**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 12 02:59:57 2010 Nov 12 03:31:23 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODc3NA Nov 12 03:31:36 Matches my opinion of ARM stuff. Nov 12 03:50:36 I just built a fresh Ubuntu image using rootstock. It boots up fine, but won't go to the internet. Network settings are as they should be except for the fact the iface shows as usb0 instead of usb1. Nov 12 03:57:58 Does rootstock not install kernel modules into images?? Nov 12 03:58:53 RobotGuy: not by default, you need to request it to install the kernel package you want Nov 12 04:05:00 OK, how do I know what kernel packages are available. I want the latest. Nov 12 04:09:08 RobotGuy: it depends on which machine are you using Nov 12 04:09:19 there's one kernel for omap 3 and another for omap 4, for example Nov 12 04:09:59 BeagleBoard-xM Nov 12 04:10:12 OMAP3 Nov 12 04:11:25 then calling with --seed linux-image-omap should get you the latest omap 3 kernel Nov 12 04:13:36 OK, thanks. I'm rebuilding my image now. Nov 12 04:19:03 Do I need something like kernel-sources to get the sources for the kernel image? Nov 12 04:19:33 Or maybe linux-config-omap ?? Nov 12 04:19:53 generally to build modules you just need the kernel headers Nov 12 04:20:08 but you can also get the sources from the deb package itself Nov 12 04:20:12 I need the entire kernel sources in my case. Nov 12 04:21:08 maybe linux-source-2.6.35 is what you need Nov 12 04:21:09 I need my kernel sources and config to match the kernel that is running. Nov 12 04:21:24 the config is already installed with the linux-image-omap Nov 12 04:21:28 you can find it at /boot Nov 12 04:21:35 OK, good. Nov 12 04:23:37 I think the kernel stuff should be mentioned on the rootstock part of the wiki. Nov 12 04:25:18 RobotGuy: sure, feel free to add it there Nov 12 04:26:02 I'm planning to. :) Nov 12 04:28:15 What do I have to do to gain write access to the wiki? Where do I sign up? Nov 12 04:29:38 RobotGuy: if you already have an account at launchpad all you need to do is to sign up Nov 12 04:29:48 I believe it's on the left-up corner Nov 12 04:30:06 sorry, right-up Nov 12 04:36:05 Seems easy to miss. I found a create account link by clicking login. Nov 12 04:51:24 I'm getting an Internal Server Error when I try to edit a page. Do I need special access to edit? I see the edit link. Nov 12 04:52:21 you should be able to edit it normally Nov 12 04:52:32 probably a bug at the wiki system, or server atm Nov 12 04:52:58 ubuntu Nov 12 04:53:02 argh, wrong terminal Nov 12 06:08:56 Are there any know networking issues with a BeagleBoard-xM?? I can't ping out or access the internet in any way and yet all my networking settings are correct. It sees the network interface as usb0. Nov 12 06:10:42 An unoffical "ubuntu" setup works fine on the network. Nov 12 06:24:02 RobotGuy: there are two network interfaces on xM: usb-ethernet on board, and the host USB thingy (like with mobile phones). Nov 12 06:31:23 Only usb0 is seen as a network device. Nov 12 06:32:00 Which seems odd because another "ubuntu" setup seens usb0 and usb1 but only usb1 works for network. Nov 12 06:32:58 I need the usb-ethernet. Nov 12 06:33:09 WEird... I'd expect usb-ethernet to be eth0. Nov 12 06:33:46 DanaG: That's not what it comes up as on the other setup. It comes up as usb1 Nov 12 06:33:53 WEird. Nov 12 06:34:00 Granted, I haven't used xM first-hand. Nov 12 06:34:03 Perhaps. Nov 12 06:34:08 What's the actual driver behind the usb-ethernet? Nov 12 06:38:29 The only module loaded is usbhid. :( Nov 12 06:38:58 I don't know the actual driver that works for the ethernet on a Beagle-xM. Nov 12 06:39:44 Weird. Maybe compiled-in? Nov 12 06:40:15 Well, it isn't working so I am guessing