**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 06 02:59:57 2010 Sep 06 03:29:28 mine too Sep 06 03:30:35 I added a 16GB SD card to a a Sharp NetWalker, so very portable ARM build machine Sep 06 03:35:54 hmm, can you run ubuntu on it? Lucid and Maverick, specifically. Sep 06 03:36:27 ah, Freescale i.MX515. Sep 06 03:36:33 A bit expensive for the specs, though. Sep 06 03:39:08 I'm running a maverick chroot Sep 06 03:39:40 yeah, pricy compared to the other imx51 machines, but smaller, and has a touchscreen and keyboard Sep 06 03:40:06 I couldn't find anything else that was actually available. got a road trip ion a few days... Sep 06 03:40:33 at least it' Sep 06 03:40:49 s twice as fast as a beagleboard :-) Sep 06 03:45:21 Talk about setting the bar low. :-) Sep 06 03:48:04 error: implicit declaration of function '__cpu_to_be16' Sep 06 07:59:28 morning Sep 06 08:42:53 evening Sep 06 09:27:50 ogra: hi. is it possible for me to know which version of package was pulled in a daily image? Sep 06 09:32:49 ndec, not currently, i'm working on a fix for deploying the .manifest files for preinstalled images Sep 06 09:33:16 ogra_cmpc: thx. so which kernel version was used in the 09/06 image? Sep 06 09:33:33 ndec, the latest from sebjan's tree Sep 06 09:34:31 ndec, but still the ES1 x-loader so i think they wont boot ... new x-loader was just uploaded and i'll do a 0906.1 image as soon as it shows up in the archive Sep 06 09:34:48 ogra_cmpc: thx. I think this isn't the latest but this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/2.6.35-903.8, right? bryan has made a new pull request over the week end for 8-layer board. Sep 06 09:35:24 ogra_cmpc: ok. i see. so the current image will work on 6 layer ES2.0. on 8-layer the USB host isn't working (as per my email) Sep 06 09:35:25 yes, its the one we got during the beta freeze Sep 06 09:36:36 ndec, ok, i'll make sure we'll get the patch in asap Sep 06 09:55:31 cooloney, are you on top of the above ^^^^ ? Sep 06 10:02:14 ogra: i just got my new ES2.0 board booting with the kernel 903.9 based on sebjan's latest tree Sep 06 10:02:17 builds for 20100906.1 are running, we should have a working ES2.0 (6 layer) image in about 2h Sep 06 10:02:36 cooloney, 6 or 8 layer ? Sep 06 10:02:44 ogra: will test the usb host soon Sep 06 10:02:47 (6 layer is painted black, 8 is green) Sep 06 10:02:57 ogra: it's 8 layer, green one Sep 06 10:03:04 ok Sep 06 10:06:25 ogra and ndec, usb host works on my es2.0 8 layer board Sep 06 10:06:40 with the current kernel package from the archive ? Sep 06 10:09:15 cooloney: ^^^^ Sep 06 10:11:07 ndec: http://people.canonical.com/~roc/kernel/omap4/ Sep 06 10:11:43 i just prepared a branch for our ti-omap4 updates Sep 06 10:11:54 cooloney: so this is with all patches from sebjan, not current archive, right? Sep 06 10:11:54 it is based on sebjan's latest branch Sep 06 10:12:06 ndec: yeah, exactly Sep 06 10:12:19 it is still waiting for review and pull Sep 06 10:17:12 ah, k Sep 06 10:44:46 ndec, If you've *booted* a daily image, `dpkg -l ${packagename}` will tell you which version you have (although the .manifest files will let one discover that without booting) Sep 06 10:45:05 i just added a fix for the manifest files Sep 06 10:45:11 next builds should have it Sep 06 10:46:20 Are you running one manually, or tomorrow's daily? Sep 06 10:46:57 manually atm Sep 06 10:47:18 for ES2.0 ... Sep 06 10:47:35 we had a gcc breakdown over the weekend, so i held back the x-loader fixes Sep 06 10:47:44 and only uploaded them this morning Sep 06 10:48:00 Saw that. Much thanks to ScottK for helping sort that. Sep 06 10:52:59 grmpf Sep 06 10:53:05 * ogra mumbles something about disconnects