**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 09 02:59:57 2011 Feb 09 05:24:24 Hello everyone Feb 09 05:26:19 I am trying to create Ubuntu rootfs for Samsung s3c6410 based board. Feb 09 05:27:33 How to specify the kernel to be used? --seed linux-image-??? Feb 09 08:31:30 Hi, maybe some of you remembering me from yesterday. I can't get my Webcam working on an Gumstix Overo (omap3503). Unfurtunately I have to give the gumstix away, what they tell me just today. Feb 09 08:33:01 So I hope there is anybody who can help me a little bit. Feb 09 08:33:23 The conclusion of yesterday was, that I have to build my one kernel Feb 09 08:34:56 because everytime I try to install, for example "qc-usb-source"-driver, it end in failure due to the kernel, he cant find the one which is neccessarry Feb 09 08:36:08 but on the gumstix webpage I searched and found a kernel which fits from the kernel-number, but the error apeared further. Feb 09 08:38:37 probably you don't have the kernels headers installed. Feb 09 08:42:39 for understandment: you don't compile against a running binary kernel, but against its api. the api is in the headers. no headers - no compiling against the kernel. Feb 09 08:49:29 i installed kernel, maybe the wrong one, let me take a look Feb 09 08:51:36 i installed kernel-headers, maybe the wrong one, let me take a look Feb 09 08:59:45 Tims_: hint for getting your thoughts going: you install a gumstix-specific kernel. you sound like you have installed the kernel-headers from the repo. how should the repo contain the headers fitting for your vendor kernel? Feb 09 08:59:50 It is installed linux-headers-2.6.32-21 and 2.6.32-28 Feb 09 09:00:20 Tims_: ok, and that should be enough to make you think. remember the kernel version number you told us yesterday? Feb 09 09:00:30 are they fitting? Feb 09 09:00:49 no, but I cant remove it Feb 09 09:01:51 thats not the point. point is, you need the headers fitting your running kernel. and thats where we come back to.... you already know it? wanna guess? right, documentation! :D Feb 09 09:01:59 the kernel which i get with uname and which i find in the debs are fittig, so maybe so only thing is to remove de wrong one Feb 09 09:03:31 yesterday you told us, you're running some whacked 2.6.34 or .35-overo. and thats certainly not fitting to 2.6.32-21/-28. right? Feb 09 09:05:19 yesterday! do you think I turning my thumbs here? Feb 09 09:05:26 honest answer? Feb 09 09:05:56 and as of today you have not provided new information, i only can think yesterday infos are still uptodate. Feb 09 09:06:18 9:35 Feb 09 09:07:32 Tims_: "i installed kernel"... sorry, no information given which one. Feb 09 09:08:52 i said the one how fits, i thought the number is irrelevant if the fit Feb 09 09:11:52 persia: ping Feb 09 09:12:57 Tims_: honestly, i doubt your judgement on "fitting". :-) Feb 09 09:13:42 Tims_: for a beginning you might name the _exact_ version of the running kernel, where it's from and how you have installed it. Feb 09 09:16:30 uname -a : Linux gumstix 2.6.32 #1 Thu Mar 18 22:40:54 PDT 2010 amv7l GNU/Linux Feb 09 09:17:31 i get it from here: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/overo/ Feb 09 09:17:55 Tims_: i see neither a -21 nor a -28. so: guessing time again... fitting or not fitting? Feb 09 09:18:45 i don't know where or how I can find/see the last number Feb 09 09:19:14 Tims_: if it's not there, it's not there. in the case of ubuntu, they mark the service releases. Feb 09 09:20:06 Tims_: so one might think that a header set fitting some ubuntu-service-fixed kernel doesn't match some downloaded-from-the-internet-kernel. and one might be right. Feb 09 09:21:22 Tims_: seriously, you got to get a grip on the information you're providing and the assumptions you are making. productive support is nearly impossible the way you do things. Feb 09 09:32:09 XorA, Hey. Sorry I missed you