**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 20 02:59:56 2010 Oct 20 04:57:13 *yawn* Oct 20 04:57:17 is plymouth meant to work on armel? Oct 20 04:57:34 I tried all the usual tricks and it just never does anything Oct 20 04:57:45 I can't even get it to --show-splash from a terminal Oct 20 05:21:07 persia: ping ping :) Oct 20 06:16:39 speak chinese Oct 20 06:17:51 meiye: why chinese, 你好 Oct 20 06:27:13 NO 第一次来这里。我的英文很差。 Oct 20 06:28:28 bkero, Hello. Oct 20 06:28:45 Neko, It works with the default omap3 image on a C4 at least. Oct 20 06:28:51 !zh Oct 20 06:28:52 For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw 或者 #ubuntu-hk Oct 20 06:30:12 persia: Hi. :) I was told that you have a Netwalker too. I'm trying to get a newer kernel on mine. Oct 20 06:30:19 thanks Oct 20 06:30:46 rcn-ee: can i propose a trivial fix to your build_kernel.sh script? http://pastebin.com/Angukv4y Oct 20 06:30:48 persia, hmm, it doesn't here for some reason Oct 20 06:30:56 the boot process is >20 seconds and it never appears Oct 20 06:31:06 I just got ureadahead working to absolutely no benefit :D Oct 20 06:31:08 rcn-ee: otherwise, running build_kernel.sh twice actually rebuilds the kernel twice, as the config options have changed. Oct 20 06:31:37 rcn-ee, btw I meant to ask you why you are doing Beagleboard stuff.. work or play or.. ? Oct 20 06:32:07 I ask because guys like you should have more fun arm hardware to play with (i.e. do you want a free imx515 board? :) Oct 20 06:32:31 OooooOoo Oct 20 06:32:55 bkero, Excellent. Oct 20 06:33:23 persia: Do you have a newer kernel than 2.6.28 on it? Oct 20 06:33:54 Neko, No idea, although I've heard that some folk are trying to remove the splash from plymouth in Ubuntu, which may affect that. Oct 20 06:34:25 bkero, I don't. I know of a 2.6.36-pre kernel that boots, but it doesn't support video or network, making it less than useful. Oct 20 06:34:26 the grub-does-splash-and-we-rely-on-kms thing? Oct 20 06:34:42 Something like that. Mind you, it won't work for some special cases. Oct 20 06:35:09 yeah everyone who has an intel graphics, anyone who has a graphics card nouveau doesn't really support... crazy radeon cards that are too new Oct 20 06:35:12 :) Oct 20 06:35:14 persia: I have a 2.6.36-rc8 kernel...that doesn't show a framebuffer. Oct 20 06:35:15 if you want to force plymouth to be on, the easiest way is to use luks-encrypted disks, which then require plymouth user interaction to get the passphrase. Oct 20 06:35:35 well I did this Oct 20 06:35:38 sudo plymouthd & Oct 20 06:35:40 persia: where would I go about getting mor einformation/working on this almost-working 2.6.36-pre? Oct 20 06:35:43 sudo plymouth --show-splash Oct 20 06:35:45 it does nothing Oct 20 06:36:03 Neko, Hrm? No, the special cases where it doesn't work are related to critical input/output. That stuff looks ugly in some situations are just bugs. Oct 20 06:36:52 bkero, git://git.linaro.org/people/amitk/linux-2.6.git is the repo Oct 20 06:37:09 I just don't understand why it doesn't do anything Oct 20 06:37:10 persia: is there a .config for it? Oct 20 06:37:17 Neko, I don't know enough about plymouth to know why that would or wouldn't work. Oct 20 06:37:28 bkero, No. Oct 20 06:37:55 Bleh, I'll try my .config then Oct 20 06:37:59 bkero, My understanding is that the tree was based on FSL BSPs + netwalker 2.6.28 patches + Efika MX patches. Oct 20 06:38:12 (plus potentially other ARM-interesting stuff). Oct 20 06:38:29 Neko, Reading backscroll: I don't have an efikamx (although I have other i.MX51 hardware). Oct 20 06:38:56 persia: awesome, at least it's closer to vanlila Oct 20 06:38:58 we sent you one didn't we Oct 20 06:39:04 or.. you're getting one at UDS? Oct 20 06:39:17 rsalveti: yesterday i've installed powervr on maverick and switch to ubuntu desktop mode, but whole system performance is still very poor :( (I use beagle C4) Oct 20 06:39:46 Neither, to the best of my knowledge. I'll take one if you're offering, but I'm not sure I'd provide as much benefit as others might. Oct 20 06:40:04 well you recommended 10 boards to be sent out I thought one went to you Oct 20 06:40:37 bkero, If you can get something that is even close to working, *please* let me know: I'll be an excited tester. I've run into more than I understand about the kernel, and have been looking at trying to get maverick working with recompiled 2.6.28 Oct 20 06:40:59 Neko, No. Those were all to people who will do something more interesting than say "I have one of those" on