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Dec 03 03:35:38 <GrueMaster> It depends on what image you used and what rev board you have.
Dec 03 03:35:46 <GrueMaster> surferdude: ^^^
Dec 03 04:13:16 <Sp0tter> are there any ebook readers taht run ubuntu?
Dec 03 04:13:23 <Sp0tter> (v-ink displays, not tft)
Dec 03 08:35:51 <hrw> morning
Dec 03 08:37:36 <dex`> g.m.
Dec 03 10:03:44 <ranjith> hi all
Dec 03 10:14:11 <ranjith> is there only ubuntu netbook for omap4 blaze ..?
Dec 03 10:14:29 <ranjith> or is there any noraml ubuntu image avalable for omap4 blaze .?
Dec 03 10:16:48 <rsalveti> ranjith: you mean the default ui?
Dec 03 10:16:57 <ranjith> yes
Dec 03 10:16:58 <rsalveti> you can install whatever ui you want later on
Dec 03 10:17:12 <rsalveti> the netbook efl is just the default
Dec 03 10:17:49 <ranjith> ok. so that means only the netbook binaries are available for omap4 blaze..
Dec 03 10:17:59 <rsalveti> yes
Dec 03 10:18:05 <ranjith> but this is not that much different form default one..
Dec 03 10:18:09 <rsalveti> it's the only image we're producing for arm
Dec 03 10:18:47 <ranjith> so first i have to get the netbook prebuilt image running and then unstall the default ui if required..
Dec 03 10:19:25 <rsalveti> yes
Dec 03 10:19:26 <ranjith> one more doubt.. is there any reason that there is not arm ubuntu with the default ui ..?
Dec 03 10:20:13 <ranjith> because I want to develope some applications that is intended to run in ubuntu running in omap4 blaze ..
Dec 03 14:15:35 <ndec> ogra: rsalveti: hi! have you tried already a USB headset on panda?
Dec 03 14:15:52 <rsalveti> hm, not yet, but can easily try
Dec 03 14:16:04 <rsalveti> let's see
Dec 03 14:16:09 <ogra_ac> nope, but it should just work
Dec 03 14:16:12 <ndec> ogra: rsalveti: it does not work for me. I can see the the USB driver detects the USB peripheral, and the model (logitech), but PA does not see it.
Dec 03 14:16:33 <ogra_ac> weird
Dec 03 14:16:47 <ndec> if i compare when I plug the same headset in my laptop I have one extra debug mess in dmesg: usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
Dec 03 14:16:56 <ndec> perhaps something broken in the kernel config
Dec 03 14:17:00 <ogra_ac> hmm
Dec 03 14:17:03 * ogra_ac checks
Dec 03 14:17:09 <ndec> bug USB_AUDIO and SND_USB_AUDIO are set
Dec 03 14:17:16 <ogra_ac> ah, crap, my panda isnt booted
Dec 03 14:17:32 <ndec> ogra: that can be fixed easily ;-)
Dec 03 14:17:45 <ogra_ac> no, i have to go to my office for that ;)
Dec 03 14:18:25 <ndec> damn it!
Dec 03 14:18:26 <rsalveti> currently I'm on natty, and my logitech usb headset worked fine
Dec 03 14:19:12 <rsalveti> let my try on maverick
Dec 03 14:19:45 <ogra_ac> hatty hs definitely all the fixes, probably ndec misses one on maverick
Dec 03 14:20:40 <rsalveti> just booting maverick
Dec 03 14:23:21 <ndec> rsalveti: ogra: well it looks like my panda does not my usb webcam too... crashed the board
Dec 03 14:24:29 <ogra_ac> ouch
Dec 03 14:24:39 <ogra_ac> that sounds like some more low level problem
Dec 03 14:25:07 <rsalveti> ndec: also worked fine
Dec 03 14:25:14 <rsalveti> same way as natty
Dec 03 14:25:33 <ndec> rsalveti: for sound or cam?
Dec 03 14:25:41 * rsalveti currently listening absolute classic rock radio on rhythmbox
Dec 03 14:25:48 <ndec> over wlan?