yesterday. Feb 09 09:34:16 persia: no problem, was just going to say Im going to be in your part of the world next week Feb 09 09:34:33 Oh, excellent. Which days? Feb 09 09:34:50 persia: landing saturday morning tokyo, leaving the next saturday afternoon Feb 09 09:35:13 We'll have to meet up then :) Feb 09 09:35:26 persia: that would be cool Feb 09 09:42:27 LetoThe2nd: sorry, i can't gave you more information as the system me gave, Feb 09 09:46:28 Tims_: i repeat. you assumed a fitting kernel - which isn't there. you didn't mention - you actually installed a new kernel. neither did you name the source of it, if you have built it yourself, the version... nothing. have to ask again and again and again to get the information out of you (or thin air, not much of a difference) and clearing up what you think about your system and is just not true is sooo timeconsuming and irksome that t Feb 09 09:47:33 i think i'll give it up, now. good luck - to the supporter and the supported. you'll need it. Feb 09 09:48:26 cu Feb 09 09:52:39 Do gumstix boot the kernels in the repo cleanly? I wouldn't think one would need a special kernel. Feb 09 09:53:57 persia, alst time i saw one trying it broke on the MMC Feb 09 09:54:05 *last Feb 09 09:54:22 Ugh. That ought get fixed, if reasonably feasible. Feb 09 09:54:57 i think it cant, afaik the gumstix uses some kind of incompatible MMC driver Feb 09 09:55:09 but it might have been fixed, not sure Feb 09 09:55:14 source-incompatible or config-incompatible? Feb 09 09:55:16 mpoirier was working on it Feb 09 09:55:24 i think source Feb 09 09:55:30 but i dont know much about it Feb 09 09:55:40 That's very annoying. Oh well. Feb 09 09:55:52 talk to mpoirier if it ever got fixed Feb 09 09:56:06 Hello All. Has anyone tried Ubuntu-arm on samsung s3c6410 based board? Feb 09 09:56:13 He's not here so much anymore :( But I'll hunt him down sometime. Feb 09 09:56:34 ruckuus, i think the guys in #linaro use some samsung boards, try there Feb 09 09:56:49 ruckuus, I've not heard of anyone trying to get a kernel for that into the archive, but my knowledge isn't all-inclusive. Feb 09 09:56:50 persia, he is regulary in #linaro Feb 09 09:57:20 ogra, thank you so much. is that a channel? Feb 09 09:57:25 yes Feb 09 09:57:40 I saw working one here: http://www.arm9.net/mini6410-ubuntu.asp Feb 09 09:57:48 ogra, thank you I will try to get there Feb 09 09:58:09 ruckuus, Unless you know the folk who made an image, I'm not sure I'd trust it entirely. Feb 09 09:58:39 persia, well me too. I download the images and will try it soon Feb 09 09:59:13 ruckuus, OK. Be aware that we'll be dropping support for 9.10 in a couple months. Feb 09 10:00:00 Is it "that simple" as mentioned in Ubuntu RootStock to create Ubuntu rootfs image? Feb 09 10:00:28 ruckuus, You could do that, and the result is something you can probably trust a bit more. Feb 09 10:00:30 I have everything from the BSP but still fuzzy on how to put the specified kernel Feb 09 10:00:37 You will need to stuff in your own kernel, etc. Feb 09 10:00:52 persia, sounds optimistic. Thank you Feb 09 10:01:14 I have created rootfs with Poky (PokyLinux) and it works well Feb 09 10:01:38 I am interested to put Ubuntu on top of the board, will be easier to develop i guess Feb 09 10:01:39 ruckuus, I don't know anything about your board, but you'll want to make sure it supports at least ARMv7a: if it does, you should be fine. If not, I'll recommend Debian. Feb 09 10:02:18 persia, my board is OK6410 http://www.arm9board.net/sel/prddetail.aspx?id=348&pid=200 Feb 09 10:02:57 I guess that would be simple to put Ubuntu on top of that, but my current issue is how to use my own kernel Feb 09 10:03:30 Based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11 , that looks like it's not a good fit for Ubuntu. Feb 09 10:04:04 persia, thank you for the link, I will check it Feb 09 10:04:34 You'll