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Oct 26 03:55:05 <JakeJBailey> hello
Oct 26 03:55:50 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: hey, did you try the ubuntu sgx packages for omap3?
Oct 26 03:56:09 <JakeJBailey> im still installing
Oct 26 03:56:58 <rsalveti> cool
Oct 26 04:05:23 <JakeJBailey> hoe long is this uspposed to take
Oct 26 04:05:29 <JakeJBailey> how*
Oct 26 04:16:49 <JakeJBailey> no serial so idk how im supposed to know its doing anything
Oct 26 04:17:03 <JakeJBailey> been sitting just blinking as it does when idle
Oct 26 04:29:17 <JakeJBailey> hasnt done anything in a while
Oct 26 04:40:15 <JakeJBailey> yea its just sitting, followed these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
Oct 26 05:09:30 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: it usually takes around 4, 5 for the first boot
Oct 26 05:09:31 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: then at your second boot it should display the oem-config after 3, 4 minutes
Oct 26 05:09:37 <rsalveti> then you just finish the installation and you're ok
Oct 26 05:09:56 <JakeJBailey> uhh
Oct 26 05:10:01 <JakeJBailey> mines been sitting here 45mins
Oct 26 05:10:36 <rsalveti> ouch, nothing on the screen?
Oct 26 05:10:43 <JakeJBailey> nope
Oct 26 05:10:46 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: what board are you using?
Oct 26 05:10:52 <JakeJBailey> C4
Oct 26 05:11:11 <rsalveti> oh, that's weird, it should work without any change
Oct 26 05:11:25 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: could be something got wrong during your progress
Oct 26 05:11:38 <rsalveti> you should be able to see something on your monitor from the first boot
Oct 26 05:11:40 <JakeJBailey> progress?
Oct 26 05:11:44 <JakeJBailey> nothing
Oct 26 05:11:45 <rsalveti> it should show you it's resizing the sd card
Oct 26 05:11:56 <JakeJBailey> i got the uncompressing linux and boot in the serial and that was it
Oct 26 05:12:04 <rsalveti> ok, try writing the image again and then edit the boot.scr file to get the serial working
Oct 26 05:12:43 <JakeJBailey> any tips on that? the link goes to no page in the tutorial
Oct 26 05:12:55 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleEditBootscr
Oct 26 05:13:06 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: after writing the image with dd, mount the sd card
Oct 26 05:13:18 <rsalveti> at the first partition give: dd if=boot.scr of=boot.script bs=1 skip=72
Oct 26 05:13:22 <rsalveti> then edit the boot.script file
Oct 26 05:13:29 <JakeJBailey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleEditBootscr
Oct 26 05:13:35 <JakeJBailey> will that work?
Oct 26 05:13:45 <JakeJBailey> oh sry, haha
Oct 26 05:13:51 <rsalveti> add console=ttyS2,115200n8 to the bootargs line
Oct 26 05:14:23 <rsalveti> write the new boot.src file with: mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Ubuntu boot script" -d boot.script boot.scr
Oct 26 05:14:29 <rsalveti> umount the card and boot it on your board
Oct 26 05:14:37 <rsalveti> you should be able to see what's happening at least
Oct 26 05:17:15 <JakeJBailey> sudo sh -c 'zcat ./ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+<omap image>.img.gz >/dev/<device name>'
Oct 26 05:17:21 <JakeJBailey> is that equivalent to dd?
