**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 02:59:56 2011 Feb 07 04:38:16 this message ic comming from ubuntu installed on my EVO Feb 07 04:57:53 tsk tsk, irc'ing as root! Feb 07 08:41:17 Hi. Regarding the alsa profile issue this weekend: Our kernel developer sais that the extra alsa driver text fields are ubuntu specific. Is that correct? Feb 07 08:53:32 Are there any rules/practices regarding numbering of udev rules? I need to insert a rule for mounting a USB memory device, and I'm trying to figure its number Feb 07 14:09:04 rsalveti, your new phone you got in dallas, was that a galaxy 9000 ? Feb 07 14:09:14 ogra: nexus s Feb 07 14:09:24 ah, k Feb 07 14:14:09 which is nearly same ;D Feb 07 14:14:12 hw wise Feb 07 14:14:17 * hrw has nexus s Feb 07 14:19:00 right, i thought so Feb 07 14:19:24 (my provider wants me to pick a new phone for free .... its that time of the year again :) ) Feb 07 14:26:51 optimus perhaps ? Feb 07 14:27:30 optimus ? Feb 07 14:28:43 http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/15/lg-optimus-2x-first-dual-core-smartphone-launches-with-android/ Feb 07 14:29:01 ah Feb 07 14:30:26 to late, i just picked the samsung Feb 07 14:35:40 * rsalveti lunch Feb 07 14:51:50 ogra: galaxys? Feb 07 14:57:54 hrw, yep Feb 07 15:00:04 I wonder when TI will start making pandas bootable directly from usb... Feb 07 15:00:19 I am going to be sdless... Feb 07 15:00:50 my last card - 8GB microsd Feb 07 15:03:12 buy new ones ... and expense them Feb 07 15:03:57 will have to Feb 07 15:12:59 uf. this card works Feb 07 15:28:23 I bought a Pogoplug and installed Arch Linux from the PlugApps web site. Is this the best option for this ARM box? I run Ubuntu at home and at work, but it appears that the latest Ubuntu does not support PogoPlug aka SheevaPlug. Feb 07 15:31:01 reb`: pogoplug is the marvell kirkwood platform, right? Feb 07 15:31:46 Something like that ... first generation Marvell architecture ... same as original SheevaPlug. Feb 07 15:32:12 reb`: then it's supported until ubuntu 9.04, ut not longer. Feb 07 15:33:33 Are there any independent sources for more recent Ubuntu releases compiled for that platform? Feb 07 15:33:48 none that i knew. Feb 07 15:34:28 I'm not unhappy about Arch Linux, it's just that package management is different, system init files are different, etc. Feb 07 15:38:01 LetoThe2nd: Thanks! Feb 07 15:40:51 reb`: use Debian or Arch Feb 07 15:46:49 hrw: I believe you can already boot over usb Feb 07 15:47:03 I remember having someone discussing this at the pandaboard m-l Feb 07 15:47:13 rsalveti: without sdcard at all? Feb 07 15:47:14 usb = micro usb Feb 07 15:47:48 rsalveti: there are about a half dozen utils for usb booting Feb 07 15:48:01 afaik, yes Feb 07 15:48:01 rsalveti: including a new usbboot tool and nishant's u-boot utils Feb 07 15:48:13 yup, that's it Feb 07 15:48:26 thanks :-) Feb 07 15:48:29 hrw: have fun Feb 07 15:52:30 prpplague: but how does it work? omap4rom will read xloader from ehci->thumbdrive or expect tool talking to it by usbdevice port? Feb 07 15:53:02 hrw: rom code inits the OTG as a host port, then sends a specific enumeration id Feb 07 15:53:18 hrw: the client software on the host pc reads that and begins an upload of code Feb 07 15:53:33 like what we had for omap3 Feb 07 15:53:34 hrw: once the code upload is complete, the rom code jumps to the start address of the code Feb 07 15:53:41 rsalveti: exactly like omap3 Feb 07 15:54:07 so no use for me. I expect panda to not depend on other devices for boot Feb 07 16:03:52 hrw: what is your use case? Feb 07 16:06:45 prpplague: during last week I throw 3 sd cards into trashcan. wondering about other ways to boot panda Feb 07 16:07:10 hrw: ?? what were wrong with the cards? Feb 07 16:07:36 hrw: why wouldn't the usboot stuff work for you? Feb 07 16:07:38 prpplague: random filesystem failures all over the card Feb 07 16:08:00 