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Sep 18 09:41:00 <ogra_cmpc> wohoo !
Sep 18 09:41:14 * ogra_cmpc managed to get root on the toshiba ac100
Sep 18 09:49:22 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, how did you do it?.
Sep 18 09:49:51 <ogra_cmpc> there is a tool called rageagainstthecage
Sep 18 09:50:07 <zyga> ;D
Sep 18 09:50:10 <zyga> good name
Sep 18 09:50:25 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, nice machine, it has 0.5GB of memory
Sep 18 09:50:32 <ogra_cmpc> copying that to a partition thats not mounted noexec, running it in a shell will get you a rootshell in the next terminal app you opwn
Sep 18 09:50:35 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, how much did you pay for it?
Sep 18 09:50:45 <ogra_cmpc> nearly 400euro
Sep 18 09:51:39 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, ouch! how long does the battery last?
Sep 18 09:52:19 <ogra_cmpc> 7-8h undr android
Sep 18 09:52:29 <ogra_cmpc> over 100h in standby
Sep 18 09:52:39 <ogra_cmpc> (according to the docs)
Sep 18 09:53:30 <persia> That means ~6 hours under Ubuntu, I'd suggest, based on similar claims from similar hardware I've run Ubuntu on.
Sep 18 09:53:40 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, what SoC does it use?
Sep 18 09:53:43 <persia> 100h is time in sleep, which is nice, but...
Sep 18 09:54:25 <ogra_cmpc> zyga, tegra 250
Sep 18 09:54:33 <ogra_cmpc> dual core a9
Sep 18 09:55:34 <zyga> O_O
Sep 18 09:55:34 <zyga> wow
Sep 18 09:55:38 <zyga> that's a beast
Sep 18 09:55:52 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, but no neon, right?
Sep 18 09:55:58 <ogra_cmpc> sadly less ram than the dev board
Sep 18 09:56:13 <persia> Is it expansible?
Sep 18 09:56:13 <ogra_cmpc> no neon but at least nvidia offers binary #d drivers
Sep 18 09:56:19 <ogra_cmpc> 3D
Sep 18 09:56:24 <ogra_cmpc> no, its a SoC
Sep 18 09:56:37 <ogra_cmpc> probably solderable
Sep 18 09:57:20 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, is ram POP or separate on the board?
Sep 18 09:59:02 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, did you hear about that guy that installed android on the iphone 2G?
Sep 18 09:59:24 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, I have a spare 2G that nobody uses and I though I could try that, and if it works, try to rebuild the stack with linaro toolchain
Sep 18 09:59:50 <zyga> ogra_cmpc, if _that_ would work then we would, kind of, have linaro on the iphone ;-) which is very cool :-)
Sep 18 10:00:21 <persia> Bah.  No keyboard.
Sep 18 10:00:30 <zyga> persia, iphone?
Sep 18 10:00:35 <zyga> persia, yeah but you get serial
Sep 18 10:00:46 <zyga> persia, and running android is probably usable enough
Sep 18 10:00:52 <zyga> persia, for a web tabled of sort
Sep 18 10:01:06 <ogra_cmpc> everzthing on the board is soldered on directly
Sep 18 10:01:10 <ogra_cmpc> includiong the eMMC
Sep 18 10:01:40 <persia> zyga, No little trackball: doesn't that break something?
Sep 18 10:02:10 <zyga> persia, huh? I have no idea what you are talking about
Sep 18 10:02:18 <zyga> persia, are you talking about ac100?
Sep 18 10:04:23 <persia> I thought android UI required a little trackball (having seen lots of touchscreen devices with little trackballs in unusable positions),  That said, I don't actually care much (my interest is only in having consumer HW that runs Ubuntu: especially HW that I can take off my desk.