Sep 06 10:54:02 Someone needs to write a good multi-host IRC client. I've heard of irssi scripts that try, but there's no good reason we oughtn't be able to have two proxies on two hosts, and have our clients connect to the proxies, and have it all get sorted. Sep 06 10:54:36 well, if my line goes down a proxy behind the gw doesnt help much Sep 06 10:54:39 down is down Sep 06 10:55:17 The idea would be to put one proxy behind e.g. your line, and one proxy behind e.g. my line (and let me have a proxy behind yours), and we'd not lose backscroll. Sep 06 10:55:48 which makes disconnects less bad, assuming the client has infinite backscroll features (like e.g. quassel) Sep 06 10:55:58 or xchat Sep 06 10:56:14 xchat doesn't have infinite backscroll, does it? Sep 06 10:56:25 * persia hasn't found a way to have more than about a week before xchat crashes on startup Sep 06 10:56:35 i have logs since 2004 for the ubuntu channels on my disk Sep 06 10:56:47 several gig Sep 06 10:57:09 But can you reach them with PgUp in your client? Sep 06 10:57:24 no and i wouldnt want to :) Sep 06 10:58:02 i have 5000 line scrollback set or some such, for more i look at the local logs Sep 06 10:58:26 Makes sense. Having infinite backscroll basically just integrates the experience of looking at the logs, as one does it in one's client. Sep 06 10:58:33 Anyway, well-off-topic for this channel :) Sep 06 10:58:49 heh, yeah Sep 06 10:59:02 persia, did you see the new pulse bug above ? Sep 06 10:59:24 oh, it wasnt on IRC ... only in mail Sep 06 10:59:35 bug 631362 Sep 06 10:59:36 Launchpad bug 631362 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Include several configuration files (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631362 Sep 06 11:01:15 I don't like it architecturally (we ought sort things so that we don't need to do that), but that's long-term, really. I have no objections for maverick, assuming that it either backports sanely, or there's a new upstream pull for Maverick anyway. Sep 06 11:01:41 yeah, i'm waiting for TheMuso to reply Sep 06 11:01:56 i pinged him in -devel ... assuming he's back from vac. Sep 06 11:02:15 He is, but you pinged him late local time. Sep 06 11:02:24 yep Sep 06 11:02:41 persia, oh, btw, did you see my ping on the weekend ? Sep 06 11:03:02 i have access to toshiba ac100's for 380€ here Sep 06 11:03:28 (tegra2 based netbook) Sep 06 11:03:43 I did. It's larger and heavier than I like, and has less battery power than other devices I can source locally. Sep 06 11:03:49 Err, less battery life. Sep 06 11:04:03 Oh, and it has the same annoying issue of needing special kernels :( Sep 06 11:04:11 yes Sep 06 11:04:17 its very very light though Sep 06 11:04:21 That said, if you're planning to make a clean kernel available (or know someone who is), I'll take one as a buildd. Sep 06 11:04:23 i took a look on saturday Sep 06 11:04:32 It's heavier than a netwalker :p Sep 06 11:04:46 but has a full sized kbd and reasonable display Sep 06 11:05:04 sure, even my n900 is heavier than a netwalker i guess :) Sep 06 11:05:24 I think n900 is about 30g lighter than netwalker. netwalker and ac100 have the same resolution. Sep 06 11:05:25 (given the amount of metal in the case) Sep 06 11:05:56 i did say resolution above on purpose (since i knew you would come up with that) ;) Sep 06 11:06:06 *didnt Sep 06 11:06:23 heh, you said "reasonable display": I prefer DPI to size :) Sep 06 11:06:29 Anyway, food. Sep 06 11:06:34 enjoy Sep 06 11:49:06 morning Sep 06 11:49:24 heya Sep 06 11:54:00 hm, cooloney is not here anymore Sep 06 11:54:33 any issues ? Sep 06 11:56:09 ogra: not much, I sent an email with my current issues already, just wanted