prpplague: or cards which magically changed their capacity from 4GB to 0 Feb 07 16:08:13 prpplague: panda is far from other machines Feb 07 16:08:27 hrw: Is Debian closer to Ubuntu as far as package management and other system stuff is concerned? Feb 07 16:08:41 reb`: no. its reverse direction Feb 07 16:08:50 reb`: Ubuntu is derivative of Debian Feb 07 16:08:55 ok Feb 07 16:09:21 So there's a full Debian distribution for ARM Kirkwood? Feb 07 16:09:25 yes Feb 07 16:09:49 reb`: you can officially install debian on (some set of) kirkwood based devices Feb 07 16:11:52 hrw: interesting, this is the first report i have had of that Feb 07 16:12:51 hrw: well, what i would do is find a small sd card, and place just x-load and u-boot on the boot partition Feb 07 16:13:20 hrw: then use either network booting for kernel and root, or use a usb thumb drive Feb 07 16:14:16 Great! I've had a few problems with Arch Linux / PlugApps -- missing dependency after installing a package, inability to find needed linux-api-headers package, etc. Feb 07 16:14:45 It's probably my inexperience ... I'd be more comfortable with Debian/Ubuntu. Feb 07 16:14:57 hrw: thanks! Feb 07 16:15:38 hrw: you could program up an avr or msp to boot the panda Feb 07 16:15:42 * prpplague has done that before Feb 07 16:17:12 prpplague: normally I have xload/uboot/kernel/initrd on sd + rootfs on usbhdd. but it is hard to test linaro images that way ;d Feb 07 16:17:34 hrw: ahh Feb 07 16:17:59 hrw: wish you had saved the sd cards, i would have liked to do a post mortem on the cards Feb 07 16:18:03 Angstrom 2010.7-test-20101105 omap4430-panda ttyO2 Feb 07 16:18:17 prpplague: send me your address? Feb 07 16:24:35 ok, kernel compilation under angstrom started. under ubuntu it was enough to get buserror/segfault with mem=1G Feb 07 16:32:46 hrw: you don't have these crashes with angstrom? Feb 07 16:34:14 sebjan: during fosdem I was told that it was not reproduced there Feb 07 16:36:35 hrw: hum, ok. If you have some feedback on this issue, here is where we track it: bug 633227 Feb 07 16:36:36 Launchpad bug 633227 in linux-ti-omap4 "instabilities with highmem activated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633227 Feb 07 16:37:01 hrw: and avr boot dongle would be cute for the panda Feb 07 16:37:46 sebjan: I know about that bug Feb 07 16:39:38 drivers/media/IR/ir-functions.c:111: internal compiler error: in attach_dep_link, at sched-deps.c:227 Feb 07 16:39:41 Please submit a full bug report, Feb 07 16:39:43 ha! Feb 07 16:40:13 :-) Feb 07 16:40:29 just dont compile through infrared :P Feb 07 16:41:02 make -j44 is nice stress test Feb 07 16:41:35 hrw: fyi i also reproduce them with gentoo Feb 07 16:42:11 hrw: ah, nice, you reproduced it :D Feb 07 16:42:44 thing is all the ppl that have said they don't get such failures turns out they don't compile native :/ Feb 07 18:04:41 How long will pastes in ubuntu pastebin linger around? Feb 07 22:13:46 rsalveti: have you had a chance to look into xbmc? Feb 07 22:14:14 i'm getting ready to overhaul our packaging, would be great to have some guru help :) Feb 07 22:14:24 TheUni: not yet, last week was busy with alpha-2, planning to put my hand on it this week Feb 07 22:14:32 ok Feb 07 22:14:36 TheUni: sure, probably will start working on this bp tomorrow Feb 07 22:14:57 bp? Feb 07 22:15:05 blueprint Feb 07 22:15:30 ah, roger. bp means backport for me lately :) Feb 07 22:16:07 haha, true Feb 07 22:17:27 rsalveti: one of the big issues will be bundling ffmpeg Feb 07 22:17:40 TheUni: hm, ok Feb 07 22:17:45 we bundle many libs, which we've been working on moving out. but we're tied pretty closely with ffmpeg Feb 07 22:18:13 though as we discussed, we're open to adding gstreamer support Feb 07 22:18:58 yeah, that would help us a lot Feb 08 02:47:51 anyone help with a chroot problem **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 08 02:59:57 2011