it isn't compiled in. Nov 12 12:39:03 ndec, is there a call today ? Nov 12 12:48:17 rcn-ee, hey, anything of interested re: micrel? Nov 12 12:48:35 nope, haven't heard back... Nov 12 12:49:19 how's the week testing of bfs gone? any odd things show up? Nov 12 12:49:41 my desktop's still working great Nov 12 12:49:56 haven't been able to do much with it on the beagle though, given the network trouble Nov 12 12:50:06 (chrome is <3 though :p) Nov 12 12:50:57 it is sweet... it's after i ran it on the beagle for the first time i switched everything to it.. Nov 12 12:51:59 I also like how I don't need any extensions to get it running in kiosk mode :) Nov 12 12:52:30 although: css rounded borders kill the scrolling performance on arm, for some reason Nov 12 13:06:31 rcn-ee, too bad about the lack of / searching Nov 12 13:06:41 ctrl-f is such an annoying combination to type for searching Nov 12 13:07:05 yeah it is.. then if the page isn't fully loaded you have to kill the search and redo.. Nov 12 13:07:17 just can't hit enter again.. Nov 12 13:44:48 rcn-ee, got a maybe-working serial link now, going to try to get more info from that zippy + ck2 lockup Nov 12 13:55:01 sysrq-9 is maximum verbosity, or sysrq-1? Nov 12 14:03:46 rcn-ee, nothing shows up when it locks up Nov 12 14:04:50 that's a bummer... did this not occur in a previous version? thinking of bisecting.. Nov 12 14:05:19 good question, let me check Nov 12 14:05:41 (I've been using 2.6.35 for a while) Nov 12 14:05:58 will take a minute, need to restore the old uImage before I can download anything :p Nov 12 14:09:03 installing v2.6.36-dl3 now Nov 12 14:13:43 installed, rebooting Nov 12 14:20:01 rcn-ee, no crash on v2.6.36-dl3 Nov 12 14:25:48 oops, spoke too soon Nov 12 14:26:22 rcn-ee, crash on v2.6.36-dl3 :p Nov 12 14:31:39 * cwillu_at_work pokes rcn-ee_at_work? Nov 12 14:31:52 cwillu, any luck with 2.6.36, just drove to work so don't have the backlog.. ;) Nov 12 14:31:56 :p Nov 12 14:32:16 no. It still locks up Nov 12 14:32:26 I'm testing without network-manager in the loop though Nov 12 14:32:34 and bam :p Nov 12 14:32:37 it's not network-manager :p Nov 12 14:32:40 sweet, i was going to skip 2.6.36, to buggy.. ;) Nov 12 14:32:45 nothing in the logs either Nov 12 14:32:55 I can has a 2.6.35-ck2? :p Nov 12 14:33:01 no idea if it applies :p Nov 12 14:33:26 i tried 2.6.35-ck2 yesterday, it's fails to build some of the crc modules... Nov 12 14:34:02 any chance does 2.6.37-rc1 work any better.. (the dss2 stuff is iffy in that release) but there's lots of omap changes.. Nov 12 14:34:20 I'll try it Nov 12 14:34:23 cool Nov 12 14:34:29 also, there's a ck patchset for 2.6.35 Nov 12 14:35:35 i had tried: 2.6.35-ck1 Nov 12 14:35:42 and it didn't build? Nov 12 14:36:30 nope, it's failing with some of the crc modules.. (doesn't care if it's builtin or external) Nov 12 14:37:02 define failing? :) Nov 12 14:38:01 (fired off a rebuild.. didn't save error message.. ;) ) Nov 12 14:38:24 * cwillu_at_work suspects foul play Nov 12 14:40:13 downloading 2.6.37-rc1-dl0 Nov 12 14:41:44 ogra_ac, have we worked out if the omap3 kernels from linaro are good enough as a drop in replacement for our CDs ? Nov 12 14:42:07 apw, no, we havent yet Nov 12 14:42:22 apw, see my mail that i sent to ubuntu-devel Nov 12 14:43:10 apw, they have to be moved to main in any case and we have neither commitment from the kernel team nor from the security team for the maintenance period Nov 12 14:44:05 ogra_ac, well my take from that thread was that they weren't that interested in doing supported versions, so it is down to distro to handle support if we go that route Nov 12 14:44:10 i cant move them to main if nobody commits to take over the 18months of security and SRUs Nov 12 14:44:30 