to hear more testing feedback from current sebjan's tree Sep 06 11:56:20 ah Sep 06 11:56:32 well, the USB issues with 8 layer boards seem to be in the works Sep 06 11:56:38 it's the last bit to have es2 6 and 8 layer support Sep 06 11:57:04 cool Sep 06 11:57:05 right, i guess there is a pull request for it (that was discussed above) Sep 06 11:57:29 now we just have the weird bug we face when building the kernel Sep 06 11:57:33 when using 1gb Sep 06 11:57:34 rsalveti, on a sidenote the 20100906.1 image should have all your x-loader changes Sep 06 11:57:46 * ogra is just zsyncing Sep 06 11:57:59 ogra: nice, will do the same, thanks Sep 06 11:58:54 ogra: then we can start using 1gb already, but need to change the kernel cmd line at jasper Sep 06 11:58:57 rsalveti: I did some more testing: I cannot reproduce the issue if I disable highmem support in the kernel config (so around 760M are acces-able without highmem) Sep 06 11:59:01 i would have uploaded earlier, but the gcc desaster somehow kept me from it (wouldnt have built until this morning anyway due to it) Sep 06 11:59:14 rsalveti, jasper was uploaded too Sep 06 11:59:25 ogra: oh, cool Sep 06 11:59:32 sure, np Sep 06 11:59:35 i still need to modify persia's patch but decided to make the change first Sep 06 11:59:36 sebjan: interesting Sep 06 11:59:42 sebjan: did you test without smp? Sep 06 11:59:50 rsalveti: I can easily reproduce problems by using memtester Sep 06 12:00:00 ogra, Anything you didn't like about my patch, or just integration with the moving trunk? Sep 06 12:00:05 sebjan: nice, easier Sep 06 12:00:26 persia, the changes of the defaults in omap4 need to be adjusted Sep 06 12:00:33 rsalveti: with memtester, I can reproduce the issue with 'nosmp' Sep 06 12:00:40 persia, your patch is fine by the looks of it Sep 06 12:00:57 rsalveti: sudo memtester -p 0xb0000000 120 Sep 06 12:01:00 Ah, good. Yeah, any changes need to get integrated into that :) Sep 06 12:01:07 rsalveti: when it cashes, it's quite fast Sep 06 12:01:11 sebjan: hm, interesting Sep 06 12:10:01 persia: thanks for your comment... i was looking for package version before booting the image ;-) Sep 06 12:10:34 That *should* be available soon, based on the traffic in the relevant channel. Sep 06 12:11:11 my patch sdaly had a thinko ... already doing a rebuild Sep 06 12:15:36 ndec, et voila ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.manifest Sep 06 12:15:48 err Sep 06 12:15:57 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.manifest indeed :) Sep 06 12:16:26 awesome Sep 06 12:16:29 GrueMaster, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.manifest with love and kisses :) Sep 06 12:16:42 (he is waiting the longest for it i think :) ) Sep 06 12:18:30 * ogra takes a break Sep 06 12:35:54 ogra: thanks for the image, and thanks for the manifest ! Sep 06 12:36:29 ogra: i downloaded beta image, how do I use zsync now? never used it... Sep 06 12:37:07 you need the .gz file from last download around Sep 06 12:37:47 ogra: so I can't do this from the beta .gz... Sep 06 12:38:13 then in the same dir you just call zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100906.2/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz.zsync Sep 06 12:39:26 it pulls down the .zsync file, compares the changes and then downloads the differences and applies them to the existing .img.gz file Sep 06 12:54:01 hmm, seems i dont have *any* USB support on the ES2 Sep 06 12:54:12 neither on the 6 nor on the 8 layer Sep 06 12:57:45 ogra: guess what... it worked ;-) I had to use '-i' option for the beta file since it has a difference name, but this is much better! Sep 06 12:58:00 yeah, its quite fast :) Sep 06 13:05:07 