IRC. Oct 20 06:41:00 grahhhhhh network manager applet doesn't bloody work Oct 20 06:42:11 why wouldn't it be in the panel by default? Oct 20 06:43:13 Check .xsession-errors Oct 20 06:43:16 persia: I do have working lucid and maverick images booting off SD card, tomorrow night I'm going to try to get them on the MTD :) Oct 20 06:43:34 bkero, You do? Which kernel? Oct 20 06:43:41 persia: 2.6.28. http://blueheaven.ws/2010/10/06/sharp-netwalker-ubuntu-lucid-image/ Oct 20 06:44:31 Is that a recompiled kernel, or the default kernel? Oct 20 06:44:37 default kernel Oct 20 06:44:42 * persia was running into libc6 segfaults running the stock kernel Oct 20 06:44:43 ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area Oct 20 06:44:49 ** (nm-applet) crap Oct 20 06:44:50 ** (nm-applet) crap Oct 20 06:45:04 ** Message" applet now embedded in the notification area Oct 20 06:45:19 persia: sometimes X would crash, that might be the same problem you ran into. Talking with some Ubuntu guys here in Portland, they said that kernel was compiled for ARMv5, but the userland is ARMv7 Oct 20 06:45:33 maybe it is there just hidden somehow Oct 20 06:45:53 bkero, for Netwalker? Oct 20 06:46:01 bkero, Right. From what I've been told, at a very minimum, it's important to recompile the kernel with a maverick toolchain. Oct 20 06:46:04 Neko: yes Oct 20 06:46:08 HEYYYY it magically came back Oct 20 06:46:18 I just took out eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces Oct 20 06:46:21 bkero, But default userland is ARMv5 also. Oct 20 06:46:22 persia: is the 2.6.28 source even available? Oct 20 06:46:34 so it actually does not work anymore when it cannot manage a device? bah Oct 20 06:47:06 I wish I had some netwalker-like board that I could run serial on on while trying to debug this. Oct 20 06:47:20 ahem efikamx Oct 20 06:47:43 netwalker is a babbage derivative, mx51. Is an efika MX pretty close? :) Oct 20 06:47:54 bkero, That's a matter of some debate. I usually point folk at http://netbook-remix.archive.canonical.com/updates/pool/public/l/linux-fsl-imx51/ for sources, but I've read that Sharp ended up shipping something different on some pages. Oct 20 06:48:19 persia: Do you have any idea what the araneo team is? They added that string to the end of the stock kernel Oct 20 06:48:20 Efika MX is *very* close, and has a known working more recent kernel. Oct 20 06:48:23 efika mx is closer to netwalker than babbage Oct 20 06:48:42 Really? Awesome. Does it have the same graphics/framebuffer? Where would I get one of these gems? Oct 20 06:49:03 bkero, The Araneo team was a mix of folks from various groups (including me) that ended up working on the Netwalker. Oct 20 06:49:26 genesiusa.com sells the Efikamx at a reasonable price. Oct 20 06:49:34 persia: oh ok. That one tricked armin76 and me, we couldn't figure out what it was. Oct 20 06:49:34 Also a netbook, although unfortunately larger than is useful. Oct 20 06:49:56 Blah, the netbook does me no more good than the netwalker. :P Oct 20 06:50:07 Just a name. I *think* the "sendai" stuff was for the PC-T1, but I'm not 100% sure. Oct 20 06:50:37 yeah we ran out of cables for serial on the netbook too Oct 20 06:50:48 :( Oct 20 06:50:59 Neko: you work for genesi? Oct 20 06:50:59 delivery time: who the hell knows :( Oct 20 06:51:06 Or freescale or something? :P Oct 20 06:51:08 yeah I'm the product manager Oct 20 06:51:08 Neko, But you have working framebuffer? Would you expect an efika kernel to boot on a netwalker? Oct 20 06:51:17 haha no efika kernel won't boot on netwalker Oct 20 06:51:32 well. if someone backported patches maybe Oct 20 06:51:34 Heh, figures. Just checking :) Oct 20 06:51:34 but I never ever saw any Oct 20 06:52:07 there was a binary only kernel on a canonical partner repository and a broken Sharp opensource page Oct 20 06:52:19 The Canonical page has source for the kernel. Oct 20 06:52:33 But I heard someone claim that source didn't match the binary Sharp shipped. Oct 20 06:52:38 No idea if that is true or not. Oct 20 06:52:46 it doesn't Oct 20 06:52:49 Anyway, source from Canonical is known to boot. Oct 20 06:53:34 Amusing thing is that a new Netwalker ends up having the Sharp kernel overwritten by a Canonical kernel when it first upgrades from the network. Oct 20 06:53:57 Oops, heh Oct 20 06:55:32 So it's safe to use the Canonical sources if you want to play. Oct 20 06:55:51 Ok. I'll try amitk's source first, I'd really like 2.6.36 :) Oct 20 06:56:09 I got stuck trying to create a .config for