Oct 26 05:20:59 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: yup, just that by giving zcat you don't need to first gunzip it
Oct 26 05:21:20 <rsalveti> in case you want to use dd you first need to gunzip it, then run dd with the img file
Oct 26 05:23:11 <JakeJBailey> epic fail
Oct 26 05:23:16 <JakeJBailey> was the monitor
Oct 26 05:23:24 <JakeJBailey> plugged into a different one and now it works
Oct 26 05:25:35 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: haha :-)
Oct 26 05:25:55 <rsalveti> cool, ping us later in case you need any help with ubuntu
Oct 26 05:26:06 <rsalveti> I'm out now, quite late already
Oct 26 16:31:54 <JakeJBailey> hello
Oct 26 16:32:09 <JakeJBailey> following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP/Graphics i get that none of the packages are found
Oct 26 16:34:04 <JakeJBailey> "unable to locate package"
Oct 26 16:34:11 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: you need to activate the universe and multiverse repo first
Oct 26 16:34:15 <JakeJBailey> did that
Oct 26 16:35:10 <ndec> JakeJBailey: omap3 or omap4?
Oct 26 16:35:18 <JakeJBailey> omap3
Oct 26 16:35:22 <JakeJBailey> beagleboard c4
Oct 26 16:35:41 <ndec> JakeJBailey: ok... so that is for rsalveti then, not me ;-)
Oct 26 16:36:02 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: after apt-get update you should be able to see it
Oct 26 16:36:08 <rsalveti> try giving apt-cache search sgx
Oct 26 16:36:11 <JakeJBailey> wait there are two checkboxes now for the repos
Oct 26 16:36:46 <JakeJBailey> I checked them off in the list style box but there is also a menu where they must be checked\
Oct 26 16:39:39 <JakeJBailey> okay while I am waiting can you guys tell me if there is a nice way to handle choosing a wifi connection from within fluxbox or some other light window manager?
Oct 26 16:41:10 <rsalveti> JakeJBailey: you an always try to start nm-applet
Oct 26 16:41:14 <ogra_ac> stalonetray
Oct 26 16:41:21 <rsalveti> if you have a window manager with systray, you're ok
Oct 26 16:41:27 <ogra_ac> that gives you a floating tray area
Oct 26 16:41:30 <JakeJBailey> okay thanks for the suggestions
Oct 26 16:45:10 <JakeJBailey> okay i think i was enabling it in the other software tab instead of the ubuntu software tab
Oct 26 16:47:07 <JakeJBailey> its working now, thinks for your help guys. Can anyone edit the ubuntu wiki that i linked? if so i will add some clarification to it
Oct 26 17:05:41 <JakeJBailey> when i get packages from the repo for armel im guessing those are compiled to have support for the most chips so would it be very beneficial to compile for my specific armv7a?
Oct 26 18:48:36 <ikke-t> Do you have sound on your bb with maverick netbook install? I don't, shouldn't I?
Oct 26 18:48:48 <ikke-t> C4 hw
Oct 26 20:55:00 <cipher> is there anyway I can get the ubuntu toolchain used to build for the beagleboard as described here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
Oct 26 20:57:28 <ndec> cipher: what exactly are you looking for?
Oct 26 20:57:31 <zumbi_> cipher: emdebian.org has cross toolchains. For ubuntu, those were integrated via some ppa, not sure if already on maverick, try to search for gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi
Oct 26 20:58:38 <ndec> zumbi_: cipher: maverick has armel gcc cross compiler. it's even possible to install them in lucid
Oct 26 20:59:20 <cipher> ndec: I'd like to be able to build a binary for a beagleboard that is I believe running the maverick build
Oct 26 20:59:31 <ndec> for maverick: apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi should work
Oct 26 21:00:16 <ndec> and to install it on lucid: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/ToolChain/CrossCompilerOnLucid
Oct 26 21:01:04 <zumbi_> ndec: do you know if some work has been done for bare metal toolchains?
Oct 26 21:01:10 <cipher> so my host machine isn't an ubuntu box but a debian lenny
Oct 26 21:01:33 <cipher> ndec: does that make things a little more challenging?
Oct 26 21:02:12 <zumbi_> cipher: then use emdebian.org (wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain)
Oct 26 21:02:13 <ndec> cipher: you could still build in a chroot.. that's what I do even if I run maverick.
