**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 08 02:59:57 2010
Oct 08 07:57:18 <hrw> nirnung
Oct 08 08:09:16 <lag> nirnung hrw
Oct 08 08:53:37 <berco> I heard there's a magic launchpad ppa where I can find debug versions of packages... where is that? Looking for libasound2-dbg package
Oct 08 08:55:35 <persia> It's not a ppa.
Oct 08 08:55:45 * persia verifies that armel ddebs are present
Oct 08 08:56:33 <persia> Yeo.  Just add "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/" to your sources.list
Oct 08 08:57:00 <persia> After that, `apt-get install libasound2-dbgsym` ought work.
Oct 08 08:57:09 <berco> persia: thanks, I'm going to try that, sounds good
Oct 08 08:57:50 <persia> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/a/alsa-lib/libasound2-dbgsym_1.0.23-1ubuntu2_armel.ddeb is the file you want, if you want it for some other reason
Oct 08 08:58:48 <hrw> persia: how libasound2-dbgsym differ from libasound2-dbg?
Oct 08 08:59:52 <persia> hrw, It's a matter of packaging.
Oct 08 08:59:57 <hrw> ok
Oct 08 09:00:16 <persia> If pkg-create-dbgsyms is installed on the buildd, when dh_strip runs, it creates the -dbgsym ddeb automatically.
Oct 08 09:00:40 <persia> If the packager chooses to override dh_strip to create a -dbg package, it doesn't do this, and the -dbg packages sits in the normal archives.
Oct 08 09:01:01 <persia> Personally, I prefer that folks do not create -dbg packages, as it clutters mirrors for a rare use case.
Oct 08 09:01:41 <persia> Mind you, I felt the other way before pkg-create-dbgsym existed, and I'm still undecided which is the best approach in Debian, but for Ubuntu, not creating it is cleaner.
Oct 08 09:02:43 <berco> persia: thanks a lot for the detailed explanation :)
Oct 08 09:04:04 <persia> berco, No problem.  I'm always happy to answer questions in arbitrary detail where I know the answer.
Oct 08 09:05:01 <hrw> persia: thx
Oct 08 09:12:13 <cwillu> has rcn been seen lately?
Oct 08 09:13:45 <hrw> ~seen marcos
Oct 08 09:15:19 <cwillu> hrw, is there an implication I'm to infer from that? :)
Oct 08 09:16:16 * cwillu checks his log
Oct 08 09:16:25 <cwillu> wow, I've managed to miss him... every day for the last 2 weeks
Oct 08 09:17:16 <hrw> cwillu: no, I just have a question to markos
Oct 08 09:17:20 <cwillu> okay
Oct 08 09:25:43 <hrw> davidm: hi
Oct 08 09:30:13 <davidm> Hello
Oct 08 09:32:56 <hrw> davidm: you are at London now?
Oct 08 09:33:50 <jo-erlend> does anyone know the power consumption of OMAP4 compared with OMAP3?
Oct 08 09:35:22 <cwillu_at_work> jo-erlend, might have more luck in #beagle, I know there's some ti guys that hang around there (not sure if they're here too)
Oct 08 09:36:23 <davidm> hrw, Yes I'm in London now
Oct 08 09:36:34 <hrw> jo-erlend: #beagle and #pandaboard in ~6h from now - ask TI people
Oct 08 09:37:19 <hrw> jo-erlend: timezone differences kill
Oct 08 09:37:41 * hrw bootstraps armelhf toolchain
Oct 08 09:38:23 <jo-erlend> thanks for the advise. On the release party for Maverick in Oslo, we'll focus on Green IT, and in that context I'll present the igepv2. Thought it'd be nice to talk a little about the future as well.
Oct 08 09:39:24 <hrw> jo-erlend: pandaboard for sure is nicer desktop replacement then igep. and both should take <20W fully equipped
Oct 08 09:39:40 <amitk> jo-erlend: power work is still WIP for OMAP4 and I don't think any public numbers are shared with comparisons between omap 3 & 4
Oct 08 09:40:08 <hrw> where fully equipped for me means: board, keyboard, mouse, some networking (ethernet/wifi), some storage
Oct 08 13:47:25 <rsalveti> mopdenacker: nice, good to know if also worked fine for you :-)
Oct 08 13:47:46 <rsalveti> ndec: mopdenacker: are we going to have the usual call?