that. Oct 20 06:56:38 hmm console-setup doesn't set fonts either Oct 20 06:56:49 If you do get one, please enable aufs, as this makes it easier to use as a development environment. Oct 20 06:56:52 man this system is just ugly and no recourse until gdm comes up but that's 28 seconds :( Oct 20 06:57:44 persia: I have a config from a vanilla kernel that should be pretty damn close Oct 20 06:58:21 bkero, For 2.6.36? Oct 20 06:58:27 persia: yea Oct 20 06:58:32 Could you paste it? Oct 20 06:58:43 persia: sure, I don't have framebuffer working on it though :/ Oct 20 06:58:50 Oh, nevermind :) Oct 20 06:59:20 I've another machine on which I can compile stuff with the maverick toolchain, but that one doesn't have enough RAM to run desktop acceptably. Oct 20 06:59:35 I was going to oldconfig it onto the amitk sources you linked me to Oct 20 07:00:06 That makes sense. Oct 20 07:00:10 persia: have you tried those linaro amitk sources? The master branch just looks like vanilla to me Oct 20 07:00:19 But there's wip-efikamx-cleanup3 branch too Oct 20 07:00:45 I tried, but like I said, I got stuck trying to figure out what .config might make it work on a netwalker. Oct 20 07:01:06 I'm unsure what branch makes sense. Dunno how late you want to be up, but it's almost morning in Finland... Oct 20 07:02:19 I'm in the US west coast, I'll be up for another 2 hours playing GTA4 while this kernel compiles :) Oct 20 07:06:25 bkero: what are you trying to run? Oct 20 07:07:38 amitk: A Sharp Netwalker Oct 20 07:09:48 amitk: any experience with that? It's an i.MX51 Oct 20 07:12:49 bkero: no, never laid my hands on one. But I've been enabling the efika smarttop (http://www.genesi-usa.com/products) in mainline recently Oct 20 07:13:58 amitk: I think much the hardware is the same, I'm just concerned about the framebuffer. Oct 20 07:14:16 persia: do you know what kind of graphics the netwalker uses? Just the MXC framebuffer? Oct 20 07:20:35 amitk: in your git repo, what branch should I be using for testing? master, or wip-efikamx-cleanup3? Oct 20 07:21:54 bkero: my patches are now on their way to mainline, try this tree git://git.pengutronix.de/git/imx/linux-2.6.git (imx-for-2.6.37 branch) Oct 20 07:31:23 ogra: hi. did you get a chance to look at the alsa-utils stuff? it seems that the debian/patch/series is fine, but quilt is commented out in debian/rules Oct 20 07:34:26 bkero, I think it's just the MXC framebuffer: check your dmesg Oct 20 07:35:13 ndec, quilt often isn't necessary anymore, since the introduction of the new package formats. Oct 20 07:35:36 dpkg now has it's own internal implementation of quilt which is almost (but not quite) the same. Oct 20 07:35:52 persia: ok... however when i build the package with dpkg-buildpackage after downloading the .diff from the upload queue, i can see that no patches are used Oct 20 07:36:12 persia: hence the omap4 file is not added since it's added in debian/patches Oct 20 07:36:22 Since alsa-utils is Format: 3.0 (quilt) [you can check with apt-cache showsrc alsa-utils], it will automatically handle quilt patches without reference in debian/rules. Oct 20 07:37:01 persia: "MXC Video Output MXC Video Output.0: Registered device video0". Looks like it. Oct 20 07:37:09 bkero, Indeed. Oct 20 07:37:34 ndec, Hrm. I'd recommend trying from the .dsc and debian.tar.gz: sometimes there's something odd. The patch ought get applied at unpack time, not at build time. Oct 20 07:37:38 mxc_sdc_fb looks like Oct 20 07:37:52 amitk: Have you merged that into mainline yte? Oct 20 07:38:38 persia: argh i see... i did apt-get source to get the old version (ubuntu3.2), then I applied the .diff with patch -p1 command... Oct 20 07:40:20 bkero: it will be, that is the tree that will get pulled by rmk who will feed it to linus Oct 20 07:41:15 ndec, Ah, that won't work at all: the LP diff is only from ubuntu3.2 to ubuntu3.3 and you need from ubuntu3 to ubuntu3.3 if you want to get everything. Oct 20 07:41:52 Or, it might if your apt-get source got 3.2. Hmmm. Oct 20 07:41:54 * persia is confused. Oct 20 07:42:06 persia: i am trying this now, i downloaded the .dsc and .debian.tar.bz2 for ubuntu3.3. the patch is applied, and it's rebuilding now Oct 20 07:42:07 ndec, Anyway, before you build, try `quilt push -a` Oct 20 07:42:18 Ah, that's probably cleaner :) Oct 20 07:44:09 amitk, Does that branch (pengutronix :: imx-for-2.6.37) have the framebuffer stuff? Oct 20 07:45:46 persia: I don't think so Oct 20 07:45:51 still WIP Oct 20 07:47:05 persia: looks better