**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 16 02:59:58 2010 Nov 16 11:29:41 ogra_ac: poke Nov 16 11:32:19 * ogra_ac falls over Nov 16 11:32:23 hey lool Nov 16 11:33:12 ogra_ac: You wanted to merge back my x-loader changes which got dropped last cycle? Nov 16 11:33:25 yep Nov 16 11:33:33 still busy with WI tracker stuff Nov 16 11:33:45 its next on my list together with some leftover merges Nov 16 11:34:07 will you upload a fix for the FTBFS? Nov 16 11:34:07 is it urgent ? Nov 16 11:34:13 yes, that too Nov 16 11:34:24 I'd like to stop thinking about it, there were some build fixes in there Nov 16 11:34:45 right, stop thinking about it and move it to my brain ;) Nov 16 11:34:53 i havent forgotten it Nov 16 11:35:02 Ok Nov 16 14:02:31 lool, rsalveti takes over x-loader (FYI) Nov 16 14:17:52 I've been told that the pandaboard supports 1080p playback, but that xbmc and mythtv do not work with that yet, but "ubuntu does".. could anyone clarify the usefulness of a pandaboard with ubuntu as a media front end? Nov 16 14:18:28 * ogra_ac hasnt tried mythbuntu yet Nov 16 14:18:30 ogra_ac: What does that mean? Nov 16 14:18:40 ogra_ac: Will he do the fishing? Nov 16 14:18:41 it plays full HD videos with totem for me Nov 16 14:19:08 everything that uses gst will be able to do hd videos Nov 16 14:19:09 lool, he takes over bugfixing and re-merging of your packaging changes Nov 16 14:19:34 interesting, i'm thinkinga bout replacing my atom media computers with these Nov 16 14:19:36 pandaboards Nov 16 14:19:53 Sp0tter: for natty we have a spec to propose a supported media center application to be used at arm Nov 16 14:20:06 but anything that uses gst should work fine Nov 16 14:21:36 as long as you have all the TI addon packages ;) Nov 16 14:21:58 which you get by clicking the TI icon on the desktop after install Nov 16 14:22:23 ok so you would both recommend unbutu+pandaboard as a low power media frontend? Nov 16 14:22:51 well, what would you expect us to answer in the #ubuntu-arm channel :D Nov 16 14:23:14 i would expect knowledge and turth Nov 16 14:23:16 truth :) Nov 16 14:23:57 truth is that totem works fine and every other gst based frontend should too Nov 16 14:23:59 Sp0tter: I'm planning to use it as my main media center Nov 16 14:24:05 the wiki says its a known bug that things don't work well if you are playing 1080p on a 1024 monitor, is this still an issue? Nov 16 14:24:26 rsalveti: do you know offhand how many watts it uses idle/load ? Nov 16 14:24:28 easy to work with, small, doesn't consume much power and can decode in full hd without just fine Nov 16 14:24:33 and right, given that we plan to implement a spec for media center on panda in 11.04 plenty of us will use it that way Nov 16 14:24:35 my atom is eating up 32 idle / 39 load Nov 16 14:24:47 oh, panda surely takes less Nov 16 14:25:07 Sp0tter: don't know offhand, but there was a discussion at the pandaboard m-l about how much power it consumes Nov 16 14:25:46 are there any guides for good homemade cases that you know of? Nov 16 14:26:08 Sp0tter: there will be one, called bamboo Nov 16 14:26:14 let me find the link Nov 16 14:26:27 i've seen the wiki for that, looks liek an expansion setup Nov 16 14:26:27 Sp0tter: count 10W for pandaboard Nov 16 14:26:29 it has about the size of a CD cover you should be able to use something that size if you prefer custom made Nov 16 14:26:33 thanks hrw Nov 16 14:26:38 http://elinux.org/Panda_Bamboo Nov 16 14:26:53 * hrw wants Dave to release bamboo... Nov 16 14:26:54 note that TI hasnt added any power management to the kernel yet Nov 16 14:27:05 true Nov 16 14:27:10 the power consumption will drop drastically in 11.04 Nov 16 14:27:17 whats the eta on 11.04 Nov 16 14:27:28 sure, but you can use board with 750mA so with 2A it should fly Nov 16 14:27:29 201104 Nov 16 14:27:31 ;) Nov 16 14:27:40 april that means ;) Nov 16 14:27:40 I use 5V 3.5A psu with panda Nov 16 14:28:06 i wish there were not a 1 month wait right now heh Nov 16 14:28:08 as smaller ones were 1A only Nov 16 14:28:10 a lot can change in 1 month Nov 16 14:28:15 to order a pandaboard i