**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 27 02:59:57 2010 Sep 27 03:11:04 hi Sep 27 03:13:33 ogra, got a minute for a pm ? Sep 27 04:28:22 cooloney: hey, after running 40 hours with only one cpu I'm now running it again without l2 Sep 27 04:28:35 cooloney: 10 hours already, 4 builds, no problem Sep 27 04:28:45 without highmem, with 2 cpus and no l2 Sep 27 04:29:45 im running ubuntu on htc desire, chrooted of course xD Sep 27 05:34:39 rsalveti: without l2, i still met the error Sep 27 06:02:58 good morning.. Sep 27 07:05:50 morning Sep 27 08:31:31 2 Sep 27 08:33:01 3 Sep 27 08:33:38 4 Sep 27 08:35:33 17 Sep 27 08:49:05 my bad Sep 27 08:51:31 cooloney, no, hrw's ... he broke the scheme Sep 27 08:51:37 :) Sep 27 08:53:11 i am wrong..is it Fibonacci?i should be 5 Sep 27 08:53:54 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 ... Sep 27 08:55:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fibonacci_spiral_34.svg Sep 27 08:55:17 reminds me of debian :) Sep 27 09:07:00 apw, yo Sep 27 09:07:15 apw, the omap4 meta package still talks about versatile Sep 27 09:14:48 ogra, so it does, hrm wasn't i fixing omap3 last time? Sep 27 09:14:59 yeah Sep 27 09:15:21 sorry i didnt see it until i fixed the linux-header issues on arm Sep 27 09:38:26 ogra, ok i've committed the fix... will make the next upload Sep 27 09:38:38 awesome, thanks :) Sep 27 11:56:54 morning Sep 27 13:28:02 G'day all Sep 27 13:37:25 morning davidm Sep 27 13:42:28 hi ogra it's finally fall here :-) Sep 27 13:43:13 heh, here its not really geting day Sep 27 13:43:47 its so grey i have to keep the light on all day Sep 27 13:47:42 ogra, bug #605042 is it in a happy place now? Sep 27 13:47:43 Launchpad bug 605042 in eglibc (Debian) (and 10 other projects) "[armel] java fails to start with eglibc-2.12-0ubuntu4 (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605042 Sep 27 13:48:01 Or are we still looking to the kernel team for a fix Sep 27 13:51:23 indeed we do Sep 27 13:51:57 i havent heard from Nafallo yet and even if my panda is there as a temporary buildd, we still need the babbages until we can replace the whole set with 2.1 HW Sep 27 13:52:17 so a fix should be developed in any case Sep 27 13:53:44 (also for lucid users, not only for us) Sep 27 13:59:04 lool: ogra: hi! i see that systemtap has been upgraded. thx. one question: it looks like I was made the uploader. is that expected? Sep 27 13:59:22 ndec, you filed the bug :) Sep 27 13:59:28 so yes, that normal Sep 27 13:59:48 ogra: sure. but I did not upload the package... still some launchpad magic that I don't get ;-) Sep 27 14:00:12 you requested the upload :) Sep 27 14:00:16 ogra: it looks like as if I did the changelog for the package. Sep 27 14:00:44 thats right :) Sep 27 14:02:41 ndec: it's only from the launchpad perspective that you're seen as the uploader Sep 27 14:03:10 ndec: Basically, it recognizes that you prepared the source changes by building, and testing the new source and verifying it works Sep 27 14:03:45 lool: this is right, if I apt-get source, then my name does not show up... Sep 27 14:04:00 ndec: Which is normal, since the source was not modified from Debian Sep 27 14:04:14 ndec: but the "change" of uploading this source to Ubuntu is your doing Sep 27 14:04:30 So you showed up on maverick-changes@l.u.c Sep 27 14:06:01 ndec: do you mind if I ask you for some guidance on a kernel bug? Sep 27 14:06:10 LP #636522 specifically Sep 27 14:06:27 Hmm bug bot seems dead Sep 27 14:06:55 Launchpad bug 636522 in linux-linaro "arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3evm.c:684: undefined reference to `usb_nop_xceiv_register' (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636522 Sep 27 14:07:08 ah thanks ubot2 Sep 27 14:08:45 lool: you are trying to enable OMAP4 and OMAP3, right? Sep 27 14:09:05 ndec: Eventually, yes Sep 27 14:09:20 ndec: I don't think that's needed to trigger