Dec 03 14:25:51 <rsalveti> ndec: sorry, sound
Dec 03 14:26:09 <rsalveti> nops, ethernet, but should be fine over wlan
Dec 03 14:28:33 <rsalveti> ndec: are you using the default ubuntu kernel for panda?
Dec 03 14:28:37 <ndec> rsalveti: ogra: ok. so ASOC detects it. i can see the headset in /proc/asound. so it's something with PA config ;-) since I am using a custom config, that might be the problem...
Dec 03 14:28:53 <rsalveti> probably
Dec 03 14:28:54 <ndec> rsalveti: no, i am using a more recent kernel with power management ;-)
Dec 03 14:28:58 <ogra_ac> aha
Dec 03 14:29:03 <ogra_ac> you didnt say that ;)
Dec 03 14:29:11 <rsalveti> ndec: cool, is it working fine already?
Dec 03 14:29:19 <ogra_ac> changed pulse config will very likely break it
Dec 03 14:29:27 <ndec> not too bad.
Dec 03 14:29:42 <ndec> you should be able to build from sebjan tree, btw.
Dec 03 14:29:53 <ndec> or better, we should push a package in the PPA
Dec 03 14:30:07 <rsalveti> true, just need to fine time to do some testing
Dec 03 14:30:12 <rsalveti> *find
Dec 03 14:30:25 <rsalveti> we should also ask cooloney to help testing this tree
Dec 03 14:30:59 <ogra_ac> ndec, cooloney should just shove it into natty
Dec 03 14:31:14 <ogra_ac> so we get wider user testing
Dec 03 14:31:19 <rsalveti> at least for now it should be fine if we get into natty
Dec 03 14:31:32 <ndec> sebjan: ^^^ any thoughts?
Dec 03 14:31:37 <rsalveti> later on when we fully tested it we can port it to maverick
Dec 03 14:31:44 <ndec> it's .35 based, still.
Dec 03 14:32:05 <ndec> but you might be right... let's discuss in the call !
Dec 03 14:32:14 <ndec> it will break the ducati stuff.
Dec 03 14:33:08 <ogra_ac> oh, that will make robclark cry
Dec 03 14:33:18 * rsalveti runs to get some food before the call
Dec 03 14:33:31 <ogra_ac> oh, good idea
Dec 03 14:33:52 <ndec> ogra_ac: this is a 4PM call for you ;-) no need for food...
Dec 03 14:34:12 <ogra_ac> ndec, i have a 2h release meeting right after it
Dec 03 14:34:22 <ndec> ogra: ;-)
Dec 03 14:34:38 <ogra_ac> (and then vacation til end of the year) ;)
Dec 03 14:52:02 <janimo> ogra, rsalveti is there another call shortly?
Dec 03 14:52:56 <Sp0tter> are there any ereaders with the e-ink displays taht work with ubuntu
Dec 03 15:02:29 <armin76> Sp0tter: doubt there any armv7 ebooks
Dec 03 15:02:41 <Sp0tter> drats
Dec 03 15:02:44 <Sp0tter> i just bought a kindle3
Dec 03 15:02:51 <Sp0tter> was hoping to do more with it than just read books :(
Dec 03 15:02:53 <ogra_ac> armin76, there are
Dec 03 15:02:56 <Sp0tter> really just wanted an ssh client
Dec 03 15:03:09 <armin76> ogra_ac: examples?
Dec 03 15:03:16 <ogra_ac> the nook is v7 based afaik
Dec 03 15:04:16 <armin76> Sp0tter: you don't need ubuntu to have an ssh client...debian could do, for example
Dec 03 15:04:41 <Sp0tter> yea taht would work fine too
Dec 03 15:04:49 <Sp0tter> i don thave an ubuntu preference over debian
Dec 03 15:05:11 <Sp0tter> i just figured thisis a good place to ask about linux on devices
Dec 03 15:05:52 <armin76> ogra_ac: nookdevs.com/teardown says armv6
Dec 03 15:06:11 <ogra_ac> the new one with the color display is supposed to be omap based
Dec 03 15:06:12 <Sp0tter> seems to be more interest in the nook than kindle
Dec 03 15:06:15 <Sp0tter> for third party devs
Dec 03 15:06:18 <Sp0tter> why is that
Dec 03 15:06:39 * ogra_ac wonders why anyone would do anything beyond reading with an ebook reader
Dec 03 15:06:54 <Sp0tter> why not?