hrm, i though the USB issue only affects 8 layer boards Sep 06 13:08:39 ogra: you can try the uImage from http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/maverick/kernel/es2/linux-image-2.6.35-903-omap4_2.6.35-903.8rsalveti1_armel.deb, that includes the latest not-yet released patches Sep 06 13:08:54 I created to test the new patches we're getting Sep 06 13:09:44 but I also thought that it'd affect just the 8 layer board Sep 06 13:10:13 once the image download finish I'll try on my 6 layer Sep 06 13:24:33 hmm, i should probably also drop the hardcoded usb0 stuff from jasper now Sep 06 13:27:41 hmm, it also looks like the display driver is completely broken now Sep 06 13:27:50 ogra: yep, should work ok without it Sep 06 13:28:11 no output during resize :/ Sep 06 13:28:20 dang ... it all worked so well before Sep 06 13:28:25 ogra: this is what I'm getting http://www.flickr.com/photos/rsalveti/4932601965/, but beside that it seems to be working fine Sep 06 13:29:01 lucky you Sep 06 13:29:14 ogra: hm, you probably testing the new hdmi patches for the first time Sep 06 13:29:33 ogra: are you testing with current deb file or from mine? Sep 06 13:29:34 i dont even get a signal Sep 06 13:29:42 still with the current image Sep 06 13:29:56 hm, ok, you could try with mine because we also have some more new patches Sep 06 13:30:02 i freshly dd'ed it again, booting the 6 layer ... no display no nothing Sep 06 13:30:06 and one that fixed a possible regression with many monitors Sep 06 13:30:39 i *saw* the oem-config screen already on that image Sep 06 13:30:44 * ogra doesnt get it Sep 06 13:31:24 hm Sep 06 13:35:13 now thats weird Sep 06 13:35:21 seems it didnt even boot at all Sep 06 13:35:37 ouch Sep 06 13:35:45 at the fifth try with the same SD i now get output on the screen and it is *resizing* ! Sep 06 13:37:13 i dont get why it didnt resize the 4 times before yet Sep 06 13:37:29 i guess i should start from scratch and check with serial console set upü Sep 06 13:38:50 Gruemaster reported a couple cases where it didn't resize on some boots but did on others, with same SD and same image. Sep 06 13:39:03 Might be something transient, or a race, etc. Sep 06 13:39:37 ogra: and check your sd card :-) Sep 06 13:39:51 * rsalveti never saw it Sep 06 13:40:19 persia, it doent boot Sep 06 13:40:24 *doesnt Sep 06 13:40:41 so it doesnt get to the resize step Sep 06 13:40:53 i assume the kernel locks up before Sep 06 13:41:23 * ogra blames lag Sep 06 13:41:25 I don't have enough information to say if that is the same behaviour or not. Sep 06 13:41:26 ogra: add earlyprintk=ttyO2 and serial console Sep 06 13:41:36 then you'll see what's wrong Sep 06 13:42:05 some instability is expected with the 2.6.35 hehe :-) Sep 06 13:42:17 well, thats very odd instability Sep 06 13:43:12 what we know from now is that the highmem support is making our kernel instable atm Sep 06 13:43:36 but it should work most of the time, we only got issues when stressing the system Sep 06 13:45:42 * ogra is brave and tries the ES1 Sep 06 13:46:26 haha, at least your usb will be broken, if you get the kernel to boot Sep 06 13:47:11 well, if it would boot :) Sep 06 13:47:16 same hang it seems Sep 06 13:47:36 ogra: any message at your console? Sep 06 13:47:59 nope, at least not without fiddling with the cdmline (which i didnt do yet) Sep 06 13:48:06 Starting kernel ... Sep 06 13:48:06 Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. Sep 06 14:04:32 rsalveti, so dropping the mem args seems to make it boot on all boards Sep 06 14:07:28 ogra: interesting, so the memory issue we saw is affecting more than we wanted Sep 06 14:08:06 so it seems that the best for now would be