after the build now. I will install and reboot... and we'll see if i have audio Oct 20 07:53:06 ndec, Excellent. Oct 20 07:53:17 amitk, That's what I thought you said before. Just checking. Oct 20 07:53:23 bkero, ^^ Oct 20 07:53:45 persia: so no framebuffer? blah :( Oct 20 07:54:49 bkero, Rather, needs forward-porting :) Oct 20 07:55:11 persia: oh, is that all? ;) Oct 20 07:55:31 persia: from that 2.6.28 ubuntu source you posted earlier? Oct 20 07:56:02 Ought be. I wouldn't expect the code quality to be suitable for upstream for a straight forward-port, but it ought be OK for netwalker users. Oct 20 07:56:13 persia: ogra: i installed alsa-utils ... ubuntu3.3, reboot, still no sound (I tried gst-launch audiotestsrc ! alsasink). Oct 20 07:56:30 That said, I don't know how much the underlying models have changed: might be a fair bit of forward-porting. Oct 20 07:57:05 persia: ogra: i am running kernel -903-omap4 rel 16 Oct 20 07:57:09 lag: see ^^^ Oct 20 07:57:43 ndec, Hrm. I'm not sure the gstreamer test was one that was used. Were any of the prior hacks applied, or was this from a clean image? Oct 20 07:57:51 persia: I'm certain there is. Good news! I work with one of the radeondrm developers, I can ask him about porting a simple framebuffer :) Oct 20 07:58:31 persia: clean image (10.10) with updates from -udpates, + -proposed + my own built alsa-utils. never ran any custom amixer script. i rebooted a couple of times Oct 20 07:58:52 bkero, Excellent! Good luck. Oct 20 07:59:16 ndec, Do the outputs appear in the volume manager? Oct 20 07:59:35 ndec: What are the results of "find / -name omap4" Oct 20 07:59:46 persia: i guess you mean in the sound applet, right? Oct 20 08:00:34 Yep. Oct 20 08:00:56 lag, That's a very agressive find. You sure you don't just need the output of /usr/share/alsa/ ? Oct 20 08:01:28 It doesn't take too long, but yeah, that would be helpful Oct 20 08:01:51 I couldn't remember the exact path Oct 20 08:02:10 Ought be /usr/share/alsa/init/omap4 Oct 20 08:02:21 persia: yeah Oct 20 08:02:24 that's it Oct 20 08:02:24 That'll do then Oct 20 08:02:37 ndec: --^ Oct 20 08:02:38 i failed to find that file Oct 20 08:02:49 I fear it is still missing Oct 20 08:03:34 lag: /usr/share/alsa/init/omap4 is there Oct 20 08:03:51 That's good news Oct 20 08:03:56 persia: no it's not in the output menu. i see only dummy output Oct 20 08:04:34 Hrm. Something didn't work as expected then. Oct 20 08:04:37 persia: i think the sound apple requires pulse, and ogra told me that we still don't have the pulse patches, only alsa. Oct 20 08:04:41 What is the contents of: /proc/asound/cards Oct 20 08:04:57 lag: do you have a command to test alsa handy? i generally use gst-launch Oct 20 08:05:15 Let me see if I can remember it Oct 20 08:06:10 ndec, You may be right. My understanding was that the remaining pulse profile stuff was only required for HDMI. Oct 20 08:06:58 aplay -Dplughw:, Oct 20 08:07:07 IIRC Oct 20 08:08:27 With the patches, simple `aplay foo.wav` might work. Oct 20 08:08:35 * persia isn't sure just how many outputs appear Oct 20 08:10:32 persia: lag: aplay something.wav --> no sound Oct 20 08:11:03 Can you paste bin `aplay -l` Oct 20 08:11:43 And `cat /proc/asound/cards` Oct 20 08:12:43 lag: persia: if you want to test this on your side, here is my .deb: http://dl.free.fr/rq6u1HCCE/alsa-utils_1.0.23-2ubuntu3.3_armel.deb Oct 20 08:12:52 Also, what was the exact aplay command you issued? Oct 20 08:13:09 ndec: Unfortunately, I don't have up to date hardware Oct 20 08:13:19 ndec: I have been left behind :( Oct 20 08:13:49 okay, other-arm-server-optimize-lamp-stack blueprint filed. Oct 20 08:13:53 ndec: It would help if you can provide my requested information :) Oct 20 08:14:01 lag: argh... aplay -l --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/516703/ Oct 20 08:14:24 lag: i am doing it, don't worry.. Oct 20 08:14:32 :) Oct 20 08:14:44 That looks good Oct 20 08:14:52 * lag sees lots of Pandas Oct 20 08:14:59 lag: and this looks good too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/516704/ Oct 20 08:15:34 ndec: Looks good to me Oct 20 08:15:46 And the aplay command you issued to play the audio file? Oct 20 08:15:47 Panda Panda everywhere, and not a Beagle in sight Oct 20 08:15:52 lag: it looks good.. but it does not sound good ;-) Oct 20 08:16:03 :) Oct 20 08:17:10 ndec: ? Oct 20 08:17:45 Martyn, Lots of folk (like me) have Beagles. But beagle seems better supported in maverick today: less bugs => less traffic. Oct 20 08:18:00 