apw, right, but nobody in distro spoke up yet Nov 12 14:45:22 ogra_ac, yeah its hard for us to commit until the resources settle down Nov 12 14:46:32 apw, right, so i think for A1 we will have to go with omap4 only for now Nov 12 14:46:40 until i can get commitment Nov 12 14:47:36 and hope the things have settled before A2 Nov 12 14:48:04 ogra_ac, ok that sounds sane i guess Nov 12 14:48:54 if there are new arches (which i'm more concerned about than omap3) we will likely have to revisit that anyway Nov 12 14:49:19 and i dont expect them to show up before A1 Nov 12 14:49:21 ogra_ac, yeah thats all noise till we have the go to do them, so i am ignoreing them Nov 12 14:49:37 i try to but its hard ;) Nov 12 14:50:36 rcn-ee_at_work, booted with network attached, which failed every time on the 2.6.36 Nov 12 14:51:32 rcn-ee_at_work, heh, on the other hand, picocom is complaining that /dev/ttyS2 isn't a tty :p Nov 12 14:51:49 oh, nope Nov 12 14:51:51 yeap, it's /dev/ttyO2 Nov 12 14:51:52 just locked up Nov 12 14:52:34 rcn-ee_at_work, I still have entries for ttyS2, is that expected? Nov 12 14:52:41 and why the hell did that change in the first place? :p Nov 12 14:53:13 it's using the 'omap' serial driver now over the generic serial... dma/etc improvements.. Nov 12 14:53:27 new in 2.6.37-rc1, so it'll screw every user up.. ;) Nov 12 14:53:33 and it had to change the name? Nov 12 14:53:56 ... that's gratuitous and borderline abusive Nov 12 14:54:26 Yeah... compatibility nightmare.. but S is for the serial, and O is for omap serial.. ;) Nov 12 14:54:33 I hate you. Nov 12 14:54:46 but anyways, 2.6.37 hangs too :p Nov 12 14:54:54 dang it.. Nov 12 14:55:05 did anything in the old 2.6.34 work? Nov 12 14:55:08 let me try again without the network plugged in just to make sure it's the same'ish problem Nov 12 14:55:14 rcn-ee_at_work, believe so, used it for a while Nov 12 14:55:18 2.6.34 had that memory leak though Nov 12 14:56:19 yeah it did.. but if the other thing works, we will have something bisect with. ;) Nov 12 14:56:37 can't we bisect 2.6.35 -> 2.6.36? Nov 12 14:56:55 i thought 2.6.35 failed too.. it worked? Nov 12 14:57:06 2.6.35 is fine, unless I do stupid mii-tool tricks Nov 12 14:58:01 I've got 10 days uptime under 2.6.35.7-l6 Nov 12 14:58:15 twice in a row too :p Nov 12 14:58:25 ah so a new bug with 2.6.36... Nov 12 14:58:29 yes Nov 12 14:59:00 and that's the one you can't get a backlog with right? Nov 12 15:00:00 when it hangs under 2.6.36 or .37, nothing comes over the serial link when it dies Nov 12 15:00:04 it just hardlocks Nov 12 15:00:35 now, the serial link is coming via rsyslog, so it's possible that a more direct approach would get something, but... Nov 12 15:00:54 2.6.37 seems to have the same hang Nov 12 15:01:23 fires up his test rig.. it'll take a little bit. Nov 12 15:02:44 also, just a reminder in case it's relevant, the ks8851 driver does give some irq warnings Nov 12 15:02:48 under all kernel versions Nov 12 15:03:24 under 2.6.37, when I attach the network cable (but before I run dhclient or network manager to configure it), I get "NOHZ: local_softirq_pending 08" Nov 12 15:04:06 hmm, there's an bug message in 2.6.37's bootup re: ioremap call on system memory Nov 12 15:04:23 yeah the nohz has been around since like 2.6.32.. Nov 12 15:04:38 that's in a call from omapfb though, so I don't think it's related Nov 12 15:04:51 the ioremap has patches for queued for rc2 Nov 12 15:05:16 another one of the reasons i'm planing to skip 2.6.36.. Nov 12 15:05:16 rcn-ee_at_work, I also get Spurious irq 95: 0xffffffdf, please flush posted write for irq 56 Nov 12 15:05:32 this happens when the network interface is finally configured Nov 12 15:06:08 hmm Nov 12 15:06:16 I don't get that