the FTBFS in this bug, but I'd like to solve it in a multi-OMAP friendly way Sep 27 14:09:43 (I realize the musb driver needs updating for OMAP4 in linux/linux-omap though) Sep 27 14:09:52 lool: yes, this is correct. Sep 27 14:13:42 ndec: This seems a bit similar to the syslink approach: it's always loaded on OMAP4, and never loaded on OMAP3, and can either be a module or builtin; I'm just not sure how to chain module initialization properly here though; I also find it fragile to have these deps on xceiv for certain boards in the musb kconfig, and I suspect we could get rid of them Sep 27 14:14:50 lool: i don't know enough about this to help you quickly. Sep 27 14:19:34 ndec: I don't think this is any urgent really; I'm using this to learn my way around this stuff a bit better; if you think someone is interested in helping on the topic, that would be awesome, I suspect most people will simply make sure they dont build xceiv as a module and move on to other bugs ;-) Sep 27 14:43:49 hey guys Sep 27 14:46:19 any1 here interested in helping me try ubuntu on n900 Sep 27 14:55:01 am I just odd if I don't see /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d in sysv-rc on arm in lucid? Sep 27 14:55:49 the hell; it sh... Sep 27 14:56:02 * cwillu_at_work grumbles at his rootstock Sep 27 14:58:55 GrueMaster: remeber my problem with the edirol? Sep 27 14:59:15 Vaguely. Sep 27 14:59:28 well, turns out it doesnt work on my laptop either Sep 27 14:59:45 it seems there is a lot of changes on the maverick kernel Sep 27 14:59:46 Ah, your usb sound card. Interesting. Sep 27 14:59:54 crimsum told me that Sep 27 15:00:54 problems is that i cant track down where is the problem Sep 27 15:00:59 rlameiro: hey, saw that your usb issue is still not fixed :-( Sep 27 15:01:00 the board is detected Sep 27 15:01:06 it just doesnt play Sep 27 15:01:17 rlameiro: and probably you'll also face the issue with the stock kernel Sep 27 15:01:32 Very interesting. I found an old USB sound box that provides RCA/SPDIF IN/Out. It works fined. Sep 27 15:01:37 well, i will need to leave something always on :D Sep 27 15:01:43 Forgot I had it. Sep 27 15:01:55 * rsalveti out for lunch, brb Sep 27 15:02:05 GrueMaster: yes, its possible, there is a lot of quirks on the usb sound drivers Sep 27 15:02:23 and the architechture of the source code changed a lot the last kernel releases Sep 27 15:02:39 so, i think, it is maybe a specific issue Sep 27 15:04:19 jo-erlend_igep: are you there? jo-erlend Sep 27 15:09:19 so any help here on how i could get ubuntu running on an n900 Sep 27 15:09:21 ? Sep 27 15:10:57 there was a project by someone to get 9.10 working on n900 Sep 27 15:18:15 seif_: kubuntu mobile run s on an n900 Sep 27 15:18:37 ian_brasil, link? Sep 27 15:19:21 seif_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/releases/ Sep 27 15:19:40 seif_: it is a work in progress though Sep 27 15:19:56 ian_brasil, so what do i do Sep 27 15:19:59 i just copy paste it? Sep 27 15:20:59 seif_: huh? Sep 27 15:21:52 how do i install it Sep 27 15:24:45 seif_: right ..so we need to write some docs about how to install Sep 27 15:25:50 ian_brasil, maybe if u guide mwe through i can take notes and write them down Sep 27 15:26:51 seif_: can you join #kubuntu-mobile Sep 27 15:26:54 ? Sep 27 15:28:31 seif_: shortest guide: grab image, unpack, give n900 proper kernel + args and boot Sep 27 15:28:44 ok got it Sep 27 15:28:54 shit my memory card is 1.86 GB Sep 27 15:29:05 the image when unpacked is 2GB Sep 27 15:29:56 hrw, is it notmal for it to be 2 GB Sep 27 15:29:57 ??? Sep 27 15:30:02 it should be even bigger, we dont support images on less than 4G cards Sep 27 15:30:17 it gets automatically grown on first boot Sep 27 15:30:28 seif_: I do not comment on this Sep 27 15:30:37 oh wow Sep 27 15:31:01 ok gonna grab me a 4 GB card Sep 27 15:31:17 what you see if you *woul* unpack it (which you shouldnt) is