Dec 03 15:06:55 <ogra_ac> for arm development there are cheaper or more powerful systems
Dec 03 15:07:13 <Sp0tter> people also hack ebooks to add more fonts and languages
Dec 03 15:07:25 <Sp0tter> but if you are going to take your book somewhere, why not take IRC also
Dec 03 15:07:52 <ogra_ac> because i usually have my ac100 in my bag anyway ;)
Dec 03 15:08:00 <Sp0tter> you said people
Dec 03 15:08:01 <Sp0tter> not you
Dec 03 15:08:05 <Sp0tter> heh
Dec 03 15:08:23 <robclark> ndec / ogra_ac: libdce (and therefore gst-ducati) already works with L24.11 kernel...  if the issue you were worried about breaking ducati was related to kernel migration..
Dec 03 15:08:27 <ogra_ac> you said you above ;)
Dec 03 15:08:40 <armin76> ogra_ac: right, the nook color is omap3621
Dec 03 15:09:48 <ndec> robclark: if you are authorized to release ducati firmware for L24.11 then I should be too ;-)
Dec 03 15:10:14 <Sp0tter> ogra_ac: what do you liek about th eAC100 over  a regualr asus EEE netbook
Dec 03 15:10:24 <robclark> ndec: you don't need to change the codecs.. the only parts I had to update for L24.9->L24.11 was libdce which is already opensrc ;-)
Dec 03 15:10:39 <ogra_ac> Sp0tter, its arm and i can do my development work on it
Dec 03 15:10:46 <hrw> Sp0tter: size?
Dec 03 15:10:53 <ogra_ac> Sp0tter, beyond that you need to physically compare them
Dec 03 15:10:54 <robclark> ndec: and btw, it already has some error recovery/cleanup that the official fw doesn't have ;-)
Dec 03 15:11:08 <ogra_ac> ac100 is a quater of the weight and has no moving parts inside
Dec 03 15:11:10 <Sp0tter> hrw: are you asking me?
Dec 03 15:11:16 <hrw> Sp0tter: ac100 (or efikasb) are ~half of atom netbooks
Dec 03 15:11:20 <ogra_ac> its as thin as a folder
Dec 03 15:11:44 <ndec> robclark: well, that's because you don't use OMX!
Dec 03 15:12:00 <robclark> it does simplify some things, doesn't it ;-)
Dec 03 15:12:12 <ndec> robclark: definitely.
Dec 03 15:15:15 <Sp0tter> i wodner if its really worth it to get a closed-device like a Kindle to have the e-ink over a regualr screen
Dec 03 15:15:26 <Sp0tter> was only $140
Dec 03 15:17:11 <hrw> you can always sell it or give as a gift to someone
Dec 03 15:17:21 <Sp0tter> thats true
Dec 03 15:17:31 <Sp0tter> i think i can return it to amazon in 30 days with no restocking fee also
Dec 03 15:17:36 <Sp0tter> supposed to get here on monday
Dec 03 15:17:43 <Sp0tter> but i've been getting more skeptical since i ordered it heh
Dec 03 15:17:45 <hrw> or you will start to use it
Dec 03 15:18:01 <Sp0tter> yea i may love it, i just hate to know it could also use irc
Dec 03 15:18:07 <Sp0tter> but it can
Dec 03 15:18:09 <Sp0tter> cant
Dec 03 15:18:18 <hrw> Sp0tter: eink has slow refresh
Dec 03 15:18:44 <hrw> Sp0tter: it you want something for irc and such size then nook color (or other android tablet) would be better
Dec 03 15:19:02 <Sp0tter> i want ebook reader first
Dec 03 15:19:05 <Sp0tter> then other features second
Dec 03 15:19:09 <Sp0tter> i have a good netbook arleady
Dec 03 15:20:10 <hrw> netbooks... I have efikasb here and it is good only for light use. even with 2GHz dualcore x86-64 I would prefer to not use this size of device as main one
Dec 03 15:20:41 <Sp0tter> my main computer is a 4gh 6 core athlon
Dec 03 15:20:44 <Sp0tter> :)
Dec 03 15:21:42 <hrw> I am waiting for buldozer cpus
Dec 03 15:22:54 <Sp0tter> what's the best android tablet out?