in 2.6.36/37 though Nov 12 15:06:24 it seems to crash when it would be showing up Nov 12 15:06:31 * cwillu_at_work doublechecks Nov 12 15:08:11 rcn-ee_at_work, yep, I never see those on kernels that crash Nov 12 15:09:35 ogra_ac: yes, there is a call. i am connected. Nov 12 15:09:52 I get the spurious irq's on .35 moments after I start using the network Nov 12 15:09:59 ndec, i'm a few mins late Nov 12 15:38:09 ogra_ac: pool/main/a/alsa-utils/alsa-utils_1.0.23-2ubuntu3.4_armel.deb Nov 12 15:39:39 gar Nov 12 15:58:18 rcn-ee_at_work, still around? Nov 12 15:58:29 yeap Nov 12 15:58:43 got a stack trace \o/ Nov 12 15:58:52 however, most of it scrolled off the top of the screen :p Nov 12 15:58:55 sweet Nov 12 15:59:24 omap2_mcspi_work shows up 5th line from the bottom Nov 12 15:59:55 let me muck a bit more and see if I can get it to do the same to the serial port Nov 12 16:02:50 ooo, hope Nov 12 16:04:52 rcn-ee_at_work, got it Nov 12 16:04:55 sec while I paste it Nov 12 16:09:08 rcn-ee_at_work, http://pastebin.com/tMZ5Lrfh Nov 12 16:09:24 that looks familiar :p Nov 12 16:12:34 rcn-ee_at_work, for reference, the errors I got with stupid mii-tool tricks: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vdrrr8iL Nov 12 16:13:22 the trace is as identical as can be expected with two different kernel versions Nov 12 16:14:09 kthread -> work_threader [-> process_one_work] -> omap2_mcspi_work -> complete [-> __raw_spin_lock_irqsave] Nov 12 16:14:15 er, worker_thread Nov 12 17:23:39 rcn-ee_at_work, any chance you could spin me a preempt_voluntary kernel? Nov 12 17:25:07 from stable? Nov 12 17:25:11 2.6.35.8? Nov 12 17:25:26 no, 2.6.36 or later Nov 12 17:26:00 with or without ck2, doesn't matter Nov 12 17:26:12 sure.. Nov 12 17:27:53 although, my work network is slower then molasses right now so it might take a bit to upload.. ;) Nov 12 17:28:09 np, heading out for lunch right away anyway Nov 12 19:17:38 (back) Nov 12 22:03:58 how can I build a rootfs for armv7a (beagleboard) without qemu Nov 12 22:04:23 I've been playing with rich nelson's omap-image-builder but run into trouble when trying to do the second-stage stuff Nov 12 22:04:37 rcn-ee, your mistake was letting me see you both leave for work and arrive at work this morning :) Nov 12 22:05:13 what happens is the kernel panics when the qemu-system-arm tries to run the lucid kernel Nov 12 22:05:20 not sure if my qemu version is bad but I can provide it if needed Nov 12 22:05:38 sorry, you're running it in qemu, or no? Nov 12 22:05:45 I'm using rootstock to try and build a rootfs Nov 12 22:05:57 rootstock uses qemu at some point for secondstage of debootstrap, this is my understanding Nov 12 22:06:12 I'm more than happy to perform the second-stage stuff on the real hardware if that's possible, but I don't know enough about what it's doing Nov 12 22:06:19 use the static thingies Nov 12 22:06:20 sec Nov 12 22:06:37 (there's a comment to that effect in the script Nov 12 22:06:44 I noticed it was looking for qemu-arm-static, but I don't have that Nov 12 22:06:48 not sure what that is either Nov 12 22:06:57 my first guess was that it was a statically compiled arm-softmmu Nov 12 22:07:19 it basically allows you to run arm binaries outside of qemu Nov 12 22:07:23 er Nov 12 22:07:38 that, plus bin-fmt-utils or whichever Nov 12 22:08:34 why does this stuff need to happen with qemu anyway, can't it be done on the live hardware? Nov 12 22:08:59 cipher, the real hardware doesn't have much memory, has small slow disks, and a slow single-core processor Nov 12 22:09:27 I can do the whole rootstock process in 13 minutes on my server Nov 12 22:09:30 I understand, but without knowing what the secondstage is I can't make that determination. looking through the debootstrap