lag: i tried aplay foo.wav, it seems to play but no sound Oct 20 08:18:18 Do you actually have a WAV named "foo"? Oct 20 08:18:23 Try specifying a device Oct 20 08:18:51 aplay -Dplughw:0,7 Oct 20 08:18:58 Will play through HDMI for example Oct 20 08:20:39 lag: i don't have a hdmi monitor, so I should use 0,0, right? Oct 20 08:21:20 lag: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav --> audio open error invalid argument Oct 20 08:21:53 Try them all sequentially Oct 20 08:22:07 I don't know which one is mapped correctly, is the honest answer Oct 20 08:22:33 Pay particular attention to 9 and 11 Oct 20 08:23:40 ndec: lag: plughw:0,0 or plughw:0,2 should work Oct 20 08:24:01 0,0 and 0,2 --> invalid argument Oct 20 08:24:04 ndec: what is the output of aplay -L ? Oct 20 08:24:24 0,7 -> it seems to play but no sound ( i don't have hdmi display) Oct 20 08:24:38 0,9 seems to play, but no sound Oct 20 08:24:48 berco: http://paste.ubuntu.com/516703/ Oct 20 08:25:25 Oh, capital L Oct 20 08:25:28 and uppercase L Oct 20 08:25:33 ;) Oct 20 08:25:33 :) Oct 20 08:28:25 berco: http://paste.ubuntu.com/516710/ Oct 20 08:30:18 ndec: have you tried aplay -Dpulse ? Oct 20 08:30:50 berco: no sound Oct 20 08:31:15 ndec: I think you can also use aplay -Dplughw:Panda,0 Oct 20 08:33:14 berco: aplay -Dpulse will get back to alsa Oct 20 08:56:25 lag: persia: ogra: we looked into this with berco, after running alsactl init 0, things work better. and after reboot sound is there. the output tab shows 'panda analog stereo' and the hardware tab show 'panda' Oct 20 08:58:04 That's confusing. I thought ogra sorted that. hrm. Oct 20 08:58:15 You still have to issue alsactl :( Oct 20 08:58:25 Perhaps ogra will know more when he returns Oct 20 08:58:35 He knows the current state of the required packages Oct 20 08:58:44 lag, But there's a hardcoded call to alsactl on one of the SRUs. Is it just a race condition? Oct 20 08:59:44 persia: if you call alsa-utils restart, then it will ignore again our omap4 file and reset all amixer values. In this case, you need to issue again alsactl init 0. Oct 20 09:02:08 berco, Hrm. Shouldn't it notice the omap4 file on restart? Why would it re-ignore it? Oct 20 09:02:59 persia: that's the problem I think. We need to understand why and I also thought that fix from ogra was to address this. Oct 20 09:04:45 Hence why you need to ask him Oct 20 09:04:59 He has all this information Oct 20 09:05:02 persia: lag: ogra: pulse is not working by default, it works if I add tsched=0 in /etc/pulse/default.pa on line 'load-module module-udev-detect' Oct 20 09:05:12 after this change I can play MP3 in totem Oct 20 09:06:40 Hrm. I thought the solution was to use pulse profiles, but I suppose we could add a udev rule to do that if the profiles weren't enough. Oct 20 09:06:47 berco or diwic would know more. Oct 20 09:07:43 Has the one line change in /usr/share/alsa/init/00main been persistent? Oct 20 09:08:14 Yes, in 3.3 Oct 20 09:08:19 lag: line has been changed in 00main Oct 20 09:08:53 we are still missing the /usr/share/pulseaudio/profile-sets .conf file Oct 20 09:09:07 Ah Oct 20 09:09:14 Would that cause these symptoms? Oct 20 09:12:15 lag: no. we need tsched=0, it tells pulse to use an interupt based scheduling algo, instead of time based. I think this is a problem in driver. we needed this even with the manual pulse config before. Oct 20 09:12:35 lag: well that said, this parameter might as well be put in profile-sets.... Oct 20 09:14:21 Doesn't sound unreasonable Oct 20 09:19:27 morning Oct 20 09:19:39 sigh ... so many pings Oct 20 09:21:07 so as i said last week ... alsactl init (which doesnt need a 0 appended, else you might get undesired results) is only called if no state file exists by the package, and as i said i need more tests on a virgin install to find if we also need to call it once by postinst Oct 20 09:21:36 s/exists by the package/exists by the time the package is installed/ Oct 20 09:22:48 how you should test it atm is: right after install and before first reboot, install the updates (or the manually rolled alsa-utils) ... after first reboot sound will work (also in pulse) but pulse will not expose the HDMI interface until we have added the pulse profile Oct 20 09:23:02 * ogra hopes thats clear Oct 20 09:23:46 you should never call aslactl manually Oct 20 09:24:34 berco, ndec, lag, persia ^^^ Oct 20 09:25:40 ogra: ndec can probably comment better but I understood he installed the package updates, rebooted and no sound Oct 20 09:25:57 