Oct 26 21:02:52 <ndec> otherwise I don't think there is a bare metal toolchain available. maybe hrw or lool would know.
Oct 26 21:03:02 <cipher> ndec: can you elaborate? I know what a chroot is, but would I then have to setup an entire maverick install inside the chroot?
Oct 26 21:03:31 <ndec> cipher: yes: just create a maverick buildd chroot, and install the arm cross compiler inside.
Oct 26 21:04:03 <cipher> https://wiki.linaro.org/UsingXdeb like this?
Oct 26 21:04:18 <ndec> exactly I was going to point you to this ;-)
Oct 26 21:04:25 <cipher> excellent, thank you.
Oct 26 21:04:33 <ndec> it does not mean that you have to use xdeb, though.
Oct 26 21:04:40 <cipher> zumbi_: I will look at what you've mentioned as well.. not ignoring you :-)
Oct 26 21:05:24 <ndec> cipher: zumbi_: i don't think embeddian would have support for amrv7, though.
Oct 26 21:06:07 <ndec> with the linaro/ubuntu cross compiler you have access to the very same gcc that was used to build the entire ubuntu archive.
Oct 26 21:06:33 <zumbi_> ndec: if you use mabi mcpu options, does not make any difference
Oct 26 21:06:51 <cipher> ndec: I'm almost thinking of just trying to build the rootfs of the beagleboard from scratch seeing as I need a very basic functionality... essentially I just want a linux kern with hidraw and some USB support. the rootfs actually doesn't need much at all I just want to be able to cross compile for the target platform. I was handed a beagleboard with an ubuntu install on it and so i thought this might be the fastest way to get going. 
Oct 26 21:07:01 <zumbi_> ndec: debian and ubuntu tools are the same
Oct 26 21:07:18 <zumbi_> ndec: not exactly, but those share the same base
Oct 26 21:07:24 <ndec> sure
Oct 26 21:08:10 <ndec> cipher: so you want to rebuild the rootfs? why exactly? why can't you just use the existing rootfs or build a minimal (console only) rootfs with rootstock for example
Oct 26 21:08:43 <cipher> ndec: like I said I'm open to suggestions. I'm just kind of new to this and have kind of a hobby project
Oct 26 21:09:05 <cipher> so if you have any pointers to that I am happy to look. I'll check on rootstock
Oct 26 21:09:11 <ndec> cipher: np... so you might want to check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
Oct 26 21:09:24 <cipher> everything atm is kind of fragmented in my mind. kind of aware some of the pieces but not sure how to put them all together
Oct 26 21:09:33 <ndec> you can create a minimal rootfs with console only + apt-get installed in a few minutes.
Oct 26 21:10:04 <ndec> with rootstock you create the ubuntu rootfs that you want, you choose all the packages you need.
Oct 26 21:11:04 <cipher> so then I just need to build a kernel myself or does that handle that part as well
Oct 26 21:11:49 <cipher> I assume not, so then I jump back to the other link you mentioned about cross compiling and just roll from the vanilla linux with omap support
Oct 26 21:12:00 <cipher> or using an ubuntu kernel, i.e. maverick
Oct 26 21:12:59 <ndec> i don't recall this exactly. i think you can give it a prebuilt  .deb and it would install it, not sure though. otherwise, you can just build your kernel.
Oct 26 21:13:32 <ndec> we wrote this a while ago: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Get_started_with_ubuntu_on_omap4. might be a bit outdated, but that could help you understanding the process of building your rootfs
Oct 26 21:14:37 <ndec> if you plan on using ubuntu rootfs, i recommend you start using the ubuntu kernel. that's the one we test ubuntu on... so it's safer.
Oct 26 21:16:16 <ndec> cipher: i need to go... out of battery and no plug around... we can catch up later if you need.
Oct 26 21:16:30 <cipher> ndec: all right, thanks.
Oct 27 00:52:46 <JakeJBailey> how should i go about removing gnome and installing fluxbox?
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