stuff it seemed it was unpacking some packages or some thing Nov 12 22:09:44 cipher, it's a debian install Nov 12 22:09:52 dpkg Nov 12 22:09:53 I trust that it's done for a reason, just wondered what it is, thanks Nov 12 22:10:33 binfmt-support Nov 12 22:10:38 that's what I was looking for Nov 12 22:10:48 any reference for what I should do Nov 12 22:11:16 install those two Nov 12 22:11:19 try it again Nov 12 22:11:51 and what about qemu-arm-static? Nov 12 22:12:16 that would be the first Nov 12 22:13:15 that's a package? Nov 12 22:13:44 yep Nov 12 22:14:00 if you don't see it, check for qemu-kvm-extras-static Nov 12 22:14:13 This package provides a static version of the QEMU ARM user mode Nov 12 22:14:13 emulation. This is particularly useful in combination with Nov 12 22:14:13 binfmt-support: it permits running ARM binaries in an ARM chroot. Nov 12 22:14:13 so my host system isn't actually ubuntu, I did build my own qemu with --static option. Nov 12 22:14:37 I'm on debian lenny Nov 12 22:15:11 qemu-kvm-extras-static comes from debian afaik Nov 12 22:16:43 hrm, sid I guess Nov 12 22:17:53 wonder if I can just use my own qemu static that I compiled --static? Nov 12 22:22:53 ah, from the way it sounds probably not Nov 12 22:38:02 so I installed the qemu-user-static package (which has qemu-arm-static) and tried again. I got a number of errors related to chown failing Nov 12 22:38:16 /bin/chown: changing ownership of `/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/br0': Operation not permitted for example Nov 12 22:38:33 I did run with sudo Nov 13 00:27:37 Is there a way to get gcc 4.3 instead of 4.4 or 4.5? Nov 13 01:26:55 Is there a way I can tell rootstock to use gcc 4.3 instead of the later compilers? Nov 13 01:27:59 RobotGuy, are building stuff in roostock? otherwise select the 'gcc-4.3' package.. Nov 13 01:28:29 Yes, rootstock. I tried selecting gcc-4.3 but it doesn't seem to work. Nov 13 01:28:46 what do you mean it doesn't work? Nov 13 01:29:28 It still takes gcc 4.5 Nov 13 01:29:45 Or maybe it is 4.4, but not 4.3 Nov 13 01:29:59 when you call "gcc" in your image? gcc-default does that, either call "gcc-4.3" in your build script or change the setting in ubuntu.. Nov 13 01:30:26 I already told you I did that - selected "gcc-4.3" and it doesn't get me gcc 4.3 Nov 13 01:30:58 which distro? Nov 13 01:31:16 Ubuntu built with rootstock. Nov 13 01:31:30 RobotGuy, lucid/maverick? Nov 13 01:31:45 10.10 Maverick Nov 13 01:32:44 it exists.. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/gcc-4.3 package name "gcc-4.3" to your seed or "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.3" will instal it later.. Nov 13 01:33:03 but you 'unverise' enabled in rootstock.. Nov 13 01:33:31 I haven't done anything to rootstock - it is as it was installed. Nov 13 01:35:07 RobotGuy, so you added "gcc-4.3" to the seed and you say it doesn't work.. what doesn't work about it in your mind? Nov 13 01:46:12 I still see it pulling "gcc-4.5-base" Nov 13 01:46:28 RobotGuy, adding a package won't generally remove a package Nov 13 01:46:45 I believe there's an option to remove a package from the seed though Nov 13 01:47:03 (not sure, my rootstock is thoroughly hacked up, and I promised to write up my changes and upstream them some day :p) Nov 13 01:47:14 This is not intuitive at all. Nov 13 01:47:41 it's not really suppost to be.. just a quick way to make a base image... add the extra's later... Nov 13 01:47:43 RobotGuy, adding a package shouldn't remove packages. Nov 13 01:48:11 I want to replace a package. Nov 13 01:48:54 RobotGuy, if you want to replace a desk, how do you go about doing that? Nov 13 01:49:29 There is also apparently a problem with Ubuntu recognizing the ethernet on the Beagle-xM. Nov 13 01:49:34 RobotGuy: Having GCC 4.5 installed doesn't preclude you from building with 4.3 if it's also installed. 