ogra: we had to manually call alsactl init Oct 20 09:25:57 berco, on a virgin system right after install ? Oct 20 09:26:15 ndec: ? Oct 20 09:26:26 as i said, i'm still evaluating the postinst stuff, thats why you need to do it at a point where no state file exists Oct 20 09:27:17 ogra: but you are right. After asound.state file is created, sound is there after a reboot Oct 20 09:27:32 right and the init has to happen before it exists Oct 20 09:27:58 thats what my change does ... Oct 20 09:28:49 i was planning to work around that in postinst but need the results from a virgin system first Oct 20 09:29:49 in any case pulse works by default in all my tests, i dont get why ndec had to touch the config at all on a virgin system Oct 20 09:30:33 ogra: I think ndec is busy right now, let's wait a couple of min to double check if he made the test from a virgin 10.10 Oct 20 09:30:59 yeah Oct 20 09:52:42 <_dash_> hi I am trying to istall arm toolchain with “apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi" Oct 20 09:52:48 <_dash_> on ubuntu 10.04 Oct 20 09:53:09 <_dash_> but it gives me error E: Couldn't find package gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi Oct 20 09:53:27 <_dash_> What does it require in source.list ? Oct 20 09:53:47 <_dash_> hrw: ?? Oct 20 09:54:27 _dash_, I think the cross-toolchain is only available in maverick. Oct 20 09:54:43 We typically don't cross-compile anything anyway: I'll encourage you to native-compile whatever you need. Oct 20 09:55:04 <_dash_> i WANT TO CROSS COMPILE KERNEL Oct 20 09:55:11 <_dash_> sorry for caps Oct 20 09:56:27 <_dash_> How do I get it on lucid ? Oct 20 09:57:19 _dash_: https://wiki.linaro.org/MichaelHope/Sandbox/CrossCompilerOnLucid Oct 20 09:59:04 ops - thats old Oct 20 09:59:12 https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/CrossCompilerOnLucid is proper Oct 20 09:59:28 <_dash_> thanks hrw: Oct 20 10:10:31 ogra: berco: i am back... sorry was in a call Oct 20 10:11:52 ogra: berco: what I did is: 10.10 fresh install, updates with -updates, then with -proposed without any reboot so far. no sound. but this is because alsa-utils is not in -proposed yet. then I tried to reboot (argh!), then I built alsa-utils from the upload queue, and still no sound, but I did reboot before Oct 20 10:12:34 then I ran alsactl init, and rebooted again, and sound was there. but I needed a tweak in pulse (tsched=0) otherwise totem would crash Oct 20 10:13:26 but you had system sounds at that state ? Oct 20 10:13:36 i.e. the login melody Oct 20 10:22:23 ogra_ac: yes, system sound after all that Oct 20 10:22:24 yes Oct 20 10:23:03 ogra_ac: but playing thourgh totem and/or gst fails after a few seconds Oct 20 10:34:44 ndec, sounds good, i assume we can solve the tsched issue through the pulse profile, i'll add an alsactl init call to postinst and the alsa part should be fine then (so people can install it after first boot too) Oct 20 10:35:26 ogra_ac: will it work after several reboots as well ;-) just kidding. Oct 20 10:36:14 no, indeed you have to reapply the updates on very boot :P Oct 20 10:39:22 *every Oct 20 11:02:22 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj Oct 20 11:25:51 Um. Oct 20 12:01:00 interesting catch bernard_ on my side, i'm tweaking patches/config every time so it's usually different but for end users that make it easier.. Oct 20 13:09:57 Hello, I installed a maverick chroot on a debian lenny, and tried to build a rootstock image with info on this pastebin : http://paste.ubuntu.com/516807/. Unfortunately, it ended with an error that is not very explicit to me (also in pastebin). Do you have any idea what went wrong please ? It could be related to a previously failed upgrade from lucid to maverick (logs included) Oct 20 13:10:56 I know it's not the good place for general linux related questions. The failed upgrade info is here as context, but I don't think it's related with the ARM rootstock failure Oct 20 13:14:59 pwork, Consider using one of the "minimal" or "standard" seeds from the platform seed collection if you're looking at a minimal system. Oct 20 13:16:27 persia, Thanks :) I try it now Oct 20 13:16:43 I'm not sure it will help with your problem, but ... :) Oct 20 13:17:06 I don't see anything in the log that would explain why you got "E: Second stage build in chroot failed !". Oct 20 13:18:03 Upgrade is probably something funny about being running in a chroot. I generally use apt-get dist-upgrade in chroots (although I know it doesn't do a lot of useful