14 <devilhorns> so that we are on the same page, here are the commands I am using:
Sep 03 14:14:15 <devilhorns> http://www.pastebin.ca/1931795
Sep 03 14:16:12 <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, ping
Sep 03 14:16:34 <ogra> devilhorns, sorry, in a call atm
Sep 03 14:16:38 <devilhorns> np
Sep 03 14:16:42 * ogra will looks afterwards
Sep 03 14:16:44 <devilhorns> lemme know when you are free :)
Sep 03 14:20:29 <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPImageBuilding
Sep 03 14:20:36 <ogra> ndec, ^^^
Sep 03 14:38:51 <apw> ogra, where do we stand on the omap4 branch?
Sep 03 14:39:17 <ogra> apw, still going forward, but the main chunk shoudl be in with the currently building package
Sep 03 14:39:52 <apw> ogra, so is the latest up and in, i thought it got rejected for safety
Sep 03 14:40:10 <ogra> it was uploaded again yesterday and is building atm
Sep 03 14:41:06 <apw> oh strange, he specifically asked me to talk to you today to see if you wanted it up ... oddness ... as long as you are happy i can cross it off
Sep 03 14:42:21 <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux-ti-omap4/2.6.35-903.8 ;)
Sep 03 14:47:36 <devilhorns> grrr silly qmeu, why do you keep segfaulting ? :(
Sep 03 14:47:50 <devilhorns> s/qemu
Sep 03 14:49:10 <rsalveti> devilhorns: yep :-( seems very buggy
Sep 03 14:49:33 <devilhorns> rsalveti, indeed ... been fighting with it all week :(
Sep 03 14:49:35 <rsalveti> devilhorns: why are you trying qemu?
Sep 03 14:49:46 <rsalveti> no omap boards?
Sep 03 14:49:50 <devilhorns> rsalveti, no
Sep 03 14:49:56 <rsalveti> hm, ok
Sep 03 14:50:06 <devilhorns> and no arm hardware either :( david mentioned sending some hardware out to me, but I dunno what
Sep 03 14:50:17 <devilhorns> (or when) :)
Sep 03 14:50:22 <rsalveti> devilhorns: where are you based?
Sep 03 14:50:26 <rsalveti> country
Sep 03 14:50:31 <devilhorns> USA
Sep 03 14:50:46 <rsalveti> devilhorns: hm, ok, so it should be fine and fast to get you a board
Sep 03 14:51:02 <devilhorns> rsalveti, yea, don't think it will be a problem
Sep 03 14:51:10 <rsalveti> a lot better then debugging qemu :-)
Sep 03 14:51:18 <devilhorns> but I wanted to get a jump on things, so I decided todo an image and try qemu
Sep 03 14:51:34 <devilhorns> so I could at least run the current netbook-efl stuff and see where the problems were, etc etc
Sep 03 14:51:44 <devilhorns> and get a jump on package building
Sep 03 14:52:12 <rsalveti> ok, makes sense
Sep 03 14:53:02 <devilhorns> if I try using the lucid kernel, the qemu image never fully boots. If I use the maverick kernel, it boots and I can login, but any attempts w/ apt-get just segfault :(
Sep 03 14:53:19 <devilhorns> frustrating
Sep 03 14:54:05 <devilhorns> if I try to seed the image w/ the netbook stuff before hand, then it just stalls at trying to configure xul-runner
Sep 03 14:54:30 <rsalveti> argh, really frustrating :-)
Sep 03 14:54:57 <devilhorns> indeed :) spent the whole week so far trying different permutations of the process just to get a usable image
Sep 03 14:56:19 <devilhorns> but there is one ray of hope....
Sep 03 14:57:10 <devilhorns> Samsung is supposed to send me a development phone (arm based) for the efl work we are doing for them, so I can fiddle w/ that when it gets here, but who knows when that is
Sep 03 14:58:23 <rsalveti> hm, nice
Sep 03 14:59:01 <devilhorns> yea :) when they get off their bumms and decide to send it :)
Sep 03 15:05:14 <dcordes> rsalveti: Congrats on the visa
Sep 03 15:05:34 <rsalveti> dcordes: haha, thanks :-)
Sep 03 15:06:19 <dcordes> Anybody seen the maverick on HD2 video ?