4.5 is part of the build-essential metapackage for 10.10 so it's assume to be there for building. Nov 13 01:49:35 unrelated :p Nov 13 01:49:46 cwillu_at_work: I'm not a first grader Nov 13 01:50:25 RobotGuy, pulling in 'gcc-4.5-base' happens.. you want "gcc-4.3" that depends on "libc6" which depends on "libgcc1" which depends on "gcc-4.5-base" ... ;) Nov 13 01:50:37 just a big circle.. Nov 13 01:50:39 RobotGuy, I didn't say that you were, and supplying an analogous example was recognition of intelligence Nov 13 01:51:24 there's that bit, too :) Nov 13 01:52:05 gcc 4.4 and 4.5 just seem to be big problems. Nov 13 01:52:18 what problems are you seeing? Nov 13 01:52:31 Internal compiler errors Nov 13 01:53:08 I suspect you're doing something wrong somewhere; what's your build setup like? Nov 13 01:53:26 I'm just trying to build a kernel. Nov 13 01:53:30 how? Nov 13 01:53:37 native builds? cross compiling? qemu? Nov 13 01:53:39 On beagleboard Nov 13 01:54:49 c4? Nov 13 01:55:05 No, Beagle-xM A2 Nov 13 01:55:24 okay; xm is a different beast from the other beagles Nov 13 01:55:54 and one which I don't own :( Nov 13 01:56:02 * cwillu_at_work accepts donations :p Nov 13 01:56:15 which distro and version? Nov 13 01:56:23 any oddities on how things were installed? Nov 13 01:56:37 hell, is the xm even stable in general? :) Nov 13 01:57:44 Ubuntu 10.10 built from rootstock. Nov 13 01:58:44 the most important thing is 'what' kernel and 'what' clockspeed only angstrom's can handle the full 1Ghz, mine limited to 800mhz otherwise it's unstable.. Nov 13 01:59:14 not even rcn-ee is perfect :) Nov 13 01:59:54 specially with zippy's... i think it esd'd it today, everything but the ks8851 works on it.. Nov 13 02:00:05 It's a 2.6.35 kernel. Nov 13 02:00:14 ubuntu's? Nov 13 02:00:16 RobotGuy, the included patches matter Nov 13 02:00:19 Yes Nov 13 02:01:00 I don't have any idea what patches - it comes with linux-image-omap Nov 13 02:01:02 it should work, never tested itmy self.. can you "dmesg | grep mpurate|core" Nov 13 02:01:24 rcn-ee: I haven't changed the clock rate Nov 13 02:01:56 then it should be the default 500ish.. no idea why your board is iceing in gcc, it shouldn't.. Nov 13 02:02:21 500? Mine says 800 Nov 13 02:02:38 oh great... Nov 13 02:03:05 your running an image with my install script with ubuntu's kernel and pushing 800... no idea if that's stable, nor have tested it.. Nov 13 02:03:25 I didn't change anything. Nov 13 02:03:59 can you pastebin the boot.scr in the fatfs? Nov 13 02:04:33 You're telling me that to use Ubuntu, I have to run at half the speed of my board? Nov 13 02:05:04 rcn-ee, your kernel brings up the network on that, no? Nov 13 02:05:26 I've never been able to get networking to work. Nov 13 02:05:42 RobotGuy, you're not using rcn's kernel Nov 13 02:05:48 it should, it does on all my xM boards.. Nov 13 02:06:09 RobotGuy, rerun rootstock with one of his kernel's (which iirc is how rootstock is intended to be used anyway) Nov 13 02:06:40 RobotGuy, the ubuntu guys didn't get a working xM board till a week before freeze... my timelines are much more relaxed.. 