cleanup necessary for real functional systems). Oct 20 13:18:10 Yes, this first error seems to be the cause of the following ones, but this first error has no real error mentionned before it Oct 20 13:19:18 persia, Yes, funny and frightening, since it includes boot images and grub upgrades :s Oct 20 13:19:55 lucid is the first update where a prompt was giving user the choice not to install or update grub. In previous updates, grub did update my /dev/sda :s Oct 20 13:20:09 But fortunately, nothing got fuck** up for the host OS Oct 20 13:20:14 rootstock uses qemu-arm-static which expects that your kernel can execute armel binaires Oct 20 13:20:39 there should be a --no--root (or similar) option that makes it use a vm instead of a chroot Oct 20 13:21:03 (in maverick at least, i dont think thats solvable for lusid unless you make your host kernel behave right) Oct 20 13:21:24 I'm not as much knowledget on chroots : a chroot doesn't own its own kernel ? Oct 20 13:21:24 !ohmy | pwork Oct 20 13:21:25 pwork: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. Oct 20 13:21:28 It uses the host one ? Oct 20 13:21:42 Almost certainly, yes. If you want to run a separate kernel, you need to be in a VM. Oct 20 13:22:08 it uses binfmt_misc to run qemu-arm-static Oct 20 13:22:18 Ok, I'll go with the --no-root option so, or building the image from a live cd Oct 20 13:22:35 if the host kernel isnt set up for that it will most likely fail to chroot Oct 20 13:22:38 I feel like I did a ubuntu chroot for nothing :p Oct 20 13:23:43 My host has this kernel : 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 (lenny backport) Oct 20 13:24:16 the kernel doesnt matter, the binfmt setup does Oct 20 13:24:39 you need qemu-arm-static installed and configured on the host (ubuntu does that automatically) Oct 20 13:25:05 binmft-support 1.2.11 Oct 20 13:25:28 qemu-arm-static should work with any binfmt version Oct 20 13:25:36 but i doubt its available in lenny Oct 20 13:25:43 ogra, Ok, I install this on the debian host so, hoping version is not too old Oct 20 13:25:55 It will slow ubuntu down Oct 20 13:26:03 ?? Oct 20 13:26:09 why should it Oct 20 13:26:41 My english is not good :) I mean ubuntu can do better since it has more up-to-date software. The lenny's host has older software Oct 20 13:27:29 well, and in ubuntu such features are deeply integrated ... in debian you usually (or often) have to do manual configuration Oct 20 13:27:36 So I don't know if setting up qemu-arm-static on a lenny will be up-to-date enough to build a armv7 stockroot Oct 20 13:28:13 Ok, manual settings are cool, just wonder about too old software versions on the debian OS Oct 20 13:28:28 I'll try it tonight adter work and will back to you Oct 20 13:28:31 (after) Oct 20 13:28:36 good luck Oct 20 13:29:46 Thanks, strength and honor Russel Oct 20 13:29:48 :p Oct 20 13:56:54 ogra, qemu-arm-static is deprecated,and we're dropping it soon: please recommend qemu-kvm-static-extra Oct 20 13:57:12 Err, qemu-kvm-extras-static Oct 20 13:57:19 (yes, I know this is hard to remember, but still) Oct 20 14:02:11 silly Oct 20 14:02:21 and wont help for debian users at all Oct 20 14:02:43 * ogra_ac would really like to keep the transitional package Oct 20 14:05:48 Why? Oct 20 14:06:01 Debian folk can't use qemu-arm-static either. Oct 20 14:06:39 neither anything with qemu-kvm Oct 20 14:07:06 i think in debian its just called qemu-static Oct 20 14:07:56 qemu-user-static Oct 20 14:08:22 Anyway, point being, it has stuff for N architectures, not just arm. Oct 20 14:08:40 I suppose it could be split per-architecture or something, but calling it qemu-arm-static is silly, considering the contents. Oct 20 14:08:41 but a sane package name Oct 20 14:08:59 In the abstract, yes. In the implementation, very certainly not. Oct 20 14:09:13 ?? Oct 20 14:09:40 The implementation isn't only arm. Oct 20 14:09:45 yep Oct 20 14:09:52 which is fine Oct 20 14:10:06 So unless you change the packaging structure, calling it anything "arm" is wildly incorrect. Oct 20 14:10:29 That said, with a different structure, "qemu-arm-static" is a perfectly reasonable package name. Oct 20 14:10:41 It just doesn't even begin to approach anything similar to what we release. Oct 20 14:12:42 * persia stops being a pedant for a few hours Oct 20 14:18:00 so building alsa-driver definitely breaks trying to redefine hrtimer Oct 20 14:18:12 (on the ac100 kernel) Oct 20 14:18:26 ogra: Thank you Oct 20 14:20:01 lag, ? Oct 20 14:20:15 for trying to build alsa