the filled up space ... Sep 27 15:31:27 free space only exists after it got grown Sep 27 15:32:44 it also will need the initrd thats in the image, if you cant boot with the existing kernel and initrd i'd recommend rootstock instead Sep 27 15:33:11 ok that was just chinese right there :) Sep 27 15:33:26 (these images get only tested on beagleboards, every other subarch of omap3 is a matter of luck) Sep 27 15:36:18 seif_: you need a kernel from maemo Sep 27 15:36:31 ian_brasil, then the image wont work for him Sep 27 15:37:14 ian_brasil: 2.6.35-meego is too good? Sep 27 15:38:05 ogra, if i have a kernal from meego would it work Sep 27 15:38:06 ? Sep 27 15:38:13 no Sep 27 15:38:29 ogra: no..you need to extract the image to the mmc card and use the kernel fro maemo Sep 27 15:38:32 so there is no way to test it on the n900 Sep 27 15:39:03 as well as the dsme package from maemo Sep 27 15:39:09 ian_brasil, the initrd contains essential bits without them the image will not work Sep 27 15:39:29 he should use rootstock if he cant use the image kernel Sep 27 15:39:52 ok what is rootstock Sep 27 15:40:24 but the meamo kernel does not have an initrd Sep 27 15:40:37 s/meamo/maemo Sep 27 15:44:45 seif_, see the channel topic ... how to build a rootfs from scratch Sep 27 15:45:07 ian_brasil, worse ... it doesnt have *our* initrd from the image Sep 27 15:59:51 ian_brasil: maemo kernel supports initrd Sep 27 15:59:59 * hrw -> out Sep 27 16:13:33 Grrr. Omap images are bad today. Sep 27 16:13:42 No filesystem. Sep 27 16:13:48 ogra: ^^^ Sep 27 16:14:15 GrueMaster, already fixed Sep 27 16:14:37 omap4 is fine though Sep 27 16:15:02 Yes. I see omap4 is ok. respin on omap or wait till tomorrow? Sep 27 16:17:37 Who is our dove kernel guy? Bug 634161 is still not fixed. 3 weeks to turn of parport_pc. Sep 27 16:17:38 Launchpad bug 634161 in linux-mvl-dove (Ubuntu) "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 0ce003be - parport_pc driver load issue (affects: 1) (heat: 192)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634161 Sep 27 16:17:45 wait til tomorrow Sep 27 16:17:49 ok Sep 27 16:18:07 well, i could fire up a respin as well Sep 27 16:18:09 one sec Sep 27 16:18:49 running Sep 27 16:19:29 I'll keep 1 groggy eye open for it. Sep 27 16:19:36 yeah, no hurry Sep 27 16:19:54 the switch to linaro uboot didnt relly work ... Sep 27 16:20:02 so test if they still boot Sep 27 16:20:13 they are now switched for sure :) Sep 27 16:21:48 Ok Sep 27 18:23:38 ogra_cmpc: please go join #ubuntu-installer :-) Sep 27 18:30:15 ogra_cmpc: omap failed to build. Image builder crashed? Sep 27 18:30:26 GrueMaster, nope Sep 27 18:30:32 race, there is a log Sep 27 18:31:02 python-virtkey seems ot have failed to install Sep 27 18:54:51 Doh. Sep 27 19:16:00 wohoo Sep 27 19:25:04 ??? Sep 27 19:25:16 I take it you got Ubuntu on your AC100? Sep 27 19:25:36 GrueMaster, well, kind of Sep 27 19:25:51 ubuntu chroot from USB stick with the android kernel Sep 27 19:25:57 but it works Sep 27 19:26:03 and is really snappy Sep 27 19:26:18 sadly android blocks all network access as user :( Sep 27 19:26:29 Now to get our kernel working and get a preinstall image done. Sep 27 19:26:56 * ogra_ac wont go *that* far :) Sep 27 19:27:05 Pfft. Sep 27 19:27:20 a real linux kernel would rock though Sep 27 19:27:37 2.6.29 android isnt really suitable Sep 27 19:28:14 and using ubuntu in a proper way would rock even more (no upstart means you have to fire up everything by hand) Sep 27 19:28:53 and booting without having to use a second laptop would also be helpful :) Sep 27 19:31:32 ogra_ac: nice Sep 27 19:32:22 ojn, well ... hackish but works :) Sep 27 19:32:42 ogra_ac: yeah. It's the easy part. :) Sep 27 19:33:22 * ogra_ac wants kernel source Sep 27 19:33:38 ogra_ac: for the android tree or for a mainline-ish kernel? Sep 27 19:34:02 a linux kernel :) Sep 27 19:34:16 ogra_ac: I bet you DON'T want to see the sources for the kernel running on that system right now. The ones coming out of nvidia are _nasty_. The rewrite by the android guys is much better. Sep 27 19:34:37 well, i'd even take an nvidia tree if it would boot Sep 27 19:34:38 ogra_ac: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/tegra.