Sep 03 15:08:29 <devilhorns> not yet
Sep 03 15:18:10 <armin76> rsalveti: i want a pandaboard too :(
Sep 03 15:18:42 <ogra> armin76, you will soon be able ot order one
Sep 03 15:18:45 <ogra> *to
Sep 03 15:19:10 <armin76> ogra: you didn't order it :P
Sep 03 15:20:19 <ogra> armin76, well, start working for a company that works with the vendor or work on some really significant software the vendor cares about and you can get one too :)
Sep 03 15:20:52 <armin76> its easy to say when you get paid for it
Sep 03 15:20:53 <ogra> else you have to wait until its out in the world ... thats how it works (and thats not vendor specific :) )
Sep 03 15:30:41 <GrueMaster> armin76: The work we do now on prerelease boards ensures that when you get it, you can focus on what you want to do with the system, instead of tediously working around major bugs that hang the system.
Sep 03 15:32:32 <hrw> armin76: I want pandaboard too but looking at amount of base work which ubuntu-arm people need to do to get working system I am happy with waiting for final, production device
Sep 03 15:32:46 <armin76> GrueMaster: i don't mind doing that kind of work
Sep 03 15:33:16 <armin76> hrw: i like challenges
Sep 03 15:33:31 <hrw> armin76: first was ES1.0 pandas which failed to have ehci working so ugly cable was soldered for faking it. then ES2.0-6layer was released just to be replaced with ES2.0-8layer 'few days' later.
Sep 03 15:33:48 <hrw> and production ones will probably use ES2.1 which is yet another version to care about
Sep 03 15:34:12 <ogra> well, all es2 should work with our images
Sep 03 15:34:36 <hrw> and es1 is something which could be dropped probably
Sep 03 15:34:52 <ogra> it was dropped with todays kernel upload
Sep 03 15:34:58 <ogra> we only build for es2 now
Sep 03 15:35:08 <hrw> cool
Sep 03 15:35:23 <ogra> people using es1 should use beta and not upgrade :)
Sep 03 15:35:41 <ogra> with all its bugs and warts
Sep 03 15:35:50 <hrw> now let TI get final versions manufactured and I will wait for Fedex guy
Sep 03 15:47:37 <devilhorns> ogra, well, looking like I am stuck until I get some arm hardware :(
Sep 03 15:47:45 <devilhorns> sad, but what can I do ? :) I did try tho
Sep 03 15:48:12 <ogra> i'll have a talk with david once he is back (he is sick atm)
Sep 03 15:48:24 <devilhorns> ogra, ahh ok :) well I hope he feels better
Sep 03 15:48:28 <devilhorns> being sick sucks :(
Sep 03 15:48:32 <devilhorns> ogra, thanks :)
Sep 03 15:48:33 <ogra> it does
Sep 03 16:09:31 <prpplague> anyone recommend a cheap netbook that works really well with ubuntu?
Sep 03 16:09:59 <ogra> dell mini
Sep 03 16:10:28 <ogra> its the reference platform used for netbook stuff (or it used to be, not sure it still is)
Sep 03 16:10:51 <ogra> you can buy them preinstalled
Sep 03 16:11:09 <prpplague> i was hope'n to pick something up this evening
Sep 03 16:11:59 <ogra> hmm, dunno then, but most netbooks should just work imho
Sep 03 16:12:21 <ogra> just dont buy a model that only came out in sept. :)
Sep 03 16:12:40 <prpplague> hehe
Sep 03 16:13:13 <prpplague> ogra: my main concern was support for the wifi and such
Sep 03 16:14:04 <prpplague> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Inspiron+Mini+Netbook+/+Intel%26%23174%3B+Atom%26%23153%3B+Processor+/+10.1%22+Display+/+1GB+Memory+/+250GB+Hard+Drive+-+Obsidian+Black/9980598.p?id=1218204946938&skuId=9980598
Sep 03 16:14:10 <prpplague> ogra: that look about right?
Sep 03 16:15:16 <ogra> yup
Sep 03 16:15:29 <ogra> though there should abe an ubuntu version too
Sep 03 16:15:38 <ogra> usually cheaper without the win fee
Sep 03 16:16:20 <ogra> oh, indeed probably not at best buy
Sep 03 16:17:14 <sebjan> rsalveti, lag : I was able to natively build a kernel image package with the 2.6.35 kernel, by reducing to mem=460M
Sep 03 16:19:32 <lag> sebjan: How do you mean?
Sep 03 16:19:45 <lag> sebjan: We've been building 2.6.35 kernels for a while now
Sep 03 16:20:08 <ogra> lag, on your panda ?