mean Nov 16 14:28:26 indeed Nov 16 14:28:30 Sp0tter: sure, atom N550 will arrive in cheap miniitx boards Nov 16 14:28:46 and will replace d525 maybe Nov 16 14:30:15 my two media computer have Atom 330's in them, they don't support speed stepping Nov 16 14:30:39 terrible... Nov 16 14:31:09 yea they were about $230 each total too, i really wish i had held out for a pandaboard for at least one of them Nov 16 14:32:31 they have a fan i bet Nov 16 14:32:41 they dont have to, but i added one Nov 16 14:32:49 they come passive cooled Nov 16 14:32:54 but it makes me nervous Nov 16 14:32:56 panda wont need any cooling Nov 16 14:33:09 yea lack of noise in the bedroom is a nice feature Nov 16 14:33:14 it doesnt go over 70°C Nov 16 14:33:24 i think the atom was at 70c Nov 16 14:33:31 even under the heaviest laod and without any PM Nov 16 14:33:37 and the fan puts it clsoer to 40c Nov 16 14:33:49 with PM i would expect it to stay aroud 50 Nov 16 14:33:54 or less Nov 16 14:34:31 42c Nov 16 14:34:33 is what i'm at right now Nov 16 14:34:47 * rsalveti lunch Nov 16 14:34:52 with 1 80mm case fan Nov 16 14:39:32 fans... radiators... Nov 16 14:40:02 I have 3x140mm fans in desktop case (one in psu) and nearly 1kg of al/cu on cpu Nov 16 14:40:20 * ogra_ac doesnt have any fans around him anymore Nov 16 14:40:35 thats something i really love about the ac100 Nov 16 14:41:34 I cant work with 10" screen and crappy keyboard Nov 16 14:41:55 I cant work with non-ergonomical keyboard basically Nov 16 14:44:48 i really have a prob to adapt to my normal lappie since i use the ac100 constantly Nov 16 14:44:59 no fans? that is nice Nov 16 14:45:07 my desktop has 6 full size fans Nov 16 14:45:10 120 to 160mm Nov 16 14:45:22 quite loud Nov 16 19:00:15 Looks like the Beagle XM DVI fix was reverted instead of being released. Nov 16 19:00:52 ask the kernel team Nov 16 19:01:02 i think they changed their bug policies Nov 16 19:01:07 Looking at bjf's email. Nov 16 19:01:27 It was reverted for "lack of verification". Nov 16 19:01:45 yes, i get the bugmail too Nov 16 19:02:07 Even though it was tested and verified. Nov 16 19:02:14 right Nov 16 19:02:43 the tag wasnt changed though Nov 16 19:02:52 it was Nov 16 19:03:03 I turned it back because I thought it was tested with linaro's kernel Nov 16 19:03:30 you added verification-needed two days ago Nov 16 19:03:32 don't know if it really got reverted, but we need to ping the kernel team about it Nov 16 19:03:33 whats the beagle xm dvi bug? Nov 16 19:03:38 sigh. Now we get to go through the whole verification process again. Nov 16 19:03:44 ogra_ac: but before that it was already as verification-done Nov 16 19:03:44 hi all i have .c prgram which i compiled using arm tool chain now i like to emulate it on x86 system ,, can anyone tell how to emulate arm executable on x86 Nov 16 19:03:51 663642? Nov 16 19:04:01 Neko: It fixes the A3 change that requires a gpio for dvi to work. Nov 16 19:04:04 and 2 days ago it was already in the limit, that was nov 11 Nov 16 19:04:16 oh so just a change here.. ok Nov 16 19:04:18 aksh: qemu Nov 16 19:04:36 rsalveti: It was tested on Nov 8. Nov 16 19:04:44 GrueMaster: on time Nov 16 19:04:44 GrueMaster, i have installed qemu but dont know exactly how to Nov 16 19:04:48 i am newto arm Nov 16 19:05:00 so I don't know why it was automatically reverted Nov 16 19:05:43 UGHHH Nov 16 19:05:55 how about we go over to #ubuntu-kernel and talk to brad instead ? Nov 16 19:05:56 is it so hard for the damn beagleboard guys to ship a PDF with an index Nov 16 19:07:33 anyone know what dvi transmitter they use on XM? Nov 16 19:08:06 look into the TRM (and ask on #beagle for the url, i dont have it) Nov 16 19:09:51 I have the TRM Nov 16 19:10:00 but searching through the damn thing for real page numbers .. bah Nov 16 19:10:13 okay I got it, TFP410 Nov 16 19:11:54 I'm wondering if there is a decent LVDS to HDMI bridge around somewhere Nov 16 19:16:45 I'm guessing that's kinda painful as most LVDS display buses only go up to 112MHz :( Nov 16 19:17:28 sigh sigh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 17 02:59:57 2010