Dec 03 15:23:02 <hrw> no idea
Dec 03 15:23:27 <ogra_ac> ndec, bug 664431
Dec 03 15:23:29 <Sp0tter> why is that AC100 so expensive?
Dec 03 15:23:29 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664431 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "QT on armel is built with NEON by default (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 44)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664431
Dec 03 15:23:38 <Sp0tter> it hoguht the arm based laptops were looking to be cheap
Dec 03 15:29:32 <Sp0tter> the kindle3 is $140 + free shipping on aazon, and its going on ebay for $180 shipped
Dec 03 15:29:40 <Sp0tter> ebay is retarded.
Dec 03 15:53:48 <ogra_ac> ndec, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1/
Dec 03 15:54:25 <rsalveti> cool, can see the link already :-)
Dec 03 15:54:38 <rsalveti> there we go, alpha-1 image for panda
Dec 03 15:54:43 <rsalveti> ogra_ac: change the topic :-)
Dec 03 15:54:44 <ogra_ac> yeah
Dec 03 15:55:14 <ogra_ac> :)
Dec 03 15:56:33 <rsalveti> ogra_ac: typo: aplha/alpha
Dec 03 15:56:44 <ogra_ac> oops
Dec 03 15:56:56 <ogra_ac> sorry for the noise
Dec 03 15:56:59 <rsalveti> now it's fine :-)
Dec 03 16:05:14 <ogra_ac> bug 663642
Dec 03 16:05:17 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663642 in linux-linaro (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "DVI doesn't work at BeagleBoard xM rev A3 (affects: 1) (heat: 97)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663642
Dec 03 16:05:27 <ogra_ac> bug 673509
Dec 03 16:05:29 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673509 in linux (Ubuntu) "Beagleboard-xm chooses a new IP address on each boot (affects: 1) (heat: 176)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673509
Dec 03 16:05:56 <ogra_ac> bug 673504
Dec 03 16:05:57 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673504 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Pandaboard chooses a new IP address on each boot (affects: 2) (heat: 192)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673504
Dec 03 16:06:32 <ogra_ac> rsalveti, GrueMaster, arent the latter two "fix released" ?
Dec 03 16:06:59 <rsalveti> probably, let me check
Dec 03 16:07:12 <GrueMaster> I think they were in the .19 release kernel which is still in proposed.
Dec 03 16:09:39 <ogra_ac> ok
Dec 03 16:10:33 <rsalveti> ogra: the first one, for beagle is not yet released
Dec 03 16:11:46 <ogra_ac> yeah, fine then
Dec 03 16:11:52 <rsalveti> ogra: for panda is already on proposed, but not at updates yet
Dec 03 16:11:59 <ogra_ac> ok
Dec 03 16:15:04 <rsalveti> ogra_ac: just to know, were you able to do some work on the alsa-utils update bug?
Dec 03 16:15:18 <rsalveti> that got into main accidentally
Dec 03 16:15:23 <ogra_ac> rsalveti, nope, not yet
Dec 03 16:15:38 <rsalveti> ok, np, just to know
Dec 03 16:15:48 <ogra_ac> thats why its still on the release report
Dec 03 16:16:02 <ogra_ac> (else i would have moved it from SRU to released)
Dec 03 16:16:28 <rsalveti> yeah, that's why I wanted to check with you
Dec 03 16:16:34 <rsalveti> ok
Dec 03 17:43:37 <LetoThe2nd> xdeb as mentioned in the topic breaks in the command "xdeb -aarmel --only-explicit --apt-source linux-linaro
Dec 03 17:44:20 <ogra_ac> LetoThe2nd, -> hrw
Dec 03 17:46:14 <LetoThe2nd> hrw: log/messages: http://pastebin.com/Vr9iUt8x
Dec 03 18:15:36 <Neko> anyone know how when you get a disk check happening it updates plymouth with a multi-line, progress counter display rather than just the lame plymouth --message stuff I've been using?