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/linux-tegra-2.6.35 Sep 27 19:34:44 doesnt work Sep 27 19:34:51 * ogra_ac tried that one today Sep 27 19:34:52 What's the firmware on there again? fastboot? Sep 27 19:34:59 there are toshiba patches Sep 27 19:35:11 i cant get the lcd to work for example Sep 27 19:35:11 of course. :) Are they still using 3333 for machine id as well? Sep 27 19:35:14 nor HDMI Sep 27 19:35:28 which is a blind flight without any console Sep 27 19:35:36 Yeah, no serial makes it no fun Sep 27 19:35:50 What kind of panel does it have? similar to what harmony uses? (1024x600)? Sep 27 19:35:51 right Sep 27 19:36:06 1024x600 but some special thing i guess Sep 27 19:36:16 i tried the different harmony options Sep 27 19:36:30 nothing boots :( Sep 27 19:37:14 I don't think they do any harmony panel setup in the linux-tegra tree at the moment. I've checked in local setup in our tree but I haven't ported it over and submitted it for theirs yet. So you might be better off trying ours and enabling FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE: Sep 27 19:37:16 http://git.chromium.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kernel-next.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/chromeos-2.6.35 Sep 27 19:37:26 You'll have to add the 3333 machine id and alias it to harmony Sep 27 19:37:38 of course, chances are they moved around the backlight GPIOs Sep 27 19:38:07 are you working with one of the toshiba devices ? Sep 27 19:38:07 well, backlight, lvds_enable, lcd power, etc, etc. there's 5 or 6 gpios that all have to be set. :( Sep 27 19:38:12 ogra_ac: no Sep 27 19:38:15 or just the devboard Sep 27 19:38:31 I have harmony and a board called seaboard here Sep 27 19:38:45 getting the kbd to work was a challenge :) Sep 27 19:39:06 needs a special ioctl sent to some special device Sep 27 19:39:10 huh Sep 27 19:39:51 If the day had another 6 or 7 hours I'd be happy to tinker with it, but right now there's no spare cycles in my life for it (the 6 or 7 hours would be needed because there are already 5-6 hours claimed by other things :-) Sep 27 19:40:35 well, i would think chromium woud be a good candidate OS for it Sep 27 19:41:14 (i prefer ubuntu indeed, but thats because i use it everywhere else, android really is unusable on it) Sep 27 19:41:17 chromium os? Yeah, maybe. 512MB isn't much fun these days, unfortunately. Sep 27 19:41:38 sufficient for ubuntu-netbook apparently Sep 27 19:41:46 even when run in a chroot :) Sep 27 19:42:10 ojn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/501682/ btw Sep 27 19:42:11 Sure, you can bring it up, but open up 15 browser tabs? Sep 27 19:42:20 let me try Sep 27 19:42:38 ogra_ac: ok a design with custom EC. sucks. Sep 27 19:43:00 ogra_ac: a couple of gmail logins, facebook, youtube, nytimes.com, etc. It'll start to use up available memory pretty quickly Sep 27 19:43:26 sure Sep 27 19:44:15 5 browser tabs and the whole netbook UI seem to eat 180M according to htop Sep 27 19:46:22 hmm, but firefox lost its snappieness Sep 27 19:46:57 though given its all fbdev its still impressing Sep 27 19:47:00 Didn't that happen years ago? :) Sep 27 20:21:11 ogra_ac: hey you around? Sep 27 20:21:27 prpplague, sure Sep 27 20:21:58 ogra_ac: hey question, i need to force xorg to run at a specific bpp, what's the easiest way to do that? Sep 27 20:22:07 phew Sep 27 20:22:31 i'm not up to date on that, with the old gdm you could set it in the config file Sep 27 20:22:49 beyond gdm, i think there is an option Sep 27 20:22:50 oh and what is the default console user name and password