'aka oh crap, lets upload a fix now' Nov 13 02:06:46 You're not listening to me. Nov 13 02:06:52 RobotGuy, no, you're not listening to us. Nov 13 02:07:00 I have not changed anything in rootstock. Nov 13 02:07:04 you're doing things wrong, and expecting it not to matter. Nov 13 02:07:42 How am I doing things wrong? Nov 13 02:08:27 What am I doing wrong? Nov 13 02:08:28 then it should be the default 500ish.. no idea why your board is iceing in gcc, it shouldn't.. Nov 13 02:08:33 because Nov 13 02:08:40 RobotGuy, the ubuntu guys didn't get a working xM board till a week before freeze Nov 13 02:08:42 therefore Nov 13 02:08:52 the most important thing is 'what' kernel and 'what' clockspeed only angstrom's can handle the full 1Ghz, mine limited to 800mhz otherwise it's unstable.. Nov 13 02:09:20 We seem to be going round in circles and I am getting quite dizzy. Nov 13 02:09:24 :) Nov 13 02:09:58 RobotGuy, if you want to use rootstock, and you want to run at 800mhz, then you need to supply rcn's kernel. You can probably do this without remaking the image, although it's a bit finicky Nov 13 02:10:20 If you use rcn's kernel, the network will also Just Work. Nov 13 02:10:50 I keep telling you people that I did not change the clockrate. Nov 13 02:10:52 (incidently, I can has preempt_voluntary kernel now rcn-ee?) :) Nov 13 02:11:06 RobotGuy, and we keep telling you that the ubuntu kernel isn't stable at the default clockrate Nov 13 02:11:22 there are required patches which weren't available when ubuntu's kernel was frozen for release Nov 13 02:11:40 only angstrom's kernel has all the patches (because that's where they get developed for the most part) Nov 13 02:11:53 eventually everybody will have them, but the hardware only came out a couple months ago. Nov 13 02:11:58 RobotGuy, if it's running 800Mhz, more then likely you used my "setup_sdcard.sh" script.. a "cat boot.scr | pastebinit" would prove it.. Nov 13 02:11:59 Obviously, trying to use Ubuntu was not a good idea for me. Bummer. I thought it would be better. Nov 13 02:12:24 it's that boot.scr script that changes it to 800 Nov 13 02:12:31 RobotGuy, don't be that way. Every mainline distro will be weird at this point. Nov 13 02:12:36 er, major Nov 13 02:13:06 You need to substitute one piece, and everything will work fine. Nov 13 02:13:20 What piece? Nov 13 02:13:42 rcn-ee, 2.6.36-dl13? Nov 13 02:13:43 http://rcn-ee.net/deb/maverick/v2.6.36-dl3/ Nov 13 02:14:08 RobotGuy, as it stands, you're mixing and matching pieces which assume you're doing it this way anyway Nov 13 02:14:32 it's an honest mistake, especially common with new hardware Nov 13 02:14:43 but it's not our fault any more than it's your fault. Nov 13 02:14:49 This is not making sense to me. :( Nov 13 02:15:32 RobotGuy, can you run the command rcn-ee gave you please? Nov 13 02:15:38 I need to be able to use the full speed of my Beagle-xM. If Ubuntu can't do that, then I can't use Ubuntu right now. Nov 13 02:15:44 pastebinit boot.scr Nov 13 02:16:27 RobotGuy, 'full' speed is only one option right now and it's angstrom, and it's on TI's 2.6.32 kernel.. The rest of us will have that hopefully in 2.6.37... Nov 13 02:16:31 RobotGuy, so you run a different kernel, which is already packaged at the address I gave you above. Nov 13 02:17:16 Which is it? Ubuntu can or can not run at full speed on a Beagle-xM? Nov 13 02:17:18 none of this has anything to do with networking, nor gcc-4.4/4.5 Nov 13 02:17:36 RobotGuy, ubuntu with rcn's kernel will run at 800mhz right now, and will run at 1ghz in january Nov 13 02:18:13 OK, that answers my question. I'll try Ubuntu again in January or Feb then. Nov 13 02:18:26 We can't hold up development that long. Nov 13 02:18:36 how does this hold up development? Nov 13 02:18:42 i was thinking next week.. ;) but git rebase of dvfs-pm was a huge mess. ;) Nov 13 02:18:50 rcn-ee, I was being conservative :p Nov 13 02:19:02 I told you - we need the full speed of the Beagle-xM now. Nov 13 02:19:14 how could you possibly know that? Nov 13 02:19:25 yeah stable for everyone else.. january.. ;) Nov 13 02:19:54 cwillu_at_work, does btrfs seem to bog down for you in git tree's? Nov 13 02:20:04 The nature of our project requires top speed. Nov 13 02:20:09 rcn-ee, heh, complicated