**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010 Sep 04 09:52:02 OMG ! they sell the toshiba AC100 around the corner here Sep 04 09:52:06 * ogra_cmpc just found out Sep 04 09:54:40 NCommander, persia, anyone intrested ? its 380 euro (tegra2, 512M) and qwertz kbd ... i could bring one to UDS Sep 04 10:23:49 ogra_cmpc: what's an AC100? Sep 04 10:23:54 oh wait Sep 04 10:23:56 YES! Sep 04 10:28:11 nice.. apart from the qwertz keyboard ;) Sep 04 10:28:19 * kblin shakes his head Sep 04 10:28:28 kblin: that can be fixed with a keymap Sep 04 10:28:40 <- *dvorak keyboard user (at times)* Sep 04 10:28:48 NCommander: but it's irritating.. I'm doing that at work already Sep 04 10:29:34 kblin: it could be worse Sep 04 10:29:46 true, could be windows Sep 04 10:29:50 ogra_cmpc: do you have a picture (I'm pretty sure I want one, but I can't find a pic of it here) Sep 04 10:29:58 with it's broken version of focus-follows-mouse Sep 04 10:30:09 engadget had one Sep 04 10:30:14 first google hit for me Sep 04 10:31:09 too bad I already reached my gadget allowance for this year.. Sep 04 10:31:26 kblin: w.r.t. to Android, remapping is trivial if it can be rooted Sep 04 10:31:38 and if the kernel doesn't suck, it should run Ubuntu just fine. Sep 04 10:31:38 linux support on the tegra2 is kinda awful Sep 04 10:31:53 I shouldn't have told my $significant_other that the dockstar I got was a computer Sep 04 10:34:45 NCommander, only in a herman news article http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/10-Zoll-Netbook-Toshiba-AC100-mit-Nvidia-Tegra-250-und-Android-2-1-1072519.html Sep 04 10:34:50 *german Sep 04 10:35:08 try google translate... at the bottom there is a picture series Sep 04 10:36:09 kblin, well, its a german version ... so it has a german kbd Sep 04 10:36:44 ogra_cmpc: sure. it's an uphill fight for me all the time to get a decent programming keyboard that has the right size enter key Sep 04 10:36:56 heh Sep 04 10:38:00 the other differences are irellevant, but the shape of the enter key and thus the positition of the \ key, that can't be fixed by keymaps Sep 04 10:39:02 well, i find the price quite high, the kbd looks ok to me Sep 04 10:39:03 ogra_cmpc: its not hard to change the keymap. Sep 04 10:39:24 but i usually use german kbd mapping anyway Sep 04 10:40:47 and 512M are quite low Sep 04 10:42:24 * kblin shrugs Sep 04 10:42:31 low, heh Sep 04 10:42:43 compared to the panda ... Sep 04 10:42:46 60% or my ARM devices have 128MB only Sep 04 10:43:07 tegra also has no neon Sep 04 10:43:50 and given it comes with android the question is can you get a normal linux kernel source for it to run ubuntu Sep 04 10:44:25 well, if you're comparing it with the omap4, then its going to suck for sure :) Sep 04 10:44:44 right Sep 04 10:44:52 and for that i find it a bit expensive Sep 04 10:45:07 though SATA makes it intresting again Sep 04 10:45:28 oh, it has sata? the dev board doesn't Sep 04 10:45:58 the tech data i find everywhere for it says 8G SATA SSD Sep 04 10:46:28 might indeed be attached through USB or something simlary weird Sep 04 10:46:40 probably Sep 04 10:46:51 the ethernet on the dev board is usb too Sep 04 10:48:19 and not sure if you've ever seen this on other platforms, but the nvidia linux development kit uses ubuntu and a daemon for something :D Sep 04 10:49:30 omap4 is developed natively on ubuntu ;) doesnt need a daemon or kit Sep 04 10:50:40 yeah well, nvidia is "special" regarding linux Sep 04 10:51:01 the bootloader used is still the one for android, fastboot Sep 04 10:55:26 armin76: if it is unlocked, or not hard to unlock, that's trivial to get around. Sep 04 10:57:00 NCommander: you'd first need to check it the tegra kernel supports the toshiba :) Sep 04 11:03:31 armin76: heh Sep 04 11:06:52 which is unlikely Sep 04 11:07:03 http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=tree Sep 04 11:10:25 sorry, this one: http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/android-tegra-2.6.32;hb=android-tegra-2.6.32 Sep 04 12:49:33 cwillu, ping.. (btrfs) Sep 04 15:03:17 Not real exciting, but here's a shot of Gnash doping YouTube on the Sharp NetWalker: http://www.gnashdev.org/images/IMGP2581.JPG Sep 04 15:03:25 this machine runs Jaunty Sep 04 15:04:51 you're right ... not real exciting ;) Sep 04 15:08:12 ewww red ... couldn't they have used a better color ? uff Sep 04 15:14:51 I had too many black netbooks :-) Sep 04 15:15:19 the netwalker is mostly for armel demos Sep 04 15:15:25 ahhh :) yea that seems to be the standard color Sep 04 15:16:09 at least with a red one, I can tell it's not one of my mipsel netbooks Sep 04 15:16:29 true :) Sep 04 15:16:41 the netwalker only runs flashlite, so doesn't handle youtube Sep 04 15:16:50 but with gnash it does :-) Sep 04 15:16:55 :) Sep 04 15:19:17 the wonders of free software... now if I could just get maverick running on the netwalker, I'd be happy Sep 04 15:23:13 hehe Sep 04 15:25:53 I was bummed to see ubuntu drop i.mx51 support, but oh well... Sep 04 15:32:35 rsavoye: Note that the BSP isn't getting updated for latest kernels Sep 04 15:32:53 also, tracking BSPs is painful; if it was just for the upstream kernel, it would be easier Sep 04 15:32:56 yes, but I don't plan to fix it Sep 04 15:33:14 I know, I used to write BSPs for a living Sep 04 15:33:41 I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but I may have just fixed pr 323 and pr484. Sep 04 15:33:51 I know you're not going to fix it, but you said you were bummed that Ubuntu dropped i.mx51 support :-) Sep 04 15:36:04 ubuntu dropped i.mx51 support? Sep 04 15:49:39 lool: ^ Sep 04 15:54:23 armin76: well we dropped the bsp Sep 04 15:54:27 linux-fsl-imx51 Sep 04 15:54:39 but linaro builds an upstream imx51 flavour Sep 04 15:55:25 ah well, thanks Sep 04 15:57:35 ah, interesting. just released Sep 04 16:26:38 * cwillu pokes rcn-ee Sep 04 17:04:34 yippie, my fixed arm assembler for OpenJDK passes the test suite :-) Sep 04 17:05:25 it actually gets better results than the interpreted mode Sep 04 17:06:30 rsalveti: JIT? Sep 04 17:06:58 thumb2 JIT appears to be working as well now Sep 04 17:07:04 damn gcc optimizer bug :-( Sep 04 17:07:06 nice Sep 04 17:07:51 working with b20 in icedtea6 HEAD too :-) Sep 04 17:08:32 al the test that failed with interpreted mode are now just errors, but passing Sep 04 17:29:49 yep, slightly better results than the arm interpreter, now running the langtools tests Sep 04 17:39:25 http://www.senecass.com/projects/OpenJDK-ARM/icedtea6-armel-asm/hotspot/ Sep 04 20:48:00 * cwillu_at_work pokes rcn-ee again Sep 04 21:00:03 hey cwillu_at_work, was testing out btrfs, do you use differnet bootargs (such as 'rw') or disable fsck in /etc/fstab? Sep 04 21:00:49 rcn-ee, both Sep 04 21:01:11 btrfs's fsck doesn't do anything yet, although somebody's working on that Sep 04 21:01:49 or rather, fsck doesn't _fix_ anything yet, and fails at the same point that btrfs would itself detect an error Sep 04 21:04:36 well, that's what I do on my beagle images Sep 04 21:05:04 I've got two desktop's with btrfs roots as well, they're both ro with nothing done to disable fsck Sep 04 21:08:05 Thanks cwillu_at_work, i remember you saying the btrfs's fsck wasn't ready, so i wasn't sure which method you did to get it to boot.. (it fails when trying to find the fake btrfs fsck from btrfs-tools) Sep 05 01:30:58 ogra_cmpc: hey bud Sep 05 01:32:06 anyone if there is a laptop/netbook compatibility page somewhere? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:57 2010