for the ubuntu builds? Sep 27 20:23:03 there is none Sep 27 20:23:29 hmm Sep 27 20:23:30 it runs oem-config to configure the system and create the user Sep 27 20:23:35 ahh Sep 27 20:23:44 its all automatic Sep 27 20:23:55 prpplague: probably you need to create a x11 config file and set the bpp there by hand Sep 27 20:23:55 :) Sep 27 20:24:02 as currently x11 tries to be smart Sep 27 20:24:11 and select the "best" option for you Sep 27 20:24:21 rsalveti: yea, looks like that is what is happening Sep 27 20:24:39 rsalveti: the "container" is 32bit wide, but its actually just 24bpp Sep 27 20:24:47 rsalveti: ubuntu seems to be trying to do 32bit Sep 27 20:24:56 /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is the new place for that i think Sep 27 20:25:14 prpplague: w/ xf86-video-fbdev, by default it just uses the default from omapfb Sep 27 20:25:40 robclark: yea, omapfb is reporting 32bpp Sep 27 20:25:43 if you also have xf86-video-v4l2 installed, then it will change to ARGB for alpha blending with video overlay Sep 27 20:25:54 it'll just get the info from the fb and try to use it Sep 27 20:26:04 omapfb reports 32bpp, but r/g/b=8 and a=0 Sep 27 20:26:04 thogh /etc/X11/xorg.conf should still be supported Sep 27 20:26:05 robclark: maybe you need to come by my cube and have a quick look Sep 27 20:26:17 prpplague: ok.. give me a few Sep 27 20:36:15 * prpplague what the heck they did for username/password on this build Sep 27 20:36:41 prpplague, the internal build ? Sep 27 20:37:24 i think thats ubuntu/ubuntu (just guessing though, but there was an indian colleague whom i helped debugging where that worked) Sep 27 20:38:44 neither worked Sep 27 20:39:39 well, rip out the SD and look at /ect/passwd then :) Sep 27 20:39:58 from your netbook Sep 27 20:41:50 ogra_ac: yea gonna have to do that Sep 27 20:42:26 ogra_ac, need 2 seconds of your time for a pm :) Sep 27 20:42:33 devilhorns, shoot Sep 27 21:02:35 rsalveti: don't support you can give me an example xorg.conf file Sep 27 21:06:30 sure, let me check the fbdev options Sep 27 21:08:07 i think it doesnt accept depth options Sep 27 21:08:40 xorg has a -depth option though Sep 27 21:09:47 prpplague: http://paste.ubuntu.com/501771/ Sep 27 21:09:51 maybe something like this Sep 27 21:10:12 ogra_ac: yup, -depth and DefaultDepth should work Sep 27 21:10:58 probably worth a try Sep 27 21:11:00 there's also DefaultFbBpp if just DefaultDepth doesn't work Sep 27 21:12:37 fbdev just has the fb device to use, shadowfb support and rotate Sep 27 21:13:44 prpplague: man xorg.conf should give you all the options Sep 27 21:13:51 quite good man page, wasn't expecting :-) Sep 27 21:16:11 * prpplague has trouble with userspace stuff Sep 27 21:16:26 heh Sep 27 21:16:34 rsalveti: so put that into /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? Sep 27 21:16:43 yes Sep 27 21:16:49 use the paste from above Sep 27 21:16:57 yup, should work Sep 27 21:17:26 prpplague: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you if it worked or not Sep 27 21:19:26 hmm Sep 27 21:19:34 didn't start x Sep 27 21:19:45 check the log Sep 27 21:22:25 * prpplague screams Sep 27 21:22:36 this ubuntu build is killing me Sep 27 21:22:40 whats the error ? Sep 27 21:22:48 i can't get user account working Sep 27 21:40:09 ogra_ac: ok user accounts fixed, whats the easiest way to start up in text only mode? Sep 27 21:40:23 prpplague: add "text" to bootargs Sep 27 21:40:35 add text as option to the kernel cmdline Sep 27 21:40:41 ahh Sep 27 21:41:12 evening ogra, rsalveti, persia et al Sep 27 21:41:14 ogra: you here? Sep 27 21:41:26 jo-erlend: evening Sep 27 21:41:27 rlameiro: hey Sep 27 21:41:34 are you still with video problems? Sep 27 21:42:08 ndec, indeed i am Sep 27 21:42:17 ogra: hey... quite late ;-) Sep 27 21:42:41 ogra: as you know in our PPA we will have gst packages that are based on the ones in main/universe Sep 27 21:42:59 right