to disable highmem and use 760M, as sebjan pointed before Sep 06 14:08:32 * ogra takes back the 'all' ... doesnt boot the ES1 Sep 06 14:08:38 but who cares :P Sep 06 14:08:56 well, currently i dotn have any mem arg at all Sep 06 14:09:04 thats likely wrong too Sep 06 14:09:11 yup Sep 06 14:09:24 but i get through to oem-config at least Sep 06 14:09:36 let me add the stuff back and fiddle more with the cmdline Sep 06 14:09:46 ok Sep 06 14:10:17 argh, just finished the download, very slow Sep 06 14:10:21 will test it now Sep 06 14:13:17 HA ! Sep 06 14:13:35 ogra: and? Sep 06 14:13:44 * ogra blames lag ... i said so from the beginning ! i get the same errors he had last week ! Sep 06 14:13:57 (indeed its not his fault *g*) Sep 06 14:14:06 ogra: what errors? Sep 06 14:14:18 http://paste.ubuntu.com/489261/ Sep 06 14:14:54 good old ASoC Sep 06 14:15:24 WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-ti-omap4-2.6.34/sound/soc/soc-jack.c:67 snd_soc_jack_report+0x30/0x100() Sep 06 14:15:33 * rsalveti asks why 2.6.34... Sep 06 14:15:50 probably just old builddir Sep 06 14:15:50 oh, intresting Sep 06 14:15:57 that shouldnt be ... Sep 06 14:16:34 I2C write to TSP61305 failed Sep 06 14:16:41 ogra: which board are you using? Sep 06 14:17:14 the black one Sep 06 14:17:21 6 layer if i'm not wrong Sep 06 14:18:10 yep Sep 06 14:25:12 ogra: and for the led to work we still need a patch at u-boot Sep 06 14:25:53 I sent it already for sakoman, and as soon he get it applied at his tree I'll ping jcrigby to update linaro's package Sep 06 14:26:07 then we'll have it working Sep 06 14:26:12 k Sep 06 14:26:40 ok, time to try the image with my es2 6 Sep 06 14:31:57 first boot is still with mem=463M, so not mem related Sep 06 14:32:09 ouch, booom :-) Sep 06 14:32:58 hm.... Sep 06 14:33:03 Linux version 2.6.34-903-omap4 (buildd@hawthorn) (gcc version 4.4.5 20100728 (prerelease) (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-8ubuntu1) ) #7-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 5 16:12:58 UTC 2010 Sep 06 14:33:05 ogra: ^ Sep 06 14:33:53 linux-image-2.6.34-903-omap4 2.6.34-903.7 Sep 06 14:33:57 linux-image-omap4 2.6.35.903.4 Sep 06 14:34:05 no meta upload? Sep 06 14:35:24 awwwww !!!!! Sep 06 14:35:28 bah ! Sep 06 14:35:38 rsalveti, you rock ! Sep 06 14:40:34 cool :-) Sep 06 14:41:22 ogra: we need to ping cooloney to always request a meta-upload when sending a tree update Sep 06 14:41:41 it's the second time we face similar issues Sep 06 14:55:19 ogra: this is really bad luck ;-) Sep 06 14:55:56 heh, yeah Sep 06 14:56:30 i could have looked at the manifest file :P Sep 06 15:05:13 lunch! Sep 06 15:19:04 ogra: if the initial install fails for some reasons, is it possible to restart the installer from scratch without reflashing the SD card? Sep 06 15:24:40 ndec, fails ? in what way ? Sep 06 15:24:58 ogra: i don't know... just an open question ;-) Sep 06 15:25:28 ogra: if I don't plug the hdmi before booting, what happens? Sep 06 15:25:32 well, if the resizing fails you are kind of screwed Sep 06 15:25:58 if the resizing works you will always get to eom-config until you finished it properly Sep 06 15:26:13 the critical part is the re-partitioning and resizing Sep 06 15:26:26 *oem-config Sep 06 15:28:43 ogra: can we get a console prompt on the console by default? Sep 06 15:28:53 ogra: I am not asking for a root console, just a prompt Sep 06 15:29:48 well, i'm still planning to add teh code that brings up a getty on serial, but that requires that you fiddle with boot.scr and add a console= line Sep 06 15:30:06 * ogra wont add that by default Sep 06 15:30:49 jasper will see a bunch of changes before final freeze, thats one of the ones on my