Oct 08 13:48:18 <mopdenacker> hi rsalveti ! No, I believe that the call is cancelled this week...
Oct 08 13:48:26 <ndec> rsalveti: no. i tried to cancel the meeting... but I think something got messed up with TI exchange server ;-) did you receive the cancellation?
Oct 08 13:48:44 <rsalveti> ndec: not yet, but my network here sucks
Oct 08 13:49:07 <rsalveti> cool, just to know :-)
Oct 08 13:49:11 <ndec> rsalveti: ok... so please pass the message around in case some did not get it
Oct 08 13:49:22 <rsalveti> ndec: sure, thanks
Oct 08 13:50:06 <ndec> rsalveti: ogra: the customization of pre installation worked like a charm! even with kernel upgrade. so we have pre installed image with all TI packages! and wifi work right after install
Oct 08 13:50:28 <rsalveti> ndec: awesome :-)
Oct 08 13:52:54 <mopdenacker> That's very cool. Now we know how to do all this with other boards (in private projects, don't worry, there are no new OMAP4 boards to support) ;-)
Oct 08 13:54:13 <ogra_ac> ndec, wohoo !!!
Oct 08 13:55:01 <ndec> ogra: next step is flash the .img in eMMC and boot without SD card ;-0
Oct 08 13:55:14 <ogra_ac> thats for natty though :)
Oct 08 13:55:21 <ogra_ac> but we'll solve it
Oct 08 13:55:45 <ndec> well.. we have to do it for maverick... all our releases need to work from emmc
Oct 08 13:56:05 <ndec> so we will do something short term, until a better solution is there.
Oct 08 13:57:56 <ogra_ac> ndec, well, create a little script that tars up the rootfs while running from it (make sure to exclude all tmpfs mounts), fire up a partitioning tool, partition, untar ...
Oct 08 13:59:21 <rsalveti> yeah, same thing if you want to use with external usb
Oct 08 13:59:54 <ndec> ogra_ac: we could do this in initrd at first boot before resizing, right?
Oct 08 14:00:13 <ogra_ac> ndec, hmm, that would work but would be slow
Oct 08 14:00:20 <ndec> then we would resize the emmc or any other external drive, and continue installation
Oct 08 14:00:28 <ogra_ac> yep
Oct 08 14:00:35 <ogra_ac> will require some hacks to jasper
Oct 08 14:00:40 <ndec> why would that be slower than what you proposed?
Oct 08 14:01:25 <ndec> you could have an extra param in boot.scr such as relocateroot=/dev/xxx
Oct 08 14:02:27 <ogra_ac> ndec, not slower just more annoying :) what i proposed would run from a running system so the user couls play solitaire while it copies :)
Oct 08 14:03:13 <ndec> ogra: let's fire solitaire in ascii from initrd then...
Oct 08 14:03:20 <ogra_ac> haha
Oct 08 14:03:59 <ogra_ac> ndec, well, seriously i dont think it matters where you run the copying so jasper seems to be a good place
Oct 08 14:04:03 <ndec> ogra: when you resize the partition to you erase partitions that might exist, or do you just use free space?
Oct 08 14:04:17 <davidm> ogra_ac, is the TI call happening today?
Oct 08 14:04:30 <rsalveti> davidm: nops, canceled
Oct 08 14:04:34 <ogra_ac> ndec, when the resizing runs the mbr and partition table were already overwritten by your zcat/dd
Oct 08 14:04:36 <davidm> OK thanks
Oct 08 14:05:09 <ndec> well, but for emmc, if I have /dev/mmclk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 on emmc. and I try to relocate to one of them, will jasper remove the other partition?
Oct 08 14:05:16 <ogra_ac> ndec, so there are no partitions i need to care about in the SD case ... for eMMC you need to come up with something ... a question or some such
Oct 08 14:05:30 <ogra_ac> jasper wont remove anything
Oct 08 14:05:43 <ogra_ac> hmm
Oct 08 14:05:43 <ndec> davidm: sorry.. tried to cancel the meeting request.. but ubuntu/thunderbird does not like our exchange server... or maybe the other way around.