Sep 27 21:43:19 ogra: the UNE comes with gst core and plugins base, and I need to make sure that when installing omap4-extra they and upgraded or downgraded to match what is in the ppa. Sep 27 21:43:43 ogra: is that going to work for both upgrade (if my version is more recent) or downgrade too? Sep 27 21:44:08 downgrade most likely wont Sep 27 21:44:11 ogra: if i hard code the version in the depends of omap4-extras, will it force the upgrade or downgrade? Sep 27 21:45:02 why didnt you pick a higher version as we discussed before ? Sep 27 21:45:32 GrueMaster: do I need a shell script (like panda's) to get sound going on beagle ? Sep 27 21:45:52 well, right now I am using the same version as the one in ubuntu, and I add +tixx at the end. Sep 27 21:45:54 mpoirier, on C4 it should just work Sep 27 21:46:03 XM has issues i heard Sep 27 21:46:16 funny... you heard ;-) Sep 27 21:46:17 ndec, right, that should be fine Sep 27 21:46:20 Maybe. I just unmute a couple of switches and increase the volume. Sep 27 21:46:25 ndec, haha Sep 27 21:46:33 ogra: what should be fine? Sep 27 21:46:59 to add +tixx at the end Sep 27 21:47:00 brb Sep 27 21:47:27 but then if there is an update in main/updates then I will no longer be more recent... Sep 27 21:47:42 should i use 99.0.10-2ubuntu3+tixx instead? Sep 27 21:48:01 right, you need to update along with that Sep 27 21:48:13 Sorry, phone call. Sep 27 21:48:18 GrueMaster: therefore the setting don't work right off the bat - correct ? Sep 27 21:49:09 Yes. I'm trying to remember the mixer controls (don't have a current image running). I thought I had it documented in the bug report. Sep 27 21:49:55 GrueMaster: the bug report, is it the same as omap4 or a different one ? Sep 27 21:50:02 ogra: so if omap4-extras depends on libgst, and libgst is already installed, as it is with UNE. will it upgrade it from PPA if PPA version is higher? my feeling is that since libgst is already installed it won't be upgraded, unless if I force the version in omap4-extras. Sep 27 21:50:06 Looking, one sec. Sep 27 21:50:38 ndec, you should use >= for that Sep 27 21:53:01 mpoirier: I will need to drop work on dove for a bit to redocument what needs to happen on omap. Will get back to you in ~10 minutes. Sep 27 21:53:16 gst-blergh (>= 99.0.10-2ubuntu3+tixx) Sep 27 21:53:20 GrueMaster: hold on friend. Sep 27 21:53:48 All I need you to confirm is that default sound settings don't work - that is all. Sep 27 21:53:59 robclark: ok i confirmed that the omapfb is setting it to 32bpp Sep 27 21:54:58 prpplague: but x11 is still seeing 16? Sep 27 21:55:00 Yes. They don't. But all that needs to happen is a couple of lines need to be unmuted and a couple of volume controls need to be adjusted. I just can't remember off hand what they are. Sep 27 21:55:16 robclark: yea Sep 27 21:55:35 robclark: and i can't seem to figure out where to place that xorg.conf Sep 27 21:55:58 prpplague: xorg.conf should be in /etc/X11 Sep 27 21:56:09 GrueMaster: it simply highlights that beagle could also use a .conf file under /usr/share/alsa/cards/, like we intend to do for panda. Sep 27 21:56:15 GrueMaster: thats what i thought, but when i place one there x never starts Sep 27 21:56:41 GrueMaster: fwiw, I think prpplague has a lucid filesystem.. so xorg.conf.d in /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d Sep 27 21:56:48 prpplague, whats the error ? Sep 27 21:57:05 robclark, /etc/X11 still works Sep 27 21:57:13 ahh.. ok Sep 27 21:57:20 xorg merges Sep 27 21:57:23 paste us the log, maybe we can check what's wrong with it Sep 27 21:57:27 right Sep 27 21:58:22 mpoirier: I am not sure an alsa.conf file is what is needed. More like an asound.state. Sep 27 21:59:40 Might work though. I never delved into the alsa.conf stuff, as I was told a long time ago that it was going to disappear. Sep 27 21:59:54 GrueMaster: whatever, I'm just trying to unify the way we setup