list Sep 06 15:38:49 ogra, rsalveti, robclark: i just tested with a new display (Full HD, ACER AT 2355) and it worked out of the box. xrandr tells me 1920x1080p. I just had to set the 'HDMI scan info' to underscan in the TV menu. Sep 06 15:39:51 ndec, i suppose not with the kernel on the image though, right ? Sep 06 15:40:19 ogra: right, I should have said this... i am using a different MLO, uboot and uImage. the ones that you will get soon too Sep 06 15:40:45 i think we wont get any newer MLO anymore Sep 06 15:41:04 ours should be the latest Sep 06 15:41:14 (uploaded this morning) Sep 06 15:41:30 it depends the latest of whom ;-) Sep 06 15:42:04 rsalveti pulled teh recent changes from sakoman i think ... i uploaded that today Sep 06 15:42:40 * new upstream release Sep 06 15:42:40 - adds Omap 4 ES2 6 layer and 8 layer support (LP: #624652) Sep 06 15:42:40 - uses branch omap4_panda_L24.9 from http://gitorious.org/pandaboard/x-loader Sep 06 15:42:40 - es2 compatible only Sep 06 15:42:40 * adding 02-panda-fix-ddr-timings.patch and 03-panda-x-loader-emif-1gb-support.patch Sep 06 15:42:41 to have 1gb support Sep 06 15:43:57 for u-boot we wait for some additional fixes and for linaro to pull them into the package Sep 06 15:45:15 ogra: ok. I logged in with the desktop, not UNE, but apps still open full window. is that expected or is it a bug? Sep 06 15:45:51 * ogra thinks the bug is rather that you can select a desktop session :P Sep 06 15:45:58 well, file one, i'll take a look Sep 06 15:46:11 smells like metacity is somehow overridden Sep 06 15:46:59 its just silly that we have to ship a full desktop just to make GDM happy Sep 06 15:47:12 such a waste of space ... Sep 06 15:48:11 * ogra really looks forward to http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2010/07/lightdm.html Sep 06 15:48:34 then we only need to ship what the session needs (the panel and some applets) Sep 06 15:48:59 ogra: i need to open the bug against which package? metacity? Sep 06 15:49:01 or gdm? Sep 06 15:49:12 nah Sep 06 15:49:50 try gnome-session but make clear its arm related and only happens if you have efl too Sep 06 15:56:21 * ogra goes afk now Sep 06 22:33:03 it seems, that we might get EFL 1.0 in 11.04 :) Sep 06 23:47:34 Could someone else with a maverick chroot confirm my experience that installing ca-certificates-java doesn't generate all the segfaults shown in ttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/55096689/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.libservlet2.4-java_5.0.30-12_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? Sep 07 00:29:34 ogra: / ogra_cmpc gotta find time this week to upload a laptop report for the ubuntu compatibility Sep 07 00:31:24 prpplague, What sort of report? The checkbox run, or something more? Sep 07 00:32:07 persia: just compatibility with the acer aspire one AO751 , it wasn't in the list and there were a couple tweaks that had to do Sep 07 00:34:36 Probably best to file bugs about the tweaks: I don't know that anyone is specifically targeting a list of "supported netbooks" just now (although I may be mistaken) Sep 07 00:35:19 And filing a checkbox profile may also help, as it increases the numbers for your specific HW, which may or may not have any effect on the prioritisation of driver support by the kernel team :) Sep 07 00:36:17 persia: indeed, just finding the time is the issue Sep 07 00:36:29 too many irons in the fire this week Sep 07 00:38:46 persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop Sep 07 01:07:41 prpplague, Oh, cool. I had thought that team defunct. Great to see them working again. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 07 02:59:57 2010