Sep 03 16:20:26 <ogra> sebjan, thats our default atm (well, its 463M in the images)
Sep 03 16:20:43 <sebjan> lag: natively it was difficult because of crashes. Here it went to the end
Sep 03 16:21:25 <sebjan> the good news is that it was much faster than with ES1.0 (less than 2.5h)
Sep 03 16:22:31 <rsalveti> sebjan: hm, interesting
Sep 03 16:22:42 <rsalveti> so it could be a memory issue (on sw layer)
Sep 03 16:23:03 <rsalveti> sebjan: I tried yesterday but wasn't able to build it
Sep 03 16:23:08 <rsalveti> cool we now have a workaround
Sep 03 16:23:17 <rsalveti> es2 should build much faster than es1
Sep 03 16:23:41 <robclark> ogra: btw, I think with next release that 463 becomes 460..
Sep 03 16:24:22 <rsalveti> robclark: I got the patch for jasper already :-)
Sep 03 16:24:23 <ogra> robclark, k, will adjust, i think i saw you posting other cmdline options too here or in #pandaboard for the 1G
Sep 03 16:24:26 <rsalveti> pending review
Sep 03 16:24:45 <rsalveti> ogra: ^
Sep 03 16:24:46 <lag> Ah I see
Sep 03 16:24:47 <robclark> yeah.. bootargs are a bit different for 1g..
Sep 03 16:24:47 <ogra> rsalveti, yeah, i somehow need to merge that with persia's cmdline parsing change
Sep 03 16:24:50 <lag> Interesting
Sep 03 16:25:08 <rsalveti> bug 629269
Sep 03 16:25:09 <ogra> will do that over the weekend
Sep 03 16:25:11 <robclark> but sebjan and I still see some instabilities w/ 1g after some time...  I suspect there are some highmem vs smp issues, perhaps
Sep 03 16:25:11 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 629269 in jasper-initramfs (Ubuntu) "Panda ES2.0: Correct mem arguments for 1gb (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629269
Sep 03 16:25:34 <rsalveti> ogra: cool
Sep 03 16:27:03 <ogra> for now, i'm off ... (but will do the x-loader stuff later tonight as promised)
Sep 03 16:27:46 <rsalveti> ogra: ok, will push the x-loader-omap4 update also, then you can review over the weekend or monday
Sep 03 16:27:53 <ogra> oki
Sep 03 16:28:41 <rsalveti> /home/ubuntu/kernel/ubuntu-maverick/include/linux/page-flags.h:256: internal compiler error: Bus error
Sep 03 16:28:49 <rsalveti> sebjan: the error I got when compiling the kernel
Sep 03 16:29:10 <rsalveti> [ 3513.993927] Unhandled fault: imprecise external abort (0x1406) at 0x00065028
Sep 03 16:29:31 * rsalveti never saw a similar error before
Sep 03 16:29:39 <robclark> rsalveti: similar to what I've seen
Sep 03 16:29:47 <robclark> building GStreamer stuff
Sep 03 16:30:16 <rsalveti> hm, weird
Sep 03 16:30:48 <robclark> rsalveti / sebjan:  one thought.. I suppose you could try booting with 'nosmp' in bootargs, and see if highmem issues go away..  that would be one way to see if they are smp related
Sep 03 16:32:44 <sebjan> rsalveti: same error I see while building the kernel
Sep 03 16:33:27 <rsalveti> robclark: yep, would be good if we could isolate it
Sep 03 16:34:29 <robclark> maybe over the weekend I'll leave it rebuilding some stuff in a loop overnight.. and see how it is in the morning
Sep 03 16:44:51 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> I have a question what apps are available for ubuntu ARM
Sep 03 16:44:54 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> ??
Sep 03 16:45:20 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> I'd be looking for stuff like GIMP, Scribus or openoffice
Sep 03 16:46:10 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> I am asking because I was looking at getting the tegra powered notion ink adam
Sep 03 16:47:49 <rsalveti> gimp and scribus should work fine, I believe
Sep 03 16:48:01 <rsalveti> openoffice there is the java issue
Sep 03 16:48:09 <rsalveti> no java at the moment
Sep 03 16:48:28 <rsalveti> you'll probably have issues with mono-based applications
Sep 03 16:54:26 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> mono-based??
Sep 03 16:55:53 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> well openoffice isn't really a must have but I might need just a basic office suite
Sep 03 16:58:42 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> I definitely need Karbon14, or some other vector based appz
Sep 03 17:00:55 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> I am a designer incase you didn't know LOL
Sep 03 17:03:47 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> anybody home?
Sep 03 17:17:52 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> hello?