sound on our platform. Sep 27 22:00:32 * prpplague grumbles Sep 27 22:00:36 and asound.state is created on shutdown Sep 27 22:00:38 looks like my rootfs is corrupted Sep 27 22:02:14 GrueMaster: I don't know how tightly alsa.conf and /usr/share/alsa/cards are related. Sep 27 22:02:51 GrueMaster: on the other hand I know we'll solve our panda problem with a file under /usr/share/alsa/cards Sep 27 22:03:23 I also know that both beagle, beagle XM and gumstix all report the same information under /proc/alsa/cards, Sep 27 22:03:26 It is the format used by /usr/share/alsa/cards/*.conf Sep 27 22:04:33 The actual alsa.conf file also loads the correct /usr/share/alsa/cards/*.conf if it exsists. Sep 27 22:04:34 GrueMaster: I also know that if we want sound going (without alteration) on our cards, we will need to make differentiation to the information rendered by /proc/alsa/cards. Sep 27 22:04:50 GrueMaster: and carve out a .conf file for all our cards. Sep 27 22:05:43 mpoirier, that will be tricky for Xm vs C4 Sep 27 22:05:44 Just remember that next cycle we will need to revisit this as alsa is shifting towards UCM. Sep 27 22:05:54 ogra_cmpc: They are the same. Sep 27 22:06:00 there is no easy way to distinguish between them from userspace Sep 27 22:06:03 I have confirmed it. Sep 27 22:06:17 sound wise ? Sep 27 22:06:21 ogra_ac: I know. Sep 27 22:06:45 Yes. They expose the exact same controls, and they require the exact same changes to make sound work. Sep 27 22:06:55 ah, great Sep 27 22:07:03 i thought there was a differende Sep 27 22:07:09 *difference Sep 27 22:07:10 ogra_ac: GrueMaster: we are lucky. Sep 27 22:07:16 yeah Sep 27 22:07:21 thanks to TI :) Sep 27 22:07:40 ogra_ac: we have to look at alsa UCM seriously. Sep 27 22:07:44 * ogra_ac wishes this ac100 would have an OMAP4 Sep 27 22:08:14 ogra_ac: I just had a *very* fruitfull chat with "broonie" on alsa-soc. Sep 27 22:08:42 ogra_ac: just waits for a panda-based netbook :-) Sep 27 22:09:33 ogra_ac: simply put, implementors of the soc sound purposely pushed out any board specific config to user space. Sep 27 22:09:45 Could be worse. Marvell has changed codecs on their dove boards. The A0 doesn't even appear to have the HP jack wired. Sep 27 22:10:03 Unless it uses a GPIO to enable. Sep 27 22:10:11 ogra_ac: therefore we can't push config for cards to the kernel. Sep 27 22:10:33 ogra_ac: implementing something, even if it is well done, would not get accepted upstream. Sep 27 22:10:53 mpoirier: Well, we can for Maverick. UCM isn't available yet, but will be in Natty. Sep 27 22:11:19 GrueMaster: I know, which is why we may have to live with what we currently have. Sep 27 22:11:41 a.k.a a .conf file under /usr/share/alsa/cards/ Sep 27 22:12:07 grmpf Sep 27 22:24:47 GrueMaster: what is the difference between "linux-meta-ti-omap4" and "linux-ti-omap4" ? Sep 27 22:25:09 mpoirier, heh, you should know as a kernel guy :) Sep 27 22:25:14 one is a metapackage Sep 27 22:25:17 The name? Ask a kernel guy, I just test things. :P Sep 27 22:25:20 the other the actual kernel Sep 27 22:25:38 the meta install the latest available kernel Sep 27 22:25:45 its only a selector Sep 27 22:25:48 the metapackage depends on the right abi Sep 27 22:26:08 so you can do updates of the actual kernel without bumping the abi all the time Sep 27 22:27:10 GrueMaster: bug 644714, why "meta" ? Sep 27 22:27:12 Launchpad bug 644714 in linux-meta-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Screen corruption waking from screen blank if no monitor present (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644714 Sep 27 22:27:26 ogra_ac: I've got a casper patch cooked off, will poke you tomorrow to sponsor Sep 27 22:28:19 Well, as the title implied, I had screen corruption going on, so I was flying blind. Change the package in the bug (or I can). Sep 27 22:28:22 NCommander, send me a mail so i can get to it forst thing in the