likely have a much better experience running Debian, as you'll be able to run current software, upgrade, etc. Feb 09 10:04:46 persia, could you please point me out why you come to that conclusion? TIA Feb 09 10:05:04 persia, I guess so. I am using Debian now Feb 09 10:05:44 Wikipedia says that the Samsung S3C64x0 series of processors is ARM11, and indicates these support the ARMv6 instruction set. Feb 09 10:06:28 Ubuntu, since Lucid (10.04) requires that hardware support the ARMv7a instruction set, which means that you won't be able to run any of the recent releases. Feb 09 10:06:30 persia, ... for media support (only) ? no? Feb 09 10:06:55 It's about the compiler defaults: if you don't have support for the instruction set, the software won't run. Feb 09 10:08:27 persia, I see. meaning to say if I want to put Ubuntu, I will need to build everything from scratch using supported compiler that comes with BSP Feb 09 10:08:45 imagine i386 vs i686 ... optimized i686 code wont run on i386 because the i386 CPU doesnt know some instructions the i686 one uses Feb 09 10:08:57 And you have no promises the results will work, as the source has often been modified to expect more recent processors. Feb 09 10:09:18 ogra, persia, I get it Feb 09 10:40:29 hello, it is confirmed that my board only support ARMv6 instruction set. Said on the website it can only run Ubuntu up to 9.10 Feb 09 10:47:38 ruckuus: install Debian then Feb 09 10:48:19 hrw, I will. Currently I am using Debian packages from scratchbox Feb 09 10:48:49 Is there a link for me to study how to achieve it? Feb 09 10:48:52 ruckuus: use Debian directly. my brain shutdowns when I hear scratchbox word Feb 09 10:49:31 ruckuus: use rootstock/multistrap to generate armel image of debian and boot it with your kernel Feb 09 10:49:54 hrw, whew seems scratchbox is too traumatic for you :\ Feb 09 10:50:08 ruckuus: long story Feb 09 10:50:10 hrw, i see. Thank you Feb 09 10:51:15 hrw, I almost died with scratchbox, then switch to Poky, but still PITA when adding new package, and just today I saw posting that Ubuntu can run on ARM Feb 09 10:51:31 very helpful, hopefully Feb 09 11:10:11 In terms of the development experience, Debian and Ubuntu are nearly identical. Feb 09 11:10:41 The differences tend to be small patches for individual packages, based on differing philosophies about how the distribution is delivered. Feb 09 11:11:30 But the key is to run Debian as Debian, rather than trying to cross-compile Debian on scratchbox or something. Feb 09 11:42:25 Hi Feb 09 11:43:37 I bought the iGEP v2 hardware board with WIfi+ Bluetooth Feb 09 11:44:04 Can somebody say how good the Ubuntu netbook port for ARM is? Feb 09 11:45:09 For example does all the hardware components works on the igep v2 Feb 09 11:47:23 iirc it works with 10.10 or 11.04 Feb 09 11:52:06 Yes, I believe it will work. But does all the hardware components work OK with the 10.10? Like: Wifi, Bluetooth, i2c, USB, etc.? Feb 09 11:54:27 weee, borked internet today :-( Feb 09 12:03:23 bug 708661, bug 708659, bug 708658 Feb 09 12:03:27 Launchpad bug 708661 in libqtgconf "[MIR] please include libqtgconf in natty main" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708661 Feb 09 12:03:28 Launchpad bug 708659 in libqtbamf "[MIR] please include libqtbamf in natty main" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708659 Feb 09 12:03:29 Launchpad bug 708658 in libqtdee "[MIR] please include libqtdee in natty main" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708658 Feb 09 12:06:44 hrw: I can't find the ARM 11.04 version only 10.10: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/ Feb 09 12:07:23 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/ Feb 09 12:07:26 foudn it :D Feb 09 12:19:29 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/11.04/ has the alpha2 image from last week Feb 09 12:47:24 NCommander: ogra: unity-2d