on ac100 ? Oct 20 14:20:28 Nope Oct 20 14:20:33 For filling in my Wiki Oct 20 14:20:45 oh, welcome ! Oct 20 14:20:58 was a pleasure ;) Oct 20 14:22:03 :) Oct 20 14:22:06 Nice lies Oct 20 14:38:25 bkero: what tricked me? Oct 20 14:56:46 hello, what is the list of all options for the --seed parameter of rootstock? Oct 20 14:57:10 all packages in ubuntu ;) Oct 20 14:57:36 thanks ogra_ac Oct 20 14:57:42 i see examples like "ubuntu-minimal" Oct 20 14:57:45 in the man page Oct 20 14:57:48 right Oct 20 14:58:12 is there a subset of all ubuntu packages that makes sense? I guess ubuntu-minimal is probably a good place to start... Oct 20 14:58:26 ubuntu-desktop? Oct 20 14:58:28 so if i used "--seed nano" i would get a rootfs with only nano installed? Oct 20 14:58:39 yes Oct 20 14:58:51 ubuntu-minimal is a default anyway Oct 20 14:59:08 i tried that first hrw but some rc script is locking it up. Oct 20 14:59:20 so you would get ubuntu-minimal+nano Oct 20 14:59:29 oh ic Oct 20 14:59:46 thanks ogra_ac hrw that's what I needed Oct 20 15:00:16 debootstrap (which runs first) installs ubuntu-minimal ... so --seed ubuntu-minimal is actually a no-op Oct 20 15:01:49 ic Oct 20 15:18:47 * rsalveti lunch Oct 20 20:05:45 Hi. Oct 20 20:07:00 I am following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall but it doesn't boot into the "create username/password" prompt it says it will. Oct 20 20:07:14 Is there a default? I just get a gui login prompt. Oct 20 20:09:25 Deformative: which hardware are you using? Oct 20 20:09:36 are you using the initrd or just uImage? Oct 20 20:10:51 beagleboard Oct 20 20:10:56 uImage Oct 20 20:11:17 if you modified your boot arguments, to use just uImage this is expected Oct 20 20:11:52 Oh I see. Oct 20 20:11:57 you should boot it with uimage and uinitrd, like what you get when writing the image with dd Oct 20 20:12:18 because then it'll resize your sd card and set up the environment to call oem-config Oct 20 20:14:03 GrueMaster: good afternoon Oct 20 20:27:08 mpoirier: Good afternoon to you too. Oct 20 20:27:49 GrueMaster: have you had a chance to boot (and work) 10.10 on beagle C4 lately ? Oct 20 20:28:09 No. Haven't powered it on since I got home from TI. Oct 20 20:28:32 humm.... not good... Oct 20 20:28:35 Thankyou rsalveti, That fixed the problem. Oct 20 20:28:44 Deformative: np :-) Oct 20 20:29:00 why? Oct 20 20:29:19 GrueMaster: I'm seeing GNOME errors after login in and I need as second pair of eyes to look at this. Oct 20 20:29:41 plus, system is very sluggish Oct 20 20:29:43 I see them as well. It is mainly due to lack of memory. Oct 20 20:29:50 On XM it is fine. Oct 20 20:30:01 i don't have an XM... Oct 20 20:52:43 i'm working on an xm, i tried the ubuntu maverick image but it didn't work Oct 20 20:52:48 a build did work Oct 20 20:56:42 * kgilmer waits for digikey to ship my xm Oct 20 20:57:20 tried the droid image, didn't want to boot..tried the angstrom image, its kinda slow and muddy.. does ubuntu support the sgx drivers? Oct 20 20:57:33 rsalveti: I am having issues now iwth getting past the splash boot with the "ubuntu" and 5 dots below it. Oct 20 20:57:35 and are there evtouch x11 drivers Oct 20 20:58:00 mouse-_: yup Oct 20 20:58:12 mouse-_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP Oct 20 20:58:12 great!! Oct 20 20:58:28 thanks. i've been googling so much, that i am google-eyed Oct 20 20:58:34 mouse-_: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall Oct 20 20:58:42 there's currently an issue with xm A3 Oct 20 20:58:55 following the wiki should be fine Oct 20 20:59:15 Deformative: were you able to see oem-config? Oct 20 20:59:27 takes a while for the first boot, creating swap and resizing the disk Oct 20 20:59:34 then the second boot should show you oem-config Oct 20 20:59:37 after the splash Oct 20 20:59:37 Nevermind, I think I had bad sdcards. Oct 20 20:59:44 Neither of the 16 gig cards work. Oct 20 20:59:50 I put in a 4 gig one and it's fine. Oct 20 20:59:56 hm, interesting Oct 20 21:00:16 the xM shipped with a 4gig card, and i have a 16gig card. just bought an 8gig card - it didn't work Oct 20 21:00:29 so, maybe there are some bad cards in the lot Oct 20 21:00:37 I'm using 8gig just fine Oct 20 21:00:48 kingston and patriot Oct 20 21:00:57 returning it to replace, i'm sure it's not. ya, kingston for the 8 & 16 Oct 20 21:03:52 The ones that don't work for me are 16 gb kingston. Oct 20 21:05:15 * rsalveti out, time for dinner **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 02:59:57 2010