Dec 03 18:16:02 <Neko> is there a script somewhere in udev or initramfs-tools or something that does this?
Dec 03 18:30:11 <hrw> LetoThe2nd: known, fixed in newer versions iirc
Dec 03 18:30:26 <hrw> versions of linux-linaro
Dec 03 18:32:59 <LetoThe2nd> hrw: ok.. but the same or at least similar errors also occur if i just want to build some relatively simple thing, like screen for example.
Dec 03 18:58:54 <LetoThe2nd> hrw: like here, when trying bash.
Dec 03 20:42:32 <Neko> asking again anyone know how plymouth is sent the messages from disk checks and so on, with updating percentage and multiple lines of text?
Dec 03 20:54:10 <Neko> ohhhh I found it.. it's mountall
Dec 03 22:52:39 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: There?
Dec 03 22:58:14 <GrueMaster> It would appear that today's image does not have full networking capability.  Unfortunately, I am working with limited testing capabilities while in downtown Portland with the PDX team.
Dec 03 22:58:35 <GrueMaster> Had originally planned to work on my blueprint today.  Sigh.
Dec 03 23:07:43 <tmzt> got my chroot init program mostly working
Dec 03 23:08:41 <tmzt> might be useful for testing with Xephyr I don't know quite yet
Dec 03 23:08:54 <tmzt> it doesn't ptrace so it should work with qemu-arm
Dec 03 23:08:57 <dcordes> tmzt: hi! sounds good
Dec 03 23:09:23 <dcordes> congrats
Dec 03 23:09:23 <tmzt> dcordes: oh, and I had to build a new image, did the same instructions and launcher and panel work together perfectly
Dec 03 23:09:41 <dcordes> :)
Dec 03 23:09:45 <tmzt> yeah, now if it would just launch from the android app like it's supposed to
Dec 03 23:10:12 <dcordes> any new hacks we should document in htc linux wiki or in smartphone lp project ?
Dec 03 23:10:23 <tmzt> no, didn't need any
Dec 03 23:10:32 <dcordes> oh somebody added instructions on how to use adb in ubuntu !
Dec 03 23:10:35 <tmzt> I have script that mostly converts an ubuntu-minimal though
Dec 03 23:10:38 <tmzt> nice
Dec 03 23:10:45 <tmzt> with usb_composite that should work well
Dec 03 23:10:48 <dcordes> http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ubuntu/Leo#ADB
Dec 03 23:10:54 <tmzt> adb+ether been waiting since g1 for that
Dec 03 23:11:00 <dcordes> could you publish the script ?
Dec 03 23:11:07 <tmzt> soon
Dec 03 23:11:12 <dcordes> that will be nice
Dec 03 23:11:16 <tmzt> have to tweak it a little bit
Dec 03 23:11:33 <dcordes> I tried to rootstock ubuntu-desktop recently and failed
Dec 03 23:11:46 <dcordes> did you use rootstock for the ubuntu-minimal ?
Dec 03 23:40:58 <tmzt> yes
Dec 03 23:41:06 <tmzt> just something -s ubuntu-minimal
Dec 03 23:41:32 <tmzt> dcordes: I have a vps to put a rootstock builder on, somebody just wrote some download code for us for the downloader
Dec 04 00:15:15 <dcordes> tmzt: could you try making an ubuntu-desktop image with that ?
Dec 04 00:15:50 <dcordes> I am not sure when was the last time I succeeded with that using rootstock - which is why I switched to using the omap4 preinstalled images.
Dec 04 00:15:52 <tmzt> might be a little big but it should work, did you get my pm?
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