Oct 08 14:05:47 <ogra_ac> though probably it would
Oct 08 14:06:00 <ogra_ac> since we forcefully create the new partition table
Oct 08 14:06:27 <davidm> ndec, NP
Oct 08 14:10:30 <lag> "Thank you for holding. Please wait for the chair person to join" Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Oct 08 14:11:33 <ogra_ac> ndec, i got "Annulé: Ubuntu / OMAP working group weekly" in my inbox
Oct 08 14:11:41 <ogra_ac> so it partially worked at least
Oct 08 14:11:59 <ndec> lag: no call today ;-)
Oct 08 14:12:20 <lag> Thanks for the email ;)
Oct 08 14:12:23 <ndec> ogra: yes. for someone that knows a little of French at least!
Oct 08 15:20:00 <ogra> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/508854/
Oct 08 15:22:47 <lrg> ogra: do you have an ES2.0 panda ?
Oct 08 15:24:44 <prpplague> lrg: yea they have a couple
Oct 08 15:24:53 <prpplague> lrg: greetings vtw
Oct 08 15:24:55 <prpplague> btw
Oct 08 15:24:59 <lrg> prpplague: greetings
Oct 08 15:25:22 <lrg> prpplague: I now have some time in my schedule for Panda config
Oct 08 15:25:48 <lrg> prpplague: although, I'm having some issues even geting it to boot atm :(
Oct 08 15:26:45 <lrg> prpplague: I have USB keyboard/mouse + ethernet plugged in and when I boot it keeps on detecting new keyboards/mice/ethernet until I physically remove the connectors
Oct 08 15:27:05 <lrg> I had 35 keyboards
Oct 08 15:27:13 <prpplague> lrg: uh never seen that before
Oct 08 15:27:20 <lrg> are you ES2.0 ?
Oct 08 15:27:28 <prpplague> yea and es2.1
Oct 08 15:27:31 <lrg> ok
Oct 08 15:27:41 <lrg> can you send me a link to your image ?
Oct 08 15:28:13 <prpplague> http://omapedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Minimal_Linux_Main
Oct 08 15:28:18 <prpplague> lrg: validation images are there
Oct 08 15:28:31 <lrg> prpplague: thanks !
Oct 08 15:28:36 <prpplague> brb
Oct 08 15:28:47 * prpplague needs hot brown liquid
Oct 08 15:31:34 <hrw> prpplague: filled with holy IT fuel?
Oct 08 15:38:25 <prpplague> hrw: 1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione
Oct 08 15:39:07 <ogra_ac> lrg, 2.0 and 2.1
Oct 08 15:39:23 <ogra_ac> lrg, i though you talked with rama all day yesterday about it
Oct 08 15:39:51 <lrg> ogra: yeah - I just now have a cable to connect it to my monitor :)
Oct 08 15:40:09 <ogra_ac> ah :)
Oct 08 15:40:14 <lrg> ogra: did you see my previous remark on the multiple keyboards etc
Oct 08 15:40:18 <lrg> seems weird
Oct 08 15:40:25 <lrg> unless I have the wrong image ?
Oct 08 15:40:32 <lrg> but Rama sent me the link
Oct 08 15:41:07 <ogra_ac> lrg, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/
Oct 08 15:41:32 <lrg> ogra: yep, that's the link I used
Oct 08 15:41:43 <ogra_ac> great
Oct 08 15:41:54 <lrg> ogra: ok, so I may have some flakey hardware here
Oct 08 15:42:05 <ogra_ac> lrg, just zcat it to the SD
Oct 08 15:42:14 <lrg> yeah - did all that
Oct 08 15:42:26 <lrg> hmm
Oct 08 15:42:39 * ogra_ac didnt see your remark about kbd, whats wrong ?