Sep 03 17:24:27 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> does xarax work on arm based ubuntu?
Sep 03 19:14:43 <tommd> I'm having issues booting Mavrick Alpha on the touchbook - has anyone gotten that going?
Sep 03 20:11:39 <DanaG> ES1.0?  is that ES as in GL ES, or Engineering Sample?  I had never considered it meaning the second.
Sep 03 20:11:46 <DanaG> Say, is NDA still in place on specs and such?
Sep 03 20:12:00 <DanaG> And release date?
Sep 03 20:14:26 <DanaG> It's also a bummer most of the connectivity is just USB 2.0... it'd be nice to have the stuff Marvell has, such as mPCIe and SATA and GbE.  Too bad Marvell lacks NEON.
Sep 03 20:34:45 <robclark> DanaG: ES == engineering sample..
Sep 03 20:35:07 <robclark> I'm not sure about board specs and that sort of thing for panda..  but I don't think it is a big secret..
Sep 03 20:35:16 <robclark> and OMAP4430 TRM is public now
Sep 03 20:35:47 <DanaG> Ah, what I'm most curious about is whether it's more like Beagle C4, or like Beagle XM.  Also curious when it'll be buy-able.
Sep 03 20:36:54 <robclark> I think closer to beagle XM
Sep 03 20:37:22 <DanaG> Cool.
Sep 03 20:37:36 <tommd> What device?
Sep 03 20:37:47 <robclark> panda
Sep 03 20:37:50 <tommd> ah
Sep 03 20:38:17 <robclark> (well, either that or DanaG and I are talking about two different things ;-))
Sep 03 20:39:09 <DanaG> Yup, panda.
Sep 03 20:39:25 <DanaG> I think that'd be a much cooler thing to have as a router, than a real router.
Sep 03 20:39:33 <DanaG> s/real/consumer/
Sep 03 20:39:37 <DanaG> Would just need an access point to go with it.
Sep 03 22:18:25 <dcordes> DanaG: Use some usb wifi device which supports master mode to create your panda ap ?
Sep 03 22:18:34 <dcordes> DanaG: ap = access point
Sep 03 22:22:06 <DanaG> Do any USB wifi things even do Master?
Sep 03 22:22:30 <DanaG> The only USB wifi-stick I have on hand is a crappy rtl8187, that actually won't even work at ALL on ARM.
Sep 03 22:23:12 <DanaG> It tries to join SSIDs with garbage characters as names... seems like uninitialized memory.
Sep 03 23:26:37 <DanaG> dang: powervr drivers have no omapfb_dri.so (or such) for real GLX.
Sep 03 23:27:50 <DanaG> Say, what does GMA500 get?  If gma500 gets GLX, then why does OMAP SGX not get GLX?
Sep 04 00:53:38 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> anybody here
Sep 04 00:53:40 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> ??
Sep 04 00:57:01 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> how is the performance of an ARM processor vs an X86 for things like GIMP
Sep 04 01:00:07 <Baybal> gimp it depends on version
Sep 04 01:00:27 <Baybal> before gegl it was mostly integer based
Sep 04 01:00:39 <Baybal> now its mostly float math based
Sep 04 01:00:59 <Baybal> arm is not a best float point performer on the market
Sep 04 01:01:30 <Baybal> although A8 knocks down atoms in integer ops
Sep 04 01:01:56 <robclark> fwiw, cortex-a9 is better at fp... but integer and single precision float has more potential for simd..
Sep 04 01:02:33 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> well i was looking at getting a tegra based tablet for design work on the go
Sep 04 01:03:25 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> so i'd be running things like inkscape, scribus, karbon14
Sep 04 01:04:22 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> would these perform ok??
Sep 04 01:04:48 <robclark> on tegra, no idea
Sep 04 01:07:03 * prpplague pokes robclark in the eye with a sharp stick
Sep 04 01:07:13 <robclark> ouch
Sep 04 01:07:14 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_250.html
Sep 04 01:08:18 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> its a cortex-a9
Sep 04 01:08:59 <robclark> Vic_Sage_The_Que: so, I guess the answer is maybe ;-)
Sep 04 01:09:22 <robclark> I've not played with one, so I can't really say for sure
Sep 04 01:10:35 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> has anybody done something like this I was looking at getting a notion ink adam and dual booting android and ubuntu arm
Sep 04 01:10:59 <robclark> are they even available already?
Sep 04 01:11:16 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> theres devices using similar hardware
Sep 04 01:13:01 <Vic_Sage_The_Que> toshiba folio 100
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