question :p Nov 13 02:20:40 RobotGuy, this is probably a good time to mention that ti's hardware isn't intended for prototyping of actual products, or actual deployment Nov 13 02:20:44 er, the beagle's Nov 13 02:20:54 git checkout's seem to bog when going from Head to a older branch... i think i really need to enable the new 2.6.37 mount opiton.. Nov 13 02:21:04 RobotGuy, optomize more.. ;) Nov 13 02:21:17 I am well aware of that. We are developing, not producing. Nov 13 02:21:38 RobotGuy, if you're developing, then the product speed doesn't matter. multiply your benchmarks by 20% :p Nov 13 02:22:09 Speed does matter, but I am not here to argue. Nov 13 02:22:11 rcn-ee, you mean the git commands themselves? Nov 13 02:22:52 yeah, like a git fetch; git checkout HEAD; git checkout an old branch.. Nov 13 02:23:10 I haven't noticed anything, but Nov 13 02:23:15 might try running a defrag Nov 13 02:23:27 which mount options are you using currently? (or have used in the past, some are sticky) Nov 13 02:23:47 (note that defrag operates on specific folders and files; it's not enough to specify the root) Nov 13 02:23:53 could be, i build a lot of kernels on this machine.. or one of the two enabled but not 'advertised' cores is failing on this fake x4.. Nov 13 02:24:18 just 'btrfs defaults' in /etc/fstab... Nov 13 02:24:45 nochecksum,nocow might help matters, at least for things like builds and so forth Nov 13 02:25:04 you'd have to do a separate btrfs filesystem though, as those currently can't be set separately on subvolumes Nov 13 02:25:22 okay, i'll try that.. Nov 13 02:25:57 bah, he left Nov 13 02:26:03 I was going to mention that pandaboard might be more useful Nov 13 02:26:24 he's been stuck on that issue since like tuesday night... Nov 13 02:26:55 yeah, I'm pretty sure he's been told 3 different build approaches that would give him the end result he wants Nov 13 02:27:05 and he's consistently refused to follow any one of them :p Nov 13 02:27:25 yeap, it's a receipe for disaster.. Nov 13 02:27:57 I feel like I was getting overly crotchety, but... Nov 13 02:28:10 anyways Nov 13 02:28:15 rcn-ee, so, I see you're at home now :) Nov 13 02:29:13 yeah... 8ish to 5ish.. ;) Nov 13 02:29:32 do you know what that means? :) Nov 13 02:29:45 i can never be found... Nov 13 02:30:02 hint: it involves a kernel :) Nov 13 02:31:04 cwillu_at_work, here they are: http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/testing/2.6.36-something/ (forgot what i enabled, but it was that one thing) Nov 13 02:31:25 \o/ Nov 13 02:31:26 thanks Nov 13 02:31:33 preempt_voluntary I believe Nov 13 02:32:45 yeah that.. i knew it was 'something' Nov 13 02:34:41 rcn-ee, without ck? Nov 13 02:34:59 yeah, without ck... Nov 13 02:44:17 Does ubuntu ARM work on StrongARM / PXA27xx processors? Nov 13 02:45:17 enth, not really, that stuff is too old... debian or angstrom is really your only options... Nov 13 02:48:39 \: Ok thanks. Nov 13 02:50:28 download complete Nov 13 02:50:54 yay i get my bandwidth back. ;) Nov 13 02:51:12 I was going to apologize for your untimely responses :) Nov 13 02:51:57 i'm just drinking a beer, waiting for stuff to build.. ;) Nov 13 02:52:58 while you wait: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4068153/1/ Nov 13 02:52:59 :p Nov 13 02:54:12 booting Nov 13 02:54:27 (with the network plugged in, no less!) Nov 13 02:55:51 that was quick Nov 13 02:56:07 quick hard lock? Nov 13 02:56:19 yep Nov 13 02:58:47 and again Nov 13 02:59:11 okay, it's not my full preempt sillyness triggering this then Nov 13 02:59:48 rcn-ee, incidently, you mentioned that ks8851 was troublesome at 1ghz; it isn't troublesome in the same way is it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 13 02:59:57 2010