morning, not sure when the RC freeze kicks in Sep 27 22:30:38 How do you even suspend the OMAP? Last time I tried it with omap3, it didn't work well. Sep 27 22:30:44 Or at least, had no way to wake it reliably. Sep 27 22:31:09 mpoirier: Also, in answer to your question on the bug report, apport picked that package over linux-ti-omap4. Sep 27 22:31:28 GrueMaster: thanks. Sep 27 22:31:30 But I have now updated it. jfo will probably slap me for it. Sep 27 22:32:01 and he's taller than you ! Sep 27 22:33:35 Yea, but I'm fatter. Sep 27 22:34:03 Probably shouldn't have said that out loud. Sep 27 22:35:00 Howdy Y'all, I am looking for a cheap, hackable, small (4-7 inch) ARM machine to run Ubuntu, with a host USB port. The best I have found is a SmartQ v3 (http://j.mp/9t0tYk). Anyone know of anything better? Sep 27 22:35:37 Beagle/BeagleXM? Sep 27 22:35:41 rsalveti: ogra_ac: did you receive a patch from either berco or Igr concerning bug 637947 ? Sep 27 22:35:43 Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637947 Sep 27 22:36:01 Oh sorry, also it needs to be battery powered. Sep 27 22:36:50 mpoirier: not directly, just the patches that are attached already Sep 27 22:37:43 gourneau: http://www.alfonsomartone.itb.it/qcblft.html Sep 27 22:39:33 http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BJC/BeagleJuice Sep 27 22:39:47 http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-ULT/Ultimate+Beagle+Gadget+Pack Sep 27 22:40:39 Lots of ideas. The base system is hella-cheap and low power. Sep 27 22:44:17 Thanks for those links, the tablet pack looks very close to what I want. Sep 27 23:05:25 rsalveti: I was trying to follow the advice that someon gave in the bug about usb, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds Sep 27 23:05:43 here they say its only i386 and AMD64 Sep 27 23:06:52 jo-erlend: are you there? Sep 27 23:10:13 ndec, ogra: If a special version of gstreamer is required, in a version-independent way, give it a slightly different name, with Conflicts/Replaces/Provides. This will break external versioned dependencies, but will ensure the requested version is always installed. Sep 27 23:11:08 hmm Sep 27 23:22:03 rlameiro: I'd say this bug is probably not fixed upstream Sep 27 23:22:17 currently the best supported kernel for igepv2 is the stock one Sep 28 00:23:49 GrueMaster: do we have bug numbers for the missing ubiquity icon and oem-config? Sep 28 00:23:54 (on dove?) Sep 28 00:23:59 * NCommander has a mostly viable patch ready to roll Sep 28 00:43:26 Ok, found it. Bug 643791. Sep 28 00:43:27 Launchpad bug 643791 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installation icon missing from Dove live image. (affects: 1) (heat: 531)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643791 Sep 28 00:43:34 Google is my hero. Sep 28 01:50:50 Ultimate beagle gadget pack.... great, now how do you use the LCD? Last time I'd heard, there wasn't generic kernel support for it. Sep 28 01:53:12 And there's also no generic battery support. Sep 28 01:54:56 Is there non-generic support? What needs to be generalised? Sep 28 01:55:52 Beats me -- I don't have a battery to try. A friend of mine tried to get an LCD working, and it was non-trivial -- required modifying kernel source files. Sep 28 01:56:55 That's relatively easy then, as it only needs be done once. Sep 28 01:58:44 And the beaglejuice thing doesn't seem to provide any way of monitoring (such as I2C or SPI). Sep 28 02:01:06 No monitoring is a bit more annoying. Sep 28 02:03:11 And the modifications to kernel would be different for each LCD. Some have different timings. Sep 28 02:03:23 For example, 480x272 wasn't doable with stock mode db. Sep 28 02:11:46 I'm not fussed about needing to add to the stock mode db. Breaking everything else would be bad, but that just means we have a target for generalisation. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 02:59:57 2010