Sep 18 10:04:43 <zyga> persia, ah
Sep 18 10:04:48 <zyga> persia, no, you don't need that
Sep 18 10:05:02 <zyga> persia, it works quite fine on all samsung phones that don't have that
Sep 18 10:06:15 <persia> Ah, OK.  Wonder why it's stuck in the middle of the device right against the hinge in a bunch of the 4" clamshells at the shops.  Poor Human Interface design, and if it's not required, kinda pointless.
Sep 18 10:07:34 <zyga> persia, probably because it's good for hitting links on websites on crappy first get touchscreens
Sep 18 10:08:52 <persia> zyga, Come and see: it's not usable if you have either large fingers or long fingernails.  After seeing, look at the hands of Japanese consumers ...
Sep 18 10:09:28 <zyga> persia, yeah, I never said it's perfect, but without it the first android devices would likely suck more
Sep 18 10:09:36 <persia> Anyway, not important.  Most of them have only moderate-spec processors, etc.
Sep 18 10:09:39 <zyga> persia, /me wants to go to japan :P
Sep 18 10:10:00 <persia> And now you have an excuse: critical research on human interface design :)
Sep 18 10:11:16 <zyga> persia, next I need a business reason for expenses ;-)
Sep 18 13:15:03 <naveenpenda> hi all i am new in gtk programming..
Sep 18 13:15:21 <naveenpenda> i just started small program for button click
Sep 18 13:15:36 <naveenpenda> how i will know which gtk version is installed in my ubuntu ?
Sep 18 14:46:32 <naveenpenda> is this package can be installed llibgtk2.0-dev and used in any ubuntu-arm? any help is appreciated
Sep 18 21:51:46 <rlameiro> persia: are you there?
Sep 18 22:05:49 <persia> http://git.chris-lamb.co.uk/?p=contentless-ping.git;a=summary
Sep 18 22:16:18 <rlameiro> persia: found issues with jackd /qjackctl on my igepv2
Sep 18 22:17:01 <persia> What issues?  Have you filed the bug?
Sep 18 22:17:32 <rlameiro> not yet
Sep 18 22:18:00 <rlameiro> first of all, pd has some issues with the alsa drivers wit it, so it needs to run over oss backend
Sep 18 22:18:55 <rlameiro> also trying to run qjackctl over ssh with X tunnel i could see that it couldnt lock memory or something, then it crash,
Sep 18 22:19:21 <rlameiro> also it gaves a error saying it doesnt find alsa midi devices
Sep 18 22:19:30 <rlameiro> it shouldnt be a showstopper...
Sep 18 22:20:29 <rlameiro> rebooting now to see if it is the problem
Sep 18 22:21:51 <persia> OK.  Sounds to me like the issue is with alsa, and JACK is just having a hard time because of that.
Sep 18 22:22:20 <persia> My recommendation would be to troubleshoot with aplay and arecord until you have working alsa, and *then* chase pulse.
Sep 18 22:22:52 <rlameiro> persia: it plays with asound
Sep 18 22:23:06 <rlameiro> that was already reported on pd community
Sep 18 22:23:13 <rlameiro> http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdForBeagleboard
Sep 18 22:23:14 <persia> I suspect you can sort this with amixer, and if you file a bug with the exact amixer calls required along with the regular sound information script output, it becomes possible to fix the kernel so that you don't need the amixer calls.
Sep 18 22:23:30 <rlameiro> i have sound, and unmutted the mixers
Sep 18 22:25:17 <persia> But when you use `pd -alsa` you get the horrid sound?
Sep 18 22:26:14 <rlameiro> cracles
Sep 18 22:26:17 <rlameiro> yes
Sep 18 22:27:04 <rlameiro> i dont have a way to know what isnt working on the alsa driver
Sep 18 22:27:12 <persia> Would you file a bug about that with `ubuntu-bug puredata` and include a sound sample generated on your machine?