seems to be working with latest qt Feb 09 12:47:35 yay Feb 09 12:47:50 the only thing to fix is that I'm not seeing the places icon that is used to fire up new applications Feb 09 12:48:08 do yu see it elsewhere ? Feb 09 12:48:17 i think the places implementation isnt ready yet Feb 09 12:48:30 well, at least it was working at my maverick machine Feb 09 12:48:35 (the unity one, not the 2d one) Feb 09 12:48:36 that icon with scissors Feb 09 12:48:48 yeah, it was redone in natty Feb 09 12:48:49 oh, ok Feb 09 12:49:02 we need to compare to x86 now i guess Feb 09 12:49:10 yup Feb 09 12:49:16 indicators and places were rewritten Feb 09 12:49:32 and the desktop switched to dconf Feb 09 12:49:45 thats the three bits still to be done in natty for unity-2d Feb 09 12:49:46 you mean, for unity-2d? Feb 09 12:49:55 everything switched to dfconf Feb 09 12:49:59 *dconf Feb 09 12:50:04 gconf is out Feb 09 12:50:15 yeah, true Feb 09 12:50:35 (though might be that dconf is just a different frontend, i didnt really look into that, upstream will care) Feb 09 12:50:35 ogra: why should I use the alfa 2 over the "daily build" of Ubuntu netbook 11.04? Why is it better? And I checked the datum, but the daily build is from 9 feb and alfa 2 is from 2 feb. Feb 09 12:50:41 3 feb* Feb 09 12:51:06 danger89, alphas usually get a week of archive freeze and QA Feb 09 12:51:22 dailies can be broken in various way and are usually not regulary tested Feb 09 12:51:27 *ways Feb 09 12:52:15 So alfa 2 is the latest version of 11.04 and it is stable? Feb 09 12:52:52 it was tested for the install to work at least Feb 09 12:53:02 ^^ Feb 09 12:53:04 dailies only get tested occasionally Feb 09 12:53:24 ok thx Feb 09 13:02:38 ogra: If you got the igep v2 board. What would you choose for OS version (10.10 vs 11.04 or.. something completly else)? Feb 09 13:03:14 no idea, i have no igep2 :) Feb 09 13:03:42 but the later the better i would say, since its more likely the kernel works better with that HW Feb 09 13:03:47 http://labs.igep.es/index.php/Main_Page Feb 09 13:03:51 and now :P ahah Feb 09 13:04:06 ogra: I se Feb 09 13:04:09 see* Feb 09 13:12:52 thx Feb 09 13:38:58 rsalveti: yay Feb 09 15:47:26 did you read about the OMAP5? Sounds like something cool. Feb 09 15:58:51 yes, the OMAP 5 sounds quite nice, will be a while before it's shipping in volume though Feb 09 16:03:10 yes, about 18 months, they say. Maybe just in time for 12.04? :) Feb 09 16:03:41 oh... I miscalculated that one... *tralala* Feb 09 17:22:14 Has anyone seen a real, physical Armada XP development board? Feb 09 17:22:53 Marvell announced a chip back in Nov, and theoretically a 'development platform' .. but so far I haven't met or seen any evidence of one... Feb 09 17:25:09 i dont think there were any dev boards, they went dirctly to OEMs Feb 09 17:25:14 *directly Feb 09 17:25:28 essentially it should be close to dove Feb 09 17:25:48 ogra: In theory. So far though, the only thing I've seen are mechanical engineering samples. Feb 09 17:26:13 ogra : Which is why I'm curious to see if there is, in fact, a working board (or working chip) somewhere. Feb 09 19:13:33 janimo: I believe the x-loader update issue was supposed to be fixed with the version we're currently using Feb 09 19:13:52 janimo: when you updated your files, did you copy both x-loader and u-boot or just x-loader? Feb 09 19:14:16 rsalveti, both Feb 09 19:14:16 if this is still an issue, we should also report it Feb 09 19:14:33 if not able to fix it, then recreating the first partition would be the best solution Feb 09 19:15:19 rsalveti, well it may have been the copying to wrong location in VFAT, as I simply copied the files over (after renmaing the old ones to .bak( Feb 09 19:15:48 janimo: hm, what happens when you copy the one to .bak and overwrite it? Feb 09 19:16:23 rsalveti, I'll do some more thought out tests, I recovered form yesterday's by