Oct 08 15:42:54 <lrg> prpplague: I now have some time in my schedule for Panda config
Oct 08 15:42:55 <lrg> <lrg> prpplague: although, I'm having some issues even geting it to boot atm :(
Oct 08 15:42:55 <lrg> <lrg> prpplague: I have USB keyboard/mouse + ethernet plugged in and when I boot it keeps on detecting new keyboards/mice/ethernet until I physically remove the connectors
Oct 08 15:42:55 <lrg> <lrg> I had 35 keyboards
Oct 08 15:43:28 <ogra_ac> wow
Oct 08 15:43:28 <ogra_ac> thats odd
Oct 08 15:43:32 <lrg> ogra: I cant get past the welcome screen due to this
Oct 08 15:43:37 <lrg> yeah, seems very odd
Oct 08 15:43:38 * ogra_ac has never seen such behavior
Oct 08 15:43:50 <lrg> afaik, I'm the only one with this behaviour
Oct 08 15:43:51 <ogra_ac> are you sure its a 2.0 ?
Oct 08 15:44:00 <ogra_ac> we dropped support for 1.0
Oct 08 15:44:20 <lrg> yeah, green board - Rama confirmed
Oct 08 15:44:31 <lrg> got it last week
Oct 08 15:44:39 <ogra_ac> k
Oct 08 15:45:01 <ogra_ac> well, there are several 1.0 that are green too
Oct 08 15:45:09 <ogra_ac> does it have a wlan chip ?
Oct 08 15:45:13 <ogra_ac> (1.0 didnt)
Oct 08 15:45:17 <lrg> yes
Oct 08 15:45:23 <ogra_ac> k
Oct 08 15:45:30 <ogra_ac> then its definitely 2.0
Oct 08 15:45:53 <lrg> everything failing is on the LAN/USB connector
Oct 08 15:46:01 <ogra_ac> and green means 8 layer ... that should just work
Oct 08 15:46:13 <ogra_ac> we tested here for the whole week
Oct 08 15:46:23 <lrg> ok, it's looking more like hw
Oct 08 15:46:26 <ogra_ac> any hub involved ?
Oct 08 15:46:28 <lrg> no
Oct 08 15:46:46 <ogra_ac> and did you try another kbd
Oct 08 15:47:19 <lrg> no, not yet - but the ethernet also is detected 36 times
Oct 08 15:47:30 <lrg> with different MAC addresses
Oct 08 15:47:40 <prpplague> wow i've never seen that before
Oct 08 15:47:54 * ogra_ac neither
Oct 08 15:47:58 <prpplague> lrg: do you have anything plugged into the OTG port?
Oct 08 15:48:23 <lrg> I wonder if the USB/LAN connector is needing reflowed
Oct 08 15:48:29 <lrg> prpplague: no
Oct 08 15:49:48 <lrg> prpplague, ogra: ok, let me try todays image
Oct 08 15:50:40 <armin76> nice, 36 ethernets!
Oct 08 15:51:01 <armin76> hope you do a trunking with them!
Oct 08 15:51:12 <lrg> hehe
Oct 08 17:24:21 <dhiry2k> hi all i have installed 10.10 in my board after gdm login input given it just shows blank
Oct 08 17:24:48 <dhiry2k> i mean it is stopping in between after login input given
Oct 08 21:41:38 <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, poke poek
Oct 08 21:47:31 <rcn-ee> hey cwillu what's up
Oct 08 21:48:05 <cwillu_at_work> still in the kernel business?
Oct 08 21:48:45 <cwillu_at_work> incidently, if anyone is talking about btrfs on sd, 2.6.37 is going to improve some matters
Oct 08 21:49:24 <rcn-ee> yeah..  well not today, pulling the 302 out of my mustang. ;) do they have anything different from mainline btrfs?
Oct 08 21:49:48 <cwillu_at_work> which, .37, or the mustang?
Oct 08 21:50:19 <cwillu_at_work> I have an ecu from a '90 miata sitting on my desk, if that counts for anything
Oct 08 21:50:46 <rcn-ee> yeah, i have the mainline 2.6.36-rc7 built..  was there more for btrfs that you were looking at.. ;)
Oct 08 21:51:41 <cwillu_at_work> actually, that's not a bad version
Oct 08 21:52:16 <rcn-ee> it's only a couple days old too. ;)
Oct 08 21:52:20 <cwillu_at_work> 2.6.37 should have raid5/6, and also shared block allocations for small devices such that enospc issues are gone
Oct 08 21:52:41 <cwillu_at_work> yep;  .37rc6 has a noisy dmesg in btrfs :p
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