Sep 18 22:27:21 <rlameiro> i just know that puredata can sync the ADC
Sep 18 22:27:50 <rlameiro> I can try :D
Sep 18 22:28:00 <persia> Because there's either an ALSA bug or some PD bug, and randomly switching to use PD-over-OSS-over-ALSA doesn't even begin to address it, nor does that help for other things affected.
Sep 18 22:28:05 <rlameiro> but i dont know if it is a puredata bug
Sep 18 22:28:09 <rlameiro> i think is alsa
Sep 18 22:28:26 <persia> Let's file it, and the testcase against puredata right now.
Sep 18 22:28:35 <rlameiro> ok
Sep 18 22:29:04 <persia> I think mpoirer was looking at audio issues for the omap kernels (although I'm sure he'd like help), so he might appreciate another testcase.
Sep 18 22:29:27 <persia> That is does work with the OSS backend makes me think it is ALSA, but it's exposed in PD, so it could also be something related to the PD porting.
Sep 18 22:31:53 <rlameiro> well it may be, but pd is a lot more demanding over the audio backends
Sep 18 22:32:09 <rlameiro> it demands accurate thing sync etc
Sep 18 22:32:43 <rlameiro> Im installing midori now to file the bug
Sep 18 22:33:30 <rlameiro> persia: do you know a easy way to record the audio output of a programm over the command line?
Sep 18 22:33:37 <rlameiro> something like piping?
Sep 18 22:34:18 <persia> No, but.
Sep 18 22:34:49 <persia> So, if you have the sort of audio hardware that is on the beagle, you can't: anything that claims to do that will capture the audio *before* it gets processed by the hardware.
Sep 18 22:35:22 <rlameiro> well then i need to make it old school then :D
Sep 18 22:35:36 <rlameiro> pipe it with real copper to my laptop :D
Sep 18 22:35:37 <persia> If you have an audio interface that exposes monitor channels, you can record the monitors to see what was playing, but this means two passes through the drivers, so isn't useful to test the drivers in isolation.
Sep 18 22:35:43 <persia> Yes :)
Sep 18 23:22:52 <rlameiro> persia: lol, now it doesnt even outputs sound...
Sep 18 23:52:30 <rlameiro> persia here it is
Sep 18 23:52:32 <rlameiro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1333955/soundtestarmpd.ogg
Sep 19 00:10:21 <persia> rlameiro, Cool.  Please file a bug and attach it, so that folks who can fix it (not me) can have a look.  Please use ubuntu-bug to file the bug *from the beagleboard* as this will collect more useful information.
Sep 19 00:11:35 <rlameiro> well, i am installing apport right now
Sep 19 00:11:40 <rlameiro> a bunch of libs
Sep 19 00:12:04 <rlameiro> persia: what is the best way to see the cpu frq on the command line?
Sep 19 00:12:15 <rlameiro> cpuinfo only shows MIPS
Sep 19 00:12:27 <rlameiro> *BogoMIPS
Sep 19 00:14:11 <persia> I don't know if that's exposed to userspace except as strings: cpuinfo or dmesg output would be my expectations.
Sep 19 00:14:25 <persia> I could be mistaken though: I don't tend to do lots of low-level stuff.
Sep 19 00:14:54 <persia> Probably better to ask that sort of question generally: other folk might have better answers (and I think most ARM folk are familiar with more low-level bits than I)
Sep 19 00:16:56 <rlameiro> well, i made cat /proc/cpuinfo
Sep 19 00:17:19 <rlameiro> i am not eally sure if my processor is really runnig at 720Mhz
Sep 19 00:56:26 <rlameiro> lp #642465
Sep 19 00:56:27 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 642465 in puredata (Ubuntu) "Puredata outputs Very bad sound when using ALSA backend (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642465
Sep 19 00:56:36 <rlameiro> persia: done, bug posted
Sep 19 00:57:49 <rlameiro> persia: maybe you could triage it to the relevant teams/persons, i dont know who they are, i notified the ubuntuarmel porters team only
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