rewriting the whole SD card Feb 09 19:16:29 as that too showed kernel errors Feb 09 19:16:36 so it may not be an xloader bug at all Feb 09 19:16:59 hm, ok Feb 09 19:17:34 rsalveti, i think only the issue with x-loader not finding u-boot after overwriting it was supposed to be fixed Feb 09 19:18:28 fi the fat changes you will still have issues with the rom code Feb 09 19:19:28 ogra: could be Feb 09 19:19:41 need to test it more to see what exactly is the issue now Feb 09 19:19:42 ogra, the new packages are to be added to the image in livecd-rootfs? Feb 09 19:19:52 we need to seed them Feb 09 19:19:57 we have no specific seeds for the images right? Feb 09 19:20:00 (that should be a workitem) Feb 09 19:20:14 there is a seed for kernels and the like iirc Feb 09 19:21:08 we have ubuntu-netbook exclusively for armel Feb 09 19:21:32 worst case we can seed it there Feb 09 19:21:44 but that wont cover minimal installs indeed Feb 09 19:22:19 and there is also a prob with subarches, seeds dont know about them Feb 09 19:22:33 so we need to install *all* x-loader and u-boot packages Feb 09 19:25:07 platform.natty/boot might be an appropriate seed Feb 09 19:25:07 ogra, all those packages are for omap based boards now? Feb 09 19:25:28 ogra, the seed should be arm specific I guess Feb 09 19:25:30 and a hack in livecd-rootfs to remove the unwanted bootloader Feb 09 19:25:33 no Feb 09 19:25:48 the seed needs to be general but the line in the seed should be armel onl Feb 09 19:25:49 y Feb 09 19:26:12 * janimo needs to find out what line in the seed means Feb 09 19:26:43 * janimo checks ubuntu seeds Feb 09 19:26:49 so i would suggest adding u-boot and x-loader to platform.natty/boot (after talking with cjwatson) and then having a hack in livecd-rootfs to remove the unwanted ones Feb 09 19:27:12 similar to the hack that removes the unwated headers there Feb 09 19:27:26 ogra, ok Feb 09 19:27:39 the boot seed also carries grub for example Feb 09 19:29:19 Would it make sense to have a meta file and seed it? Feb 09 19:29:40 we use seeds to produce meta packages normally Feb 09 19:30:24 Oh? I was thinking like with the kernel we have linux-ti-omap Feb 09 19:30:55 i dont think the u-boot packages have the version in the package names Feb 09 19:30:58 Not that I have a clue about the voodoo needed for seeds/image creation. Feb 09 19:31:10 u-boot-linaro-omap3-beagle and u-boot-linaro-omap4-panda Feb 09 19:31:16 so we dont need a meta Feb 09 19:31:30 ok Feb 09 19:31:50 same for x-loader: x-loader-omap3-beagle and x-loader-omap4-panda Feb 09 19:32:15 we just need to seed them in the right place and remove what we dont need during rootfs build Feb 09 20:00:31 bah, and now janimo is gone Feb 09 20:00:36 bad timing Feb 09 20:01:31 He definitely needs a caching irc proxy. Feb 09 20:03:32 yes Feb 09 20:03:57 so after discussion with lool in #linaro i see that we cant seed it but need a different approach Feb 09 20:04:16 anyway, here comes my dinner and i'll call it a day Feb 09 21:30:04 vstehle: and one more time brazil is loosing for france Feb 09 22:24:20 * lool mocks rsalveti Feb 09 22:26:44 lool: nothing to say, 19 years without winning a game over france Feb 09 22:26:50 too bad Feb 09 22:27:04 And it's the country of football! Feb 09 22:27:15 yeah... yeah... yeah... hehe Feb 09 22:27:23 that's said, France wasn't really stellar at the WC Feb 09 22:27:38 not at all, but it seems it's a lot better already Feb 09 22:27:51 but it's ok, I can pretend that I don't like football when we lose, and that I love it when we win Feb 09 22:28:05 hahaha Feb 09 23:01:39 Go Packers!!! Feb 09 23:01:39 oh, different kind of football? Feb 09 23:02:37 ops :-) Feb 09 23:04:45 lol Feb 09 23:05:00 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Touchpad-launch/ hrm...dualcore :D Feb 09 23:09:52 sounds interesting **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 10 02:59:57 2011